Hey,
Im in the market for a new helmet and am considering a 3/4 with the full shield. Its what i currently wear but its an old beat up HJC "Harley Edition" one. im interested in the Aria SZ/Ram III, Shoei J-Wing or maybe the HJC AC-3 Carbon. Does anyone have these? While i want a 3/4 i still want something not too loud and with decent wind protection with the shield down. I know its not as good as a full face but im willing to make the trade off.
Tom
I wonder why so many deliberately choose less protection when buying a helmet. I wouldn't consider going back to a helmet that doesn't protect your jaw. Ever see a guy go over the bars and get his face smashed in? Teeth all over the ground? It ain't pretty.
Quote from: bill14224 on August 03, 2010, 03:06:17 PM
I wonder why so many deliberately choose less protection when buying a helmet. I wouldn't consider going back to a helmet that doesn't protect your jaw. Ever see a guy go over the bars and get his face smashed in? Teeth all over the ground? It ain't pretty.
It's a personal choice, nothing wrong with being a Gear Nazi like yourself. Me...I wear 1/2 helmets almost exclusively, statistically the majority of motorcycle accidents are rider induced, so you do control your own destiny....personally I haven't crashed in 33 years. So don't crash, watch out for the other guy and don't worry about what other people wear. :thumb:
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on August 03, 2010, 03:28:30 PM
It's a personal choice, nothing wrong with being a Gear Nazi like yourself. Me...I wear 1/2 helmets almost exclusively, statistically the majority of motorcycle accidents are rider induced, so you do control your own destiny....personally I haven't crashed in 33 years. So don't crash, watch out for the other guy and don't worry about what other people wear. :thumb:
This'd be the most sensible post I just about ever read on here.
I understand that im getting less protection. As motorcyclists we all accept a lot more risk then the average person on the road. Wearing a 3/4 increases that slightly over full but its something im ok with.
Now does anyone have a review and not an opinion :icon_razz:?
I have a Rjays open face, but as they're only available in Australia it's a bit pointless in doing a review. One thing with an open face is that you have better visibility.
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on August 03, 2010, 03:28:30 PMIt's a personal choice, nothing wrong with being a Gear Nazi like yourself. Me...I wear 1/2 helmets almost exclusively, statistically the majority of motorcycle accidents are rider induced, so you do control your own destiny....personally I haven't crashed in 33 years. So don't crash, watch out for the other guy and don't worry about what other people wear. :thumb:
Statically, most accidents happen to people who don't think that they are going to be involved in an accident.
For what it's worth, I'd take a flip face helmet over a 3/4th helmet anyday. Although it's not nearly as good as a full face, it's significantly better than a 2/3rds, with most of the convenience.
I have a 3/4 one that I got from PepBoys. Think it may be an AGV TBH I really didn't like it at all. Even though it was a small the shell was the same size as the Large helmets and I felt like a bobble head. I got neck fatigue after about an hour riding on the back of my BF cruiser. I used it on my GS500F once and the windshield seemed to push the air right into my face so it was quite uncomfortable to me. Not to mention when I hit a side wind just right it really did crank my head far to the right. Needless to say this helmet sits in the garage gathering lots of dust.
I trust my head to my shoei RF-1000, is lighter and affords much more protection. Now if I don't ride with the FF I feel naked. I went to Disney with some friend's yesterday and since it was six miles away I rode with no gear on. It was the first time in three years I felt a little scared riding. It had rained about an hour before hand so water was being thrown up into my sunglasses. For me I felt very naked and vulnerable.
After seeing my friend's helmet after plowing into an SUV at 40mph the brunt of the impact hit his chinbar to the point of it almost smashing off. If he had been wearing 3/4 he would not have been here today. He is still hurt bad but still with us.
I know we all have personal reasons for wearing what we wear but just be careful out there. All it takes is one accident for it to be all over. But, we are adults here and it is each of our own decisionns so I'm not gonna judge anybody on what they wear just, offer some personal experience and advice.
Mary
Me personally? Humm I have never ridden a Dirt bike/Street bike without full face helmet protection ergo (Full Face). As far as personal choice..I agree..it is yours and yours alone. No helmet will ever keep you from killing yourself. The rider determines the outcome of an "Accident". That being said I have seen, heard of lot's of experienced riders die, and total idiots live with and without helmets. Myself I choose the odds of over 80% of motorcycle head injuries are survivable had they been wearing a proper full face helmet!
40% of damage in a crash is done to the chin/nose area. I opt for full face.
Quote from: grahamlocklin on August 04, 2010, 07:59:01 AM
40% of damage in a crash is done to the chin/nose area. I opt for full face.
Stats please.
Quote from: Twism86 on August 04, 2010, 08:08:09 AM
Quote from: grahamlocklin on August 04, 2010, 07:59:01 AM
40% of damage in a crash is done to the chin/nose area. I opt for full face.
Stats please.
I saw a picture not too long ago that was a helmet and the sections were broken down into pieces that listed how much of the damage usually happens to that part of the helmet. I'd never have a clue how to find it though.
Mary: I've been trying to find a local AGV dealer since they don't list any on their website, I never figured pepboys would be my answer, haha. That makes me want an AGV a little bit less.
It depends what kind of riding you do. The only helmets I currently own are full face helmets but I do have an HJC flip up that I like to wear around town. Sometimes when I'm on a back street of a neighborhood I'll flip it up. I decided that for around town riding I'm just going to try to find a full face dirtbike helmet. I'll still have the chinbar, but I'll have better visibility, a lighter helmet, and won't have to deal with flipping my visor up and down every time I hit 30mph where my visor starts to make this awful whistling noise, not to mention the visor on my Arai leaves the edge of the visor right in my line of sight when I leave it up since it obviously wasn't meant to be ridden that way.
To answer your original question, I feel like most people here seem to wear full face helmets. Even though that's fine that you want a 3/4 helmet, I doubt you'll find much information about them here. Not because people don't want to share it, but just because I don't think there's much information about them on this forum.
Thanks TT! Im still decided which style i want, unfortunately there are no Arai dealers around me as thats really all i want. Maybe Shoei and HJC is low quality.
(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l400/sphsfootballstar/helmetDamage.gif)
Is that image connected with some sort of research? Such as coming from an accredited researcher/ research institution. Is there a legitimate source of statistics collected as well as a large enough sample that covers a wide range of rider demographics?
Im not a d!ck or anything, but im a skeptic when it comes to completely believing these sorts of thing unless they come from a legitimate and peer reviewed research source.
Quote from: Twism86 on August 04, 2010, 12:03:56 PM
Is that image connected with some sort of research? Such as coming from an accredited researcher/ research institution. Is there a legitimate source of statistics collected as well as a large enough sample that covers a wide range of rider demographics?
Im not a d!ck or anything, but im a skeptic when it comes to completely believing these sorts of thing unless they come from a legitimate and peer reviewed research source.
The image itself is found in Proficient Motorcycling by Hough. The research, I believe, is from the Hurt Report. It's outdated (1980s?) but the dynamics of accidents haven't changed significantly.
Quote from: Twism86 on August 04, 2010, 12:03:56 PM
Is that image connected with some sort of research? Such as coming from an accredited researcher/ research institution. Is there a legitimate source of statistics collected as well as a large enough sample that covers a wide range of rider demographics?
Im not a d!ck or anything, but im a skeptic when it comes to completely believing these sorts of thing unless they come from a legitimate and peer reviewed research source.
Not sure. I just did the google search since someone asked about the picture.
I know from personal experiences that when I've been in an accident I have hit the back of my head twice. And another member had hit his jaw region of his helmet when he went down. He's fortunate for wearing the full face, but I'm not going to debate about helmets.....not in the mood.
At least you don't have to start a separate thread asking peoples opinions of open face helmets.
Quote from: bubba zanetti on August 04, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
At least you don't have to start a separate thread asking peoples opinions of open face helmets.
LOL very true sir!
Quote from: Twism86 on August 04, 2010, 09:50:09 AM
unfortunately there are no Arai dealers around me as thats really all i want. Maybe Shoei and HJC is low quality.
To be honest I'm not sure it matters much with 3/4 helmets. I'm sure the finish is nicer, but once you hit DOT and snell safety standards all you're paying for is ventilation, weight, fancy visors, softer padding inside. Most of that you don't really have to deal with. Shoei and HJC both make very nice helmets too, I think Arai is just known for nicer helmets because they don't make as many cheap helmets as HJC does, although it's just as easy to spend $600 on an HJC if you wanted.
I spent $80 on my Vega full face, it's as comfortable as most of the Shoei's I tried on. I think a lot of price is just for brand recognition, like in most areas of retail competition.
I don't know much about Shoeis, but I know companies like Arai are small companies where something like 15 people here are making all the helmets, and they're the same exact helmets the racers are wearing. I would assume with some other cheaper helmets you're getting something that was just made in china.
Either way I think I've had my fill of nice helmets. I'll just stick to some average ones for now. Even when I find a dirtbike helmet I'm just gonna wait till I find something on sale and get the cheapest thing I can find.
I will say though, that after wearing my HJC for a while, which is comfortable enough, sliding the Arai on my head feels like I'm crawling into a warm bed with a soft pillow. It's amazing how comfortable that helmet is. Really though once you get it on and strapped down who really notices, it's not supposed to be able to move on your head anyway.
I think the comfort is worth it. I want something that is well ventilated, quiet, comfortable and still keeps the air off your face. A good helmet has no real price and is always worth the money IMO.
Quote from: ver4 on August 04, 2010, 10:29:39 AM
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This is the picture I was hunting for. I would have to agree with another user... the helmet may have changed over time but where the damage happens hasn't. I would be tempted to think that face impacts have increased as more sport bike riders are out there now. (just my though)
If memory serves me correct, that diagram was published in the Hurt Report.
The guy that wrote it (Darryl Hurt or something like that) was invited to speak for the members of a few law enforcement agencies around the country. Bunch of bike-riding LEO's are tired of mandatory open-face helmets, forced on them by their respective agencies. And that's day-after-day-after-day riding, writing tickets, speaking to people face to face, where they actually NEED them.
I think that speaks for itself.
Call me a Gear Nazi or whatever, I don't care. If you only want a one-sided opinion, don't start a thread about it on the internet. Go ask some bad@ss that hasn't had his face ground off by gravel aggregate.
It comes down to chance and statistics.
Some people think they fall outside the bell curve for whatever reason. No logic in the world can convince them otherwise, especially not my opinion or anyone else's.
What's absolutely hilarious though, in my Gear Nazi opinion: thinking that riding for 20+ years makes you less susceptible to an accident.
Again, logic is just not sexy and tough and cool. But, it's called the law of averages for a reason.
You may be throwing loaded dice, but you're not playing on a flat table.
There are cagers that WANT to hit you. And the court system LETS them.
Your eyes are in the front for a reason - you're a predator. Predators LIKE soft targets.
If you want a new car and lots of attention, are you gonna aim for a tree or a soft squishy thing that gives you the finger?
The road is a battlefield. If you're dumb enough to walk around it in your underwear, don't be surprised when loose women are the only ones that look.
Various 3/4 face helmets here but never used one cos they're too noisy for me. Me dad's worn one for 50 years with no accident, that scuppers the 'law of averages' old wives' tale then.
if youre lucky enough never to get hit, kudos to you.
i know a guy that's gotten hit 3 or 4 times and he still rides. averages does work out. all because one person never got hit doesnt mean someone else didnt take a fall for them.
like was said before though. you wear what you want because if and when sht hits the fan, youre the one sitting in the breeze.
on another note. let's all chill for a bit. haha =P
yup, that image is correct. when I had my low-side, the gravel met the FRONT of my helmet, not the top nor the back. Maybe when I get home, i'll upload my picture of the helmet. I'm keeping it as a trophy on the wall to NEVER have to experience that again.
I was gonna keep mine, but if I wanted money from the insurance company for it, I had to hand it over. I do still have my jacket though. My visor was scratched up though, which would've been my eyeballs without a helmet.
You might want to look at the Bell Mag 8. All the reviews claim its quiet and takes the air off. I've read it lacks in the ventilation a little though. I thought about picking one up before my road trip but was pretty positive I would just wear my half helmet with the mini shield.
I used to wear a full face to work but got caught in a traffic jam for over an hour in the august heat 2 years ago. Almost passed out and now only wear a full face when its cold out.
I ride in the heat here in Florida everyday. As long as you drink plenty of water you should be okay. My problems from the heat come from the jackets at red lights. But, it remedies itself quickly once I start moving because the sweat when met with the wind cools me right back down. Once in a while if traffic comes to a standstill on I-4 I make it to an overpass take off the helmet drink water that I have stored in my tank pack and let the traffic ease up. Or I will take the next exit and take the side roads.
I'm a firm believer that if it is too hot for me to wear my gear then it is too hot for me to ride. Hotest I've ridden in is 102 with 98% humidity what a miserable day. Riding down I-4 felt like a heater in a car. AWFUL!
Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on August 13, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
Or I will take the next exit and take the side roads.
I'm a firm believer that if it is too hot for me to wear my gear then it is too hot for me to ride. Hotest I've ridden in is 102 with 98% humidity what a miserable day. Riding down I-4 felt like a heater in a car. AWFUL!
Mary
+1 on the side roads.
Hottest I've ridden in was 113. I drank Heaps of water. At one stop I emptied some water onto my undershirt (the shirt I was wearing under my jacket) until I was soaked. When I rode off it was quite cooling. Totally dry though within 15 minutes.
Funny thing with bikes. Riding through the air is generally Cooling. But at a certain temperature, it stops being cooling and starts being heating. The faster you go the hotter you feel as you ride through ever more hot air. The effect is like sitting in front of a heater on a warm day. I think the temp this kicks in is somewhere around 95.
As riders we lose a Lot of water through evaporation through our skin. We Need to drink plenty.
Michael
+1 on wetting the undershirt. My hottest was 105. At that temperature, the key was to wet the undershirt, and close most of the vents on the jacket. You want just enough airflow to slowly evaporate the water - if you leave everything open, you'll be cool for about 15 minutes, and then you'll dry out and start to heat up. Using this method, I could ride for about an hour before I had to re-wet myself.
alright, so here are some photos of my helmet that i said i was gonna post. yeah, my face wouldve been gone if i was wearing anything other than a full face. PS: I HATE GRAVELLLLLLL
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At least the helmet did what it was designed to do!
In other news my friend who had an accident on May 1st finally came out of his coma last week :woohoo: If he hadn't had a full-face on he would not be here!
Mary
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on August 03, 2010, 03:28:30 PMMe...I wear 1/2 helmets almost exclusively, statistically the majority of motorcycle accidents are rider induced, so you do control your own destiny....
Not in those instances where it's the other drivers fault....
Quotepersonally I haven't crashed in 33 years.
I hadn't crashed in 29 years until an impatient cager turned left and clipped me. Up and over I went, still have the full face helmet with all the scratches as a memento.
QuoteSo don't crash,
Incredibly stupid statement.
Quotewatch out for the other guy and don't worry about what other people wear. :thumb:
You can watch out all you want but you can't account for all stupid actions by others. Wear/don't wear what you want. I have a wife and kids I love and want to come home to. I know I take chances just getting on a bike, especially here in south Florida. So I do everything I can to lesson the chance of injury when it happens.
so yes twims86, lol there are no reviews from us about any 3/4 helmets as none of us promote using it, as we've shared many of the experiences that can happen to people and what a major benefits the full face helmets do. If you really persist on it, go to a motorcycle shop and see which one is most comfortable to your head and is approved by DOT/Snell (i doubt snell does 1/2 helmets but maybe they do, I have no idea), that's all I can recommend.
Edit: Asym caught one of my errors.... :thumb:
Quote from: thecdn on August 16, 2010, 10:55:15 AMYou can watch out all you want but you can't account for all stupid actions by others. Wear/don't wear what you want. I have a wife and kids I love and want to come home to. I know I take chances just getting on a bike, especially here in south Florida. So I do everything I can to lesson the chance of injury when it happens.
I can only speak from personal experience, but in my 42 years of riding M/C's
100% of my accidents where cause
by myself to myself. I do all I can to control my own destiny and so far I have been the master of it. Yes any assclown can turn left in front of me and take me out, but so far watching out for the other guy has worked for me. Ride your own ride :cheers:
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on August 16, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
I can only speak from personal experience, but in my 42 years of riding M/C's 100% of my accidents where cause by myself to myself. I do all I can to control my own destiny and so far I have been the master of it. Yes any assclown can turn left in front of me and take me out, but so far watching out for the other guy has worked for me. Ride your own ride :cheers:
Stevo has nailed it, there is only one person responsible for your safety when you ride and that's yourself.
Quote from: bubba zanetti on August 16, 2010, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on August 16, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
I can only speak from personal experience, but in my 42 years of riding M/C's 100% of my accidents where cause by myself to myself. I do all I can to control my own destiny and so far I have been the master of it. Yes any assclown can turn left in front of me and take me out, but so far watching out for the other guy has worked for me. Ride your own ride :cheers:
Stevo has nailed it, there is only one person responsible for your safety when you ride and that's yourself.
Really? So I was responsible when I was riding on a straight level road through a green light when the woman pulled out too soon and clipped me? That's funny, that's not how the witnesses saw it, or the police. I take all available precautions and am very aware of my surroundings and other drivers but I can't anticipate every action of others.
Apparently you guys are clairvoyant and know the thoughts of all drivers around you. I wish I had that power. Instead, I wear proper gear so I will be less affected if someone else screws up. I also don't claim to be perfect and be such a great motorcyclist that I will never have a lapse and have an accident of my own fault. I am awed to be in the presence of such greatness.
I agree for the most part as well. Ride a bicycle around city traffic for 2 years and you'll eventually learn that "loud pipes save lives" is really just a way of saying "I'm too lazy to pay attention and would much rather just scream everywhere I go. I could ride on a perfectly silent motorcycle and still probably feel safer than your average guy on a Harley with straight pipes who expects people to hear him. There's not one car I pass on the road that I expect to give me the right of way and there's not one single intersection or cross street that I pass without expecting someone to pull out in front of me. It's definitely a learned skill because I can be in a car with other people and point to a car 15 feet up and say "watch out for this guy, he's about to do something stupid", and every time they do.
As much as I'd like to say it I came withing centimeters twice today of implementing my gear and neither one could I really have anticipated.
The first instance I was the third vehicle going through my green light when an SUV decides to bang a U turn on a red. All of a sudden he nails the gas and swings around I hit the brakes hard and I fishtailed it scared me quite a bit. The driver was completely oblivious to me being there. Is that legal anywhere?
The second instance I was sitting at the red light kinda had my guard down because I was 95% sure there was a car behind me but I guess it turned off all of a sudden I see nothing but car in my left peripheral vision(I was in the right track) a lincoln town car decided to use my part of the lane to again initiate a U-turn she was so close I almost dropped the bike because it startled me. I still don't know why she had to come into my lane to do that maneuver but man did it scare me.
I guess what I'm trying to say no matter how good you are you can't anticipate everything the other driver is going to do. If we could there would be no Motor vehicle collisions. It is also our choice as to how much if any gear to wear. In the end we have to pay those consequences with our bodies and ultimately our life.
Mary
Quote from: thecdn on August 16, 2010, 07:46:46 PM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on August 16, 2010, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on August 16, 2010, 04:08:22 PM
I can only speak from personal experience, but in my 42 years of riding M/C's 100% of my accidents where cause by myself to myself. I do all I can to control my own destiny and so far I have been the master of it. Yes any assclown can turn left in front of me and take me out, but so far watching out for the other guy has worked for me. Ride your own ride :cheers:
Stevo has nailed it, there is only one person responsible for your safety when you ride and that's yourself.
Really? So I was responsible when I was riding on a straight level road through a green light when the woman pulled out too soon and clipped me? That's funny, that's not how the witnesses saw it, or the police. I take all available precautions and am very aware of my surroundings and other drivers but I can't anticipate every action of others.
Apparently you guys are clairvoyant and know the thoughts of all drivers around you. I wish I had that power. Instead, I wear proper gear so I will be less affected if someone else screws up. I also don't claim to be perfect and be such a great motorcyclist that I will never have a lapse and have an accident of my own fault. I am awed to be in the presence of such greatness.
Dude...sorry you got taken out, it may happen to me in the morning going to work? All I am saying is 25 bikes and 42 years later I have done more harm to myself on a bike than anybody has done to me. So when I say "Don't Crash" that mindset has actually worked for me....regardless of what ever the f%$k helmet I chose to wear or not wear :flipoff:
Quote from: thecdn on August 16, 2010, 07:46:46 PM
Apparently you guys are clairvoyant and know the thoughts of all drivers around you. I wish I had that power. Instead, I wear proper gear so I will be less affected if someone else screws up. I also don't claim to be perfect and be such a great motorcyclist that I will never have a lapse and have an accident of my own fault. I am awed to be in the presence of such greatness.
Maybe if you stay out of trouble and are kind to your mother you may one day obtain greatness. Until that day you have may stay awestruck of us that have achieved greatness and walk in our shadow.
Quote from: thecdn on August 16, 2010, 07:46:46 PM
Apparently you guys are clairvoyant and know the thoughts of all drivers around you. I wish I had that power. ... I am awed to be in the presence of such greatness.
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Quote from: Anaconda on August 16, 2010, 12:44:09 PM
so yes twims86, lol there are no reviews from us about any 1/2 helmets as none of us promote using it, as we've shared many of the experiences that can happen to people and what a major benefits the full face helmets do. If you really persist on it, go to a motorcycle shop and see which one is most comfortable to your head and is approved by DOT/Snell (i doubt snell does 1/2 helmets but maybe they do, I have no idea), that's all I can recommend.
I thought the title said 3/4 reviews not 1/2. I could give a 1/2 helmet review and I would promote using one, at least your wearing one. I've had close calls from wearing a full helmet. Its harder to hear or give warnings when riding with others. Its as bad as a cager telling you motorcycles are dangerous and you should ride in a cage.
I can hear just fine in my Shoei-RF 1000. Actually when riding it is better because I don't get the buffeting sound that I got from my 3/4 helmet.
Vision is just as good in a Full Face as well.
Sorry don't buy those myths! Full-Face is proven to be the safer helmet.
Mary
The hearing in a full helmet doesn't much matter if your wearing earplugs. I can still hear if someone is yelling beside me though. :) When riding with others, we have hand and feet signals worked out. No need to hear.
I never claimed a full face wasn't safer. I have had problems with full face helmets and prefer a half. I also have the option of not wearing a helmet at all in my state. A 1/2 or 3/4 helmet is much safer than the full helmet I won't wear.
From what I understand from some of your posts, riding a motorcycle is dangerous.
Yeah, if you actually ride it.
QuoteI never claimed a full face wasn't safer. I have had problems with full face helmets and prefer a half. I also have the option of not wearing a helmet at all in my state. A 1/2 or 3/4 helmet is much safer than the full helmet I won't wear.
If it is a half helmet only 38.6% is not really much safer IMHO! If you add up the % in the Hurt report diagram.
Like I said it is your head but make sure you have health insurance because I don't want my taxpayer dollars paying for your choice.
Mary
QuoteVision is just as good in a Full Face as well.
Wrong, depends on helmet,visor,size and field of view.
Quotemake sure you have health insurance because I don't want my taxpayer dollars paying for your choice.
Hope you wearing neckbrace and gumshield then. Spinal and dental treatment is sooo expensive to us taxpayers too.
Quote from: bubba zanetti on August 18, 2010, 11:32:42 PM
From what I understand from some of your posts, riding a motorcycle is dangerous.
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Quote from: Homer on August 19, 2010, 12:36:56 AM
Yeah, if you actually ride it.
So to be truly safe I have to stop riding, interesting concept. Think I'll keep living life on the razors edge.
True Purple but I actually carry full coverage insurance! So, no it is not the Taxpayers who pay for my injuries. I do wear a visor as well and the chin bar protects my teeth.
Mary
To get back on topic...I wear a 3/4 every now and then. It's a character thing...it's gotten to where I cannot ride without my glasses. When I could ride sans the specs I loved to don the 1945 flak jacket and combat pants and top it off with the 3/4 and old-school goggles. It all went together, though.
People riding around on GS500F's...or any relatively sporty bike, really...look like retards.
Quote from: tt_four on August 16, 2010, 08:07:43 PM
I agree for the most part as well. Ride a bicycle around city traffic for 2 years and you'll eventually learn that "loud pipes save lives" is really just a way of saying "I'm too lazy to pay attention and would much rather just scream everywhere I go. I could ride on a perfectly silent motorcycle and still probably feel safer than your average guy on a Harley with straight pipes who expects people to hear him. There's not one car I pass on the road that I expect to give me the right of way and there's not one single intersection or cross street that I pass without expecting someone to pull out in front of me. It's definitely a learned skill because I can be in a car with other people and point to a car 15 feet up and say "watch out for this guy, he's about to do something stupid", and every time they do.
I have never heard on this site something more true. "Loud Pipes" is such an idiotic misnomer! As a "cager" I don't hear them until they pass! So what's the point? You as a rider need to be diligent about where you are and what you are doing. If you depend on the noise of your exhaust pipe, in my opinion you are an idiot!, ride smart and expect the unexpected.
So as a non-harley or something like that I totally disagree with "Loud" pipes. They make non-riders hate us. I think it is obtrusive, moronic, irresponsible, egotistical (Look at me), and just down right socially unacceptable. When I go on a ride I don't bother the whole neighborhood, I don't wake up people! (Harley Davidson stopped selling striaght pipes)
Freedom is something that I hold dear. Don't bother me and I won't bother you! MY GOD where has this country gone!
Quote from: JB848 on August 19, 2010, 11:57:53 PM
I totally disagree with "Loud" pipes. They make non-riders hate us.
They even make riders hate other riders. I used to sit right next to the window at work, and all I heard all day were ruff ryders revving their gsxrs and guys on harleys doing the same. It's an F'n red light, let the stupid bike idle! It definitely makes me start to hate motorcycles when I'm having a bad day.
Quote from: JB848 on August 19, 2010, 11:57:53 PM
Freedom is something that I hold dear. Don't bother me and I won't bother you! MY GOD where has this country gone!
People assume that their freedom to do whatever they want means they're obligated to annoy the hell out of everyone around them whenever they feel like it. I stopped at bike night on my way home last night and it's amazing how obnoxious people are. When I see guys revving their choppers after they start them, it never makes me think "ooh listen to that thing", it's just makes them look like their bikes run so poorly that it'll die if they don't rev it non-stop. They're just full grown 13 year olds. Am I made to believe that these $20k choppers don't come with fuel injection with an automatic idle??
No one can deny how good a big V-twin with strait pipes sounds. I mean if you a gear/motor head (as i classify all bikers) and you say you dont like the roar of a big engine with strait pipes your a liar :icon_razz:
I wear glasses and having a 3/4 is easier to take off w/o removing the glasses.
Twism, I have that same hassle with my glasses. My normal helmet is just a solid full face and I have to take them off every time, but my 'around town' helmet is a full face flip-up helmet, so it gives me the convenience of putting on the helmet without taking them off. It's much nicer, although the helmet itself isn't as nice.
I don't mind the sound of a v-twin, I hate how obnoxious people with them are. I always thought I hated the sound, but then I realized that it was only because I associated it with Harleys, and that made me hate it. Ever since I got into Buells I realize I don't mind the noise at all, it's just how it's used. I've actually got a new exhaust coming for my bike so it'll be a bit louder and be capable of making the same noise as those choppers, but I'll quietly ride down my street when I'm leaving my house, keep the rpms low in town and around crowded areas, I'll let the bike idle normally at redlights, I'll pull away from redlights and stop signs without blipping my throttle 3 times, and the only time I'll really make some noise is when I'm on back roads working on some corners, just like I do with the V&H on the GS. It's just the people who sit there and rev their engine non stop because they love hearing themselves at the expense of everyone else around them.
Agreed. Sounds great when your accelerating but no need to be a "donkey" while sitting at lights. Same as the jerk who keeps the music blasting in his car.
When I'm on an open road cruising in 5th gear I love going WOT just to hear the noise coming out of the exhaust but I keep it under control when there's people around.
I actually just got an email a few seconds ago from the guy who makes the Buell exhausts saying mine is done. gotta go call him!