i was recently working on a friends carb and saw this little jet thing was bent. deciding i could simply straighten it out, i tried bending it back with some pliers and ended up snapping it off.
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i figure it will have to be drilled out and re-tapped, but i don't know what the name of the part is or any specs on it. anyone else have this happen? i was planning on taking it to a machine shop to have them drill it out and re-tap the hole, but idk what size to tell them to make it.
i've looked at the diagram on bike bandit, but this piece just isnt there from what i see. its a little brass jet that sits inside of the float mount. any input would be appreciated.
I can barely see it since im on my phone, but is it the idle jet pick-up tube?
that might be, but i cant find any info on the idle jet pickup tube with the quick search i just did. ill look around some more when i wake up tomorrow
no its not the idle jet pick up, its the part that the float tube slides over. dont know the real name. ill see if i can find it. im guessing you broke one?
Quote from: GoldFish on September 23, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
i tried bending it back with some pliers and ended up snapping it off.
Quote from: GoldFish on September 23, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
i was recently working on a friends carb .... i tried bending it back with some pliers and ended up snapping it off... i don't know what the name of the part is
any input would be appreciated.
Don't work on friend's carbs any more. Take it to a shop and let them fix it - you pay the bill. Who knows what other damage you will do if you try more DIY on your friend's carbs.
Let your friend use your bike until the carbs come back from the shop. PLUS... buy your friend a carton of beer as additional punishment for screwing up his carbs.
Michael
Quote from: gregvhen on September 23, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
no its not the idle jet pick up, its the part that the float tube slides over. dont know the real name. ill see if i can find it. im guessing you broke one?
thats exactly what it is.
Quote from: mister on September 24, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
Don't work on friend's carbs any more. Take it to a shop and let them fix it - you pay the bill. Who knows what other damage you will do if you try more DIY on your friend's carbs.
Let your friend use your bike until the carbs come back from the shop. PLUS... buy your friend a carton of beer as additional punishment for screwing up his carbs.
Michael
he has been using my bike for a week or so because of it
wasnt really
working on it, just helping him clean it and saw that the jet was bent. needless to say i learned my lesson. going to be taking it to a shop for now on.
the thing is, no shop will look at it. i've called the few bike places around and they wont look at it. every place says go to a machine ehop and the machine shops say they don't know what to replace the jet with. i would hate to have it drilled out too big and ruin the carb
>:( . if i remember correctly, those things are soldered or brazed in place. don't think your going to be able to fix that...easily anyway. maybe if there's enough tube sticking out you could try getting a small brass tube and solder it in place. the hole size will be a pain to reproduce though.
im not positive but i think that's where the choke picks up fuel, so it's pretty important.
i think you need to start looking for new carbs
i don't thing they are soldered or brazed in place. when i cleaned the carb on my bike (a '92 rejetted) they both screwed right out nice and easy. my buddy's bike is a '93 (fully stock) and i didn't think they would be different, but they could be.
ill ask around and see if anyone i know has the skills to try and soldered the tube back on, but i would rather replace it with a new piece if possible.
Quote from: mister on September 24, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
Quote from: GoldFish on September 23, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
i was recently working on a friends carb .... i tried bending it back with some pliers and ended up snapping it off... i don't know what the name of the part is
any input would be appreciated.
Don't work on friend's carbs any more. Take it to a shop and let them fix it - you pay the bill. Who knows what other damage you will do if you try more DIY on your friend's carbs.
Let your friend use your bike until the carbs come back from the shop. PLUS... buy your friend a carton of beer as additional punishment for screwing up his carbs.
Michael
That's a pretty lousy attitude about wrenching, man. We've all banged up something or the other, doesn't mean you shouldn't keep learning. Good way to learn not to do it again, anyhow!
Peace
Syzygy
Quote from: GoldFish on September 24, 2010, 04:03:37 AM
Quote from: gregvhen on September 23, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
no its not the idle jet pick up, its the part that the float tube slides over. dont know the real name. ill see if i can find it. im guessing you broke one?
thats exactly what it is.
Quote from: mister on September 24, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
Don't work on friend's carbs any more. Take it to a shop and let them fix it - you pay the bill. Who knows what other damage you will do if you try more DIY on your friend's carbs.
Let your friend use your bike until the carbs come back from the shop. PLUS... buy your friend a carton of beer as additional punishment for screwing up his carbs.
Michael
he has been using my bike for a week or so because of it
wasnt really working on it, just helping him clean it and saw that the jet was bent. needless to say i learned my lesson. going to be taking it to a shop for now on.
the thing is, no shop will look at it. i've called the few bike places around and they wont look at it. every place says go to a machine ehop and the machine shops say they don't know what to replace the jet with. i would hate to have it drilled out too big and ruin the carb
yea, sorry, i meant its not the pilot pickup, i was typing idle, but thinking pilot.
Quote from: Syzygy on September 24, 2010, 06:19:22 AM
Quote from: mister on September 24, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
Quote from: GoldFish on September 23, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
i was recently working on a friends carb .... i tried bending it back with some pliers and ended up snapping it off... i don't know what the name of the part is
any input would be appreciated.
Don't work on friend's carbs any more. Take it to a shop and let them fix it - you pay the bill. Who knows what other damage you will do if you try more DIY on your friend's carbs.
Let your friend use your bike until the carbs come back from the shop. PLUS... buy your friend a carton of beer as additional punishment for screwing up his carbs.
Michael
That's a pretty lousy attitude about wrenching, man. We've all banged up something or the other, doesn't mean you shouldn't keep learning. Good way to learn not to do it again, anyhow!
Peace
Syzygy
Wrenching and masking mistakes on Your Own Bike is one thing.... to learn by making mistakes on someone else's bike is another.
Someone else's property is not yours to practice on and damage without it being fixed Correctly (professionally).
Michael
Just throwing this out there - i have a set of Mikuni BS36SS carbs from a GR650 you could probably have if they fit. Operative word being "if".
I dont know how well they would swap, but if you need them, let me know.
Hey guys, this is my carb that we're discussing here. I don't mind that he made a mistake at all since he was just trying to help and I have been riding his bike for 2 weeks. I think the best bet would be to look for another carb... if anyone finds one, please let me know! I need to get this bike up and running since both my friend and I have really unrealiable cars and his bike is the only form of transportation for both of us right now lol.
Anyone know if the GR650 carb would fit?
found some specs on the gr650 carb here http://home.planet.nl/~besse407/GR650/parts-carb.htm (linking other forums is prob frowned upon :icon_rolleyes:)
performance wise does it compare with the Mikuni BSR34 from the gs?
correct me if i'm wrong but, as far as fitting it on the bike, the only thing that might need to me modified would probably be the boots where it goes into the head
Not sure where you are located but I found these on ebay if you are desperate to get the bike going soonish -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-1988-02-Suzuki-GS500F-GS-500-Carbs-Intake-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53e3c4fc1fQQitemZ360303623199QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-SUZUKI-GS500-GS-500-CARBURETORS-CARBS-CARB-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53d9e6c206QQitemZ360138064390QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-Suzuki-GS500E-GS500-carburetors-carbs-carb-104874-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4cf1916e3eQQitemZ330470354494QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
A Spiral Easy Out might get whats left of the tube out?
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Quote from: Big Rich on September 24, 2010, 11:40:50 AM
Just throwing this out there - i have a set of Mikuni BS36SS carbs from a GR650 you could probably have if they fit. Operative word being "if".
I dont know how well they would swap, but if you need them, let me know.
I would say your best bet is to get these carbs^ from Big Rich here and find some rubber adapter to fit it to the boots correctly. thatd be fairly easy. either that or theres always a set straight off a GS on ebay
While i have no problem getting rid of them, there's a reason they are sitting on a shelf - the choke on the the left carb is detached from the rail. Meaning the cable will work the right carb but not the left.
I wasnt thinking about the actual size either. That 2mm difference would probably be a nightmare to tune unless you go nuts with the motor (intake & exhaust, cams, port & polish, etc). Personally, i would look for some Mikuni VM30's - no diaphram to rip, easy as heck to tune, but they would be set up differently.
Not trying to discourage you, just dont want you guys to get your hopes up.
i forgot all about using an easy out. gonna go soak it in crc for a little bit than give it a try.
the ebay links a re pretty good, mighty try to get a set off of there. i'll have to talk to nhan and see what he wants to do. thanks for all the help
thanks a lot for all your help guys. this forum is one of the most helpful I've come across! we'll let you know how it goes.
Quote from: GoldFish on September 25, 2010, 11:00:17 AM
i forgot all about using an easy out. gonna go soak it in crc for a little bit than give it a try.
the ebay links a re pretty good, mighty try to get a set off of there. i'll have to talk to nhan and see what he wants to do. thanks for all the help
If the tube starts spinning in the carb body, clamp some Vice-Grips on the Easy out and pull like a MoFo as it spins, you don't want the Easy-Out to E-X-P-A-N-D whats left of the tube into the carb body :nono:
Good Luck! :cheers:
It was nice here in Seattle so I rode to Alki beach and enjoyed the sun while reading the Haynes book (because I am learning how to do things, too. But read a motorcycle book laying in the sun at the beach?). The back section has all kinds of tips to remove stuck things. Heat gun to expand the part. For a tube, it says to insert a round anything of about the same size (like a phillips screw driver) then clamp on to twist & pull. Inserting a screwdriver or something of the same inside size prevents you from crushing the part. that was a HINT in the Ref-17 part in the back of the book.
Which carb is it? If it's the right one, I have a carb body from some parts carbs I picked up that could be had real cheap. The left one is buggered up to where I wouldn't want to try to fix it.
tried to pull out the tube using the screwdriver method and it wouldn't move at all, was afraid of cracking the carb body by expanding it with the ez out.
ended up picking up an '02 carb off of ebay. prolly gonna play with play around with the old one and use it as a spare.