am i getting in too deep? will this work? i need to know before i purchase anything else
Just do it. There are several being parted out over on the gixxer forums, I'll snoop around and see what I can come up with.
Will this work? Well pretty much anything can work, but it's a matter of how much work you are ready to put into it... Something a swap can be easy, and sometime you have to work to make it work... Never heard of a 98 GSXR swingarm swap. So maybe it will fit with only spacer, but maybe not. If not, then maybe you will have to cut the frame, welde and so on.
There's a guy with a '97 750, says he'll take 50 for the swingarm. I'd give you a link but classifieds are no good unless you are a premium member. He is located in manchester, CT. Would you like contact info?
im already bidding on one on ebay, and buying forks on friday or saturday, im not worried about that, what im worried about is it costing alot more than an 18 year old can handle, im a full time student, and work 25-30 hours a week at minimum wage, my car eats up gas, and i have medical bills, so i dont wanna buy this stuff then be totally screwed if it costs alot, cause i eventually wanna save up and buy a an earlier model gsxr
I feel ya, I just turned 19 myself. No studentry, just scrambling around for work to pay rent. I don't have to worry about a car though, insurance on my '90 model civic shot up to 300 a month so I only have two wheels left.
you know its going to start getting cold and maybe snowing, depending where you live that is... haha
why would you bid on anything if you havnt researched about it?? If your that concerned about it costing too much,just swap a 4.5" gsxr,katana,bandit rear rim and a 160 tire on there..
It seems if you want a GSXR, then save up for a GSXR. You're not going to turn a GS500 into a GSXR. It will be somewhere in between, cost a lot of time and money and it will ride neither like a GS500 nor a GSXR. You have so much going on that you may be getting in over your head and end up with nothing to ride for quite some time. If you had 2 bikes - then by all means use one for daily use and the other to experiment on.
Do some less expensive things and give yourself one really hot GS500. I've had guys with liter (litre if your non-US) bikes go ga-ga over my GS500. I've met lots of people with GSXR's and other bikes who all have fond memories of their GS500 and many wish they kept them.
Do the exhaust, air filter and jetting. Then do some cosmetics. Add sliders, engine bars, change the lights, add a belly pan. Go to the wall of fame and look at the before and after pictures of Junior. (I'm loaded with left over parts except for engine parts) Runs really fantastic now. Fortunately, he was a Canadian so the jetting was different than in the US so the new exhaust and air filter really made him have more power without needing to rejet. My dealer tuned him up and said Junior is one of the finest GS500's they've ever seen. (And Junior is a '92.)
Anyway, that's just my humble opinion.
Quote from: adidasguy on November 08, 2010, 06:00:28 PM
I've met lots of people with GSXR's and other bikes who all have fond memories of their GS500 and many wish they kept them.
I fall into this category :cry:
im going to save up for another bike, probably a gsxr, but for the time being i just wanted to buy front and rear end to put these wheels and tires on my gs, im not looking to spend alot, i know people who can weld and do body work, so other than a few little things i might need, i will be getting a complete front and rear end
servus,
its not so easy to take the swingarm from the GSXR in the GS.
You need 213 mm in front of the swingarm and the gsxr swingarm have 228 mm.
The Axlebolt is 25 mm and you need 17 mm.
Good luck :cheers:
Quote from: ZukiGS500E on November 09, 2010, 09:00:47 AM
im going to save up for another bike, probably a gsxr, but for the time being i just wanted to buy front and rear end to put these wheels and tires on my gs, im not looking to spend alot, i know people who can weld and do body work, so other than a few little things i might need, i will be getting a complete front and rear end
But why don't you just put a bandit 12 swingarm with a bandit 12 rim with a 180 tire? More easy and price could be cheaper :icon_question:
Do you have the normal unbraced 600 swingarm or is it the braced 750 swingarm? If it's the braced version I understand the desire, if it's the normal swingarm I would just try to sell the wheel and look for a bandit wheel instead. You'll get pretty much the same look without the massive project of shaving down the swingarm. If you know people who weld maybe you can buy some square tubing and have them weld up a brace for the GS swingarm so it looks like the gsxr swingarm. Just an idea.
I love projects, I just don't want to see you get in over your head.
Quote from: ZukiGS500E on November 09, 2010, 09:00:47 AM
im going to save up for another bike, probably a gsxr, but for the time being i just wanted to buy front and rear end to put these wheels and tires on my gs, im not looking to spend alot, i know people who can weld and do body work, so other than a few little things i might need, i will be getting a complete front and rear end
I never did the Gixxer FE swap, to me it's over kill and purely aesthetic....Once completed, your still going to have a GS, albeit a cool looking one, with a FE that can far out do the bike, and probably you abilities.
unbraced 600, if i have to ill just sell the parts i buy, im getting them very cheap, and can probably make a profit, if i see im getting in over my head, that will be my last resort, i know a welder, and i have a friend who works at a honda moto dealer, who knows a good bit os stuff about bikes, he cleaned and synced my carbs and help me with other things for my bike and my dads bikes, im doing this for a learning experience, and for personal acheivment, i will eventually buy another bike, prices will be down since winter is coming, so if i can save enough up i will have 2 nice bikes :)
I know a gsxr front end is overkill but a set of usd forks is the sweetest looking thing you can put on a bike. If I was keeping the gs long term I'd consider putting one on.
The one I was talking about is a braced 750, but it doesnt look as cool as the one on my bike. Look for one from a '94 or '95 750, they are the the badassest. And then you could do a wheel swap for a 190 rear :woohoo:
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/redhen2/img1286997774451.jpg)
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/redhen2/img1286997773961.jpg)
Also worth noting is that these superbad blue anodized forks only came in '94, so if you wanna matching f.e. . . . . .
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/redhen2/img1286997773451.jpg)
Oh man I want one of those old gsxrs someday! At some point I'll find an old beat up one for $500 and I'm gonna grab it for a long term project. Streetfighters out of slingshot gsxrs never look outdated.
I started out on a gs500 years ago, moved to a gsxr, and have now been building up a gs500 for my wife. I can understand a front end swap as there is at least a benefit in handling (though I think a $90 pair of upgraded springs is more economical), but I just cannot grasp the rear end swap to fit a 180 tire. There is zero performance gain and if anything, you've slowed the bike down by adding extra weight in exchange for the look of a fatter rear tire that nobody will notice but you. If there is a hottie beside or behind you, she's not going to know the difference between the rear tire size, but will at least appreciate that you're on a bike and not in a kia.
I dunno, I've seen some of the really cool builds of the gs on this site and can appreciate the work that was put into them, but if what you want is a supersport, just ride the gs for what it is until you can afford one. Like others have said in this thread, no matter how much money and time you put into a gs, it simply won't become a gsxr if that is what you want. Upgraded springs, exhaust, filter, jetting, clip ons, etc...actually make the gs a really fun bike. My wife doesn't have the time to ride like I do so I find myself splitting my time between the gs and gsxr almost 50/50. It's one of those things that you won't appreciate until you've moved on. I love getting on my wife's gs and throwing that thing around. Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me in trying to make it something that its not. It's a great little machine as it is and with some minor work to the stock bones, it becomes a very fun little bike that even guys on bigger bikes appreciate because they started there too. I sometimes think that beginners get a little too wrapped up in what their elders on bigger bikes might think of them riding something like a gs or ninja 250, when in reality, they see the people riding a proper beginner bike and give them way more props than some idiot n00b on a gsxr1000 acting a fool because he had the money to start on that bike.
Having said that, half the fun of riding bikes is wrenching on them, making them your own, and if a 180 tire is what you want, go for it. Just remember to take pics and show it off here. I'm used to working on liquid cooled, fuel injected inline 4 bikes these days, but found myself here when I bought my wife's gs and started it's build. I've had lots of questions that the members have answered with vast amounts of knowledge and super fast. I wish I would've documented what I did to her bike and contributed more.
Quote from: Stanfield on November 09, 2010, 07:44:08 PMI love getting on my wife's gs and throwing that thing around.
I feel the same way about my mom's ex250. It's amazing what difference there is between her bike and mine, and I can always enjoy a change of scenery. It's much more fun to ride a slow bike at it's limit than restrain yourself on a fast bike. I would buy my gs back in a heartbeat if dude would sell it.
im going to buy a gsxr relax, i just wanna do this for learning experience. in the mean time, ill ride my dads gsxr. I like wrenching on my own stuff, and learning more about things, im a hands on person, and i love the look of a gs, and love fat tires, i know its not going to add performance, but i dont see why it matters? im just asking if its possible and some help to do it
+1 Stanfield.
ZukiGS500E, if you're as poor as you say, why throw $$ at a GS when you could save it for the gixxer? Anyway, if you go past about 150 or 160 rear tyre then the rear sprocket will be further out and you're going to have a misaligned chain unless you go for some expensive machining to move the front sprocket sideways. Have fun with what you do!
Quote from: the mole on November 09, 2010, 08:06:27 PM
you're going to have a misaligned chain
This is the biggest obstacle you will have to overcome. If you can arrange for this, then it is doable.
if i find that its going to be a struggle, ill just sell the stuff, im not poor, im just in a tight situation, my dads helping me out a little bit, and the stuf together is 175 basically, and its a winter project, i have months to get it figured out, and time to save, spring is pretty far from now
Quote from: redhenracing2 on November 09, 2010, 08:45:36 PM
Quote from: the mole on November 09, 2010, 08:06:27 PM
you're going to have a misaligned chain
This is the biggest obstacle you will have to overcome. If you can arrange for this, then it is doable.
I don't think this is really a big problem, many have put 180 tire (and even 200 and up to 360), custom sprocket do the trick for example.
The real problem was pointed out by Jim Knopp, this guy is kind of like the Jesus of the fat tire so when he said it's not going to be easy you can trust him, it's not going to be an easy swap! If you like the challenge, and you can weld (TIG/MIG) maybe go for it.
But if you have to mod the arm itself (grinding it) and then realise you can't even mount it on the GS you will be stuck with a useless GSXR arm.
As it was already pointed out, if you just want a 180 or 200 tire just go for a bandit 12 arm with stock bandit rim or GSXR rim.
:whisper: I personally would look for a 93-95 gsxr banana swinger. If I remember correctly, Shave 5MM off each side of the frame and done. And I believe the front axel is the same. I have done this on my bandit with a 90swinger (1100) :woohoo:
Quote from: Stanfield on November 09, 2010, 07:44:08 PM
It's one of those things that you won't appreciate until you've moved on.
I've had two other faster bikes at the same time as the GS and the GS is still fun to ride. I fully understand wanting to make it look better though. I've already done a lot of cosmetic mods to mine, and always wanted my old ex250 to look a lot better. That was before they remodeled it too. I would've been pretty pleased with the newer style. All I thought about when I had it was buying a bigger bike, but now that I have one I'd definitely love another ex250 to throw around.
Quote from: redhenracing2 on November 09, 2010, 07:49:25 PM
I feel the same way about my mom's ex250.
What?? we just found out I love YOU was a babe from the pictures thread, and now we find out she rides too??
Quote from: tt_four on November 10, 2010, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: redhenracing2 on November 09, 2010, 07:49:25 PM
I feel the same way about my mom's ex250.
What?? we just found out I love YOU was a babe from the pictures thread, and now we find out she rides too??
I'm not gonna question what it is that translates to 'I love you', but yes. Pic related:
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb144/redhen2/IMG00229-1.jpg)
"I love YOU" is the forum translation for "your m-o-m".
And she parks the bike in the house!? :thumb:
Quote from: Paulcet on November 10, 2010, 07:17:11 PM
"I love YOU" is the forum translation for "your m-o-m".
And she parks the bike in the house!? :thumb:
That was before she moved, new house has a carport with a designated stall for the bikes. Mine is there too since I'm out of town.
hahaha, this site cracks me up. I can't believe I can't even say "y-o-u-r m-o-m".
I love motorcycles parked inside houses. Seriously love though, not some moderated comment about I love YOU and motorcycles in houses. This whole thing is getting too confusing... :cookoo:
Here's one of my old bike in the same exact spot.
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/16/l_c9944d195d724ffeb45184123d9e1ca9.jpg)
What will i have to do to accomodate the front sprocket issue? do i swap sides? since it goes to the right, can i turn the drive sprocket around for a wider tire so it will not rub?
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb323/dragster1591/IMG_20101113_183325.jpg)
old forks
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb323/dragster1591/IMG_20101113_183215.jpg)
stock pipe
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb323/dragster1591/IMG_20101113_183202.jpg)
have to press out steering stems and swap them for the to work, i have a friend who owns a press and hopefully this will be done soon
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb323/dragster1591/IMG_20101113_183155.jpg)
98 gsxr forks with duel brakes
(http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb323/dragster1591/IMG_20101113_183146.jpg)
this is what she looks like right now