Hey,
Has anyone used or seen the Pinlock Protec Tint inserts? I'm looking at getting one because i don't want the hassle of changing visors to ride at night (not that difficult with my helmet, but if i can avoid it, i'd like to) and sunnies tend to hurt after wearing them for a while under the helmet.
This is one of the websites that explains what it does, they are much like the transition lenses in glasses.
http://www.pinlock.nl/en/products-2/pinlock-protectint/
oh and i don't know if it matters, but i have a Shoei TZ-X Sprite with a clear CW-1 visor.
Cheers,
-Mart3y
I have never tried that product but I have seen these in the motorcycle shops -
http://www.bikebiz.com.au/products/Shark-S900-Fost-Lumi-Helmet.html
It has a flip down sun visor on the inside of the clear one. I tried one on when I purchased my Shark helmet but the RSI didnt have this option. Also glows in the dark.
i have prescription sunnies and they are fine no matter how long i ride (and i do all day rides)
my sunnies are maui jim's so even their normal sunnies cost a few dollars and are top quality
Quote from: Twisted on January 22, 2011, 06:38:43 PM
I have never tried that product but I have seen these in the motorcycle shops -
http://www.bikebiz.com.au/products/Shark-S900-Fost-Lumi-Helmet.html
It has a flip down sun visor on the inside of the clear one. I tried one on when I purchased my Shark helmet but the RSI didnt have this option. Also glows in the dark.
I have a Zox helmet that has the interior visor- love it. Very useful since I wear prescription glasses.
The only complaint I've heard about photochromatic tint is that it takes too long to react to changes of light. Since I'm extremely cheap, I bought a roll of peel and cling window tint. Cut a little strip, put it on top of mt visor, and just tilt my head down a couple degrees to block the sun.
Speaking of Flip down tinted visors, Nolan do a helmet with what looks to be an external tinted section over the clear visor, though i think they go for about $800-900 at the moment.
I've just had another thought, apparently the CW-1 visor (which is fitted to the Shoei TZ-X) offers 99% UV reduction, now everywhere i've read, it doesnt specify whether that applies to the clear visor aswell. I'm assuming because the pinlock protec tint works on UV to darken/ lighten, it wont work if the visor offers UV protection. Does that sound about right to anyone?
http://www.shoei-helmets.com/TechSpecs.aspx?h=19#CW-1_Shield
Those look convenient. the other downside to swapping visors is the potential to break something. I used to have a tinted visor for my helmet but it broke one day when I was trying to swap it so all I have left is my clear visor. I'm too cheap to put out $50 for a new visor for a 7 year old helmet. I'm just gonna pick up a new helmet. I've been looking into other options because I don't feel like dealing with separate visors again this time around. I'm probably going to find one with the flip down sun visor. I recently bought a new pair of glasses and I just got a pair with the magnetic sunglasses attachment. The only problem with the flip down visors, sunglass attachments, and probably those tinted inserts you found is that they never seem to get dark enough. I've always bought the darkest visors I could find, but other options are usually not that tinted. I also bought some of the stick on tint from pepboys to put a strip on my helmet but haven't gotten around to it. My other thought, with how much I have now is that I could cut out a bunch of them the shape of my visor, cover the whole inside of my visor, and if I'm out when it gets dark I could just pull the whole thing off and toss it out and start with a new one the next day. It would be nice to get a visor with those pegs attached to the outside so you can use those tear away inserts. I'm sure they come in tints and you don't have to actually stick them to your visor.
the one last problem that makes me hesitant to try anything other than a real tinted visor, is sometimes they start to distort what you see through them. When I put the sunglasses on, and look through my normal clear visor it gives me these really weird rainbow color effect that start to hurt your head after a while. The sky turns a weird glowing shade of blue/purple, any black spot on the road turns a purplish color. the back window of cars has a weird pattern on it. it's just kind of distracting.
On a sorta related topic... Does anybody know if prescription face sheilds are available? I would like to have a prescription sheild and a drop down shade. And a helmet that doesn't whistle or fog up. And Xmas every Friday.
Don't think I've ever seen a prescription visor. I don't know much about that stuff but I don't know if it's even possible. I think having it so far away from your eyes and being curved would make it too hard, especially because people who need glasses usually have a different prescription for each eye. On top of that, I would expect to pay a minimum of $300 just for the visor, but I feel like in reality you'd be looking at closer to $500-600.
Quote from: tt_four on January 23, 2011, 09:47:08 AM
Those look convenient. the other downside to swapping visors is the potential to break something. I used to have a tinted visor for my helmet but it broke one day when I was trying to swap it so all I have left is my clear visor. I'm too cheap to put out $50 for a new visor for a 7 year old helmet. I'm just gonna pick up a new helmet. I've been looking into other options because I don't feel like dealing with separate visors again this time around. I'm probably going to find one with the flip down sun visor. I recently bought a new pair of glasses and I just got a pair with the magnetic sunglasses attachment. The only problem with the flip down visors, sunglass attachments, and probably those tinted inserts you found is that they never seem to get dark enough. I've always bought the darkest visors I could find, but other options are usually not that tinted. I also bought some of the stick on tint from pepboys to put a strip on my helmet but haven't gotten around to it. My other thought, with how much I have now is that I could cut out a bunch of them the shape of my visor, cover the whole inside of my visor, and if I'm out when it gets dark I could just pull the whole thing off and toss it out and start with a new one the next day. It would be nice to get a visor with those pegs attached to the outside so you can use those tear away inserts. I'm sure they come in tints and you don't have to actually stick them to your visor.
the one last problem that makes me hesitant to try anything other than a real tinted visor, is sometimes they start to distort what you see through them. When I put the sunglasses on, and look through my normal clear visor it gives me these really weird rainbow color effect that start to hurt your head after a while. The sky turns a weird glowing shade of blue/purple, any black spot on the road turns a purplish color. the back window of cars has a weird pattern on it. it's just kind of distracting.
Yeah thats one of the things i was concerned about, but the helmet i have now has a quick release system, so maybe that will be easy to use.
I have noticed the weird things sunglasses do, it gets quite distracting when your visor is going green and purple.
those inserts do come in clear, different levels of tinting and also amber, but at a price close to a new visor when shipped over to australia, i've decided its not really worth it.
In a hope that the quick release system on my helmet works like it says it does, ive gone and bought a tinted visor from the US, which was $76 compared to the $120+ you would have to fork out to get one over here
Quote from: Mart3y on January 23, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: tt_four on January 23, 2011, 09:47:08 AM
Those look convenient. the other downside to swapping visors is the potential to break something. I used to have a tinted visor for my helmet but it broke one day when I was trying to swap it so all I have left is my clear visor. I'm too cheap to put out $50 for a new visor for a 7 year old helmet. I'm just gonna pick up a new helmet. I've been looking into other options because I don't feel like dealing with separate visors again this time around. I'm probably going to find one with the flip down sun visor. I recently bought a new pair of glasses and I just got a pair with the magnetic sunglasses attachment. The only problem with the flip down visors, sunglass attachments, and probably those tinted inserts you found is that they never seem to get dark enough. I've always bought the darkest visors I could find, but other options are usually not that tinted. I also bought some of the stick on tint from pepboys to put a strip on my helmet but haven't gotten around to it. My other thought, with how much I have now is that I could cut out a bunch of them the shape of my visor, cover the whole inside of my visor, and if I'm out when it gets dark I could just pull the whole thing off and toss it out and start with a new one the next day. It would be nice to get a visor with those pegs attached to the outside so you can use those tear away inserts. I'm sure they come in tints and you don't have to actually stick them to your visor.
the one last problem that makes me hesitant to try anything other than a real tinted visor, is sometimes they start to distort what you see through them. When I put the sunglasses on, and look through my normal clear visor it gives me these really weird rainbow color effect that start to hurt your head after a while. The sky turns a weird glowing shade of blue/purple, any black spot on the road turns a purplish color. the back window of cars has a weird pattern on it. it's just kind of distracting.
Yeah thats one of the things i was concerned about, but the helmet i have now has a quick release system, so maybe that will be easy to use.
I have noticed the weird things sunglasses do, it gets quite distracting when your visor is going green and purple.
those inserts do come in clear, different levels of tinting and also amber, but at a price close to a new visor when shipped over to australia, i've decided its not really worth it.
In a hope that the quick release system on my helmet works like it says it does, ive gone and bought a tinted visor from the US, which was $76 compared to the $120+ you would have to fork out to get one over here
Those wierd optical effects are due to "polarized" sunglasses. Plastic visors become polarized due to the properties of the plastic and the manufacturing process. Depending on the orientation of the polarization, you get a change in darkness, and or change in color as you look throught polarized glasses.
Polarized sunglasses are marvelous in cutting down "glare". The polarization eliminates the "horizontal" light waves of glare while letting in most of the other light waves. But you can't look through two layers of polarized material at the same time. Often devices like cell phones, digital watches, calculators will actully look completly black when viewed throught polarized glasses, at certain angles.
As a long time pilot, I never use polorized sungalsses, the plactic windshields, and bubble canopies on aircraft, all have this effect. (hard to find non-polorized sunglasses though)
Cookie
I wear the Oakley Half Jackets with my Shoei RF-1000 and have none of the issues you guys are reporting. No weird colors in fact I will not ride at night without my yellow lenses. My half jackets change lenses in about 10 seconds. I use the clear visor for the shoei. I wear contacts and having the shield and sunglasses keep them from drying out too much.
Mary
I actually notice the weird color effects even when I'm not in my helmet. I assumed it was something to do with the UV protection in the sunglasses.
While visiting one of my local bike stores today to get stuff for a service i asked one of the guys about these light sensitive inserts. Turns out, progrip do something similar. however, instead of attaching via the pinlock, they appear to just stick to the visor or something similar
http://www.jtr.com.au/pdfs/progrip/progrip_3458_goggle_roll_offs_&_l3000_visor_shield.pdf
I wasn't able to get a price today, but apparently they are closer to the $50 mark. He also mentioned Casey Stoner uses them, so theoretically they shouldn't be too bad lol
Quote from: tt_four on January 23, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
I actually notice the weird color effects even when I'm not in my helmet. I assumed it was something to do with the UV protection in the sunglasses.
Yes polarized lenses will do this. Cheap ass service station sunnies won't.
Quote from: Twisted on January 23, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: tt_four on January 23, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
I actually notice the weird color effects even when I'm not in my helmet. I assumed it was something to do with the UV protection in the sunglasses.
Yes polarized lenses will do this. Cheap ass service station sunnies won't.
Neither will safety specs :thumb:
Michael
Like I said my Oakleys do not distort and I can assure you those are not "cheap a$$ gas station sunnies"
I won't wear anything but Oakleys because they are the only sunglasses that don't give me headaches in the bright Florida sun or those God awful bluish white headlights. I also have a very small bridge, they fit my nose without sliding down. The frames themselves are practically indestructable they are dropped probably once a day when getting ready to ride Flick. I'm a bumbling goof at times. I also rolled the bike over them once still in one piece! They are four years old now. Every other year I buy new day light lenses haven't had to replace the night lenses.
People compain about how expensive they are but $105 for the pair and two sets of lenss $80. So, $50 a year how many pairs of cheap sunglasses do you guys go through and have no "real" protection.
Back on topic LOL. I have a pinlock anti-fog insert but if the visor ones are the same size it doesn't seem like it would do a lick of good having the light go around it. Maybe I'm missing something. Or it could be the good drugs in the hospital!
Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on January 24, 2011, 11:25:10 AM
Like I said my Oakleys do not distort and I can assure you those are not "cheap a$$ gas station sunnies"
I won't wear anything but Oakleys because they are the only sunglasses that don't give me headaches in the bright Florida sun or those God awful bluish white headlights. I also have a very small bridge, they fit my nose without sliding down. The frames themselves are practically indestructable they are dropped probably once a day when getting ready to ride Flick. I'm a bumbling goof at times. I also rolled the bike over them once still in one piece! They are four years old now. Every other year I buy new day light lenses haven't had to replace the night lenses.
People compain about how expensive they are but $105 for the pair and two sets of lenss $80. So, $50 a year how many pairs of cheap sunglasses do you guys go through and have no "real" protection.
Back on topic LOL. I have a pinlock anti-fog insert but if the visor ones are the same size it doesn't seem like it would do a lick of good having the light go around it. Maybe I'm missing something. Or it could be the good drugs in the hospital!
Mary
Oakley offers polarized and not polarized. The polarized Oakley, or any other brand, cheap or expensive, will cause the effect.
Cookie
QuoteBack on topic LOL. I have a pinlock anti-fog insert but if the visor ones are the same size it doesn't seem like it would do a lick of good having the light go around it. Maybe I'm missing something. Or it could be the good drugs in the hospital!
If you are making a reference to the progrip ones, i'm told they are larger than the pinlock and cover most of the viewing area of the visor
Ahhh gotcha, yeah don't think my Oakley's are polarized. I didn't see really what the use was?
Oh, well if the pin locks cover the visor it might be a viable idea. I think someone already said it though what if the visor is UV protected (IE my Shoei)?
Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on January 24, 2011, 02:42:40 PM
Ahhh gotcha, yeah don't think my Oakley's are polarized. I didn't see really what the use was?
Oh, well if the pin locks cover the visor it might be a viable idea. I think someone already said it though what if the visor is UV protected (IE my Shoei)?
Mary
Yeah, my shoei is 99% UV protected so i'm not sure if the light sensitive inserts will work. Depending on how much the bike shop wants for one, i may just buy one and try it
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on January 24, 2011, 02:42:40 PM
Ahhh gotcha, yeah don't think my Oakley's are polarized. I didn't see really what the use was?
Oh, well if the pin locks cover the visor it might be a viable idea. I think someone already said it though what if the visor is UV protected (IE my Shoei)?
Mary
just FYI....UV protection is one thing and polarization is another.
Sunglasses do many things.....
They can "darken" the bright sunlight
they can filter out UV rays, which can cause eye damage (even clear lens can be a UV filter)
the color of the lens can enhance vision clarity and contrast (yellow, and orange-ish lenses filter out blue light....the human eye has the most trouble focusing sharply on blue light, does good on the other colors)
Polarized lenses reduce glare.....useful in snow skiing, boating, and possibly driving.....glare is reflected light which has most of the light waves in one orientation, polarization does not let waves of this orientation through.
(polarized is not good when looking through something else which is polarized already.....plastic visor, windshield (plastic or safety glass) cell phone, calculator, digital watch. In aviation we need to see other aircraft, so we want to see that "flash" of reflected light...so no polarize.)
Sunglasses can also offer physical eye protection from flying objects, dust, etc.
Probably a couple of other benefits too, I haven't thought of!
Cookie
Quote from: Mart3y on January 24, 2011, 02:17:20 PM
QuoteBack on topic LOL. I have a pinlock anti-fog insert but if the visor ones are the same size it doesn't seem like it would do a lick of good having the light go around it. Maybe I'm missing something. Or it could be the good drugs in the hospital!
If you are making a reference to the progrip ones, i'm told they are larger than the pinlock and cover most of the viewing area of the visor
I gotta agree....the ones I saw on the internet looked like they only cover about 75% of the visor......this would be distracting.......and ineffective in my opinion.
I seldom find the need for anything other than my clear visor......and I occasionally stay out too long and ride home at night.......I have thought about getting another tinted visor of some sort. I have a Z1R helmet....visors are like $25......quick to change out too........but it would be a pain to have to carry around an extra all the time.
Cookie
Ahhh, thanks on the definition of the polarized.
These are what I wear. http://www.oakley.com/products/2080/5626
Except I got them at Disney where a friend who works there got them for 40% off!
I use this for cleaning and if you are near an Oakley store they will refill it for free!
http://www.oakley.com/products/3639/11670
Mary
Quote from: twocool on January 24, 2011, 03:19:56 PM
I gotta agree....the ones I saw on the internet looked like they only cover about 75% of the visor......this would be distracting.......and ineffective in my opinion.
That's what I deal with when I use the sunglasses I have. They shade the main line of sight, but I can still see the normal brightness all around the edges. It was weird at first but it's not that bad. Plus you figure with sunglasses your eyes will adjust to the darkness and things will get a little brighter again. With mine I still get some of the brighter light around the edges, so it keeps my eyes from dilating as much, and makes the otherwise weak tint of the sunglasses a little more affective because my eyes don't have to adjust as much.
That's just a theory though.
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on January 24, 2011, 09:47:57 PM
Ahhh, thanks on the definition of the polarized.
These are what I wear. http://www.oakley.com/products/2080/5626
Except I got them at Disney where a friend who works there got them for 40% off!
I use this for cleaning and if you are near an Oakley store they will refill it for free!
http://www.oakley.com/products/3639/11670
Mary
They look like they would be a bit more comfortable than mine in a helmet, i have Oakley Antix: http://au.oakley.com/products/6094/22497
They aren't too bad for the first 100km, but after that, they start to hurt
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on January 24, 2011, 09:47:57 PM
Ahhh, thanks on the definition of the polarized.
These are what I wear. http://www.oakley.com/products/2080/5626
Except I got them at Disney where a friend who works there got them for 40% off!
I use this for cleaning and if you are near an Oakley store they will refill it for free!
http://www.oakley.com/products/3639/11670
Mary
That model is "iridium" lens. They are not polarized, but "also available" in polarized.
40% off is a good deal!
I find Oakley to be quite and interesting company. When I worked in a Bike shop (bicycle) many many years ago, we carried Oakleys when they just came on the market..........I predicted that nobody would ever pay that kind of money for sunglasses. The shop owner agreed, but his son insisted we get the big display and try to sell them. The son was right! Very profitable!
Oakley are a master of marketing! They are able to combine form, function, with style. They actually created their own demand!
They are a quality product, but they come at a super premium price!
If you got them for 40% off, what did the retailer pay? Probably the retailer marks up 100%....the distrubutor probably marks up 100% and the actual mfrg marks up 100%.
Probably less than $10 in materials and labor in a pair of Oakeys.......then maybe $20 in marketing.......then marked up to $100, some over $200 to the consumer.
Boy, I wish thought of that!
Cookie
Nope they were the same price that is on the internet $105 Oakley doesn't allow an authorized dealer to mark up the price. Technically they don't allow you to discount them either I've never seen Oakley's on clearance etc. I'm not sure how Disney is getting away with it but I ain't complaining. When I get my taxes in might pick up another pair. At Universal employees only get 10% off. But, they have lenses and Disney doesn't so that's where I get the extras.
Yeah, Mart3y those look like they might hurt after awhile with the larger frames. My head is too small for the larger frames makes me look like a little kid wearing daddy's glasses!
Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on January 25, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
Nope they were the same price that is on the internet $105 Oakley doesn't allow an authorized dealer to mark up the price. Technically they don't allow you to discount them either I've never seen Oakley's on clearance etc. I'm not sure how Disney is getting away with it but I ain't complaining. When I get my taxes in might pick up another pair. At Universal employees only get 10% off. But, they have lenses and Disney doesn't so that's where I get the extras.
Yeah, Mart3y those look like they might hurt after awhile with the larger frames. My head is too small for the larger frames makes me look like a little kid wearing daddy's glasses!
Mary
What I mean by mark up is this..........those glasses that retail for $105 probably cost the dealer around $50. (that's 100% mark up). Yes, Oakley attempts to "fix" the retail price, so you probably see the same retail price everywhere.
Marketing!
Cookie
I don't mind paying the $60 because they are the only ones that I can wear all day in the sun and I don't get a headache. People have tried to pass the fakes off on me at flea markets and I can tell. I have no problems paying for quality.
Mary