I just found these on ebay. They are a frame slider that can fit the "F" without cutting into the fairing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T-Rex-Suzuki-07-on-GS500F-Frame-Sliders-NO-CUT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b700e4a2QQitemZ140509242530QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
I think they're a little far back to prevent damage to the turn signals but if you don't want to cut a hole in the fairing (like some of us did for the R&G sliders) here is an alternative.
If anyone buys them, let me know what you think.
(Toogoofy - see? I really don't have EVERY possible GS500 part and accessory!)
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?
Shipping only to the US hmm I'm sure I bought bar ends of this guy. I'll have to send an email and await the response. They are perfect as my indicators are flush style to start with anyway.
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?
Remember that in Europe the naked "F" model bikes were still sold after 2002. We had them only 2001-2002. 2007 started the "F" that we know with the fairing. I think that's what they are referring to. If you didn't have a fairing, you can use the crash sliders/bobbins/thingies that mount in the front engine bolt (which is OK with no fairing or requires a hole if you have a fairing.)
Are the location points for these sliders on the case-cover bolts going to be strong enough to sustain a decent thrust/whack? If the bolts shear/strip out, do you think that movement of the tubular cross engine supports for the sliders is likely to do a bit of damage, eh?
Quote from: noworries on February 06, 2011, 06:42:29 AM
Are the location points for these sliders on the case-cover bolts going to be strong enough to sustain a decent thrust/whack? If the bolts shear/strip out, do you think that movement of the tubular cross engine supports for the sliders is likely to do a bit of damage, eh?
I'm thinking along those same lines... A good whack might cost you an engine instead of a side cover/some fairings.
Who wants to test them out? :icon_mrgreen:
FWIW, the R&G sliders were pretty easy to install, in spite of requiring holes to be cut. Moving in slo-mo (as I was tutoring Mrs. at the time), it still only took 90 minutes.
Looks like a VERY bad design. It is dependent on the small case mounting threads in the motor (hard to repair without replacing lower end) and from the looks of it, the upper mount connects the left and right sliders. This will pretty much screw you worse than not having sliders in a hard drop because the engine casing on BOTH sides will be affected.
I'm not passing any judgment on these. Just making people aware of them. :2guns: it is good it gets a feisty discussion going For another 2 weeks, all I can to do is search ebay and the world for GS500 parts. :icon_eek:
When riding again, someone else may have to take over the search job. :flipoff: 'cause my butt will be a straddlin' Suzi and Junior.
Quote from: adidasguy on February 06, 2011, 01:33:10 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?
Remember that in Europe the naked "F" model bikes were still sold after 2002.
A naked F??...hmmm..... well I am in Europe and despite having sold about 35 various GS5s over the last 10 years I cant say I have ever seen one. In fact if memory serves I didnt see the first F until sometime in 2004 and that was definately faired :dunno_black:
Maybe I missed something though, have you got a pic of a naked `02 on F should be a looker without a fairing and with that gixxer style headlamp :thumb:
In all seriousness my bike is fully insured sliders are more so if they bike falls off its stand (has happened once to me already) or at traffic lights I slip putting foot or something else equally stupid that I can pick the bike up and ride away.
Sliders like these are perfect for people like me. If I come off and it screws the bike, well hey its a write off and that's why I pay insurance.
Quote from: tb0lt on February 06, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
Looks like a VERY bad design. It is dependent on the small case mounting threads in the motor (hard to repair without replacing lower end) and from the looks of it, the upper mount connects the left and right sliders. This will pretty much screw you worse than not having sliders in a hard drop because the engine casing on BOTH sides will be affected.
I came to the same conclusion as you tb0lt - but I'm in the market for some sliders right now and was not too enthused about drillling through the fairing.... so I sent T-Rex an email asking about the design and they have responded as follows...
Hi,
There is a pretty low chance tripping/pulling out the thread. The brackets are bolted down in 4 places: engine mount, the two case cover bolts and the another bolt that connect to the other bracket on the other side. You pretty much need to rip all these four bolts out to trip the threads. Ripping just one medium grade 8.8 10mm engine mount bolt will require about 2904 lbs. There is a formula to perform this calculation in mechanical engineering book [1/3 circumference X thickness X 80K psi(the approx tensile strength of grade 8.8)] Consider the weight of the bike about 450 lbs, it will take a force of 6g on the bike to break this bolt. You still have three other bolts. In a low side, there is always the weight of the bike pressing on the slider. The resulting force is the sum vector of this downward force and the pull on the slider as it drag on the ground. This sum force is at an angle to the ground. In other word the leverage on the slider is lowered in a lowside b/c of the weight of the bike pressing on it.
We have similar design on the 09-10 R1 except that there is only two bolts(NOT 4 as those of the gs500f): one engine mount and one case cover bolt. We have good feedback on the slider performance and have a number of customers purchasing replacement sliders.
Thanks,
My concern is not about the bolt being damaged... more the aluminum thread in the centre casing :dunno_white:
Tx for the find adidas+ good follow-up there, unsane. It's stuff like this that makes the site so useful.
Which frame sliders are the best for the GS500F- R&G or T-REX?
if you order the R&G does it come in a kit with 2 or do you have to order 2 kits??-- it seems the R&G also mount to the engine is that correct
R&G website states the kit is sold as a pair http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Suzuki/GS500_FullyFaired/All_Years/CP0158BL.aspx (http://www.rg-racing.com/browseBike/Suzuki/GS500_FullyFaired/All_Years/CP0158BL.aspx) and they mount to the frame through the front engine mount
(http://www.rg-racing.com/images/products/large/img195.jpg) (http://www.rg-racing.com/images/products/large/img195_2.jpg)
As for which is better :dunno_black: its all speculation until somebody lays their bike down and finds how how much damage does/doesn't occur. I am sure I have seen comments from other forum members who have the R&G's and they saved them from damaged fairings - a search would probably confirm this! :icon_idea:
As for the T-Rex sliders.... does anybody have them yet or am I going to be the first? :thumb:
Those are what I have and have previously posted pictures of them on Suzi.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=54705.msg618508#msg618508
Well tomorrow when my pay comes in I'm ordering a pair of the T-Rex ones. He tells me he ships to Australia so should only be a couple of weeks and I can post what they look like on my bike. Might mean I'll have to repair and paint my fairings...... nah.
Wrote them about the '07 on thing. I have an '06 and see no reason why they won't fit. Assuming everything's cool, imma order a pair. The argument they provide for the unlikelihood of thread damage is pretty convincing to me.
Quote from: Shaddow on February 08, 2011, 02:29:23 AM
Well tomorrow when my pay comes in I'm ordering a pair of the T-Rex ones. He tells me he ships to Australia so should only be a couple of weeks and I can post what they look like on my bike. Might mean I'll have to repair and paint my fairings...... nah.
X2
I did not notice that the front of the mounting bracket (hidden by the fairing) is actually bolted to the front engine mount - feeling a bit more confident about the longevity of my casing threads now!
Quote from: adidasguy on February 07, 2011, 07:18:42 PM
Those are what I have and have previously posted pictures of them on Suzi.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=54705.msg618508#msg618508
That was the post that inspired Mrs. to get them for her Jack.
They come complete (a pair of sliders plus all the hardware), and use a long bolt that replaces the stock front engine mount bolt. Installation was easy and straightforward. However, I found that marking the places to drill using a pencil was more accurate than the dab of grease or paint method in the instructions (only had to trim about 1/8" on one fairing, no trimming needed on the other).
I have fought with this thing for a long time. I guess I make it now huh ... cos my idea is a 100 times better than anything I have seen.
I guess I better get on it ... Would a $100 for 3 point guards with a +20 or so for sliders be a good target $ ?
Remember these are 3 point engine guards. Essentially the only kind IMHO that would work on an F cos they will not be very beefy - else it wont clear the fairing. Even without sliders they will save the motor. Put the sliders on and it will save the plastic in a low speed drop. Dump it at speed ... all bets are off, but teh motor still likely to be protected.
Cool.
Buddha.
I'm interested in your idea Buddha
Buddah's idea sounds good.
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on February 06, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
"07-on" what am I missing?
Shouldn't it be 04-on?
I asked them, this was their response:
QuoteHi,
We haven't tested it on the bike but you are welcome to try them and if they don't fit, simply return them within 14 days. We will issue a full refund. Please do let us know if they fit so we can pass this on to our next customer.
Thanks,
Hannah
Guess I'll be the guinea pig. Don't see any reason why they won't fit.
Just pulled the trigger on a set. They better be top quality and structurally sound for that price :o. I'll post some picks as soon as I get them installed.
Quote from: Pelikan on February 09, 2011, 12:39:39 AMGuess I'll be the guinea pig. Don't see any reason why they won't fit.
04 on up should all be the same for the "F" :thumb:
Quote from: Unsane on February 06, 2011, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: tb0lt on February 06, 2011, 08:48:59 AM
Looks like a VERY bad design. It is dependent on the small case mounting threads in the motor (hard to repair without replacing lower end) and from the looks of it, the upper mount connects the left and right sliders. This will pretty much screw you worse than not having sliders in a hard drop because the engine casing on BOTH sides will be affected.
I came to the same conclusion as you tb0lt - but I'm in the market for some sliders right now and was not too enthused about drillling through the fairing.... so I sent T-Rex an email asking about the design and they have responded as follows...
Hi,
There is a pretty low chance tripping/pulling out the thread. The brackets are bolted down in 4 places: engine mount, the two case cover bolts and the another bolt that connect to the other bracket on the other side. You pretty much need to rip all these four bolts out to trip the threads. Ripping just one medium grade 8.8 10mm engine mount bolt will require about 2904 lbs. There is a formula to perform this calculation in mechanical engineering book [1/3 circumference X thickness X 80K psi(the approx tensile strength of grade 8.8)] Consider the weight of the bike about 450 lbs, it will take a force of 6g on the bike to break this bolt. You still have three other bolts. In a low side, there is always the weight of the bike pressing on the slider. The resulting force is the sum vector of this downward force and the pull on the slider as it drag on the ground. This sum force is at an angle to the ground. In other word the leverage on the slider is lowered in a lowside b/c of the weight of the bike pressing on it.
We have similar design on the 09-10 R1 except that there is only two bolts(NOT 4 as those of the gs500f): one engine mount and one case cover bolt. We have good feedback on the slider performance and have a number of customers purchasing replacement sliders.
Thanks,
My concern is not about the bolt being damaged... more the aluminum thread in the centre casing :dunno_white:
Ha, I gotta call BS on this for the same reason as unsane. It will more than likely get shoved hard enough to pull the case bolts out. The end plate will just deform around the engine mount bolt.
Sadly I haven't contributed to the cause (case guards for 04+) so I dont have much to add.
Cool.
Buddha.
I also ordered a set. The cost is cheaper than allot of the other ones I've looked at so why not.
I guess I'll just have to put my faith in them being a reputable company and knowing what they're doing. I imagine if one drops/crashes the bike with enough force to trip those threads, the thing will be headed to the junk pile either way. I'm just getting them for any low-speed/no-speed gooberisms that might come up (fingers crossed, knock wood).
I am a little, how you say, miffed that I paid $15 for shipping and it took them a week to get them in the mail. At least I ordered before the price was raised (formally $69 + $15, now $79 + $15).
Okay, so after over two weeks, sliders finally arrived. With no instructions...
...and the rod that connects the two brackets is filled with rust. Looks like the bloody thing was submerged. Probably only surface rust on the threads, but is this thing gonna rot out on me?
[Poor cell phone image, but you get the gist.]
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6322/0218011112.jpg)
What brand did you order and from where? What did you pay?
Never had any problems like that with R&G parts. Parts always perfect and instructions included.
Ordered one other brand and also had instructions and parts were perfect.
These are the T-Rex sliders. Paid $69.95 + $15 shipping (totally gouged on shipping, and took two weeks to get here). Price has been recently raised to $79.95. Customer service is terrible.
I don't know about these. I think I might send them back for a refund.
I ordered a set from these guys for my Ducati Monster and I was impressed with the quality. Came with instructions and stickers. The postage was a bit slow but it had to come from overseas but it was packed very well.
Which guys? R&G or the other one?
I know R&G comes with stickers and instructions so I'm guessing it was them.
No the T- rex brand sorry.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/icecreamhands/DSC00343.jpg?t=1298098185)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/icecreamhands/DSC00344.jpg?t=1298098225)
I paid less than half the cost of most sliders you can get on eBay and these seem better made than the OGGY brand knobs that I have on my GS.
I've been really happy with R&G but those look really good!
Quote from: Pelikan on February 08, 2011, 02:49:52 AM
Wrote them about the '07 on thing. I have an '06 and see no reason why they won't fit. Assuming everything's cool, imma order a pair. The argument they provide for the unlikelihood of thread damage is pretty convincing to me.
Yeah, all fairing bike GS500>04 are the same so it should be no problem.
I went to install the T-Rex sliders today and discovered that it did not come with a bolt to fasten the brackets to the frame. The spacers are there but no bolt. It looks like I'll need a m10 x 1.25 x 16" bolt that is grade 8 or higher. Without it the assembly has limited structural integrity. I'm sending them an email and hopefully they will tell me it was an oversight, however, the pictures of the materials on Ebay don't show it. All of the parts do look to be high quality and I'm hoping this isn't a situation where important information was conveniently withheld by the seller.
Update: I just found the instructions that were delivered via email and they show the missing parts. Hopefully they will arrive shortly.
Frame sliders.....the more I look at the products, the more I think "if I couldn't knock up an equivalent set for $20 and what's in the scrap box, I couldn't have been trying..." And the more I look at the commercial products' mounting points, the more I think that Suzuki knew what it was doing with its three-point location case saver approach.
I saw the value of sliders today. My gym trainer came over with his GSXR1000. He had dropped it on a corner of wet leaves. We talked about repairing the minor scratches to the lower fairing. 1/4 of his right slider was ground off. if it wasn't for that slider, the entire right side of his GSXR would have been a total mess and the handle bars would have been bent & a total piece of crap.
Say what you want whether you feel they are valuable or not - but for him, they prevented having to replace the entire right side of his GSXR.
I just found an email from T-Rex Racing advising that they had mailed me something and I'm sure it's the missing parts. The emailed instructions were in an email account that I use when I order stuff so it's full of spam and unsolicited offers of all kinds. Kinda makes me feel bad that I sent them a rather terse email about the issue Saturday. So it looks like they actually addressed the missing parts and instructions issue before I complained. I guess I'll find out for sure in a couple of days.
My set arrived today and no, it was not an oversight Lanesplitter, my kit was missing the magic bolt and fitting instructions as well. I have emailed them and, being the eternal optimist, I just know they have already identified and addressed the missing parts issue... but eternal pessimist tells me I will be waiting for another 2 weeks.
Buying parts off the internet should not be this hard :technical:
I received the missing parts today so I'll be able to put everything together tomorrow.
Unsane - if you don't get the directions let me know and I'll email you the pdf.
MY sliders came today. All the parts are there, plus a sticker but no instructions. Beginning to wonder about this company. I bought Bar end weights off them a while back and got the goods fine but the delivery was very slow.
Ok buddha you need to produce some of those long engine bolts and find the perfect slider to go on the end for us..
Sorry now I have the instructions I realised that the extra long engine bolt they are suppose to provide (plus the nuts and washers to go with it) isn't there too. Now I'm upset!
Following my oopsie on Friday, I ordered a new clutch lever and a set of Oggie Knobbs (frame sliders) from Action Motorcycles today. Good Aussie price on the OM lever - $32 and I'll let u know how the sliders fit when I pick them up at the end of the week. Not cheap - $175 - but brans seems to have a good reputation and no postage stuff to worry about. Had a look around for a set of tube type case savers but they seem to have disappeared from the Aus market.
Quote from: noworries on February 28, 2011, 01:27:03 AM
Following my oopsie on Friday, I ordered a new clutch lever and a set of Oggie Knobbs (frame sliders) from Action Motorcycles today. Good Aussie price on the OM lever - $32 and I'll let u know how the sliders fit when I pick them up at the end of the week. Not cheap - $175 - but brans seems to have a good reputation and no postage stuff to worry about. Had a look around for a set of tube type case savers but they seem to have disappeared from the Aus market.
I got Oggys on my GS. Saved it once already at a low speed drop. Saw a set on eBay for $150 bucks but just had a look and they're not there anymore.
The replacement clutch lever turned out to be even better value when I picked it up today from the Action parts dept - $30 clean. Also, for Aussie owners, just had an email from Ron at Queensland based Motorcycle Adventure Products [sales@motorcycleadventure.com.au] advising that they can supply on order the Hepco and Becker PN501301 engine guards at $213 for black or $227 in chrome. I've already ordered a set of Okkies but I might look at the full tube case-saver kit at a late date.
Anybody get these installed? Thoughts? I got the replacement parts and instructions, but haven't put them on yet.
I'm waiting for my part to come in. Hopefully it will be here in a couple of days. I've mounted them just off the engine casing for looks at the moment and they feel fairly solid at the moment but I won't want to test them till that front bolt is in.
Just picked up the Oggies from the accessories boys at Action in Parrammatta and what a pleasant surprise....they gave me a $15 discount without any asking!!! Brought the price down to $160, lovely grub!
Going to try and get some time to fit the Knobbs this weekend. Looks like a pretty straight forward job.
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on February 23, 2011, 05:44:57 AM
Ok buddha you need to produce some of those long engine bolts and find the perfect slider to go on the end for us..
That bolt is the biggest problem. It was $10 or so a bolt and I had to buy a whole box.
Worse yet if I put in thicker end plates than the 1/4 inch I was using it wont fit. The method I am talking about probably will have to use 1/2 inch thick plates unless I make some serious design options.
For doing much of this I need a GS. That wont occour till mid april, and that is if the xs gets alive and jared still wants it for the GS. Sad, no GS for me.
Well the one that is in pieces can be cobbled back well enough to get the thing trialled out ... maybe. But that's even later than mid april.
Anyway I'll keep y'all posted, and it will look fugly ... fuglier than anything ever seen on a GS. But, protect the thing, it will.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on March 04, 2011, 08:11:39 AM
Anyway I'll keep y'all posted, and it will look fugly ... fuglier than anything ever seen on a GS. But, protect the thing, it will.
Cool.
Buddha.
I dunno Buddha ....you ever seen me on a GS? :tongue2:
any updates on this.... i want/need a set.
i dont mind cutting up my fairing for the other design but i want to see this installed. no idea where this would mount if you dont need to cut.
anyone have some for sale, either design.
I bought a set of these a little while ago, haven't installed them yet. Mine did come with all parts and instructions though.
Couple people have asked me for some pics of what they look like.
As I'm at work these the only pictures I have (ie sitting on photobucket) that I can share. I like them, haven't tested them.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/shaddow78/bike/DSCF0500.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/shaddow78/bike/DSCF0499.jpg)
OK so the there are 3 bolts. THey bolt from one side to the other right?
Each side has:
2 bolts into the engine case
1 bolt onto the front engine mount (they give you an extended bolt and spacers)
1 bolt into a crossover bar (sits under the carbs)