It's a Honda Aero 50, dude says it's an '82 but from my research they only run 83-87. It is missing many of the body panels. The seat is covered with faux suede ripped from a sofa. There is a spare piston under the seat, that is smaller around than my thumb.
Anybody know much about these bikes?
I don't but it definitely sounds like fun.
Here we are, $100 and a sketchy bill of sale later. I got this puppy up to 27 :woohoo:
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Back in "the day" I had a 49cc Honda Spree. I remember it being a lot of fun...for about two weeks...
Dude, why? Did you feel sorry for it? Was it like the last kitty in the box?
Looks like you will have fun with it...but I'll take the Charger Super Bee in the back ground...awesome car!! Maybe not that keen on the brown paint, but would drive it anyway... :thumb:
Later.
It's not really brown, it's more of a dark ceam/champagne color. It definitely turns heads.
Quote from: paulc86 on February 07, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Dude, why? Did you feel sorry for it? Was it like the last kitty in the box?
Mainly because I don't like having to ride my R in the rain, and wanted another form of transportation for those drizzly days and for if the bike had to be down for a day or something like that. It's just nice to have a backup.
Also I'm running short on projects, I want to leave the R all original so I don't have anything to modify . . . and I get bored when I dont have anything to modify. For another hundred bucks I could have bought back my gs, but it needs an engine.
Im sure there are entire forums dedicated to that scoot. If you have a hard time getting a real title, let me know. And remember- the green wire is the ground on Hondas. Not the black.
Good to know. I actually was wondering about a title, is there any kind of registration I need to do on it? I know it doesn't need a tag or insurance, but does it at least have to be put in my name?
That's more of a local law I would think. Same goes with the title/ bill of sale.
Aye. aorund here anything 500cc or less is exempt from tagging, license etc. also 5hp or under. my motorised bikes displace 66cc's tho. BUT ive got the receipt from my 49.9cc kit purchase aka this onld one
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Quote from: madjak30 on February 07, 2011, 08:25:41 PM
Looks like you will have fun with it...but I'll take the Charger Super Bee in the back ground...awesome car!! Maybe not that keen on the brown paint, but would drive it anyway... :thumb:
Later.
Hell id drive a turd brown bee. id drive one in its original colours AS LONG AS NOT PINK ! ! !, ( or purple) well id reconsider purple m
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on February 07, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
id drive one in its original colours AS LONG AS NOT PINK ! ! !, ( or purple) well id reconsider purple m
Plum Crazy purple is actually my favorite mopar color ever, and the duster in the bay next to the Bee will probably wind up with that as soon as I finish scraping off all the rallye red.
From every source I have found, it just says 'mopeds' are exempt from tagging and registration. It can't be just that simple, it confuses me. What if it's stolen? Would there be no document in the world tying my name to that vin number (other than my sketchy bill of sale)?
You guys don't require scooters to be tagged & insured? In KS, a "Moped" must be 50ccs or under and have bicycle pedals. If its a "scooter" (no CC limit), it is subject to the same registration rules as a motorcycle. May not hurt to call the local DMV and get a clarification.
It doesn't have to have pedals to be a moped, just has to be under 50cc, less than three hp, and less than 30 mph. That's ga law.
Man, must be nice...up here everything has to be tagged and insured...even off road toys such as quads and sleds need tags and insurance...under 50cc, you get to ride without a motorcycle license...that's the only exception, doesn't matter if it is a moped or scooter, 50cc and over is treated the same as a motorcycle...
Oh well... :dunno_black:
Later.
Well, after a confusing trip to the DMV and a chat with a few different LEO's, I have an answer.
I am good to run without plates or insurance, as long as I stay off the interstate.
As if that needs to be said . . . . Atlanta traffic is bad enough without me holding it up.
Different states all have different rules, and what they want to call a moped. By definition though, a moped has to have pedals, otherwise it's just a scooter.
mo·ped
/ˈmoʊˌpɛd/ Show Spelled[moh-ped] Show IPA
–noun
a motorized bicycle that has pedals in addition to a low-powered gasoline engine designed for low-speed operation.
Without pedals it's no longer a bicycle, and can't be a moped. Good stuff that you don't have to get it tagged though. Here in PA you still have to get a plate and insurance on them. The only positive is that you don't have to get it inspected. My wife is huge into mopeds. She got me one a while ago. I fixed it up pretty nice with a 70cc kit and a giant carb. It runs like a bat out of hell, but it's been temperamental, I think because of electrical issues I haven't sorted, and we've had a tough time getting the title because AAA has their head up their ass, and instead of actually finding out why the state keeps sending the paperwork back, they just keep handing me more forms and telling me to take them to a mechanic to get them filled out. I thought the point of paying AAA was because they were supposed to know and do something, not sit there staring at me. We'll get there someday. Either way, I'd still rather have a cb125 and call it a day.
Ga law :
Moped Defintion
Any motor driven cycle with an engine not exceeding 50 cubic centimeters (3.05 cubic inches), or two brake horsepower, that can propel the cycle at a speed not to exceed 30 miles per hour (MPH) and does not require clutching or shifting. The cycle may be equipped with two or three wheels and with or without foot pedals to allow for human muscular propulsion.
Quote from: redhenracing2 on February 08, 2011, 09:55:38 PM
Ga law :
Moped Defintion
Any motor driven cycle with an engine not exceeding 50 cubic centimeters (3.05 cubic inches), or two brake horsepower, that can propel the cycle at a speed not to exceed 30 miles per hour (MPH) and does not require clutching or shifting. The cycle may be equipped with two or three wheels and with or without foot pedals to allow for human muscular propulsion.
weird my bikes require clutching, IF i want to pedal it. and i must to start it. pedal like hell, and pop clutch. BUT there legal here. and many other places. BUT in some places have to have an M endoresement to ride a bicycle lol
Mine doesn't have a clutch. To start it I just kick the pedals backwards and it'll start the motor, then I can go back to forward pedaling.
Yama, keep in mind that when you say yours goes faster than 25mph, your bicycle with a motor weighs 100lbs less than a normal scooter or moped, so it'll want to move a little faster.
No clutch here either, when you kick it off (still working on fixing electric start) it starts spinning a little bit, but when you hit the ground (pop off the center stand) it stops, too much resistance for it to continue. You pretty much have to floor it to get it to move.
It's definitely different from the R, but it's fun in its own way.
Quote from: redhenracing2 on February 09, 2011, 08:53:53 AM
it starts spinning a little bit, but when you hit the ground (pop off the center stand) it stops, too much resistance for it to continue. You pretty much have to floor it to get it to move.
try turning the idle up a little bit. Once you get it running a little stronger that shouldn't be an issue. The automatic motors have a centrifugal clutch that will catch enough for the wheel to spin when it's on the center stand, but you should be able to drop it down onto the ground and have the motor still spinning. That doesn't have anything to do with the electric start not working. If it stops when you take it off the stand now, it'll do the same thing when you try to start it with both wheels on the ground. Maybe if you give it a little gas as you push it off the stand it'll keep running. Those kinds of things really make you appreciate a newer bike that just runs all the time like it's supposed to haha
No no, I made a misunderstanding. The engine stays running, the wheel just stops spinning when it catches the ground. That's what I meant.
Ooh, good stuff, sounds like it's doing what it's supposed to then.
Today it died.
I went for a ride a little longer than my 1 mile jaunt to work, and about 3 miles out I came across a section that is about 1/2 mile of steady uphill, not extreme but enough to strain it. I had to go WOT to continue up the hill, and based on my research these engines in particular don't like WOT past 15 mph, it just bogs and sputters. So after about 30 seconds of climbing uphill wide open, it just cuts off, and upon inspection smelled heavily of gas. Called a ride, brought it home, and got it in the garage. It has a very good, strong spark. The compression is good, as it is still has a firm kick when trying to start it. However, fuel is an issue. After taking out the plug and burning out all the floodedness with a lighter, it almost starts but then as soon as the throttle is hit to try and bring it to life, it goes right away. What would cause the carb to be dumping an insane amount of fuel into the engine? It's a small single cylinder, can't take much to flood it.
Does it have mixture screws? If so, you might play with them. You said in the other thread that it smokes a lot at idle, when it idles. Does is smoke a lot when you're driving?
Since you've determined that too much fuel is killing it, I would try leaning it out and see if that improves it.
How's the air filter? Exhaust clogged? Air leaks between the head and carb (although, that would cause it to lean out)?
float height? Not sure, I never got mine running perfect in that aspect. did you pull out the spark plug to see what it looked like? Well obviously it would've looked rich, haha, but on a normal basis I'd check the plug to see if you're running lean or rich.
As far as the throttle being wide open, that's pretty much how people ride those things. They're not like sportbike where you need to modulate the throttle, I feel like people on scooters and mopeds are usually either just full on the gas, or off of it. you just need to get the carb set right. I love doing mechanical work, but when I started on that moped I found out that I really don't care for troubleshooting actual engine work. All of that same stuff you're going through now I had to do, and I didn't care for it one bit. some people really like it though.
Quote from: paulc86 on February 10, 2011, 08:37:34 PM
Does it have mixture screws? Does is smoke a lot when you're driving?
How's the air filter? Exhaust clogged?
Unsure about a mixture screw, I'll have a look at the service manual. Insane smoking stopped after I hooked up the throttle cable to the oil pump. No air filter, some trash could have gotten in there which is why I want to clean it. Exhaust is definitely clear.
Quote from: tt_four on February 10, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
float height? did you pull out the spark plug to see what it looked like?
As far as the throttle being wide open, that's pretty much how people ride those things.
Float height is the first thing I'm gonna check when I get it apart. The spark plug looks fouled, I'm gonna put a new one in it in the morning. But it still is producing a healthy spark. And these engines in particular are very picky with throttle control, apparently it's a common issue with these. Once they get going, they don't want to be wide open. It seems that going up from an 88 to a 90 main jet fixes this issue.
Quote from: tt_four on February 09, 2011, 05:53:45 AM
Mine doesn't have a clutch. To start it I just kick the pedals backwards and it'll start the motor, then I can go back to forward pedaling.
Yama, keep in mind that when you say yours goes faster than 25mph, your bicycle with a motor weighs 100lbs less than a normal scooter or moped, so it'll want to move a little faster.
that is true TT, very true. weight plays ALOT into this
Quote from: redhenracing2 on February 10, 2011, 08:16:03 PM
Today it died.
I went for a ride a little longer than my 1 mile jaunt to work, and about 3 miles out I came across a section that is about 1/2 mile of steady uphill, not extreme but enough to strain it. I had to go WOT to continue up the hill, and based on my research these engines in particular don't like WOT past 15 mph, it just bogs and sputters. So after about 30 seconds of climbing uphill wide open, it just cuts off, and upon inspection smelled heavily of gas. Called a ride, brought it home, and got it in the garage. It has a very good, strong spark. The compression is good, as it is still has a firm kick when trying to start it. However, fuel is an issue. After taking out the plug and burning out all the floodedness with a lighter, it almost starts but then as soon as the throttle is hit to try and bring it to life, it goes right away. What would cause the carb to be dumping an insane amount of fuel into the engine? It's a small single cylinder, can't take much to flood it.
check the reeds in it. ( its a 2smoker right?)
That thing is not a Honda, the speedo is a fake. Its a BMW, you can tell by the badge on the front. :thumb:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on February 11, 2011, 12:52:56 AM
check the reeds in it. ( its a 2smoker right?)
It is, but I know almost nothing about the difference between this engine and a normal moto engine. I have heard mention of reeds a few times, wtf is a reed?
After a trip to howstuffworks, I have gained some much needed knowledge on how two-strokes work. I see that the reed allows mixture in when a vacuum is created during the compression stroke, essentially working as a one-way valve. So what could have gone wrong, is it possible this is stuck open?
It's possible it doesn't even have a reed valve, you'd have to see if there's a little box for one between the carb and the cylinder. You're right though, it basically takes the place of the valve so nothing comes back through the intake. Pull it apart and take a look, the reeds are pretty simple so if there's anything wrong with it you should be able to tell just be looking at it.
Pay close attention to the definitions in your particular state. What is ACTUALLY a moped and what is LEGALLY a moped may be two different things. As I recall, and I may be wrong, in Virginia a moped (legally) was under 50cc, under 3 hp, and certified max speed pf 30 mph or less. Pedals were irrelevant. I don't know about Texas, where aI am now.
Looks like a fun challenge to put it back together. Have fun.
Chuck
Quote from: Chuck500 on February 11, 2011, 09:08:04 PM
in Virginia a moped (legally) was under 50cc, under 3 hp, and certified max speed pf 30 mph or less. Pedals were irrelevant
It is the same in GA. I have checked and confirmed with multiple authorities, and should be perfectly legal as long as nobody pays too close attention to the '79cc' stamp on the engine.
Anywho, I got it running.
Here is the carb, over the notorious spill on the workbench from when I painted my gs. Got it all apart, and let it soak in some sea foam.
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While the carb was soaking, my curiosity struck up and I jus had to see this 'reed valve' in person.
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Once put together, (with a fesh spark plug, the old one was nowhere near the correct length) it took about 5 kicks for it to start up. Once it did, it purred like never before, and sounds much healthier, even better than the weed eater at the shop :woohoo:
Quote from: the mole on February 11, 2011, 03:44:22 AM
That thing is not a Honda, the speedo is a fake. Its a BMW, you can tell by the badge on the front. :thumb:
BMW made scooters? Is it an actual "badge" or just a sticker?
I did find something when I goggled bmw scooters. :)
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495883
If you scroll down you'll see some pics. :thumb:
tis why i like my moto bike. i can get anywhere i want to go @ 35+ mph, sans license insurance or anythign whatsoever. different locations have different rules tho.. contemplating building a moto tandem bike.
Hey you can go to these guys and stretch it out :thumb:
http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/2238637924.html
Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 01, 2011, 07:23:44 PM
Hey you can go to these guys and stretch it out :thumb:
http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/2238637924.html
Mary
I'm thinking of messaging him and asking him if that scooter is for sale. :D
Quote from: Big Rich on February 07, 2011, 09:26:55 PM
Im sure there are entire forums dedicated to that scoot.
Oh, that there are. Head over to www.hondaspree.net
Service manuals are hosted over there. So is WikiSpreedia
Looks like an early 50cc 2-stroke from '83 or '84. What's on the VIN tag, and what's stamped on the motor (motor stamping is on LHS at back of engine casting by rear wheel.)
Those reeds are toast, BTW. Surprized it's running at all with one bent up like that.
Plastics will not be easy to find for that thing.
Quote from: noiseguy on March 02, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: Big Rich on February 07, 2011, 09:26:55 PM
Im sure there are entire forums dedicated to that scoot.
Oh, that there are. Head over to www.hondaspree.net
Service manuals are hosted over there. So is WikiSpreedia
Looks like an early 50cc 2-stroke from '83 or '84. What's on the VIN tag, and what's stamped on the motor (motor stamping is on LHS at back of engine casting by rear wheel.)
Those reeds are toast, BTW. Surprized it's running at all with one bent up like that.
Plastics will not be easy to find for that thing.
Plastics is not an issue, I ain't cruisin for chickies on this thing. It looks good enough as I have it now.
The reed is not bent, I guess it's had to tell from the pic but I'm poking up through one with a finger. The reeds are shiny and seem to work perfectly.
I mentioned in another thread that I found a forum, but it was shut down to new members temporarily due to spamming. It is the very one that you mentioned, and seems to have a lot of good stuff.
Stamped on the side of the engine is 79cc, I'm still gonna pass it off as a 50 so I don't have to tag/insure it.
Yes. It was back up for a week, then I had to take it back down again b/c the emailer broke. Want me to PM you when it comes back up?
Plese do, I'm very anxious to get on board there.
As it sits
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lights off
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Ehh... did you saw off the muffler and put on a chrome extension? How's the bike running like that?
2-stroke bikes don't respond well to ad-hoc exhaust treatments. It can make them run much worse, and in some cases lean them out / destroy the rings and bore. Straight pipes are for 4-strokes.
If you want to build an expansion chamber, there's posts on that, but suffice to say it's complicated and a bit of an art. Here's an example of something that worked, that I put together for a Honda Spree:
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Otherwise, just clean out the stock exhaust (i.e. hit with welding torch or throw in campfire awhile) and weld it back on.
If that's an Aero 80, it's actually a fairly rare bike. Those rims are uncommon and were only used on earlier bikes. Here's a pic of the same bike in better condition... one of the forum members was working on this last fall:
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Any chance you have one of those exhausts laying around?
Nope, built a few to pay off my welder and sold all of them. Anyway, wouldn't work on your bike. Your bike's an 80cc; not only is the engine a different design but the chamber's different as well. This was a Ebay-pocket bike pipe that's been cut/rotated to fit the Honda Spree.
Best approach (besides putting stock exhaust back together) would be to find an expansion chamber from a YZ80 or like, and retrofit it. Cut and rotate to fit your bike. Use the stock downpipe, and keep all the lengths the same (that's the critical part that ppl get wrong.)
Stamped on the side of the engine is 79cc, I'm still gonna pass it off as a 50 so I don't have to tag/insure it.
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If that's the original engine your DMV is going to know it's 80cc from the VIN and it will be a motorcycle from a legal standpoint.
You have a Super Bee and a Honda scooter? You love anything with an engine, don't you?
Quote from: bill14224 on March 06, 2011, 08:19:00 AM
If that's the original engine your DMV is going to know it's 80cc from the VIN and it will be a motorcycle from a legal standpoint.
You have a Super Bee and a Honda scooter? You love anything with an engine, don't you?
I ran the vin at the dmv to see if it had been tagged before, and they said it had never been registered. No imformation about the bike itself was shown, even with the vin they could not tell me it wasn't a 50. Apparently you've never been to a Georgia dmv, they're their own kind of special :icon_rolleyes:
And yes. Super Bee, Duster, Fury, two Jeeps, Civic, Ram, Prelude, scooter, ninja 250, Rio, Raptor 660, Blaster 250 . . . . . I have my toys.