Finally done with my AAS. My major was Network Engineering Technician. I'm so freaking happy to be done! Now if I could only land gainful employment with my degree that would be even better eh? :cheers:
Good luck. I just got a business degree MIS. It's a tough time to be graduating.
Congrats! I put my shiney piece of paper up on here so where is yours? HMMMM, You know here pics or it didn't happen LOL. I'm slowly going insane in my psych courses here is what I was subjected to recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7IZmRnAo6s
Thought I was taking Clinical Psychology now how to become a psychopath. We've also watched Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. :cookoo: 36 more credits to go!
Mary
Waiting for all the final paperwork to be actually processed and such you know. I've already looked online and seen that the date of my degree being awarded is the 19th. Waiting to hear when I can actually go physically pick it up. :)
Congrats. I graduated back in '07, have been working as an accountant ever since...and finally decided that I hate it. So May marks the start of law school. :woohoo:
Thanks guys! The job market in general just sucks still in this neck of the woods. Just gotta keep pluggin away. :thumb:
Guys, education is a Eucking scam, especially one that costs 60g. If you dont stand a 95% chance of landing a job within 2 months of graduation that pays about what the education cost - not per year, the entire thing, I'd say sue your school for giving you false advertising.
Seriously they advertise for colleges. I dont see that as anything but a scam.
And everyone is on the wrong track about education costs. You dont need more subsidies and more "affordable loan" garbage. You need to stop giving loans to people for and in college and you need to stop giving grants liberally too. Cut these 2 out and watch the costs of college plummet. You buy with what $ you have in your pocket. Nor what some loan shark will loan you.
Cool.
Buddha.
I only had to take out rought 3k in student loans. I had about 15k more in grants.
Didn't pay a dime for my accounting degree...calm down Buddha. :tongue2:
Even if it didn't cost you money out your pocket it cost you in lost income.
My degree was going to take 4 years. If all I could make is $25k a year without the degree but $30k with, that 4 years would see $100k in lost income and at $5k a year difference would take 20 years to recoup!
So I left. And now make more $ than all the people I went to Uni with. In fact, four of us left the course and all four of us now make more $ than those who stayed and completed the degree. Neither have we (us four) been out of work. We haven't stayed with the same employer or even line of work, but we have always been employed. :thumb:
Michael
That's assuming you don't work during school.
Now, in terms of majors that are [practically] unemployable and not in demand, you're 100% right. I honestly have no idea why so many people bother getting degrees in fields that don't need them. Well, actually, I do know why. Because these days, you spend 12 years in public school being told by every guidance counselor/teacher/whatever that "You need a college degree. That's the ticket. A college degree equals a good job." Nobody ever specifices "But make sure it's a degree someone will pay you to have." My sister got an English degree; when's the last time you opened the classifieds and saw "ENGLISH MAJOR WANTED"? Same with history degrees...or women's studies degrees...or political science. But for the professions (doctor/lawyer/engineer/accountant/indian chief/etc), things that require a degree and pay accordingly, it's perfectly viable.
So crunching numbers like you did: I could make about $20k without my degree, or roughly $60k with it. I worked full-time during school, making about $22k/year. So, in four years, I "lost" $28k...which was made up for in the first year.
Now, I'll fully admit that there are lots of careers that, though they require a degree, still don't pay much more than a job that doesn't. Teachers, for instance. But no one is (or at least shouldn't be) surprised by the pay in those fields upon graduating; they know if before they start the program.
Short version: college is GREAT...as long as you spend your time, money, and effort studying something that's worthwhile, and not getting a worthless piece of paper just to get it.
In Jserio's case, he got an AAS, so it was [assuming he went full-time] only a 2-year proposal. So his "missed" income would only be half of what your numbers assumed.
Yes, full time here. Two years. 8 quarters. Depending on how you want to look at it. I haven't found alot of figures yet for people who are just starting out in the IT field. I've found some "mid-career" and "highest earnings" numbers. But those are going to vary depending on niche and location.
I am not talking about any 1 person in particular.
But the whole concept of taking out 50K in loans to make 30K in the job you'd get based on that seems insane to me.
The only reason college costs so much is the fact that there is "money available". Like the germans printed pound notes during WWII and dropped them over england to cause inflation.
If loans were not available jserio your education instead of costing near about 500 a credit would cost 50 a credit. So you wont need 15K in grants or 3K in loans, your whole college cost would have been a whopping $1800 bucks.
Why is it 10 times more difficult to sell a 5K bike than a 2500 one. Cos there is 1/10th the number of people who have 5K in their bank account as there are with 2500 and that is among people who have wanted a bike for a while and are serious about saving for and getting one.
This is not any reference to any of you guys -> If you dont understand supply and demand, there is nothing that anyone can teach you that will ever translate into anything resembling sense. And its not just about money and college costs etc.
And I should tell you the current collection of geniuses who occupy all the important positions in the worlds economy do not. Which is why they talk about "creating affordable housing programs" etc. Of course the general population dont understand economics and talk of affordable housing gets them all fluttering with excitement and they have no clue the propping up of the market is what has made it unaffordable in the first place.
Cool.
Buddha.
I do agree Buddha that taking out 50k in loans for a job that's only going to pay you 30k is just crazy. I read awhile back of a girl who took out 200k(50k per year, 4 years) for a degree in Sociology. WTF??!!
Quote from: jserio on March 24, 2011, 02:16:43 PM
I do agree Buddha that taking out 50k in loans for a job that's only going to pay you 30k is just crazy. I read awhile back of a girl who took out 200k(50k per year, 4 years) for a degree in Sociology. WTF??!!
I Blame the multitude of "I'm going to college" ads. BTW in india there are 2 classes of colleges. One is called "professional" AKA, studying in one of those and getting good grades leave you with a fairly decent chance that you'd be employable @ graduation. Typically engineering, medicine and some fields of sciences like physics and math. The rest of the courses yea sociology is high on that list, so is literature and other crap like history and what not is typically fluff. Something that you study because you're forced to, as in you didn't get grades decent enough to make it to anywhere and you dont need to be sitting @ home looking like a bum, so you enrol in one of em and waste your time till you get ready to take over "daddy's business".
If you're poor and you study literature seriously you're not going to get anywhere unless you hit the lottery. However most all of it is quite inexpensive.
Cool.
Buddha.
ive heard some of the indian colleges were pretty good. you know off hand what a typical 4yr degree would run? say, pre med or somethign in that league
Ugg. I'm currently working in higher ed, on the business side. I wish our students were better informed.
Here's all you need to know about college in the USA:
1) Google "BLS," for Bureau of Labor Statistics. They maintain salary and job outlook information, as well as what's involved in the job. Have goal of paying no more on tuition/living expenses than you can make in the 1st year on the job. Also find something with a positive employment outlook
2) Google "IPEDS college navigator" to find schools in your area that cover the degree that you want, and note the tuition rates. Keep in mind cost of living e.g. don't go to college in NYC and expect to have a good cost of living when indexed against the Midwest.
3) Try to attend a state school or community college. Non-profit and for-profit colleges are more expensive b/c they are not subsidized by state taxes. You'll note this as you truck around in College Navigator.
That's it. If students did this little bit of work, they'd be way better off.
Want the best salary payoff / education costs? Become a nurse. No joke.
Everything else, the "keep your money and start a business" etc is another conversation entirely.
OK... I'll be the one to mention that education improves quality of life more than by increasing income. Who cares if you are broke when you are young and good looking.
Quote from: jserio on March 22, 2011, 02:38:24 PM
Finally done with my AAS. My major was Network Engineering Technician. I'm so freaking happy to be done! Now if I could only land gainful employment with my degree that would be even better eh? :cheers:
so basically you can build networks/ design them?, can you also do websites?, that is a good market. html is easy. plus if you get that HD job, you could set up another site to help them sell off unwanted inventory
Well, Vocational Rehab is paying for my education through my Bachelor's and if my grades are good enough they may even pay beyond. But, these days you gotta have more than a high school diploma to get above minimum wage. Being that I can't do my career before disability I'm not losing a whole lot and the thought of living on $12,000 a year for the rest of my life is not my cup of tea.
Mary
hell right now im prolly living on 200/mo after paying for my medications. SSA thinks im jus fine. :icon_rolleyes: been unemployed for a year yet i dont qualify for shaZam! >:( >:(