Does anyone know if this will fit? long story short I got really ripped off with my bike, and I need a new engine, and this one is the only one i can find for a reasonable price.
Thanks!
What happen to your engine?
If you are running fairings,you will have over heating issues.Only F model engines have oil coolers.Another issue is the tachometer.Yours is electrical and the 96 is driven off the head.Your engine has emissions equipment.The 96 doesn't.The 96 should bolt into the frame.
can parts from the old motor be used to allow for the later model oil cooler?
the oil appears to have never been changed, as it was thin and black, and heat had damaged the crank and one of the rods.
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well, the 1996 engine has been sold... So now it is back to the waiting game..... The question still remains though if a 96 model engine can take the oil cooler from a newer engine.
if ya know what your doing, buy any year engine and use the internals to rebuild the old after sending all the bits to a machine shop for some tender loving parts baths and decking. Or! order new parts (maybe slightly better parts) and really give the ole GS motor a once over. I would love to see some crazy headwork / high comp pistons and TI rods go into a GS. if ya can do the work yourself you might make out on a new engine and have one better than before.
I have no idea what I'm doing lol... All of the pics are from my mechanic. This was my first bike, and I got ripped off... Lesson learned, now i just really want to get the bike running again as soon as possible :( I only put about 20 miles on it before all hell broke loose...
You should dig into the parts fische. My understanding is that the F model oil pan is necessary to fit the oil cooler. Other parts may be required as well. If I were you, I'd check to see if the engine casings share the same part number, if not I doubt the engines will be compatible. It's possible that you could combine parts from the various engines to produce one that works; E.g. the F heads and oil pan with the E bottom end... But, I can't honestly advise.
Well, I bought a 2006 engine this morning off of ebay... Hopefully I didn't get ripped off this time.. Atleast with Ebay I can return it.
did ya get a steal on it? Now what ya should do while its out is do every bit of maintenance you can so that it plops right in and runs forever, also tinker on the old one and learn as much as you can about how everything inside them works, maybe even rebuild it for sale or later use. If you went crazy measuring everything inside (rod diameters and such) I'm sure there would be some people that would love the info.
Quote from: crzydood17 on June 13, 2011, 10:40:19 AM
did ya get a steal on it? Now what ya should do while its out is do every bit of maintenance you can so that it plops right in and runs forever, also tinker on the old one and learn as much as you can about how everything inside them works, maybe even rebuild it for sale or later use. If you went crazy measuring everything inside (rod diameters and such) I'm sure there would be some people that would love the info.
rebuild it to lose money???? no body will pay what it takes to rebuild a GS for the cost of parts, much less any labor. this is why everybody buys used engines be glad it's not a busa...they usually go for 1800-2500 for an engine KIT
measure everything??? why open the factory service man and everything is printed that you could want to know
i'm just asking
Offtopic but your photos have embedded GPS data from your iPhone and assuming you took them at home, they show your house. Just an FYI.
Quote from: jcroom on June 12, 2011, 06:03:29 PM
can parts from the old motor be used to allow for the later model oil cooler?
the oil appears to have never been changed, as it was thin and black, and heat had damaged the crank and one of the rods.
(http://croom.me/photo.JPG)
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O yea that will buff right out ... :cheers:
GS motor has become very very hard to come by ... but then its also obsolete, cbr 600 motor man, that where its @.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: werase643 on June 13, 2011, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: crzydood17 on June 13, 2011, 10:40:19 AM
did ya get a steal on it? Now what ya should do while its out is do every bit of maintenance you can so that it plops right in and runs forever, also tinker on the old one and learn as much as you can about how everything inside them works, maybe even rebuild it for sale or later use. If you went crazy measuring everything inside (rod diameters and such) I'm sure there would be some people that would love the info.
rebuild it to lose money???? no body will pay what it takes to rebuild a GS for the cost of parts, much less any labor. this is why everybody buys used engines be glad it's not a busa...they usually go for 1800-2500 for an engine KIT
measure everything??? why open the factory service man and everything is printed that you could want to know
i'm just asking
you learn things tinkering and measuring is always a great skill, and a rebuilt like new engine would be more for him not anyone else. fun things to do like machining the journals and putting a smaller diameter rod on the crank. Its all about learning, most people can unbolt the engine from the frame and put a new one in... not many can rebuild it to stock or better. Theres mechanics that swap and mechanics that rebuild... I fancy myself in the latter.
edit: nevermind
how much was your engine? I got one off ebay for like almost 1000 shipped, 09 crashed bike and only 4,000 miles and it turned out to be a good engine.
06 engine about 750 shipped 4k miles as well. Will be here Thursday really hoping it's a good one, as I am ready to go riding!
well.... the new engine got in today, 150 psi compression, 50 psi oil pressure. My mechanic is going to adjust the valves and then put the baby in... Hopefully I can get back to riding soon!
that thing will be a real power house 150 is very strong...
150psi is on the lower end of what is acceptable.Lower than 142psi and it's time to do some checking.If the valves are out of adjustment,that may be why the compression is low.
orly? damn i thought 150 was good on a cold engine... i know for a car 150 cold is pretty up there...
Quote from: crzydood17 on June 17, 2011, 08:22:11 PM
orly? damn i thought 150 was good on a cold engine... i know for a car 150 cold is pretty up there...
Motorcycles run just a tad higher comp ratio,9:1-12:1.Autos run 8:1-9.5:1.Some of the hipos run 10:1.Hemis can run 11:1 on premium pump gas because of the hemispherical chamber in the head.Well guess what,most motorcycles have been running hemi heads since their creation.Our bikes run hemispherical combustion chambers in the heads too.That's why the GS has splayed valves.The GS is roughly 9.5:1 or 9.75:1.I'd have to CC the heads and piston to know for sure.I'll have to do it on the next engine I build.I'll post up my findings then.
He did say the valves were way out of spec so...
suppose to do a hot compression test
my POS metro.... 192/194/195 not bad for a junker stock for new is 195
yes, it's a suzuki engine
By the way... I'd be interested in a few parts from your old engine, mostly related to the oil cooler. I'm looking to build a hybrid 500/450 engine at some point for my race bike, and I'd be willing to experiment in the process.
I am most likely going to part out the engine... So I can PM you in a few days once I get some things sorted.
I am happy to report the new engine is running like a champ! Went for a good ride today and it was awesome. :cheers: