Tell that to the cop who clocked me at 107mph trying to get from one office to another late for a meeting yesterday. :police:
squid.
Kidding, but you are KidSixteen and you're posint about running 107 ...
Cool.
Buddha.
still slow unless your offices are a quarter mile from each other.
Squid. Grow up.
its all fun and games until the minivan side swipes you and we are reading your obituary.
Oh god. Save me the squid comments. I've been riding for over a decade and if any of you can say you've never broken the speed limit trying to make it to work on time you're full of sh*t.
WOT on a wide open highway in the middle of the afternoon w/ nobody on it... late to work... not swerving through traffic at 107 during rush hour.
The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'... but tone doesn't translate well on the internet.
What is a squid???
I guess you live in canada or something...
I thought in the US, a ticket over 100mph was an automatic "go to jail, have to pay bail" thing. Or maybe thats just california?
In Florida it's anything over 31 MPH above the speed limit
Quote from: kidsixteen on October 27, 2011, 11:15:07 AM
Oh god. Save me the squid comments. I've been riding for over a decade and if any of you can say you've never broken the speed limit trying to make it to work on time you're full of sh*t.
WOT on a wide open highway in the middle of the afternoon w/ nobody on it... late to work... not swerving through traffic at 107 during rush hour.
The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'... but tone doesn't translate well on the internet.
Personally haven't liked a job to speed TO work. Being late is like meh, no one cares. Just waltz in and say hi, carry on etc
107 and you weren't taken to jail ? That's a cool copper !
Quote from: Phil B on October 27, 2011, 11:46:37 AM
I guess you live in canada or something...
I thought in the US, a ticket over 100mph was an automatic "go to jail, have to pay bail" thing. Or maybe thats just california?
Couldn't be Canada... he said miles per hour... not kilometers.
And in Ontario at least, anything 50kph/31mph over the limit is auto suspension and impound vehicle.
At the local track, I've got severial GPS confirmed readings of 102-103. At the same spot, I'll usually see an indicated 140 on the 600 I used to ride there, though my best speed was ~150.
Here's a duel with a BMW S1000RR @ Sears Point. I felt like the GS was pretty fast in this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlTtDLHIyY
Do 40km over in Australia and it's loss of license for 6 month. Cannot recall what amount over is auto loss of license for 10 years, $10,000 fine, bit of jail time and loss of vehicle as well (might be 100kph over) :dunno_black:
Dude, speeding for work is pointless, no matter how late you are. Work will still be there. In fact, whatever you are in a rush for will still be there - accept maybe trying to get to a hospital before someone passes on. As such, the risks for speeding far outweigh the benefits and the time saving is miniscule. When you mature enough and your Sense Of Urgency leaves you, you will understand this, in the meantime you'll think this post is having a go at you.
"Hello?"
"Hey, it's kidsixteen, I'll be late for the meeting"
"Okay, see you when you get here"
How long you have been riding has no bearing on the above.
Michael
In Minnesota, you could go to jail, or just giving a ticket, all depends. I've never brought someone to jail for speeding tho.
with speeding comes tickets. with tickets comes fines, court fees, raised insurance, etc.. not to mention the increased consequences of your mistakes
an architect i use to work with put it in pretty good terms for me. he asked only one simple question, "if you get a ticket rushing save a couple minutes, how many hours will you have to work to pay it off?"
Quote from: Phil B on October 27, 2011, 11:46:37 AM
I guess you live in canada or something...
I thought in the US, a ticket over 100mph was an automatic "go to jail, have to pay bail" thing. Or maybe thats just california?
He wrote it down to 97 to keep from having to take me to jail.
Quote from: ohgood on October 27, 2011, 11:53:58 AM
Personally haven't liked a job to speed TO work. Being late is like meh, no one cares. Just waltz in and say hi, carry on etc
107 and you weren't taken to jail ? That's a cool copper !
Quote from: mister on October 27, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
Dude, speeding for work is pointless, no matter how late you are. Work will still be there. In fact, whatever you are in a rush for will still be there - accept maybe trying to get to a hospital before someone passes on. As such, the risks for speeding far outweigh the benefits and the time saving is miniscule. When you mature enough and your Sense Of Urgency leaves you, you will understand this, in the meantime you'll think this post is having a go at you.
"Hello?"
"Hey, it's kidsixteen, I'll be late for the meeting"
"Okay, see you when you get here"
How long you have been riding has no bearing on the above.
Michael
Agreed, except I was rushing from an ops meeting at one office with my team to a board meeting I was partially hosting for the venture capitalists who own our companies and haven't met me yet.
To be honest, I'll probably expense the damn ticket.
Stoked I didn't go to jail... I honestly didn't think this lil-guy had triple digits in him in the first place... if I were on a ninja 250 w/ the throttle wide open like that I woulda prolly been going the speed limit and it would feel like I was in triple digits..
For some reason it's way easier for me to stay near the speed limit on a Ducati w/ double the HP/Tq than it is on the GS. Which is a bummer, cause the whole reason I got it was to be a slow little commuter bike that I couldn't get in too much trouble with..
That was 4 months ago... since then I bought two and a half more GS's and have probably ridden the Duc like ten times as compared to the 2k miles I've put on my original GS.
hmmm 1% :icon_rolleyes:
It's good when coppers do that, write you down in the lessor catagory. As mister said 40 over the limit and your done for 6 months plus a fine, and it's up to the officer if he impounds your car under the hoon laws for 48 hrs, 3 months, or forfeit to the state depending if it's your first, second, or third offense.
From ghostrider.
"What is a squid"
Squid are cephalopods of the order Teuthida, which comprises around 300 species. Like all other cephalopods, squid have a distinct head, bilateral symmetry, a mantle, and arms. Squid, like cuttlefish, have eight arms arranged in pairs and two, usually longer, tentacles. Squid are strong swimmers and certain species can 'fly' for short distances out of the water.
Note; A squid is the only cephalopod or Mollusk capable of riding a motorcycle.
Off topic but what sort of Ducati are you riding?
So did you make it on time to the meeting?
Quote from: Twisted on October 27, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
Off topic but what sort of Ducati are you riding?
:bowdown: '04 900SS
Quote from: bubba zanetti on October 27, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
So did you make it on time to the meeting?
Like 5 minutes late, but the stakeholders all got a kick out of the story... so it worked out as an icebreaker and the meeting went super well. (thanks for asking!)
SQUID: Noun. Person who rides motorcycle with girlfriend on rear seat with no protective gear then does wheelie and loses bike only to be more concerned about the bike (flipping down the road flying into pieces) than the girlfriend (with half her skin stuck to the pavement).
Quote from: kidsixteen on October 27, 2011, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: Twisted on October 27, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
Off topic but what sort of Ducati are you riding?
:bowdown: '04 900SS
Nice one :thumb:
I am riding an 03 Monster 1000ie.
SQUID: Super Quick Until I Die
SQUID: A young motorcyclist who overestimates his abilities, boasts of his riding skills when in reality he has none. Squid bikes are usually decorated with chrome and various anodized bits. Rear tyres are too wide for their own good, swingarm extended. Really slow in the corners, and sudden bursts of acceleration when a straight appears. Squids wear no protection, deeming themselves invincible. This fact compounds intself with the fact that they engage in 'extreem riding'--performing wheelies and stoppies in public areas. Squids wreck alot. Derived from 'squirly kid'
http://www.acronymfinder.com/Super-Quick-Until-I-Die-%28motorcycling-slang%29-%28SQUID%29.html (http://www.acronymfinder.com/Super-Quick-Until-I-Die-%28motorcycling-slang%29-%28SQUID%29.html)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squid (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squid)
Now, if it'd been double the speed limit I would have been impressed. You must try harder grasshopper.
If you'd been caught here in Australia doing that speed you would have to leave your bike on the side of the road and the coppers would have taken you to the lockup for a beating with rubber hoses.
100mph hasn't been considered fast for a bike since the old 'Ton Up' days. Modern Superbikes will get up around the 200mph mark. Your GS500 will not. You own a slow motorcycle, which you are lucky to not have had impounded.
Quote from: bubba zanetti on October 27, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
Now, if it'd been double the speed limit I would have been impressed. You must try harder grasshopper.
If you'd been caught here in Australia doing that speed you would have to leave your bike on the side of the road and the coppers would have taken you to the lockup for a beating with rubber hoses.
Does ~100MPH over the speed limit count..?
Quote from: burning1 on October 27, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: bubba zanetti on October 27, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
Now, if it'd been double the speed limit I would have been impressed. You must try harder grasshopper.
If you'd been caught here in Australia doing that speed you would have to leave your bike on the side of the road and the coppers would have taken you to the lockup for a beating with rubber hoses.
Does ~100MPH over the speed limit count..?
As long as it's on the highway and not in town.
Quote from: burning1 on October 27, 2011, 12:02:52 PM
At the local track, I've got severial GPS confirmed readings of 102-103. At the same spot, I'll usually see an indicated 140 on the 600 I used to ride there, though my best speed was ~150.
Here's a duel with a BMW S1000RR @ Sears Point. I felt like the GS was pretty fast in this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlTtDLHIyY
Dude I just wanna say that your videos are awesome as hell, and make me wanna take mine to the track. :)
hmm, so you like work, and like talking about work, but never really talk about what 'work' is... c'mon squidly mc squid, what's all the hubub ?
Quote from: kidsixteen on October 27, 2011, 11:15:07 AM
Oh god. Save me the squid comments. I've been riding for over a decade and if any of you can say you've never broken the speed limit trying to make it to work on time you're full of sh*t.
WOT on a wide open highway in the middle of the afternoon w/ nobody on it... late to work... not swerving through traffic at 107 during rush hour.
The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'... but tone doesn't translate well on the internet.
+1
Oh please. We all ride for the thrill and the speed of it. There's a certain "danger" to riding and its why we do it. How many times have you told someone you ride and they say "you're crazy, thats so dangerous" ... Im not saying speed all day every day...but cracking it now and again is why we ride. Else you may as well remove every thread on this board about performance upgrades and what not and put a governor on your bike...
SQUID: Super Quick Until I Die
Makes sense
Quote from: fraze11 on October 28, 2011, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: kidsixteen on October 27, 2011, 11:15:07 AM
Oh god. Save me the squid comments. I've been riding for over a decade and if any of you can say you've never broken the speed limit trying to make it to work on time you're full of sh*t.
WOT on a wide open highway in the middle of the afternoon w/ nobody on it... late to work... not swerving through traffic at 107 during rush hour.
The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'... but tone doesn't translate well on the internet.
+1
Oh please. We all ride for the thrill and the speed of it. There's a certain "danger" to riding and its why we do it. How many times have you told someone you ride and they say "you're crazy, thats so dangerous" ... Im not saying speed all day every day...but cracking it now and again is why we ride. Else you may as well remove every thread on this board about performance upgrades and what not and put a governor on your bike...
Agreed.
Also, LOL at people thinking 107 is "super quick" when guys on liters do around twice that.
Quote from: burning1 on October 27, 2011, 12:02:52 PM
Here's a duel with a BMW S1000RR @ Sears Point. I felt like the GS was pretty fast in this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNlTtDLHIyY
nice. PS: the B class sucks. I could do better than them I bet :D
PPS: so what are these "skills you could only develop on a larger bike"?
Squid: fast in a straight line, has to stop to turn (read: no skill).
107mph. A 250 ninja will easily do 95, and 95 will still get you a ticket. And, I used to routinely go 125mph (112 corrected).
Quote from: fraze11 on October 28, 2011, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: kidsixteen on October 27, 2011, 11:15:07 AM
Oh god. Save me the squid comments. I've been riding for over a decade and if any of you can say you've never broken the speed limit trying to make it to work on time you're full of sh*t.
WOT on a wide open highway in the middle of the afternoon w/ nobody on it... late to work... not swerving through traffic at 107 during rush hour.
The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'... but tone doesn't translate well on the internet.
+1
Oh please. We all ride for the thrill and the speed of it. There's a certain "danger" to riding and its why we do it. How many times have you told someone you ride and they say "you're crazy, thats so dangerous" ... Im not saying speed all day every day...but cracking it now and again is why we ride. Else you may as well remove every thread on this board about performance upgrades and what not and put a governor on your bike...
Nope...I don't agree...I ride for the excitement of accelleration, not speed :icon_twisted: ...I've never really been into speed :police: ...maintaining speed through a corner (leaning the bike over :thumb: ), accellerating away from a stop...but not outright top speed...my normal speeds are +10 to +15% over the limit...I use speed and accelleration when passing, but not to "make up time"...
I have no problem with people that do enjoy it, but make sure it is when there is no one else around...if you are going to crash (not saying that you will but...), don't take anyone else with you...I do have a problem when guys/gals are blasting along through traffic, even if it is in a clear lane...you never know when someone will change lanes in front of you...(or take offense and chase you down...my truck will go faster than your GS...search the YouTube vids, there's lots of NUTJOBS out there)
Just use caution when enjoying the performance available to you on your bike!!
(I call Bu!!s#it on this one... "The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'..."...or you wouldn't have titled the thread "To anybody who thinks our bikes are slow..." :icon_razz: )
Later.
Quote from: madjak30 on October 28, 2011, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: fraze11 on October 28, 2011, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: kidsixteen on October 27, 2011, 11:15:07 AM
Oh god. Save me the squid comments. I've been riding for over a decade and if any of you can say you've never broken the speed limit trying to make it to work on time you're full of sh*t.
WOT on a wide open highway in the middle of the afternoon w/ nobody on it... late to work... not swerving through traffic at 107 during rush hour.
The post was more a 'f*ck I got a speeding ticket' than 'look how fast I was going'... but tone doesn't translate well on the internet.
+1
Oh please. We all ride for the thrill and the speed of it. There's a certain "danger" to riding and its why we do it. How many times have you told someone you ride and they say "you're crazy, thats so dangerous" ... Im not saying speed all day every day...but cracking it now and again is why we ride. Else you may as well remove every thread on this board about performance upgrades and what not and put a governor on your bike...
Nope...I don't agree...I ride for the excitement of accelleration, not speed :icon_twisted: ...I've never really been into speed :police: ...maintaining speed through a corner (leaning the bike over :thumb: ), accellerating away from a stop...but not outright top speed...my normal speeds are +10 to +15% over the limit...I use speed and accelleration when passing, but not to "make up time"...
I have no problem with people that do enjoy it, but make sure it is when there is no one else around...if you are going to crash (not saying that you will but...), don't take anyone else with you...I do have a problem when guys/gals are blasting along through traffic, even if it is in a clear lane...you never know when someone will change lanes in front of you...(or take offense and chase you down...my truck will go faster than your GS...search the YouTube vids, there's lots of NUTJOBS out there)
/snipped
I totally agree with MadJak on this one.
I use the GS to commute 9 months a year, and the occasional road trip.
I have NEVER gone more than 20% over the limit (usually to pass).
It has never been a concern for my skill... it the other drivers out there!
Lane changes with out signal, pull out of side streets, drifting out of lanes.
I'm addicted to playing with torque... loved the torque on the Buell XB1200 I demo'd last year.
Keep the silly speed shenanigans for the track,
CliffHanger
Quote from: Phil B on October 28, 2011, 08:18:35 AMnice. PS: the B class sucks. I could do better than them I bet :D
PPS: so what are these "skills you could only develop on a larger bike"?
Most people say that until they get out on the track. :)
There are a few big differences between riding a GS and riding a faster bike. The most obvious one is that the GS500 is cornering clearance limited, but delivers enough grip that it's generally possible to keep the throttle wide open at maximum lean angle. Try that on even a 600 and you're on your head.
The differences in power necessitate different braking strategy and lines.
There are also a lot of corners that just don't really 'exist' on the GS - I enter with the throttle wide open, and never brake or even roll off the gas.
Quote from: mister on October 27, 2011, 12:08:51 PM
Do 40km over in Australia and it's loss of license for 6 month. Cannot recall what amount over is auto loss of license for 10 years, $10,000 fine, bit of jail time and loss of vehicle as well (might be 100kph over) :dunno_black:
Did you see this one from the other day?
NSW rider beats a 149km/h in 60 zone charge it cost $60,000 (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/lidar-doesnt-lie-speed-tickets-stick-after-bikers-barrister-father-wins-the-day-20111027-1mljg.html)
Lets pretend he was caught doing 89km/h over the speed limit, the cop still didn't take his licence lol.
I live in the area, and got done for 30km/h over the speed limit, which I know for a fact that I wasn't doing, but then I read that story above, and now I wish I contested the fine and got to see the footage.
Quote from: burning1 on October 28, 2011, 07:21:37 PM
There are a few big differences between riding a GS and riding a faster bike. The most obvious one is that the GS500 is cornering clearance limited, but delivers enough grip that it's generally possible to keep the throttle wide open at maximum lean angle. Try that on even a 600 and you're on your head..
Any idea why that is? or why that is better?
I would think that, since a 600 is LIGHTER, and has newer tech tires, AND fancy-schmancy suspension, it should theoretically be able to outcorner a gs500, if they were at matched speed.
Is it basically that the 600 riders dont have enough fine throttle control, so they wimp out on the safe side, rather than matching your speed on a particular tight turn?
Or I think I read that fatter tires, actually reduce your lean angle potential. If so... then why do people often choose to "upgrade" a gs500 to wider tires, and thus theoretically reduce their track cornering? !! ??
Quote from: burning1 on October 28, 2011, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: Phil B on October 28, 2011, 08:18:35 AMnice. PS: the B class sucks. I could do better than them I bet :D
Most people say that until they get out on the track. :)
PS:
yea, but I'm a Gran Turismo pro! :icon_mrgreen:
ha-ha.. but kinda true too. It's given me pretty good ability to plan smooth cornering.
The guys i was following around the canyon last month, thought I'd been riding for years, when we stopped afterwards to have a chat. They were surprised I was keeping up with them.
(They're track regulars)
Quote from: Phil B on October 28, 2011, 08:14:59 PMAny idea why that is? or why that is better?
I would think that, since a 600 is LIGHTER, and has newer tech tires, AND fancy-schmancy suspension, it should theoretically be able to outcorner a gs500, if they were at matched speed.
Is it basically that the 600 riders dont have enough fine throttle control, so they wimp out on the safe side, rather than matching your speed on a particular tight turn?
Or I think I read that fatter tires, actually reduce your lean angle potential. If so... then why do people often choose to "upgrade" a gs500 to wider tires, and thus theoretically reduce their track cornering? !! ??
The people riding at local trackdays don't have the experience or the skill of the local racers. The seasoned guys on the 600s can out-brake, out-corner, and out-accelerate me... The only advantage the GS has there is that the overall speeds are slower, giving me a little more confidence and room for error. I don't have to deal with an entry speed of 150MPH into turn 1 at T-Hill, they do.
The GS500 can corner WFO throttle because it doesn't have much power, and because the CV carbs are relatively smooth. I make ~35-40HP at the rear wheel, where the 600s make 100+, and the literbikes make >150. Because they have more power, they can use different lines than I do; lines that are actually a little safer. But they can't go wide open at maximum lean angle.
The tires on the GS race bike are actually pretty good, BTW. There are full on race tires in 110/70/17 for the front, and the BT003RS 140/70/17 rear works really well - it's a special extra soft compound, so more like a race tire than a street tire. On my particular bike, I have a GSX-R 600 front end, and a R6 rear shock. They both work really well.
I believe that the GS is lighter than the typical 600 in race trim. It doesn't weigh in at 250lbs like the 2 strokes, but I believe it comes in around the mid 300s, so I have perhaps a 50lb advantage. I'd have to weigh it to see.
One thing about the GS, and the other lightweight bikes... They punish mistakes. I don't have the ability to power out of a mistake, so when I do something stupid, I notice it immediately. It makes for a steep learning curve, but I improve quickly because of it.
Because the GS doesn't have huge amounts of power, I learn to corner while accelerating hard. Most of the B group and a lot of the A group 600s don't do that. There are a lot of places on the track where I don't roll off at all; for example, in the 'chasing the 600s video' you can see how quickly I catch up going into Turn 1 (the left hand turn after the long straight.) Most of the 600s slow down there, I just keep it pinned. It took some time to develop that kind of confidence, but after developing it it became an incredible tool to compete against faster bikes.
Being competitive while racing means learning how much lean angle I can use, so I have an advantage as a rider there. The bike isn't really better, I just happen to be able to be confident to lean further than a lot of the B group and A group guys.
Hey the lean angle is clearance limited?
Can't that be helped by changing the stock footrests? Those things are HUGE
burning1, sounds like you're basically agreeing with me. To summarize:
1. 600s make the rider sloppy
2. the class B guys suck: they're all sloppy 600 guys ;-)
Also, (although oddly I cant find it again), you mention that the "faster" bikes, approach the turns at higher speed, but enter them at lower speeds than you do.
From which I infer, that they are basically suffering from the lack of a speedo.
Whereas the "more experienced" guys have learned to tell speeds more accurately by eyeball
(or they're smart enough to convert RPMs to groundspeed in their heads. Or do you have to cover over your tach as well?)
No one uses their speedo to set cornering speed unless they want to ride off the edge of the track; it's all done by eyeball and experience, even for the slower riders. A lot of it comes down to confidence.
Quote from: rayshon on October 28, 2011, 09:09:38 PM
Hey the lean angle is clearance limited?
Can't that be helped by changing the stock footrests? Those things are HUGE
I've been able to push off getting aftermarket rearsets by working on my BP. Hardly scrape them at all anymore, but yeah, with the right race tires, I'll need to free up a little more clearance.
Well, that generated a lot of interest.
Most bikes can go faster than you can handle them.
Use what you have to its Maximum. If you want to go faster with what you have, get Good Tires, and take a Performance Driving Course.
Being able to do 107 mph with a mile long straight way doesn't make the bike fast. :laugh:
It can actually go up close to 115 (matched by the speedos on 2 cars escorting on either side) though... with a LOOOOONG road and the rider FULLY tucked in :thumb:
Whole topic of people scolding the OP for going fast. Pretty sad. Good work getting the bike up that high OP. I wouldn't do it in a GS500. The brakes and suspension scare me.
Quote from: rayshon on October 28, 2011, 09:09:38 PM
Hey the lean angle is clearance limited?
Can't that be helped by changing the stock footrests? Those things are HUGE
It's not just limited in that way. It's also limited because the noodles Suzuki gave us as stock suspension make predicting corner entry much harder from braking. Not a big deal for someone doing some chain runs on twisties or commuting to work and back, but if you try to brake hard before a turn and don't let your suspension settle before you lean you'll be in for a surprise.
Quote from: tb0lt on October 29, 2011, 08:28:12 PM
Being able to do 107 mph with a mile long straight way doesn't make the bike fast. :laugh:
It can actually go up close to 115 (matched by the speedos on 2 cars escorting on either side) though... with a LOOOOONG road and the rider FULLY tucked in :thumb:
Tailwind? Turbo? Drafting?
I've GPS verified before, 115 wasn't possible.
Hell NY drz has shown 93 on the speedometer before, still means nothing.
mate was done in nsw at 200kph so 120 mph, didnt get car locked up or anything, yet instant licence suspention for 28 days(was told thats the longest on the spot suspention they can give yet it will be greatly extended when in court and the fine and sentance will be worked out then, and a court notice, so court was ment for 2 weeks later and was put off even longer so he could drive again 28 days later, then went doing 10kph over the limit decided to pull chase, had a tyre blow out, this time it was straight to lock up, no bail, in jail for 3 months before court case, and after about $18000 in court costs, legal fees etc he got a 21 month suspended sentance and no licence for 10 years
WOW, you gents don't play around down there do you. In the states the systems baby feeds everyone and with a good lawyer you can get out of anything here. Wish our laws were a bit stricter, maybe then we would have so many a##ho#es on the road.
Do you find that even with the laws you have ppl break them anyway?
you can get away with a lot here, if you want to spend the cash for a good lawyer, if you get a legal aid appointed one, ure basiclly asking the judge to rape you. However if you pay for a decent one you can generally get a favourable outcome for most one sided things like driving offences, as in he paid almost $20K so he didnt serve his full sentance behind bars, had he not paid that and just went with legal aid then he would of been behind bars for 2 years or more, as his was driving in a manner dangerous, driving in excess of 45 kph over the posted limit. (2 counts or each), disobeaying a traffic signal, failure to stop at red light, and failure to stop when directed.
now with a new law that passed a bit after that, just failure to stop will almost garrentee jail time.
but yeah, ppl still get caught all the time.