Just a thought I have whenever I see Spiked motorcycle parts.
Like one example: Spiked bar ends.
as if ppl have enough already to worry about when they wipe.
those who use parts like that have to worry about being Skewered by their own motorcycle. haha
This woman thinks it isn't
(http://i.imgur.com/IpJom.jpg)
Nooooooo!
(barf) not that pic again! haha
THE HORROR! :technical:
Quote from: Tombstones81 on November 14, 2011, 06:47:05 PM
Nooooooo!
(barf) not that pic again! haha
THE HORROR! :technical:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:\
And that was a fast reply :icon_lol:
Just a thought, but this is a very interesting question.
We (Us) Motorcycle Drivers has so many things we Should be aware of that we Should not let ourselves get distracted from what we are doing. One slight loss of concentration and we are likely to pay dearly. We not only have to be concerned about our driving, but also those other (Nuts) who are in a cage, eating a sandwich, while texting, etc., etc.
The whole idea of driving has become very laxadasical. Remember folks, we are riding unprotected at 60mph/100kph and that hurts when you have to lay down the machine.
Be Careful Out There !
Barrie, you ride a bike, you don't drive it.
I just have to say, that this is a terrible thing to do, giving examples of irresponsible riding like that.
That woman should be wearing a HELMET!
That's just unforgivable, Yuri.
Yeah, wear a helmet like these girls do...
(http://images.stuffofawesome.com/another-pic-of-russian-motorcycle-girl-found-now-in-schoolgirl-outfit--1315368009-6747.jpg)
(http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/7439.jpg)
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8207/heels.jpg)
They are safe while the men behind run off the road after being Distracted :icon_mrgreen:
Michael
hahaha
& nice friggin footwear
When you buy your spiked bar ends make sure you get these to go with them - (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/icecreamhands/1.jpg?t=1321343505)
Yeah make sure you get your spikes on....
(http://www.ironbikeworx.com/zc/bmz_cache/4/406c4d40f9ba8d3dd373726c825e5a78.image.500x500.jpg)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~jschaerer/spikewintalfront.jpg)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~rschaerer818/spikebolttalllicense2.jpg)
Nothing dangerous there. Move along move along...
Michael
If the spikes don't get you the heat of summer while wearing all your gear will.
I would just like to point out: the 3 girls are wearing helmets (which are probably required by law wherever they are). But all 3 are also going the extra mile and wearing gloves!
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I dont think thats proper foot wear though. Foot wear is just as important as the rest. You should have all of your safety gear on every time your going for a ride........now.....having said this, get some more pics of those hot girls on them bikes. NICE!
:thumb:
First, pic is of an Asian dude I'd put $20 on it.
I live in Florida and wear ATGATT even in August. It isn't a big deal as long as you rehydrate. I'm in stage III heart failure with no issues. Sure, I sweat but that is what a shower is for :thumb: Sweat washes off road rash well they can wash it (aka debride) but that ain't gonna take it away! Plus it is very expensive!
Mary
First pic and second pic are the same bike. So I think it's a ....woman.
And in their defense they need the high heels to keep the bike level. So unless they lower the bike or find decked riding boots, a woman's got to improvise. :icon_lol:
Quote from: seamax on November 15, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
First pic and second pic are the same bike. So I think it's a ....woman.
And in their defense they need the high heels to keep the bike level. So unless they lower the bike or find decked riding boots, a woman's got to improvise. :icon_lol:
First and second pic I posted are the same woman, in Russia.
Michael
Wimps. Here's how it's done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44zkv8S7uQc
If you notice the GS before the naked woman riding it, I have some bad news for you.
^^^ hahaha
and probably the most dangerous one imo
these, especially when faced upward on the right side of the bike Right next to the rider.
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b165/Chronno1201/safe_imagephp.jpg)
reminds me.
the way I landed on my bike when I wiped early in the season.
if I was riding something with one of those either facing forward or upwards.
not joking, it would have went right into my chest or stomach.
A friend of mine with whom I started riding with at the same time (ie got Ls and Ps and full license together) has spikes all over his Ninja. He has found on full lock he stabs his hands. He wears a helmet, hornee jeans, boots and occasionally gloves. He also has done less then 3000kms since we have both been riding (as he has had the same bike from new the whole time) and I've done closing in on 45,000kms. Shows the difference of attitude.
He bought a bike for look, pose, coolness factor.
I bought I bike cause I've always wanted one, I enjoy ridding/now addicted to ridding, its cheap transport and it is cooler looking than cars (well some). Reasons are in that order.
Yes I don't mind being a poser occasionally.
Posing can be fun but not a cool look when your melting. Still would never trade gear for the sake of fashion
Quote from: aussiegs on November 15, 2011, 06:26:51 PM
Posing can be fun but not a cool look when your melting. Still would never trade gear for the sake of fashion
I have never had a problem with riding even on the hottest days. I have a mesh jacket for summer and leather for the rest of the year. It is only hot when you stop and that is only for a lil while. But then again I don't commute on a bike so I can not comment to much.
Even when it is hot, sitting in the traffic isn't a biggie. It's not like you're doing physical activity while waiting for the lights to change. Suck it up for a minute or so, then ride into the hot air and get semi cooled. All good :thumb:
Michael
Riding is the ultimate form of gambling. The stakes being your life.
Quote from: scratch on November 29, 2011, 09:40:19 AM
Riding is the ultimate form of gambling. The stakes being your life.
If you think riding is a gamble you're probably a horrible rider.
that is one of the most naive things i've ever read mcninja.. are you just saying this stuff to start drama wars? please stop.
if you really think riding isn't a gamble, i'd hate to see you on a poker table :icon_lol:
Quote from: scratch on November 29, 2011, 09:40:19 AM
Riding is the ultimate form of gambling. The stakes being your life.
It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A42F6gGDIU4/TjBdUW5QwuI/AAAAAAAADnM/rifGkBaMxOM/s400/lord-of-the-rings.jpg)
Though I'd tend to think parachuting or base jumping are more of the Ultimate Gamble. Or maybe rockclimbing without ropes or doing like that spiderman dude and climbing buildings without rope. Far more ultimate gambles than hopping on a motorcycle and riding it.
Michael
this comment is related to motorcycles being ultimate gamble: my godfather loved motorcycles as much as I do. He died in a car accident...
I am not trying to start the war, all I am saying is that you have to be very careful on the road, and sometimes even if you are careful things just happen. That's life. That's why accidents are called accidents. By the way, my godfather was not driving.
Riding is a gamble but the risks are more calculated then say base jumping. You get training in a safe environment, you (well most people) wear safety gear to minimise the risk, you regularly maintain the bike to make it predictable, you hopefully ride in a safe manner to increase the buffer in your calculated risks. It's still a risk (gamble) for the unknowns are the other road users but calculated down to be a lower risk than some other activities.
Quote from: Shaddow on November 29, 2011, 05:54:59 PM
Riding is a gamble but the risks are more calculated then say base jumping. You get training in a safe environment, you (well most people) wear safety gear to minimise the risk, you regularly maintain the bike to make it predictable, you hopefully ride in a safe manner to increase the buffer in your calculated risks. It's still a risk (gamble) for the unknowns are the other road users but calculated down to be a lower risk than some other activities.
A gamble is NOT a calculated risk.
Everyone's argument based on a gamble being a calculated risk are completely invalid.
Gamble - an enterprise undertaken or attempted with a risk of loss and a chance of profit or success
Calculated Risk - a chance of failure, the probability of which is estimated before some action is undertaken.
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I think riding is more of a calculated risk than a gamble. Everyone who rides has at least some idea of what is involved and what the consequences of failure are. They then make a calculation that the benefit is greater than the risk.
It can also be a gamble, but falls more into the calculated risk category.
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on November 29, 2011, 06:27:51 PM
A gamble is NOT a calculated risk.
Everyone's argument based on a gamble being a calculated risk are completely invalid.
Are you familiar with the English language? GAMBLE is a SYNONYM for RISK.
Gamble and risk while having slight different meanings in application they are still talking about the same thing. Risk being outcome, gambling being the activity.
Your gambling you life based on a calculated risk. Base jumping has calculated risks, you look at the area, work out if there is enough height for your chute to open etc. Everything is still calculated when you go into a casino to bet its just calculated not in your favor but someone has still sat down and down the math and so have you at some level of your thought patterns.
Every day when you gamble with simple things your brain is still calculating the risk to see it is in favor or against. The risk are the outcomes, the gamble is the activity, so in effect the two are inclusive.
Quote from: Shaddow on November 29, 2011, 07:12:54 PM
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on November 29, 2011, 06:27:51 PM
A gamble is NOT a calculated risk.
Everyone's argument based on a gamble being a calculated risk are completely invalid.
Are you familiar with the English language? GAMBLE is a SYNONYM for RISK.
Gamble and risk while having slight different meanings in application they are still talking about the same thing. Risk being outcome, gambling being the activity.
Your gambling you life based on a calculated risk. Base jumping has calculated risks, you look at the area, work out if there is enough height for your chute to open etc. Everything is still calculated when you go into a casino to bet its just calculated not in your favor but someone has still sat down and down the math and so have you at some level of your thought patterns.
Every day when you gamble with simple things your brain is still calculating the risk to see it is in favor or against. The risk are the outcomes, the gamble is the activity, so in effect the two are inclusive.
Since we're basically trying to create a link between two words that imply one another but carry two whole intrinsically different meanings...
Apparently I'm the only one who understands that gambling implies tremendous risk for very little chance of gain.
That doesn't define motorcycling at all. It's a risk, but a very small one compared to your odds at a casino game. If you think differently, you probably should clear the road for better motorcyclists. Old motorcyclists aren't old by luck. They're old because they developed life-saving skills and strong decision making, neither of which can help you in a true "gamble". Before you do it, don't try to break down each possible event (left-turner, etc) to prove that motorcycling is risky enough to call a gamble. It never will be. Take a peak at casino odds (particularly your odds of losing any given hand), and the odds of you crashing and getting seriously hurt. You'll find the risk of you getting hurt is a few hundred orders smaller than the casino odds.
Yes, to paraphrase....
It's a dangerous business, going out your door...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A42F6gGDIU4/TjBdUW5QwuI/AAAAAAAADnM/rifGkBaMxOM/s400/lord-of-the-rings.jpg)
Michael
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on November 30, 2011, 01:38:48 AM
Apparently I'm the only one who understands that gambling implies tremendous risk for very little chance of gain.
Do you have a source for this statement? I can't really find anything that seems to even imply that in order for something to be gambling, it has to be high (or even tremendous) risk for very little chance of gain. That just is not the definition of gambling.
Even at a casino, the house is still "gambling" despite the fact that they have the advantage on odds.
I get what you are trying to say - that riding isn't as dangerous as the phrase "ultimate gamble" makes it sound - and while I agree with that statement, arguing the semantics of "gamble" incorrectly doesn't help your argument at all.
To me, it sounds like everyone is in agreement here and the only thing being argued about is the definition of what "gambling" is.
Oh yeah, gambling is risky business indeed...
(http://gamblingblogguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/wpid-1273876125_gambling12.jpg)
Michael
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/risk
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gambling
When in doubt RTFM. Even aside from the strict definition gambling has a connotation that implies a level of uncontrollable likelihood of loss not present with the term risk.
Lol, I was thinking of replacing my bar ends with those spikes, but that's just because they were cheap and the only ones in stock and mine are bent on both sides.
@Cyall you have hit the nail with your one comment
Quote from: cyall on November 30, 2011, 09:42:36 PM
Even aside from the strict definition gambling has a connotation that implies a level of uncontrollable likelihood of loss not present with the term risk.
People have added their own meanings and connotations to the words. Its why some believe a gamble doesn't involve risks (hmmm okay) and risks doesn't involve betting (might be not money could be I'm betting my job or license.) I believe I'm agreeing with you just to be sure there.
@Dr.McNinja I'm implying you don't understand the English Language.
This is what M&W say gambling is:
a : to play a game for money or property
b : to bet on an uncertain outcome
2: to stake something on a contingency : take a chance
transitive verb
The definitions of risk is as follows:
: possibility of loss or injury : peril
2
: someone or something that creates or suggests a hazard
3
a : the chance of loss or the perils to the subject matter of an insurance contract; also : the degree of probability of such loss
b : a person or thing that is a specified hazard to an insurer
c : an insurance hazard from a specified cause or source <war risk>
4
: the chance that an investment (as a stock or commodity) will lose value
Now looking at the definitions I would place motorcycling into the "risk" catagory over "gamble" just saying.
Mary
I had this whole argument in my head about internet dictionaries not following the stricter proofing of their ancestors, synonyms and the fact dictionaries are now updated to reflect popular slang and beliefs meaning words taught to your parents or older forum members have actually changed but you know what, time for a new topic. My ride with several hundred possibly thousand riders today showed me that for some, based on the above definition from Mary, riding isn't a risk it is a gamble and others it is a risk.
We do trainings in Risk vs Hazard. And are told, a Hazard exists but only becomes a Risk when a person comes near the Hazard.
Example: A deep uncovered hole is a hazard whether there is a person there or not. When a person is near it is a risk. A risk of falling in.
But for bikes. I think we have Risk/Reward all the time. Is the reward I get worth the risk I am taking. Does the risk of riding up the middle of two lanes of traffic moving at 60 justify the time saving reward of one minute I might or might not get?
I have done some studies of my own on time savings. At 80 we do one kilometer in 45 seconds. At 100 it is close enough to 30 seconds. A 15 second different. How much weaving in and out do you need to do to get one kilometer ahead. If you stop I will be passed you in under one minute. To me it is not worth the risk. But that is the problem right there. What I think might be a risk someone else might not, or else they would not do the thing.
But I think the Australian band the Radiators summed it all up best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznDosJPS44 Life is a Gamble.
We all do realise risk speaks of both positive and negative outcomes? Everyone just looks at negative.
I'd like to think that with proper attention, care and skill we all endeavour, and to an extent succeed in drastically reducing o ur chances of fulfilling the many risks of riding. I know I sure as hell do, I try to take every bit control I can, because I prefer it when my life is mostly in my own hands.
Someone who'd call that activity a gamble; I.e. an endeavour with uncontrollable risks, clearly needs to learn how to count the cards properly, and take control.
Semantics are fun!
And I put to you A.Milos if that really is your name: What risks do you believe are uncontrollable when riding? (The ones you try to add a buffer to in case it becomes a realised risk).
The ones I see as hard to mitigate: Drivers who are incapable of turning their head for any lane movement.
Vehicles with poor distance judging (ie that turn across the front of you because they believed they could make it).
Taxi Drivers and Bogan Drivers.
Bicycle riders.
Everything else has a degree of risk but most of it can be mitigated. Example:Oil on road, careful watchfulness of the upcoming lane and leaving enough gap between yourself and the next vehicle to spot said hazard and avoid.
My personal favorite - drivers suddenly switching lanes when approaching a line of stopped cars that you can not see.
I love how all this gambling vs risk etc has stemmed from people having spikes bits attached to their bike.
Quote from: aussiegs on December 06, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
I love how all this gambling vs risk etc has stemmed from people having spikes bits attached to their bike.
hahaha same.
Quote from: mister on November 29, 2011, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: scratch on November 29, 2011, 09:40:19 AM
Riding is the ultimate form of gambling. The stakes being your life.
It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-A42F6gGDIU4/TjBdUW5QwuI/AAAAAAAADnM/rifGkBaMxOM/s400/lord-of-the-rings.jpg)
Though I'd tend to think parachuting or base jumping are more of the Ultimate Gamble. Or maybe rockclimbing without ropes or doing like that spiderman dude and climbing buildings without rope. Far more ultimate gambles than hopping on a motorcycle and riding it.
Michael
Parachuting, base jumping, rock climbing (freehand?) are more like riding your motorcycle at the track, by yourself, pushing your own limits.
Riding in traffic is like gambling with other people at the table. The other people can affect how well you do. A far greater number of variables. Oh, BTW, I don't gamble, but I used to.
Quote from: comradeiggy on December 06, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
My personal favorite - drivers suddenly switching lanes when approaching a line of stopped cars that you can not see.
Better yet: people who park on the wrong side of the street (i.e. facing the wrong way).
First, cars do not have reflectors on the front so hard to see them parked at night.
But better is when a car approaches you so you move to the right to let them pass on the left. Then they pull right over in front of you because they want to park on the wrong side facing the wrong way! Been nearly hit head on many times by these idiots. Problem is Seattle parking enforcement is lazy - they would rather drive around in their Cushman tri-wheelers chalking tires in a 2 hour zone rather than going one block over and writing 10 tickets per block to these idiots. City says they need more money - so? Write those tickets!