I am a college professor
I did 11 years as a Southern Bell employee--lineman, installer, and finally an electronic switching systems technician. I got bored with working inside and became a Miami Dade county police officer---did that for 25 years and retired to Central Florida.
I work as a site supervisor for a non-profit mental health agency.
You guys have some honorable professions - kudos to you gents.
I am a machinist. Not the useful kind, we do all the big stuff. Our lathes can handle up to 30' long, and about 5' diameter. The rail milling machine that I personally run can handle a 22' long part. And our crane capacity in the shop is 30 tons.
That sounds pretty honorable to me----I'd probably screw that up big time.
automotive detail er... used to be in sales and marketing.
Crew Chief USAF
Schedule Analyst
Mechanical fitter in the railways.
Master Automotive Technician; Toyota Expert
It's really cool to see the different kinds of peoples profession that ride and have interest in the GS.
Please keep it going and get others involved. This is kool
"All unix all the time" software application support grunt.
Been working @ the devils basement for the last 8 years, B of A, Wachovia, wells fargo, and IMHO the senior devil himself - JP morgan.
Cool.
Buddha.
Electronic engineer (actually, much more electrically-oriented) in a steel-making company.
hmmm is it just me or do yall see "oceans 14" unraveling...... lol
Hmmm, full-time student, full-time patient, part-time security officer. Was an EMT for 6 years but heart failure got to bad.
I'm about to finish my BS in psychology then I'll be working on my MSW to become a LMHC.
Mary
I'm a Programmer/ Analyst for a fiirm that writes banking software. Started my professional career as a geologist doing soil and groundwater studies at hazardous waste sites.
self trained/employed watchmaker.
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Nothing I ever wanted to be
Quote from: NorwayGT1 on November 20, 2011, 12:02:10 PM
hmmm is it just me or do yall see "oceans 14" unraveling...... lol
Alright, here is the piece we call the golden 1/4 mile. Underneath the B of A tower in charlotte stretching to the wachovia tower in charlotte and then to the JP morgan tower in Houston is the worlds biggest bundle of $. 650 trillion dollars in convenient trillion $ bills. Essentially we can just put a few of those in our pockets and leave. So here is the plan, you watch maker - you set all the clocks ahead an hour on friday after thanksgiving.
Then you electrical enginer turn off the electricity @ 5. That will mean everyone has to leave. The christmas tree and decorations are being delivered to the B of a building @ 5. However that is the correct 5 not the 5 we have set the clock to.
Then we dress up like christmas tree people and being along a huge a$$ christmas tree. While that is all happening and security is distracted, the 14 of us get in the elevators and press random numbers and get out. Then we get in the last elevator and take that 700 feet down. Then we can get the $ and change to normal people clothes and walk out. That simple.
Sorry 1 of you wont make it. We dont know who, but that's why we need 14, cos 650 million is divisible by 13. Perfect.
How's that plan.
Cool.
Buddha.
Nothing special. Just a software company for the last 30 or so years making software for bowling leagues and tournaments. I supply league and tournament software for those little known bowling companies like AMF and Brunswick. Seems they decided to buy my software and stop making their own. I guess I know what I'm doing.
Early on I made a program called Checks & Balances. Quicken out-marketed me so I switched to bowling software because I grew up a bowler (only about a 190 average these days). I do have a Windows 7 version of Checks & Balances we use in-house and in the tournament programs for financial records and check printing.
Also I have a heavy background in hardware design - having made lots of stuff with Z-80's, 6805's and now PIC and SX processors. Made a whole synthesized organ with about 400 Z-80's in the 80s. Made some automatic scoring parts that read camera data for Brunswick scoring systems to interface to 1050's AMF pinsetters.
I'm a NERD and PROUD OF IT!
I do wood working, too.
My baby --- 1923 Wurlitzer console. Restored. With all electronics on it. Pipes are Conn pipe speakers from the 70's which look cool and put the sound into the air more like real pipes. 32 separate channels of audio.
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Little known? AMF and Brunswick are the two biggest down here that's all I've ever seen.
I was once asked that question, and I answered with, "just a warehouseman". The person asking said, "If you were 'just' a warehouseman, they'd have a monkey or a machine doing your job. You perform a critical function at your job."
i'm an Autocadd technician... or a draftsman if you want to be a duck about it :icon_lol:
i do architectural drafting mainly, but get to dabble in a bit of everything. have been wanting to move towards structural here lately tho
we mainly do government jobs, with some higher education projects as well. we have all disciplines in house. from surveying to civil, mechanical, electrical, structural engineering, plumbing and architecture. we do it all.
My career is looking more and more boring.
Steezin- I loved CAD and AutoCAD in high school. Almost went to college for it actually.
And Adidas- since you are affiliated with bowling and there operating systems it reminded me: I'm such a bad bowler that I am banned from an alley in Louisville, KY. This particular alley has a speed sensor for how fast the ball is going down the lane. Me being a "tough guy" but having small hands with big knuckles, the ball got stuck on my thumb until WAY too late. The manager saw me chuck a ball that barely missed the overhead monitor (and a neon sign along the wall) and landed about 3/4 of the way down. Sounded like a cannonball hitting the deck........
Quote from: aussiegs on November 21, 2011, 02:01:21 PM
Little known? AMF and Brunswick are the two biggest down here that's all I've ever seen.
(sarcasm - a joke)
Big: like lots of things, speed kills. Little known to testosterone filled guys is you don't want to roll the ball super fast. Too fast: the pins fly high and over the others. Too slow, they fall and slide into the gutter and get stuck there. Ideal speed is the pins fly horizontal and bounce of the side boards back in and knock down more pins. Called pin action. The ball speed can vary depending on humidity and the amount of oil on the lane. Wood pins can soak up moisture which changes their hardness and weight. Angle to the head pin is also crucial. 10 to 15 degree angle is about ideal. That's another reason not to roll super fast: too fast and the ball can't grip the lane to hook at the last instant - starting about 20 feet in front of the head pin where the oil runs out.
Big Rich, how do you live in Louisville, KY?
Please don't take this wrong but I was up there for the Ibex and found Louisville completely boring :icon_sad:
Is the bowling alley the one by the airport and the convention center?
I dont- we were visiting my sister in law and going to the Derby. The bowling alley was in the center of town.......they have a name for the area but I can't remember it. Big parties there around the Derby weekend - they close off a couple blocks at night. But I'm north of Pittsburgh, PA.
And Adidas - hindsight my friend, hindsight.........I just never saw the speed rating before and wanted to see how quick I could actually roll it.
Sorry folks- carry on with the occupational chatter!
Process Engineer in an architectural glass fabrication plant. Some of our projects: http://www.viracon.com/?option=com_viracon&view=projects
I deal with the Tempering process, mostly.
Big: I was just giving general bowling wisdom. Nothing directed at you. In fact, I have no idea how much testosterone you're pumped up with. Just imparting some bowling knowledge. Its the geezer in me - makes me want to share information for no reason at all. :icon_eek:
Speed rating: either a Brunswick or Qubica scoring system. (trivia) Qubica has merged with AMF to be Qubica-AMF.
if i didnt read what you did, adidas, id say you were involved wiht some type of software co. ( judging by recent event. ) anyhoo. bowling ive always enjoyed. i dont have the physical strength to slam the ball down the lane. borrowed a friends ball it was semi clear wiht a skull inside it. in blacklight, you see a skull going down the lane. not much else. (and mostly amf logos on the pins. hte only thing they DIDNT mess up. they tried harley davidson. we see where that went. were still seeing it now. , anyhoo gotta run, and finish that tribute video for friend at shop. did the graphics in GMOD. have to layer the pictures in now. then perhaps re-import it into gmod for a walkaround and overdub
"What do you do for a living" the good ol' faithful party question used to gauge social rank, mentally guess income level, etc.
I don't usually answer this question, though a fellow at work and I have decided one good answer is, "I work as a laborer in a furniture factory." Another good one we came up with was, "I work as a process working in a tent peg factory and my job is to put the small sections of striaght metal into a machine which puts the bend in them creating a tent peg" - but it was too long winded. Furniture factory laborer was concise and unusual enough to be believable.
But see, Job Title isn't "what you DO". What you DO is an action.
And what I DO is: participate in the creation of things that represent the height of the ingeniousness of human beings.
Other answers I have used...
As little as possible
Enough to pay the bills
Whatever I want at the time
And I think, the question is better asked, "What field do you work in?"
Then there can be no social rank cause any and all teachers, professors, PhD lecturers, etc., would all say "I work in education". All food process workers could be "in the food business". Salesmen could be in "the auto industry" for a car salesmen. In this way, enough is revealed and enough is hidden.
I participate in the creation of things that represent the height of human ingenuity.
Michael
Ok, now I'm curious........
Diesel fitter?
Some sort of construction worker.
Mister AFAIK is a emt I believe. Sorry for outing ya mister.
Cool.
Buddha.
PS: Sorry - my bad I seem to ahve confused Mister with Michael the other aussie who is an emt.
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Used to work as a elevator repairman, and for the last 6-7 years I'm property claims damage surveyor for an insurance company.
I won't tell which one, but it's highly involved in MotoGP. :icon_mrgreen:
The main sponsor of Ducati Corse team.
:D
Wholesale automotive tools for an underdog tool company in Houston. Really interesting seeing what my fellow GS'rs do; had to join the fun.
Satellite System Operator in the U.S. Army.
"Used to work as a elevator repairman"----We know the old joke Shepa, you named your first born "Otis", unfortunately it turned out to be a daughter and she could never bring herself to deny anyone a ride.
A good one, but (un)fortunately, I was working for some local privateers.
"OTIS" was "too corporate" for me, with their certificates, drills and such.
So... LOL to that...
:D
Quote from: mister on November 22, 2011, 04:27:24 AM
"What do you do for a living" the good ol' faithful party question used to gauge social rank, mentally guess income level, etc.
I don't usually answer this question, though a fellow at work and I have decided one good answer is, "I work as a laborer in a furniture factory." Another good one we came up with was, "I work as a process working in a tent peg factory and my job is to put the small sections of striaght metal into a machine which puts the bend in them creating a tent peg" - but it was too long winded. Furniture factory laborer was concise and unusual enough to be believable.
But see, Job Title isn't "what you DO". What you DO is an action.
And what I DO is: participate in the creation of things that represent the height of the ingeniousness of human beings.
Other answers I have used...
As little as possible
Enough to pay the bills
Whatever I want at the time
And I think, the question is better asked, "What field do you work in?"
Then there can be no social rank cause any and all teachers, professors, PhD lecturers, etc., would all say "I work in education". All food process workers could be "in the food business". Salesmen could be in "the auto industry" for a car salesmen. In this way, enough is revealed and enough is hidden.
I participate in the creation of things that represent the height of human ingenuity.
Michael
I've seen pictures...and some of the things you can see while "you do what you do" look pretty cool and impressive...
As for me...started out as an Electronics Engineering Technologist but couldn't find work in the 90s, went into Automotive Parts to pay the bills, then went into retail management...figured out that dealing with the public sucks, most people are morons...then got a trade (Electrician), moved my way up to Project Management...and now I am "Corporate Quality Advisor for Electrical and Instrumentation" for an oil field contractor, which sounds impressive but being an advisor means that no one really has to listen, just adivce!!
Who knows how that title will change over the next couple of years...
Later.
Mister, This question was not intended to be used to gauge social rank, mentally guess income level, etc
It was ask for fun and to see the different backgrounds of our GS riders. :dunno_black: Really calm down and take it easy, if you don't want to post click out!
The dog poo picker upper is more respected and makes more than me so what so move on.
It's all in FUN :cookoo: Nothing else
OK, so I haven't had a job in years but I'm still a Toolmaker.
Mister I don't think I even subconsciously ranked people socially or income wise reading people's answers. I did rank them on how interesting I found people's jobs though. It is an interesting way you interpret and look at the questions.
So Mister how have your ranked everyone? Since you thought of that angle some part of you mentally was ranking people assuming you read everyone else's answers.
If i was to answer the question via your interpretation. What I DO for a living is analysis project performance and advise. I create lots of pretty pictures and charts for meetings. I create performance tracking schedules with and without cost tracking measurements. I make a pest of myself in managers sides.
Quote from: Shaddow on November 22, 2011, 06:16:26 PM
Mister I don't think I even subconsciously ranked people socially or income wise reading people's answers. I did rank them on how interesting I found people's jobs though. It is an interesting way you interpret and look at the questions.
So Mister how have your ranked everyone? Since you thought of that angle some part of you mentally was ranking people assuming you read everyone else's answers.
If i was to answer the question via your interpretation. What I DO for a living is analysis project performance and advise. I create lots of pretty pictures and charts for meetings. I create performance tracking schedules with and without cost tracking measurements. I make a pest of myself in managers sides.
So basically you make one of two groups happy. the mgmt, or hte accountants. usually not both. if you make both happy. youre a hero, if one isnt happy youre looked down upon slightly
To help clear up any misunderstanding I may have given...
My observations are based on MY experiences. As I said, "the good ol' faithful party question". And it is at such Functions that *I* have been asked this question as a means of social status gauging and income level estimating.
You know that scene in the movie Independence Day where Jasmine has rescued the first lady and they are talking. The first lady says, "what do you do for a living?" Jasmine says, "I'm a dancer". "Ah, ballet." "No, exotic". Wrinkle nose, "Oh, I'm sorry."
I have had so much pretentious wrinkle nose BS in my life based around that seeming innocuous question, so much "look down the nose" cause my job isn't Worthy or estimated to be high enough paying, or not having the right piece of paper from the right place, that I am very Jaded about that question, and simply stopped answering it. I intend no malice toward anyone in my writing here, merely expressing my disdain at the question. That I answered in my way is more than anyone else has gotten from me in a lo-o-o-o-ong time. Which shows how comfortable I feel posting here.
@Shadow. I do not gauge anyone's social status based on their profession, nor guesstimate their income. Cause, frankly, I don't care. I don't wonder around at parties asking people what they do, nor do I discuss incomes. Again, cause I don't care.
I have had the most menial of menial jobs as a process worker standing on a line doing the same single task over and over, I've had jobs where everyone walked around like they were King Sh!t of Turd Island and I've had businesses where I employed people to work for me. I've done strict hard labor and had Soft work. I've done stuff for athletes that represented Australia, politicians, police force, military and some Very wealthy people (richest was worth $75mil) and I've also directly helped the down and out.
And through all this I have learned that, regardless of any Ornamental Magnifiers a person may have, they are still "just a person." They are no different than any other person. They are no better cause they have a certain piece of paper, or a certain job or profession or business, or cause they live in a certain place. Attending one school over another doesn't make one person have more value as a person over another. Neither does wearing a certain type of clothes. Or growing up on one side of the tracks or another. Or having a certain title. We are all "just human beings".
And as far as I am concerned, you are the most high in Your Life; Not some figure head who wears a funny wig or sits in some office or whatever. No King or Queen or Lord is any more important than you. They are certainly not worth bowing to in subjugation. They think otherwise, however. As such, I prefer the company of more unpretentious people - regardless of their job, income level, wealth level or whatnot.
Michael
Mister,
I feel your pain and without going into any stores understand where you are coming from. It's just your responce kind of set a bad note on a thread that was intended to be fun.
No harm no foul :thumb: thanks for clearing it up my brother.
Current, I am being forced to go on sabbatical because I don't have the right piece of paper and hopefully will return to my postion in the summer term.
Anyway, I am leaving for Culpeper Virginia in a couple of hours. :cheers:
Happy turkey day everyone. See you on the dark side.
I liked Mister's first answer. Was even going to state 'another great answer from Mister.' Would it be thread hi-jacking to ask everyone also 'ok, so now what was the worst job or most menial or socially unimpressive job you ever had?' Aside from chain gang manual weed hacker, I worked in a soap factory where I had to climb into these giant mixers and scrape all the gooey soap leftovers off the blades of the machines. Not too high on the social job ranking list there. haha
I had a job with the circus circumcising elephants, It was dirty work but the tips were substantial-----and there is always the prospect of getting ahead.
I also had a job working for the Navy in the supply room, I was the one designated to dole out the days supply of Shore Line, Relative Bearing grease, prop wash, etc. Later on I was trusted with the huge responsibility of being in charge of the keys to the Chain Locker.
Worst job? Cabinet maker/helper.
It was my first job and I was also one of the youngest in the factory at the time. I could do everything the "master" mechanics could do, but I was treated like crap and given no respect by quite a few of the older employees. That's why I quit. :flipoff: :thumb:
Worst job? Well part of my duties were: crawl through a small manhole in the side of a large silo that had stored beef tallow. Drag in a hot hose which was a mix of steam heated water and soap. Shovel out the remaining beef tallow crud and then wash down everything else to remove as much residue as possible. No fan blowing in air from the top, just the top hatch open. No "third man" present outside in case something went wrong inside. Just shovelling stinky smelly crud almost knee deep then washing it all nice and clean.
Michael
wow dude that sounds like a shaZam! full of fun mister
Ahhhh the fun if the meat works mister.
Quote from: mister on November 23, 2011, 11:22:49 AM
Worst job? Well part of my duties were: crawl through a small manhole in the side of a large silo that had stored beef tallow. Drag in a hot hose which was a mix of steam heated water and soap. Shovel out the remaining beef tallow crud and then wash down everything else to remove as much residue as possible. No fan blowing in air from the top, just the top hatch open. No "third man" present outside in case something went wrong inside. Just shovelling stinky smelly crud almost knee deep then washing it all nice and clean.
Michael
Sadly man, that's the work in the US we send illegal immigrants to do ... they apparently "do jobs americans dont want to do" ... sadly I call bs on it ... when I was a factory worker ... I'd have done it ... except they wanted to pay me minimum wage ... sorry aint happening ... I was 20 and stupid, but not that stupid. Immigrant or not ... I quit in spectacular fashion 11 months after that go nowhere job ... sorry yea I'll clean your sheite but not at 6 bones a hr ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: aussiegs on November 23, 2011, 04:48:42 PM
Ahhhh the fun if the meat works mister.
Nah. That job I was a yardman at a oil processing and margarine production plant. One of the yardman jobs was cleaning the tallow tanks.
Michael
Your just full of mystery and ambiguaity.
Quote from: aussiegs on November 23, 2011, 06:04:14 PM
Your just full of mystery and ambiguaity.
Why thank you.
Michael
Bike thief Engineer, but not currently in a position that does anything useful or productive.
System Operator for an Electric Utility here in Maryland.
Been working 30+ years in Electronics/Electrical.
When I was young and sharp I was a technician.
Now that I'm old and dull I'm the boss.
Speaking of which. . .
Ya' ever notice that in a shop, the guys that are sharp never seem to get anywhere (except the most difficult troubleshooting work) but the guys that have no technical ability but can B.S. their way through, always seem to be the boss?
Yeah, well I finally figured that out about 15 years ago and I been the boss ever since.
Sad but so true.
-Ej-
P.S. Hey Mister, you perked up the thread. I'd expect nothing less! ;)
:nono: :nono:
Quote from: Electrojake on November 24, 2011, 09:55:59 AM
Ya' ever notice that in a shop, the guys that are sharp never seem to get anywhere (except the most difficult troubleshooting work) but the guys that have no technical ability but can B.S. their way through, always seem to be the boss?
Yeah, well I finally figured that out about 15 years ago and I been the boss ever since.
Sad but so true.
Reminds me of a story of an old gardener at a university campus. His work was impeccable and his horticultural knowledge was on par with any professor. He was questioned why he hadn't advanced his position in all these years. He said he simply didn't want to be the boss. He had been promoted on several occasions, whereupon he failed miserably. He had found a position wherein he could excel, and enjoy his work.
I think the story is in the book "The Peter Principle". I think many people are promoted to a point just beyond their competence, and productivity, happiness, quality of life all suffer.
Expanding the topic but not derailing it (I think)...
After many years in the industry, I have had good bosses and bad alike but mostly what I learned from bosses is how NOT to treat people.
. . . Long post, sorry but here goes. . .
I like what I do, but not those I work for so I'm always looking for a way to burn or upset my employer.
As a Boss myself, I have found the two best ways to pis$-off the people I work for is to...
1.) Always follow the company safety rules.
2.) Always treat the men that work for me with respect.
Especially number two!
I have noticed that the men in the field (mostly IBEW workers) are treated pretty rough.
They are administered a heavy dose of discipline weather its needed or not, to the point of being disrespectful. The bosses here are frequently quite hard on the men. I guess that's how they became "the boss", They keep the men in-line. :bowdown:
In an attempt to screw my company I use the exact opposite approach: As a Manager, rather than treat my group like filthy IBEW dogs, I try to get my guys the best test equipment, tools, gadgets & goodies I possibly can, and I know it pis$es off the other bosses.
Even something simple like; right before the Thanksgiving break in one of my material orders I included a case of rather expensive LED flashlights to hand out to the men. But as the Manager, "I" didn't hand them out, I gave the case of lights to the Department Supervisor to hand out to the crew after I was gone.
In the long run the men know that "I" was the guy that paid for the stuff but they also realize that their Supervisor is indeed in the loop too, and everybody wins.
(Except the other bosses which hate me for "ruining" the men by treating them with human decency). <ha-ha> I love it!
Not all Supervisors & Managers I know are bung-holes, just most or them.
And to make it all the more fun I have way too much seniority to get rid of, I know my job extremely well, and I treat the Supervisors, & Technicians that work directly under my command with respect & dignity...
. . .and that is how I stab my employer in the back & twist the knife every single glorious day of my career.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2wc9e/urinal.gif)
Thank you Paulcet for the nudge!
It was kinda' nice to vent.
-Ej-
It's a good thing that some people just want to show up, do their job & go home...not everyone can become management...in the trades it's the same...some people have no interest in being the foreman for the simple reason of not wanting to be responsible for anything but their own work...I can understand that...it's pretty frustrating getting in crap for something you didn't do, but someone on your crew did...but it forces you to do your job, which essentially is to coach your guys on the expectations of the company or client...
But if you don't do your follow up on tasks, you get crap for guys doing it their way because you didn't correct them and get them to do it to the expectation...(took me a while to figure that one out...thought being explicit in direction at the beginning of a job was clear enough...nope!!)
For me, I like to be the "Head Doodle"...I like to just do it my way...much easier than trying to meet others expectations...shareholders only care that you make money...I'm a firm believer in doing things the right way once, not get it done quickly and hope that you don't make a mistake...take the time to do it right the first time!! :thumb:
Later.
Quote from: Electrojake on November 25, 2011, 08:22:07 AM
In an attempt to screw my company I use the exact opposite approach: As a Manager, rather than treat my group like filthy IBEW dogs, I try to get my guys the best test equipment, tools, gadgets & goodies I possibly can, and I know it pis$es off the other bosses.
Even something simple like; right before the Thanksgiving break in one of my material orders I included a case of rather expensive LED flashlights to hand out to the men. But as the Manager, "I" didn't hand them out, I gave the case of lights to the Department Supervisor to hand out to the crew after I was gone.
In the long run the men know that "I" was the guy that paid for the stuff but they also realize that their Supervisor is indeed in the loop too, and everybody wins.
(Except the other bosses which hate me for "ruining" the men by treating them with human decency). <ha-ha> I love it!
Not all Supervisors & Managers I know are bung-holes, just most or them.
And to make it all the more fun I have way too much seniority to get rid of, I know my job extremely well, and I treat the Supervisors, & Technicians that work directly under my command with respect & dignity...
. . .and that is how I stab my employer in the back & twist the knife every single glorious day of my career.
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Thank you Paulcet for the nudge!
It was kinda' nice to vent.
-Ej-
The nice thing about being hated for that reason is that you don't have any issue manning your projects...guys find out who is running the job and start puting their numbers in for the call out...I was an IBEW dog as a first year...but the union is more for journeymen than apprentices (personal opinion of course), so I left...I even had a pretty good foreman at the time...but the lull between call outs didn't work for me...
Ej, you out east or west?
Later.
Quote from: madjak30 on November 25, 2011, 08:34:35 AM
Ej, you out east or west?
I'm East.
A bit of New York City area, all of NJ, and a little of the east part of Penn are where my guys work.
(I rather not disclose the corporate name for obvious reasons) :whisper:
Disclaimer: As the years go by, enforcing common-sense safety rules is getting much easier and the typical drunken, uneducated, nasty, "my way or the highway" type of Foremen are getting less and less around here.We've come a long way in the 30 years that I have been here but it's mostly about the "boys club" mentality, and I am convinced that the best way to punish the company is to always do a good job and treat subordinates with dignity. The "boys club" here HATES it, so therefore I LOVE it.
And since I'm senior management, tough crap to all of them. I paid my dues and I'll never forget the obnoxious, vile, swine (mostly bosses) I had to climb through to get here.
Thanks for asking MJ30.
You have a good approach in your post too.
-Ej-
For some reason I thought you were in Canada...thought it would be interesting to go for a coffee with management from the other side of the fence...we probably have alot of the same issues...
I think it's funny how the companies have their corporate values, but don't really follow them...as long as jobs are making money, they turn a blind eye to the violations of the values that are posted on the wall...
Our #1 value is Integrity: Do the Right Thing ...but it should have the disclaimer "unless you think you can get away with it..." or "as long as it doesn't hurt the bottom line..."
That's not with all the management, but the "old guard" is programmed that way...the old Cowboy "gitter done" system...
So when I do audits on jobsites I call them out on it...my audits don't normally go to the client, but sometimes they do...mostly they go to the VPs...so deaf ears...since they sit next to the bean counters and answer to share holders...
Man, I sound disgruntled...but I'm not, I like the company I work for and most of the people that I work with...we just have some areas for improvement... ;)
:cheers:
Later.
MJ30, I agree with your outlook, especially that last sentence.
I guess it's like this. . .
It doesn't matter if you're a tech working on a classified government project, or the night foreman in a commercial bakery churning out cakes & pies somewhere in a suburb of New York City. . .
It's about the people. If you can get a mixed group together and get them a little motivated, anything is possible.
Sorry we hijacked the thread, but thank you ghostrider_23 for getting this thread rolling in the first place! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-051.gif)
-Ej-
No problems. :cheers:
I have enjoyed this thread reading the different backgrounds of our GSer's Really is kool that everyone isn't a doctor or lawyer if you catch my drift. lol
I think we have some good down to earth people in here that offer a lot.
Thanks to everyone that had some input :thumb:
Nah, all the lawyers, doctors, and dentists ride Harley.
:D
Exactly my point
;)
Agreed!
The fact that we all ride the humble (but incredibly underestimated) Suzuki GS500 is the reason we are all on the same frequency here.
Plus this is a pretty good forum community.
The topic police here are rather easy-going too. They usually let the flames die down naturally, etc...
I work several other biker boards, and this is indeed one of the more entertaining crews. :thumb:
-Ej-
Currently, still self-employed and it's covering the bills and the nasty habits I've picked up along the way (british cars, good cigars and even better Scotch)
Previously: Bouncer, auto tech, server, bartender, food service, thoroughbred training, Army Guard....
and most recently, part time assistant manager for a non-profit....that one went really south....really fast....
and not for the reasons most would suspect....it did however leave me very messed up and very bitter towards a certain religious institution...
FTR....screwing over a former intel specialist with a mean streak...life could get interesting...
@Mister, nice reply and it was what I expected. :P
Shite jobs come and go. You know what I say to someone that is employed even in a shite job. Least you are employed and earning your own way. People that won't even take a crap job just to have a job annoy the hell out of me in Australia. It never means you have to stay with that job forever but at least work, contribute and stop bleeding the system cause you think you are better. Its far easier to get employment when you are employed. I'd rather employ the kid that pushes trollies than the one that thinks they are too good for it.
I've done process line work, offal cleanup, hell I even used to unloaded split firewood from a semi trailer by hand. Two of us could unload 32 ton in just under 2.5 hours. That is picking up each piece and throwing it over the side. Funnily it was a job I actually really enjoyed. Paid well for the low hours and I was younger so I spent the rest of the time at the beach or being a tool.
I loathe being in a office all day but that is where I am at the moment and I'm trying to make the best of it. Hopefully in a few years time I'll have managed to sell a novel or two and I can cut back to a part time job of some sort and just write. That's me aim work wise.
Wait how did I start dribbling on that line? I was suppose to be on my high horse still.
Comms tech at an iron mine. FMG Clouldbreak in Western Australia. Working week on week off FIFO of Perth. Not a bad job exept it starting to get hot 40 deg c + most days now. Get to ride most days on my time off which is all good.
Cheers
Leigh
I'm a CompSci guy, slacking off being a unix sysadmin.
Have to say, I'm surprised at all the computer techies on here. Particularly since the gs is notably free of any computer tech :)
Maybe it's suggesting that computer techs are practical, and thrifty too. Yeah, that must be it ;-)
I am a Printed Circuit Board designer. Yep. I connect dots for a living.
Quote from: Big Rich on November 26, 2011, 12:34:42 PM
Nah, all the lawyers, doctors, and dentists ride Harley.
:D
Hey, I'm finishing up my pharmacy degree in May, so not ALL doctors ride Harleys!
Quote from: Phil B on November 28, 2011, 12:23:43 PM
Have to say, I'm surprised at all the computer techies on here. Particularly since the gs is notably free of any computer tech :)
Not really that surprising. Years ago a certain car was big among the silicon valley techies. That car....
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2075/4241/5187120001_large.jpg)
Michael
Environmental Scientist with the State of CA
Quote from: TheGoodGuy on November 29, 2011, 12:42:12 PM
Environmental Scientist with the State of CA
Man that is EPA ... its the devil man ... the devil, like goldman sachs ...
Cool.
Buddha.
The company I've worked for almost 28 years makes piezoelectric sensors and related cables and electronic equipment for industry, medical, education, aerospace, public transit, automotive research, you name it. In the time I've worked there we went from $5 million in sales/year to $100+ million, going from about 140 employees to over 600 and we expanded four times while our founder bought several other smaller related companies along the way along with a brand spankin' new machine shop the size of a supermarket right next door.
I have witnessed growth brought by our human productivity rising dramatically over the years, along with a fair amount of ingenuity. Some bad moves, but mostly good ones, IMHO. The overall numbers bear-out what I'm saying. We have about four times the number of employees with 20+ times more business since 1983. Inflation and rising medical insurance costs eats into that quite a bit, but that's still pretty good, especially when you consider we were a small player when I started out here. Now we're becoming a major player.
I have calibrated and/or repaired more major types of sensors and instrumentation in our company's history than any other technician. I'm the only one to do both, so I have some pretty broad knowledge about what we do. So when you're riding on the train, stepping on the gas in your DOHC fuel-injected sports sedan, or watching a missile launch, you can rest assured that guys and a few gals like me are there testing the hell out of the sensors that do something like help your train ride smoother, allow engineers to design more power and efficiency into your engine for its size, or alert mission control to something that might be going wrong. Your aspirin are pressed uniformly. We make special high-frequency microphones that zoologists use to record tiny animal sounds. The applications are endless. I'd be nuts to leave. Steady job.
@LAKRx: you're not a doctor yet ~ the real peer pressure has not begun to kick in to buy something foolish to look like you are part of the herd LOL
See this was a really cool thread.
I should get some Karma points for it or maybe a cokie....... :tongue2:.......lol
There you go...1 Karma point! :cheers:
wow are we giving out cookies in this thread??? sign me up lol
Quote from: The Buddha on November 30, 2011, 07:54:48 AM
Quote from: TheGoodGuy on November 29, 2011, 12:42:12 PM
Environmental Scientist with the State of CA
Man that is EPA ... its the devil man ... the devil, like goldman sachs ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Not even close to the same....one should never expect more than a vested interest in making money from a private corporation....the government 'should' be looking out for the people....
Cathodic Protection/Pipeline Integrity for a gas utility in California.
I am one of those lazy, underworked and overpaid Federal employees. Contract Specialist for the Army Corps of Engineers.
Or as Obama would say; Corpse of engineers.
Grommett2k
for what state??
software/database/hosting engineer
Was a city cop, took a sheriff job, then moved, now I sell frozen food (hate it but its pays the bills for now). Should have another law job in a week or so. If that doesnt work out going to go back to school for a millwright. Loved being a cop but didn't like living in a meto area, more of a small town guy. So hopefully I can get back in it. Well looks like school here i come.
Quote from: knowles on December 10, 2011, 12:40:30 PM
Was a city cop, took a sheriff job, then moved, now I sell frozen food (hate it but its pays the bills for now). Should have another law job in a week or so. If that doesnt work out going to go back to school for a millwright. Loved being a cop but didn't like living in a meto area, more of a small town guy. So hopefully I can get back in it.
i did same as a county cop. had to getout because of health. ( and disability. once health improives, if it does, i plan on getting back in as a chaplain.
Police have a Chaplin???
Really or is that a secrite police position :police:
Goes along with the political officer.
Quote from: ghostrider_23 on December 13, 2011, 05:53:40 AM
Police have a Chaplin???
Really or is that a secrite police position :police:
yes. almost all departments have them. to handle deaths on force. or to handle sometimes hostage negotiations. ( person wishes to speak to a member of clergy) sometimes also handles church services at jails
Quote from: Grommett2k on December 07, 2011, 03:18:31 PM
I am one of those lazy, underworked and overpaid Federal employees. Contract Specialist for the Army Corps of Engineers.
Haa haa....check your messages! :cheers:
I am a full time college student, I also work nearly full time at the USD336 school district... I don't really know what my job title is. I'm just that kid that graduated last year but still comes there every day and fixes computers and stuff. It sure beats working fast food though. :woohoo:
Quote from: Flux Maven on December 21, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
I am a full time college student, I also work nearly full time at the USD336 school district... I don't really know what my job title is. I'm just that kid that graduated last year but still comes there every day and fixes computers and stuff.
Your title is "underpaid sucker" :)
Quote from: Phil B on December 22, 2011, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Flux Maven on December 21, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
I am a full time college student, I also work nearly full time at the USD336 school district... I don't really know what my job title is. I'm just that kid that graduated last year but still comes there every day and fixes computers and stuff.
Your title is "underpaid sucker" :)
Geez, that was kinda' harsh on ole Flux Maven. No? :dunno_black:
Similarly, my job is rather important to the operation here and the pay is good however, If I never fixed another thing as long as I lived, I really don't think anyone here (
my employer) would notice.
Just sayin'
I work with several people that are hard workers and incredibly smart, but if they simply quit tomorrow, I doubt the company would even feel a ripple on the pond.
So yeah Flux Maven, my advice is...
Do a good job even if you don't get paid much and nobody really cares if the equipment works or not.
<
I know all about it>
Only for those who can grasp it...
Success Is Just One Wish Away www.ankeshkothari.com/success.pdf
Download it then Read it, then read it again, even taking notes, then... Make Your Wish ;) ;)
Michael
Quote from: Electrojake on December 22, 2011, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Phil B on December 22, 2011, 11:07:11 AM
Your title is "underpaid sucker" :)
Geez, that was kinda' harsh on ole Flux Maven. No? :dunno_black:
wasnt meant to be harsh, exactly... just was indirectly pointing out that with a year or two of paid sysadmin work under the belt, much better wages can usually be had elsewhere.
Then again, there is definately something to be said for having "a job" these days...
Hey Flux Maven...
What say you?
I think the question is; are you comfortable with your current situation?
That's what is important!
I love "my" job cause I get to piss & moan so much. (I simply love to complain). :D
I didn't think it was harsh. I took it as the humor it was meant to be. :thumb:
Success Is Just One Wish Away www.ankeshkothari.com/success.pdf - I think you'll enjoy it (it's not like anything else you've read). ;) ;)
Michael
Interesting read. I once worked a job I loved. Heck even did it for free until I got too sick. I guess I would wish for health cause I already knew the other stuff. I'm not a money person and I'm pursuing another career that I hope I can love again. My present job just sucks it out of me I really used to enjoy my job but too many drunk people taking swings and management going south. The first day I was hired I said "I'm here because I want to not because I have to. Once, I stop having fun I'm gone." I kinda hoped this would go for a little longer but I now longer enjoy it while doing some research for my church I found a part-time security assistant at a bible translation company. I've put in the application just waiting for my references to fill out the forms. It starts at what I'm making after three years. Maybe this is my EWE beginning LOL!
Mary
Well I'm an Ex Gynecologist turned Porn Star.OK truthfully I'm a BullSh#($*er. :icon_lol: :icon_lol: I've Just About Done everything I reckon.Except for being a Gynecologist or Pornstar.Right now I'm nearly an Unemployed Jack of all trades and a Master of None.
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on December 25, 2011, 09:29:56 PM
Interesting read. I once worked a job I loved. Heck even did it for free until I got too sick. I guess I would wish for health cause I already knew the other stuff. I'm not a money person and I'm pursuing another career that I hope I can love again. My present job just sucks it out of me I really used to enjoy my job but too many drunk people taking swings and management going south. The first day I was hired I said "I'm here because I want to not because I have to. Once, I stop having fun I'm gone." I kinda hoped this would go for a little longer but I now longer enjoy it while doing some research for my church I found a part-time security assistant at a bible translation company. I've put in the application just waiting for my references to fill out the forms. It starts at what I'm making after three years. Maybe this is my EWE beginning LOL!
Mary
1.) Most people have no clue about health.
It's the kind of thing that is taken for granted until you lose it.
If your health affects your ability to work (earn an income) it can be very frustrating.
This I do understand.
2.) Crappy Management: I often wonder what the Bosses at my job think about the people that have a good work ethic?
I figure that they think we're nuts... or simply fools!
As I tell the people I work with; "The pay is the same, whether you do a good job or not. Weather you work hard or snooze all day, the pay is the same".
TG317, I hope your new job prospects work out for you.
Working for a good boss (or company) can truly energize a person.
Sounds like you are ready for a positive change! :thumb:
-Ej-
Quote from: Electrojake on December 27, 2011, 05:20:09 PM
As I tell the people I work with; "The pay is the same, whether you do a good job or not. Weather you work hard or snooze all day, the pay is the same".
This is true. And I'd like to add a corollary: The company All Access provides Labor for the rig and derig of staging for events. When we were putting together the Castle Stage for Andre Rieu there were Heaps of All Access labor there. I was working with people from ESS (Edwin Shirley Staging) & Stage Co (Stage Co had the contract and hired ESS for certain riggers and All Access for the rest). What I saw was VERY interesting...
First, understand, StageCo is mainly Germans and Belgiums.
The crew we worked with from ESS had certain tasks. When those tasks were completed they found other work to do - simple stuff, stack scaffold, help others with their work, and so on. Cause when you are rigging or derigging a stage, there is ALWAYS something to do.
I'd watch some of the All Access people. For example, in screwing down the floor it required people to use cordless drills set to screw mode, and go a screwing. I watched one girl wonder around the floor area like she was lost, looking down at the floor, with drill in hand. Hardly screwing down anything. Others would be all over the place finding screws to secure after she'd walked by them. She wasn't the only one Slacking Off. There were others. When the crew arrives for the following day you notice, all the slackers are gone. None of them asked back. While those who put in a good effort were asked back.
One of the All Access labor had followed the advice as given in Success Is Just One Wish Away and learned how to speak German and Flemish (what the Belgium stage people speak). Think she was welcomed onto any stage they are involved in? Heck yeah!
My point is, that while you do earn the same whether you work or slack off, it is noticed. And if there is a minor culling at your work, it will be the slackers who will go. I believe the more versatile you are, the less likely you will be given the axe.
There is a difference between wanting to work and wanting a job.
Michael
Um Mister, what were you doing? It seems like you were doing a lot of looking around. How come you weren't busy working :dunno_black:
Don't get upset, I am just pulling your leg. Have a good one :icon_razz:
Quote from: ghostrider_23 on December 28, 2011, 07:09:10 AM
Um Mister, what were you doing? It seems like you were doing a lot of looking around. How come you weren't busy working :dunno_black:
Don't get upset, I am just pulling your leg. Have a good one :icon_razz:
I get that a lot ghost...
One "project" we were on I needed some help. The Supervisor of the gig got me one of his chippies to be my offsider. After a couple minutes the conversation went,
What am I here for?
Just what you did
And then what?
Nothing. We have a spell.
We don't have to look busy?
Nope
Do we give others a hand?
Nope, we go sit down over there and have a cuppa and wait
I could see he looked a little nervous when the Supervisor came over. Cause, as a chippie, there is no "doing nothing". But the Supervisor joined us in a cuppa and the chippie could now see very little is expected of us and noone gets upset when we are doing nothing and they understand we only do our job and help noone else
At the end of the day the chippie thanked me for asking for an offsider and quizzed me on how to get into my line of work. A question I get a lot. I answer, but trying something new is all too much hard work (and they must think of it as too much risk to change professions) so they invariably stick to what they are already doing and hating.
Don't get me wrong. Some days we are flat out busy enough to break a sweat and at the end of the day we are dirty and tired. Others, slack. When doing staging work we can only work as fast as the climbing riggers. So I get to see a Lot of who is hooking in, who isn't, etc. Here's a video from that project http://youtu.be/twFHCAl86ys (as you can see, I have ample time to walk around while work is going on, but noone cares I am doing nothing.)
Michael
Quote from: Electrojake on December 27, 2011, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on December 25, 2011, 09:29:56 PM
Interesting read. I once worked a job I loved. Heck even did it for free until I got too sick. I guess I would wish for health cause I already knew the other stuff. I'm not a money person and I'm pursuing another career that I hope I can love again. My present job just sucks it out of me I really used to enjoy my job but too many drunk people taking swings and management going south. The first day I was hired I said "I'm here because I want to not because I have to. Once, I stop having fun I'm gone." I kinda hoped this would go for a little longer but I now longer enjoy it while doing some research for my church I found a part-time security assistant at a bible translation company. I've put in the application just waiting for my references to fill out the forms. It starts at what I'm making after three years. Maybe this is my EWE beginning LOL!
Mary
1.) Most people have no clue about health.
It's the kind of thing that is taken for granted until you lose it.
If your health affects your ability to work (earn an income) it can be very frustrating.
This I do understand.
-Ej-
thjis is what im dealing wiht at this moment. and its about pushed me over the edge literally :cookoo: