2005 GS500f All stock. Can't figure out whats wrong, the more I google the more possibly it could be, have checked the carbs MANY times. everything LOOKS right.. cleaned and everything. so maybe someone with a good ear could figure this one out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx_zY30jTHA
If you start a new thread, at least tell us what you think the problem is, and what the symptoms are.
Have you adjusted your valves?
How many miles on the bike?
When was the last time you watered your grass?
Believe it or not, back a few years, my iron duke Fiero made that same exact sound, and than wouldn't run, and than magically started running.
Turns out, when I dropped the motor, I bent the spark plug connector on the coil, so at times, it would ark to the frame, and other times it'd be fine. When it was arching, it made that funny gallopy sound.
Check your wiresfor damage, go ahead and change out your plugs just to be safe (its cheap) and grab some carb cleaner and check for vac leaks around the vac lines if you still got them.
Betcha that'd fix it.
First off, I'm guessing here because riding your bike by the camera does nothing for anyone. Start your bike on the center stand and record it there.
To me it sounds like the exact problem your having is your bike is stock. The GS500 is a PoS stock. Absolutely atrocious. The stock configuration is designed to reduce emissions (and fun). Your bike sounds like it's incredibly lean throughout the entire range which is exactly what the stock GS500 is designed to be.
Have you changed your sparkplugs? Check your plugs to confirm it's running lean. You can Google for a "color chart" for spark plugs to do matching with. Replace your plugs afterwards and try it again. Search the forum for the proper checking technique.
Once you confirm you're running real lean clean/rejet your carbs and test it again. My GS500 is running fine after installing K&N pods, a Dynojet Stage 1 kit, chopping out the cat/PAIR system, and installing a yoshi TRS exhaust. If you want precision take your carbs to be rejetted by a guy with the 500 dollar O2 testing tool. He'll dial your carbs in to your elevation/weather.
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on January 15, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
First off, I'm guessing here because riding your bike by the camera does nothing for anyone. Start your bike on the center stand and record it there.
To me it sounds like the exact problem your having is your bike is stock. The GS500 is a PoS stock. Absolutely atrocious. The stock configuration is designed to reduce emissions (and fun). Your bike sounds like it's incredibly lean throughout the entire range which is exactly what the stock GS500 is designed to be.
Have you changed your sparkplugs? Check your plugs to confirm it's running lean. You can Google for a "color chart" for spark plugs to do matching with. Replace your plugs afterwards and try it again. Search the forum for the proper checking technique.
Once you confirm you're running real lean clean/rejet your carbs and test it again. My GS500 is running fine after installing K&N pods, a Dynojet Stage 1 kit, chopping out the cat/PAIR system, and installing a yoshi TRS exhaust. If you want precision take your carbs to be rejetted by a guy with the 500 dollar O2 testing tool. He'll dial your carbs in to your elevation/weather.
Okay, you GIVE me the money and ill do this... And the spark plugs look fine! Almost PERFECT. PO took off my center stand, and my mom was watering the bushes, and didn't wanna be on camera, ALSO the popping doesnt happen much standing still. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
Check your wires, replace your plugs (even if they LOOK fine, there could be something wrong. Its a 5 dollar proposition), and take some carb cleaner to your vac lines to check for leaks.
Quote from: J_Walker on January 15, 2012, 04:33:41 PM
Okay, you GIVE me the money and ill do this... And the spark plugs look fine! Almost PERFECT. PO took off my center stand, and my mom was watering the bushes, and didn't wanna be on camera, ALSO the popping doesnt happen much standing still. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
So I guess you wanna buy a center stand, the 2 bolts and the 2 springs? You really need it to work on a bike and clean & lube the chain.
(Sorry to thread jack into a selling thread. People say I have a problem being a parts whore and just got another center stand yesterday in my parts haul. (http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Videos/sorrytext.gif) )
TRY THIS: In neutral, unplug one plug. Note how bike runs. Plug back in wire and do other side.
Now, swap plugs.
Repeat.
Did each side seem to reverse how they ran? If so, it is the plugs. If each side still seems the same, then it is not the plugs.
TREY had a problem of a nearly new, perfect looking plug. That was his problem. Found out when swapping plugs. problem with to other cylinder!
based on this thread:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=58598.msg665859#msg665859
Quote from: J_Walker on January 15, 2012, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: Dr.McNinja on January 15, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
First off, I'm guessing here because riding your bike by the camera does nothing for anyone. Start your bike on the center stand and record it there.
To me it sounds like the exact problem your having is your bike is stock. The GS500 is a PoS stock. Absolutely atrocious. The stock configuration is designed to reduce emissions (and fun). Your bike sounds like it's incredibly lean throughout the entire range which is exactly what the stock GS500 is designed to be.
Have you changed your sparkplugs? Check your plugs to confirm it's running lean. You can Google for a "color chart" for spark plugs to do matching with. Replace your plugs afterwards and try it again. Search the forum for the proper checking technique.
Once you confirm you're running real lean clean/rejet your carbs and test it again. My GS500 is running fine after installing K&N pods, a Dynojet Stage 1 kit, chopping out the cat/PAIR system, and installing a yoshi TRS exhaust. If you want precision take your carbs to be rejetted by a guy with the 500 dollar O2 testing tool. He'll dial your carbs in to your elevation/weather.
Okay, you GIVE me the money and ill do this... And the spark plugs look fine! Almost PERFECT. PO took off my center stand, and my mom was watering the bushes, and didn't wanna be on camera, ALSO the popping doesnt happen much standing still. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
You act like I was prepping celebratory pints for when you announced the popping occurs on the centerstand. Talk about overreaction. You have to spend money to fix a problem most of the time. A simple rejet costs less than 40 bucks if you buy from Buddha, carb cleaner is less than 5 dollars at your local auto parts store, plugs cost 5 bucks unless you get iridium plugs, cleaning carbs takes 3-4 hours if you're not used to it, and you can have someone rejet your carbs for less than 80 bucks if you look hard enough. Rejetting itself is fairly easy, having someone with the tool do it takes away the guess work. If you're not willing to put money and time into the bike you should sell it and buy a car.
working on the bike is part of keeping her happy, and the motorcycle gods pleased.
You dont, and things go wrong, enough things go wrong, and it stop running.
Things cost money to fix.
Just buy a set of new plugs and some carb cleaner after checking the wires (which is free, minus some elbow grease), and start from there.
10 bucks will probably fix it
it was pretty hard to determine anything on that video, what is the problem?
-are the carbs popping? (backfire) then its either the coil, plug, vacuum leak post carburetor, or a clogged idle circuit.
follow this order:
plug check - they may look fine, but fail under compression. It happened to me
Coils are easy to check, is there spark? no? oh, replace them
vacuum leaks, you are on your own. just check all the applicable places.
other problems from this will be found under load. uneven, poor acceleration, stumble when the throttle opens, quickly degrading to unridable condition.
-pop on deceleration? its normal. The idle jet will not support running down from high rpm, and the exhaust will pop. it will not damage your bike. It just sounds kinda bad.
Quote from: adidasguy on January 15, 2012, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: J_Walker on January 15, 2012, 04:33:41 PM
Okay, you GIVE me the money and ill do this... And the spark plugs look fine! Almost PERFECT. PO took off my center stand, and my mom was watering the bushes, and didn't wanna be on camera, ALSO the popping doesnt happen much standing still. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
So I guess you wanna buy a center stand, the 2 bolts and the 2 springs? You really need it to work on a bike and clean & lube the chain.
(Sorry to thread jack into a selling thread. People say I have a problem being a parts whore and just got another center stand yesterday in my parts haul. (http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Videos/sorrytext.gif) )
TRY THIS: In neutral, unplug one plug. Note how bike runs. Plug back in wire and do other side.
Now, swap plugs.
Repeat.
Did each side seem to reverse how they ran? If so, it is the plugs. If each side still seems the same, then it is not the plugs.
TREY had a problem of a nearly new, perfect looking plug. That was his problem. Found out when swapping plugs. problem with to other cylinder!
based on this thread:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=58598.msg665859#msg665859
I just use a 2000lb car jack, 2x4 and some careful planning if I need to lube my chain :X I'm still confused why PO took off my center stand.. :/
Quote from: Funderb on January 15, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
-pop on deceleration? its normal. The idle jet will not support running down from high rpm, and the exhaust will pop. it will not damage your bike. It just sounds kinda bad.
You think? I kinda like the snap crackle and pop on deceleration. It is about the meanest sound my GS makes.
A guy I met today offered to give me his stock jets from his bike, He has 4 sets considering that its a 4cly. He said they worked fine, just wanted to put bigger one's in, But I don't think they'd work in mine.. Idk. Also, I was curious on something.. his bike has something i've only seen on go-karts.. the air filters are connected right to the carbs. DUR I know. I mean its a spongy like piece that covers the holes of the carbs air side. Now ive seen this on gokarts MANY times never on a motorcycle before? or am I just under a rock? If I rejet- hopefully I can try this.. I think the only down side is that the air filters would get dirty faster from the dirt kicking up. Basically they cover where the boots would normally go.
Quote from: J_Walker on January 16, 2012, 01:30:41 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on January 15, 2012, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: J_Walker on January 15, 2012, 04:33:41 PM
Okay, you GIVE me the money and ill do this... And the spark plugs look fine! Almost PERFECT. PO took off my center stand, and my mom was watering the bushes, and didn't wanna be on camera, ALSO the popping doesnt happen much standing still. I'm sorry to disappoint you.
So I guess you wanna buy a center stand, the 2 bolts and the 2 springs? You really need it to work on a bike and clean & lube the chain.
(Sorry to thread jack into a selling thread. People say I have a problem being a parts whore and just got another center stand yesterday in my parts haul. (http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Videos/sorrytext.gif) )
TRY THIS: In neutral, unplug one plug. Note how bike runs. Plug back in wire and do other side.
Now, swap plugs.
Repeat.
Did each side seem to reverse how they ran? If so, it is the plugs. If each side still seems the same, then it is not the plugs.
TREY had a problem of a nearly new, perfect looking plug. That was his problem. Found out when swapping plugs. problem with to other cylinder!
based on this thread:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=58598.msg665859#msg665859
I just use a 2000lb car jack, 2x4 and some careful planning if I need to lube my chain :X I'm still confused why PO took off my center stand.. :/
So it wouldn't scrape the ground during cornering. If you're nice, I bet Adidas has an extra and would send you one for real cheap. You can also CAREFULLY set the bike on its sidestand and prop the rear swingarm on a jackstand from the right side of the bike. I know it shows a 2x4 but I prefer a jackstand - it has a cradle which better supports the bike.
Like this:
(http://germz.org/KLR650/chain_lube_stand.JPG)
That's how I used to lube the chain on my KLR650 (and yes that is a KLR650). I'd be super careful though. If it feels unstable...don't do it. I have yet to try it on the GS.
Quote from: Twisted on January 16, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: Funderb on January 15, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
-pop on deceleration? its normal. The idle jet will not support running down from high rpm, and the exhaust will pop. it will not damage your bike. It just sounds kinda bad.
You think? I kinda like the snap crackle and pop on deceleration. It is about the meanest sound my GS makes.
Agreed, I like the popping as long as it's intermittent and doesn't sound like a machine gun
Quote from: rayshon on January 16, 2012, 01:51:35 AM
Quote from: Twisted on January 16, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: Funderb on January 15, 2012, 09:07:52 PM
-pop on deceleration? its normal. The idle jet will not support running down from high rpm, and the exhaust will pop. it will not damage your bike. It just sounds kinda bad.
You think? I kinda like the snap crackle and pop on deceleration. It is about the meanest sound my GS makes.
See my bike never popped when I had got it.. than it started doing it. thats why I'm tryin to figure out wth is up.
Agreed, I like the popping as long as it's intermittent and doesn't sound like a machine gun
Quote from: Kijona on January 16, 2012, 01:48:12 AM
So it wouldn't scrape the ground during cornering. If you're nice, I bet Adidas has an extra and would send you one for real cheap. You can also CAREFULLY set the bike on its sidestand and prop the rear swingarm on a jackstand from the right side of the bike. I know it shows a 2x4 but I prefer a jackstand - it has a cradle which better supports the bike.
I kinda hinted at that, but didn't want to do a thread-jack. How much did you bet that I had one? Do I get a cut of that?
Some people remove them to save 2 pounds. If you want to save 4 pounds: replace your lead acid battery with a LiFe one. 1 pound .vs. 5 pounds. You need a center stand. The superior battery is also nice to have.
I know I know, I just can't afford nothing now.. TRUST ME adidasguy, I'd have 200+ dollars in stuff from you by now if I had the money! Once I can get some, I'm gonna become your biggest fan. :D
Quote from: J_Walker on January 16, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Idk. Also, I was curious on something.. his bike has something i've only seen on go-karts.. the air filters are connected right to the carbs. DUR I know. I mean its a spongy like piece that covers the holes of the carbs air side. Now ive seen this on gokarts MANY times never on a motorcycle before? or am I just under a rock? If I rejet- hopefully I can try this.. I think the only down side is that the air filters would get dirty faster from the dirt kicking up. Basically they cover where the boots would normally go.
You mean pod filters? A lot of bikes run these.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/icecreamhands/thumbnail.jpg?t=1326708007)
Quote from: Twisted on January 16, 2012, 02:58:55 AM
Quote from: J_Walker on January 16, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Idk. Also, I was curious on something.. his bike has something i've only seen on go-karts.. the air filters are connected right to the carbs. DUR I know. I mean its a spongy like piece that covers the holes of the carbs air side. Now ive seen this on gokarts MANY times never on a motorcycle before? or am I just under a rock? If I rejet- hopefully I can try this.. I think the only down side is that the air filters would get dirty faster from the dirt kicking up. Basically they cover where the boots would normally go.
You mean pod filters? A lot of bikes run these.
Didn't know what they were called. I'm stupid. about 4 hours of sleep in the last 36 hours. Please.. do excuse me.
I'm pretty reasonable for prices. I buy lots, keep the few parts I really need and sell the rest just to make back my investment. I don't price things up to make a profit. I know some of people can''t always afford things so I sometimes will cut a deal and even trade for parts.
Make a list of what you need so I can keep an eye out. If I have a dozen of something you need, you can get it pretty cheap. (Like I have a whole box full of all the reflectors - few people ask for them so they're pretty much going for postage.)
You really should have a center stand. It is very useful for working on your bike. You can PM me with a list of what you would like. I'll help you prioritize things as to what is most useful and what can wait for later.
Quote from: J_Walker on January 16, 2012, 01:30:41 AM
:X I'm still confused why PO took off my center stand.. :/
Quote from: Kijona on January 16, 2012, 01:48:12 AM
So it wouldn't scrape the ground during cornering.
I highly doubt that. You would probably be scraping the side cases if you have it over far enough to scrape the centre stand. Most likely reason people remove it is to save weight, for looks or if the bike went down in a big way.
Quote from: J_Walker on January 15, 2012, 01:14:10 PM
2005 GS500f All stock. Can't figure out whats wrong, the more I google the more possibly it could be, have checked the carbs MANY times. everything LOOKS right.. cleaned and everything. so maybe someone with a good ear could figure this one out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx_zY30jTHA
Sounded ok to me. What's the problem? (Long thread, too much pointless advice, did not read)
I know it's money but sometimes the best thing to do is to take it into the dealer and avoid the headaches. More ride time and less worrying, you can't put a price on that.
Quote from: bigfatcat on January 16, 2012, 06:25:41 AM
Quote from: J_Walker on January 15, 2012, 01:14:10 PM
2005 GS500f All stock. Can't figure out whats wrong, the more I google the more possibly it could be, have checked the carbs MANY times. everything LOOKS right.. cleaned and everything. so maybe someone with a good ear could figure this one out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx_zY30jTHA
Sounded ok to me. What's the problem? (Long thread, too much pointless advice, did not read)
right..............you didn't read it but it's full of pointless advice?
you have a video camera... point it AT THE SIDE OF BIKE 6-12 feet away, start it cold, let it warm, then show us the condition you're refering to.
or, just make a very precise description here, in this thread, about what the problem is with your gs. no rambling, no "if i had money for xyz", just the facts.
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You think? I kinda like the snap crackle and pop on deceleration. It is about the meanest sound my GS makes.
Well, you're right, it does sound good to me
now, with an aftermarket can and 140's. But before with the stock exhaust, it was a little puny. Every time i came down from high rpm, "WHIIRRRRRRRRRR BIPADIPADIPADIPPA RRRRRR PIP RRR PIPAPIPAPIP RRRrrrrrrr"
Quote from: Twisted on January 16, 2012, 03:05:37 AM
Quote from: J_Walker on January 16, 2012, 01:30:41 AM
:X I'm still confused why PO took off my center stand.. :/
Quote from: Kijona on January 16, 2012, 01:48:12 AM
So it wouldn't scrape the ground during cornering.
I highly doubt that. You would probably be scraping the side cases if you have it over far enough to scrape the centre stand. Most likely reason people remove it is to save weight, for looks or if the bike went down in a big way.
Actually, back in the day when I was first looking at GS500's, I heard one of the long-time board members say "take off the center stand - it'll drag". I THINK it was Buddha but I could be wrong. Whatever the case is, I'm sure it's because it does, in fact, scrape the ground sometimes. I've scraped mine at least once.
You must be doing pretty extreme riding or have 300 pounds of people on the bike to drag the center stand (or the springs holding it up are broken).
Since it is stopped in the up position by a bumper on the exhaust, changing the exhaust may cause it to stay lower.
OK, so you do take it off. Keep it. WHen you need to work on your bike, its like 1 or 2 minutes to put it back on. 2 bolts and a spring.
Quote from: adidasguy on January 16, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
OK, so you do take it off. Keep it. WHen you need to work on your bike, its like 1 or 2 minutes to put it back on. 2 bolts and a spring.
Another option would be to buy a rear paddock stand. They can be got for pretty cheap nowadays.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/icecreamhands/thumbnail-1.jpg)
Quote from: adidasguy on January 16, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
You must be doing pretty extreme riding or have 300 pounds of people on the bike to drag the center stand (or the springs holding it up are broken).
Since it is stopped in the up position by a bumper on the exhaust, changing the exhaust may cause it to stay lower.
OK, so you do take it off. Keep it. WHen you need to work on your bike, its like 1 or 2 minutes to put it back on. 2 bolts and a spring.
I'm not taking mine off! You crazy. I love having it and the security [read: stability] it offers - especially like filling up with it on the center stand!
I'm about 6'0-1" tall, give or take, and I weigh almost 200lbs. I'm not a tiny guy but I'm not huge either. Also, I'm fairly certain the bike has been lowered so that may play into it. Still, I know it was someone on here advising people to ditch the center stand, and personally I think it's best that it stays on the bike.
@JW Video is too long. Less talk, more problem only. As it is, I don't hear anything untoward. Just asking... you did check the valves didn't you? And BTW, just cause a bunch of people say "rejet, rejet" doesn't mean you should. McNinja seems to loath the GS500 even though he bought one, cause he whines about it all the time every chance he gets :icon_rolleyes:
My bike is fine in stock form. Has enough power to do what I want it to do. Twisted's bike is stock and runs fine too. Seems the group of people with the most running problems are those who have rejetted.
As for center stand... yeah sure, it Can scrape under certain conditions. But those conditions are quite rare. Rare enough not to warrant removing it from the bike.
Michael