On another board I posted a comment about a guy being retarded because he was acting like an idiot.
I was stunned by the number of people that were offended by this word.
Have we become so thin skinned that a word like retarded offends the masses? Because I can certainly think of a lot more offensive things than that to call a person.
I am more offended that you had to ask if I thought retarded was offensive. I use that word all the time.
not offended at all. we're all a little retarded every now and then :icon_lol:
on a funny note here's a ralphie may stand up on the people that get heated about the word retard(warning not the best quality, but the audio isn't bad):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1OFSD7vnjM
(http://www.animateit.net/data/media/159/baby2.gif)
After I've met a few people that are mentally retarded, I'm convinced there is no excuse for the rest of us.
Using the word descriptively is fine. Using it in a demeaning, derrogartory fashion is a slap in the face to those that are by definition, retarded.
Its not about wether you're acting like an ass for using it out of context, its about you acting like an ass and not having the capacity to insult a person with gusto and some intelligence.
"Retard" is the best you can do ? Really ? That's pretty f%$king pathetic.
I'm sitting at a pool, watching some kids swim, play, learn and thrive. Some of them may be mentally delayed, physically broken, or suffering in more ways than any of the able bodied and minded people can understand. You know what, they're f%$king owning you right now, without even having to try.
Retard indeed.
Ohgood. Nice custom title :thumb: I thought you would like it. It was the best I could come up with.
Personally I'm sick to death of all this political correctness, you can't say anything now days without offending someone. The whole world is becoming Chickified and overly sensitive.---get over it.
People need to buy a dictionary and actually read it. Retarded is a descriptive word meaning slowed or delayed. "We retarded the ignition timing." Nothing offensive there. You were more going for mental retardation though. That is a gray area when you use it as an insult. I used to work with a guy who had a retarded son that got really bent out of shape when I would use it as an insult. So I quit using it in work situations. I still use it in social situations. It's just like I won't say sh!t or F@ck with a customer at work but I will use it at a bar. Certain words for certain situations.
I'm more annoyed with people getting offended when no offense is meant. Like the sports writer that was fired for using the phrase "chink in his armor" when talking about Jeremy Lyn. That is a common phrase that the writer had used in many past stories. Down the road from me in Washington D.C. a local government worker (mayor's aide if I remember correctly) was fired for using the word niggardly in relation to the budget. Buy a dictionary people, that word has nothing to do with the N-word! Idiocy!!!
Rant End\
-Jessie
Quote from: ojstinson on February 28, 2012, 05:39:53 PM
Personally I'm sick to death of all this political correctness, you can't say anything now days without offending someone. The whole world is becoming Chickified and overly sensitive.---get over it.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :thumb:
John, may I request that you remove this thread and the title for ohgood?
While some people may or may not get offended by it is individual choice. "Who" gets offended might make a difference to the quality of this forum. What would happen to this site if for example Mister, Adidasguy, BaltimoreGS, Buddha, Twisted, Yama, TooGoofy, and so on got offended? As a moderator yourself here, you actually do set an example for the rest of us.
Quote from: Big Rich on February 28, 2012, 07:56:23 PM
John, may I request that you remove this thread and the title for ohgood?
While some people may or may not get offended by it is individual choice. "Who" gets offended might make a difference to the quality of this forum. What would happen to this site if for example Mister, Adidasguy, BaltimoreGS, Buddha, Twisted, Yama, TooGoofy, and so on got offended? As a moderator yourself here, you actually do set an example for the rest of us.
Seconded.
Also, I vote Big Rich for moderator! :cheers:
No. I don't think i'll remove this post. I am asking if it actually offends people. If somebody said "yes, it does offend me." I can deal with it. I actually wanted to simply know the general consensus. Looks like 6 or 7 no's, and two yes so far.
You people going off on a political rant need to drink a beer and chill out :icon_mrgreen:
I DON"T want this to be a flame fest. And I did update ohgood's title. Good suggestion.
Fair enough - thank you sir.
And Shonole: Me? A moderator? No thanks for a couple reasons: first off, I can be a real Richard sometimes. Second, I would go mad with power. Third, I've never even sat on a GS500.
Quote from: john on February 28, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
On another board I posted a comment about a guy being retarded because he was acting like an idiot.
I was stunned by the number of people that were offended by this word.
Offended by the term retard?
No, not really...
...but it is in poor taste.Probably like "ghey" or "alternative lifestyle man" which can be quite derogatory, regardless of what Webster's defines it as.
-Ej-
P.S. OMG (http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/images/smilies/doh.gif) Your profanity filter cuts out g a y & q u e e r but won't touch retard?
This crap is too funny.
-Ej
Quote from: Big Rich on February 28, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
Fair enough - thank you sir.
And Shonole: Me? A moderator? No thanks for a couple reasons: first off, I can be a real Richard sometimes. Second, I would go mad with power. Third, I've never even sat on a GS500.
Occasional nastiness? Check.
Wanton power trip? Check.
No personal experience with the principle item at hand? Check.
Sounds like the making of a great mod to me. :thumb:
Also, derogatory use of the term "retarded" is offensive and ignorant. :nono:
But then, it all depends on perception and reception. Take the Family Guy episode "Extra Large Medium" where they sang "Down Syndrome Girl". Sarah Palin was upset because she has a child who suffers from Down Syndrome. However, Andrea Fay Friedman (the actress that played the character with Down Syndrome) herself suffers from the affliction, and had no problem with them singing the song.
Her quote? "In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life."
Quote from: john on February 28, 2012, 08:13:02 PM
No. I don't think i'll remove this post. I am asking if it actually offends people. If somebody said "yes, it does offend me." I can deal with it. I actually wanted to simply know the general consensus.
Quote from: john on February 28, 2012, 01:25:00 PM
Have we become so thin skinned that a word like retarded offends the masses? Because I can certainly think of a lot more offensive things than that to call a person.
While I'm personally not offended by the word at all, I definitely understand why people are, and have no idea why people(supposed grown ups especially) have such a hard time taking into consideration the people who are forced to be around them on a daily basis. I also don't feel like you were asking out of genuine curiosity. Your original post definitely sounded more like a semi-rant at the fact that someone questioned something you said, and really didn't leave an un-biased feeling to the post for anyone to really want to jump out and admit that they're offended by it, because they'd automatically already be labeled as thin skinned and easily offended.
I'm sure you can think of a lot of things that would be MORE offensive, but how is that any gauge for what's actually acceptable or not? I could punch a stranger in the face, and say "are you really gonna complain about that? I certainly could've hit you harder", it's a pretty weak argument.
If it's that much of a thought in your head that it might offend someone, then yes, it probably does offend someone, and I would hope that you have the ability to think of a word to replace one that we all started using in 3rd grade to make fun of some kid that we thought was slightly mentally unstable. There are groups in society that I think are beyond ridiculous and pathetic, but they're all around me, I deal with them on a regular basis, and don't really feel the need to walk around using phrases that would obviously make them feel uncomfortable just because I don't feel like considering someone else's feelings. It's a shared forum, and unless you happen to know that nobody here has a sibling/child with some mental barriers, I don't know why it even needs to be discussed. To be honest it sounds like YOU were offended that someone took the time out of their day to tell you they didn't like something you said. Again, I'm not offended by the word, but I understand why other people could be, and I have a general hope that living in a civilized community would at least afford me the convenience of being around other adults that can take the time to consider some of the things other people go through in their daily lives that you may not have to deal with, yeah?
Quote from: shonole on February 28, 2012, 08:59:11 PM
But then, it all depends on perception and reception. Take the Family Guy episode "Extra Large Medium" where they sang "Down Syndrome Girl".
This I definitely agree with. There's a time and a place for things too. I listen to a lot of comedians who say things that would be incredibly offensive to other people, and would probably make my own mother cringe in horror, same thing goes for TV shows like Family Guy or Peep Show(way funnier), but if you're listening to those things it's because that's the humor you're looking for. I even hear them making fun of things that I am and things that I do, and I accept it because that's the entertainment I chose. It's different when you're involved in unrelated activities like a motorcycle forum or are at work. Those are completely unrelated activities.
Retard, as defined by Webster, means:
1: to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : impede
2: to delay academic progress by failure to promote
Synonyms: brake, decelerate, slow, slacken
As a teacher, I actually use the word in class to describe student behavior or progress...if for no other reason than to remove the negative connotation. To lable someone 'mentally retarded' is a misnomer. The actual term is mentally disabled. Now the disability does, in fact, cause retarded (slowed) learning, but any person can be retarded at any time regardless of their mental faculties.
A student that is disrupting class can be acurately labeled as being 'retarded' because they are slowing their own learning,and/or the learning of the class. The word 'retarded' and its perceived definition is merely an issue of semantics. It really depends on the intent behind its use, and the way it is perceived.
In short, I can be offended, or not, based on the context and motives of the word's use. I do believe that people generally get too worked up about the word.
Quote from: oramac on February 28, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
A student that is disrupting class can be acurately labeled as being 'retarded' because they are slowing their own learning,and/or the learning of the class. The word 'retarded' and its perceived definition is merely an issue of semantics. It really depends on the intent behind its use, and the way it is perceived.
In short, I can be offended, or not, based on the context and motives of the word's use. I do believe that people generally get too worked up about the word.
YES Hammer - nail - head :bowdown:
Society changes. Life moves on. Language shifts. Whole list of words I wouldn't apply to people in conversation anymore. Retard is one of those words.
Quote from: oramac on February 28, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
A student that is disrupting class can be acurately labeled as being 'retarded' because they are slowing their own learning,and/or the learning of the class. The word 'retarded' and its perceived definition is merely an issue of semantics. It really depends on the intent behind its use, and the way it is perceived.
Wouldn't the student actually be retarding?
Quote from: Big Rich on February 28, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
In short, I can be offended, or not, based on the context and motives of the word's use.
I was thinking along this line, too, but you said it much better than I could have. I think we could probably use this line of thinking, " Do you think that the word ___________ is offensive?" We could all fill that blank in with something we feel is offensive (or that we feel others are overreacting to).
I think in our day-to-day lives, we use terms that hold little or no meaning for us while being loaded terms for someone else. If one of my rider buddies calls me something (for example, b***h), then I know the term is used with deep affection, love, and respect. However, if a stranger calls me that....well..that's different.. :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: pandy on February 28, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Big Rich on February 28, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
In short, I can be offended, or not, based on the context and motives of the word's use.
I was thinking along this line, too, but you said it much better than I could have. I think we could probably use this line of thinking, " Do you think that the word ___________ is offensive?" We could all fill that blank in with something we feel is offensive (or that we feel others are overreacting to).
I think in our day-to-day lives, we use terms that hold little or no meaning for us while being loaded terms for someone else. If one of my rider buddies calls me something (for example, b***h), then I know the term is used with deep affection, love, and respect. However, if a stranger calls me that....well..that's different.. :icon_mrgreen:
I used to work as a Police Officer (I'm white) and my partner (and best friend) was a black guy. We went to a call one night where a black guy had gotten into a fight with a white guy because he called him the n-word. My partner looked at him and said, "Well are you?". The guy looked flabbergasted. He said, "well.. no". And my partner said, "Then what do you care?".
It's like old mantra, "Sticks and stones.."
The new politically correct term is 'intellectual disability'....and in a few years, when 'disability' becomes too risque to say, it will be changed again to something like 'scholarly delay'.
I work with the multiply disabled population and had used the term 'mentally retarded' regularly, professionally. I am not offended by this word used appropriately and respectfully at work. I am not offended by the way people use this word outside of my work. However, I know that I would be thrown into a fit of extreme rage if somebody ever teased one of my students/clients with the intent to demean using this (or really any word for that matter). A bit of a double standard, I know.
:dunno_black:
But, as said in other posts...it's all about intent and perception. Any word can potentially be changed/used as an insult. One thing is for sure....'retard/ed' is quickly going out, like it or not.
My rule of thumb when speaking with people I do not intimately know is "If it comes across my mind as potentially being wrong then don't even think about saying it". I know I've had bad days where someone says something or looks at me the wrong way sets me off. So, why even chance ruining someone else's day.
I can see where people would get upset if mental retardation had permeated their life. Personally, though as a disabled person I get a bit aggravated when people tip toe around the issue. Or use things like handicapable yes I've heard some people at my past jobs use that phrase. If anything I believe disabled is such a misnomer for those of us who have physical or mental issues. I am far from unable to do things. Ask those that know me I'm more of an able person than those that have no physical impairments. I just use my brains where my body doesn't always work.
Mary
I am not offended, and I have a son with autism. Sadly I think some people/situations are bad enough to warrant it and heck they would give the mentally retarded among us a bad name.
I mean I know of one fool who has had something like 10 DUI's, been to jail for it, and still cant stay home when he's hammered or ride a moped to the store get more beer.
Cool.
Buddha.
When people tell you they are offended, give them this pic...
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4093/4768278549_516b8e523b_z.jpg)
And if they are offended by that, then throw this one at them...
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4139/4826221558_41a5d22c3c_z.jpg)
:icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:
BTW, down here in Australia, we tell each other to HTFU all the time. We tell people to pull their heads in, stop whining, here's 50 cents go call some khunt who cares, and so on and so forth. Soft chicken also gets a mention. As does skirt, girls blouse and so on. We have pretty thick skin down here. So calling someone a retard is like water off a duck's back. It's about as lame an insult as you can make. Noone will tell you they are offended, but they'll probably blast you back for having such a pissy insult as retard. Even if you add some adjectives like mega retard, full-on retard, etc., it is really a nothing thing.
We take the piss out of each other so much down here, you'd actually think there was something wrong if some kind of name was not coming at you. Retard doesn't even register on the give a dam ometer...
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Michael
Quote from: pandy on February 28, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Big Rich on February 28, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
In short, I can be offended, or not, based on the context and motives of the word's use.
However, if a stranger calls me that....well..that's different.. :icon_mrgreen:
I like this line of thinking.
Quote from: mister on February 29, 2012, 04:00:30 AM
BTW, down here in Australia, we tell each other to HTFU all the time. We tell people to pull their heads in, stop whining, here's 50 cents go call some khunt who cares, and so on and so forth. Soft chicken also gets a mention. As does skirt, girls blouse and so on. We have pretty thick skin down here. So calling someone a retard is like water off a duck's back. It's about as lame an insult as you can make. Noone will tell you they are offended, but they'll probably blast you back for having such a pissy insult as retard. Even if you add some adjectives like mega retard, full-on retard, etc., it is really a nothing thing.
We take the piss out of each other so much down here, you'd actually think there was something wrong if some kind of name was not coming at you. Retard doesn't even register on the give a dam ometer...
(http://zionstrumpet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tumblr_lhhqerp0sb1qc6tkoo1_250.gif)
Michael
I think I would like it in Australia. :cheers:
My three thoughts:
1. The demeaned group should be the one to determine if a word is too hurtful. Otherwise its like asking a bunch of NBA centers if epithets aimed at short people offend them.
2. When in doubt, I try to refrain from piling on minority groups that have a hard lot in life.
3. Everything is context and intent. If my audience knows my intent and context, I may use words that are considered offensive. That said, there are maybe 50 people on the planet who know me well enough to understand my intent.
:thumb: to mister
Quote from: Juan1 on February 29, 2012, 10:58:59 AM
My three thoughts:
1. The demeaned group should be the one to determine if a word is too hurtful. Otherwise its like asking a bunch of NBA centers if epithets aimed at short people offend them.
2. When in doubt, I try to refrain from piling on minority groups that have a hard lot in life.
3. Everything is context and intent. If my audience knows my intent and context, I may use words that are considered offensive. That said, there are maybe 50 people on the planet who know me well enough to understand my intent.
1.) I love "list" posts! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Love/love-060.gif)
2.) I agree with your premise on all three items.
3.) Not being a minority in any facet of my existence; race, religion, income, intellect, physical attributes, etc... (
I'm just a very generic kinda' guy), so I would have to refer to someone that IS a minority to better understand the "hurtful" part of the issue.
Being one of the generic majorities of the planet, I have to rely on common sense; i.e. don't call a fat guy fat, he already knows it!
Thanks for posting your list. They're all good points. :thumb:
-Ej-
You see thankfully, no one calls a mentally retarded person a "retard". Its the people who are for lack of a better term "normal" who decide they are better than everyone else usually that start acting retarded.
Cool.
Buddha.
And there goes mister being a retard again :flipoff:
Quote from: ohgood on February 28, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
After I've met a few people that are mentally retarded, I'm convinced there is no excuse for the rest of us.
Using the word descriptively is fine. Using it in a demeaning, derrogartory fashion is a slap in the face to those that are by definition, retarded.
Its not about wether you're acting like an ass for using it out of context, its about you acting like an ass and not having the capacity to insult a person with gusto and some intelligence.
"Retard" is the best you can do ? Really ? That's pretty f%$king pathetic.
I'm sitting at a pool, watching some kids swim, play, learn and thrive. Some of them may be mentally delayed, physically broken, or suffering in more ways than any of the able bodied and minded people can understand. You know what, they're f%$king owning you right now, without even having to try.
Retard indeed.
exactly. if its used in a demeaning way then i would be. however, as some said we all act a lil retarded. like idiots. if i were to do such a hting. i couldnt get offended if someone called me out on it. however if that werent the case, then more than likely i would be
As a person who works with the mentally retarded, I actually find the term "intellectual disability" more offensive than the word retarded; mostly because the people trying to make the change seem to think that adding syllables to its name will change the condition. They also think I am insensitive for using the old terminology. I just prefer sticking to words and phrases that don't require a subsequent explanation.
"I work with people with intellectual disabilities."
"Oh, what does that mean?"
"I work with the mentally retarded."
"Oh, ok."
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on February 29, 2012, 06:35:21 PM
exactly. if its used in a demeaning way then i would be. however, as some said we all act a lil retarded. like idiots. if i were to do such a hting. i couldnt get offended if someone called me out on it. however if that werent the case, then more than likely i would be
You could say that only a "retard" would not understand that using the word is in poor taste.
Its crude and to be honest about it, it makes me a tad uncomfortable too.
But back to the point. . .
You can use the term retard in a derogatory manner if you like. That's your prerogative. What's more important is that it's
my responsibility to harden the fck up!
This is an internet forum, not Mrs. Puff's 5th grade English class.
I see a lot of crude and disrespectful items posted here that I am uncomfortable with, but it's 100 times better here than on some of those other motorcycle forums that boot you out at the first sign of making a ripple on the pond.
:bowdown: Bless you GStwins forum.
At least we can have an open discussion here without getting slammed by a bunch of greater-than-thou moderators.
-Ej-
thats like saying " i work with horizontally challenged people" Eh?, " i work wiht fat people "
Yama, wouldn't it be "horizontally endowed"?
Sorry, but I'm really not a big fan of "c@%t" Maybe I should just go around and call every man sperm donor. I also find it in poor taste when guys tell other guys to take "As does skirt, girls blouse and so on" I know many women myself included that can and do harder work than most men. As a woman that so called "works in a man's world" your misogyny does get old real quick.
I'll challenge any manly man on here to a challenge. Starting with your bike (gs500) in running order get your carbs completely off the bike and on the work bench with nothing broken. In less than 15 minutes with a "girls blouse" whatever the hell that is.
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 02, 2012, 09:31:09 PM
Sorry, but I'm really not a big fan of "c@%t" Maybe I should just go around and call every man sperm donor. I also find it in poor taste when guys tell other guys to take "As does skirt, girls blouse and so on" I know many women myself included that can and do harder work than most men. As a woman that so called "works in a man's world" your misogyny does get old real quick.
I'll challenge any manly man on here to a challenge. Starting with your bike (gs500) in running order get your carbs completely off the bike and on the work bench with nothing broken. In less than 15 minutes with a "girls blouse" whatever the hell that is.
I would put up the challenge if I knew what a "carb" was? :icon_lol:
Quote from: codajastal on March 02, 2012, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 02, 2012, 09:31:09 PM
Sorry, but I'm really not a big fan of "c@%t" Maybe I should just go around and call every man sperm donor. I also find it in poor taste when guys tell other guys to take "As does skirt, girls blouse and so on" I know many women myself included that can and do harder work than most men. As a woman that so called "works in a man's world" your misogyny does get old real quick.
I'll challenge any manly man on here to a challenge. Starting with your bike (gs500) in running order get your carbs completely off the bike and on the work bench with nothing broken. In less than 15 minutes with a "girls blouse" whatever the hell that is.
I would put up the challenge if I knew what a "carb" was? :icon_lol:
Isn't that what's in your avatar?
Quote from: shonole on March 03, 2012, 02:32:15 AM
Quote from: codajastal on March 02, 2012, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 02, 2012, 09:31:09 PM
Sorry, but I'm really not a big fan of "c@%t" Maybe I should just go around and call every man sperm donor. I also find it in poor taste when guys tell other guys to take "As does skirt, girls blouse and so on" I know many women myself included that can and do harder work than most men. As a woman that so called "works in a man's world" your misogyny does get old real quick.
I'll challenge any manly man on here to a challenge. Starting with your bike (gs500) in running order get your carbs completely off the bike and on the work bench with nothing broken. In less than 15 minutes with a "girls blouse" whatever the hell that is.
I would put up the challenge if I knew what a "carb" was? :icon_lol:
Isn't that what's in your avatar?
:icon_lol:
Not much to add to this little debate but two minor points, firstly context is everything, almost any adjective could be twisted or taken "wrongly" depending on it's use. Think irony!
National/ Regional variations, in a small country like the UK a word can be used differently in different regions, the larger the country the more scope for difference in interpretation. When I worked in the Port we provided special transport arrangements for people with various difficulties (widely abused but that's another story) originally called the disabled or disability arrangements, I was told the Americans found the word "Disabled" offensive, I don't know if that's correct or not but someone thought so.
Anyone not too sure about the Australian point of view should check out D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F / Kevin Bloody Wilson on u-tube. but not if you are liable to get offended!
Quote from: shonole on March 03, 2012, 02:32:15 AM
Isn't that what's in your avatar?
coda's avatar? Good point.
A better example. . .
Four GS500 guys are sitting in a diner (small restaurant) taking a lunch break joking around and using the term "retard" in a joking, derogatory manner.
All is fine until a mother walks into the diner with a 25 year old retarded son that she is caring for.
Then it's not much of a joke. :icon_neutral:
I think it's best to accept that some people have limitations, and to work with that in the most respectful manner you can.
I have lived with and cared for a couple of relatives with brain injuries, alzheimers and other similar challenges. Their day-to-day behaviour is similar to that of someone with a genetic mental disability from birth ~ often irrational and nearly always unpredictable.
And it is hard not to resent them a little bit for that some days, and this is where I think the sensitivity to the word 'retard' comes from ~ because it has been used in anger and frustration regarding another otherwise benign human being who perhaps through no particular fault of their own now has a far more limited ability to interact appropriately with others or manage their own affairs.
On the other hand, I've always thought the term 'handicapable' had more to do with assauging the guilt of non-handicapped people who were bothered by the devaluation implied by society.
I say let people be retarded and handicapped and treat them with dignity to the best of our ability. It's time to accept that some things are what they are, and move on.
Also, I wholly agree with those who would not tolerate someone demeaning another person because of their disability, or their shape, or their looks, or their popularity, their sexual orientation or their racial origin. And not because I'm some tree-hugging peacenik ~ I don't like a lot of things about a lot of people, but I also don't think it's acceptable to berate people for things that may or may not be fully within their means to control.
It doesnt offend me because of how it's used so often (And the fact that I am not mentally challenged (...well..medically diagnosed :D)).
It's like calling someone a fa---t. It's used so much on the internet, it's now more of a general insult.
Quote from: rayshon on March 04, 2012, 12:34:27 PM
It doesnt offend me because of how it's used so often (And the fact that I am not mentally challenged (...well..medically diagnosed :D)).
It's like calling someone a fa---t. It's used so much on the internet, it's now more of a general insult.
that is also an english term for a cigarette. uere in the US if i were to say, " im going to go smoke a faggot" someone would think a homosexuals life is in danger. however in the UK, if i said same thing, it really only means, that im going to go smoke a cigarette. and mary. theres plent of women who will do the same things guys do. ( which you were referring to) the term sperm donor is used alot in canada. to describe a few things, 1 a father having nothing to do with his offspring, or one where the woman chooses he have nothing to do with it. Or he was just there for that reason, a sperm donor. now regarding your challenge mary. since i no longer own a gs500, sold last one previous to moms death. id offer ANY challenge. wearing ANYTHING in white. from a formal blouse/ to a tshirt. IF someone can get the job done without getting the shirt dirty. id say that works. ( sweat wont count against person/challenger. ) id say that would be a bit more fair.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 04, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: rayshon on March 04, 2012, 12:34:27 PM
It doesnt offend me because of how it's used so often (And the fact that I am not mentally challenged (...well..medically diagnosed :D)).
It's like calling someone a fa---t. It's used so much on the internet, it's now more of a general insult.
that is also an english term for a cigarette. uere in the US if i were to say, " im going to go smoke a faggot" someone would think a homosexuals life is in danger. however in the UK, if i said same thing, it really only means, that im going to go smoke a cigarette. and mary. theres plent of women who will do the same things guys do. ( which you were referring to) the term sperm donor is used alot in canada. to describe a few things, 1 a father having nothing to do with his offspring, or one where the woman chooses he have nothing to do with it. Or he was just there for that reason, a sperm donor. now regarding your challenge mary. since i no longer own a gs500, sold last one previous to moms death. id offer ANY challenge. wearing ANYTHING in white. from a formal blouse/ to a tshirt. IF someone can get the job done without getting the shirt dirty. id say that works. ( sweat wont count against person/challenger. ) id say that would be a bit more fair.
Tha'ts F*G isnt it? not FAGGOT
FAGGOT is in fact a piece of dead wood. look it up
Pretty sure it means a bundle of sticks.
Yes, that it does twisted
Quote from: codajastal on March 04, 2012, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 04, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: rayshon on March 04, 2012, 12:34:27 PM
It doesnt offend me because of how it's used so often (And the fact that I am not mentally challenged (...well..medically diagnosed :D)).
It's like calling someone a fa---t. It's used so much on the internet, it's now more of a general insult.
that is also an english term for a cigarette. uere in the US if i were to say, " im going to go smoke a faggot" someone would think a homosexuals life is in danger. however in the UK, if i said same thing, it really only means, that im going to go smoke a cigarette. and mary. theres plent of women who will do the same things guys do. ( which you were referring to) the term sperm donor is used alot in canada. to describe a few things, 1 a father having nothing to do with his offspring, or one where the woman chooses he have nothing to do with it. Or he was just there for that reason, a sperm donor. now regarding your challenge mary. since i no longer own a gs500, sold last one previous to moms death. id offer ANY challenge. wearing ANYTHING in white. from a formal blouse/ to a tshirt. IF someone can get the job done without getting the shirt dirty. id say that works. ( sweat wont count against person/challenger. ) id say that would be a bit more fair.
Tha'ts F*G isnt it? not FAGGOT
FAGGOT is in fact a piece of dead wood. look it up
i stand corected
"Originally confined to the United States,[5] the use of the words "nancy boy" and "faggot" as epithets for ghey men has spread elsewhere in the English-speaking world, but the extent to which they are used in this sense has varied outside the context of imported US popular culture. The words "alternative lifestyle man", "homo", and "poof" are all still in common use in the UK, and some other countries, as pejorative terms for ghey men. The words "nancy boy" and "faggot", moreover, still have other meanings in the British Isles and other Commonwealth societies. In particular, "faggot" is still used to refer to a kind of meatball, and "nancy boy" is common as a slang word for "cigarette"."
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Who would be offending more if I called someone a retarded faggot? :flipoff:
Here being called a nancy boy does not necessarily mean you are gey but a little feminine. My Boss who is old school still uses the term "I gotta go smoke a nancy boy" which means he needs a cigarette.
Quote from: Cal Price on March 03, 2012, 03:01:58 AM
almost any adjective could be twisted
What did you call me?
i catch hell, when im gaming and say " brb gotta go to baghdad and take a shiite" i have a baghdad sign, over bathroom door.
maybe its teh shiites givin me hell. idk
In England...
F-g= cigarette
Faggot = meatball made with minced pork including the pigs liver (Yesterday's lunch) or Bundle of wood for kindling a fire.
Getting back to "tard" I think we probably all agree that context and company are what counts.
A little true story
A few years back I used to play in a skittles team (NINE pins, not ten and much smaller ball played outdoors in south of England but indoors in some other places usually with copious quantities of beer involved) One of our best players, let's call him Dave was also excellent at several other games requiring ball-hand-eye coordination. He was not the brightest spark but a nice guy, he worked as a cleaner and was proud of it, his father would describe him as "a bit slow" until one day a medical professional corrected him, "Dave is a person with learning difficulties" - Did this make Dave feel any better? Did this achieve anything for anybody? somehow I doubt it.
A couple of weeks ago I went to see a show by Reginald D Hunter a black American stand-up comedian who has been based in UK for about 15 years. he opened the act by apologising for his persistent use of the word "Homeboyus Africanus" He said "It don't offend me but I know it offends middle-class white people"
Isn't P.C. a wonderful thing.
Quote from: john on February 28, 2012, 08:13:02 PM
No. I don't think i'll remove this post. I am asking if it actually offends people. If somebody said "yes, it does offend me." I can deal with it. I actually wanted to simply know the general consensus. Looks like 6 or 7 no's, and two yes so far.
You people going off on a political rant need to drink a beer and chill out :icon_mrgreen:
I DON"T want this to be a flame fest. And I did update ohgood's title. Good suggestion.
Hey john, I'm using tapatalk ( mobile browsing is too slow) and can't see my title to the my original post. Would you please pm me what it was, and take my general apology if I offended folks with it ?
Thanks
Ohgood, your title is: Timing is Retarded
hahahaha funny thread. :thumb:
Yes I fully agree, people are too stupid nowadays, easily offended, and cant comprehend the main thing that comes out of peoples mouths.
Which would be, the person that uses a word, its defined by how they mean it to be.
NOT how ignorant morons make it out to be themselves by overhearing or being called it.
had a HUGE problem with that with my ex.
would Constantly take what I say and twist it into her own definition instead of asking what I meant if she was confused.
they're My words, I will use and define them as I dang well please :thumb:
and with that being said... haha
I use that word often.
Which is only when I am calling someone "stupid" basically. haha
Its My brain, My mouth.
I am not responsible for others ignorance. :thumb:
reminds me of an old female coworker that was WAYYY too easily offended by a few words.
one I used often hahaha "pu$$y"
which I would only use it as another means of calling someone a coward, etc etc...
yet anytime she overheard it. IT would hit the fan and she would snap.
she actually got my supervisor to lecture me for like 20 friggin mins one night!
but yes ppl need to chill the heck out nowadays.
kk rant off.
worked all night and about to fall over, so I hope this makes sense hahaha
or else im just being retarded hahahaha :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: Tombstones81 on March 05, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
but yes ppl need to chill the heck out nowadays.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2wc9e/2cents.gif) The last several posts were interesting. (http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2wc9e/2cents.gif)
It's good to see some of these stories & opinions come out.
Sure it takes a bit longer to read posts that are longer than 2 sentences but that's where the meat of the story lies.
Even better, we haven't gotten pushed over to the Tard Farm yet! :thumb:
Quote from: Tombstones81 on March 05, 2012, 11:45:14 AM
hahahaha funny thread. :thumb:
Yes I fully agree, people are too stupid nowadays, easily offended, and cant comprehend the main thing that comes out of peoples mouths.
Which would be, the person that uses a word, its defined by how they mean it to be.
NOT how ignorant morons make it out to be themselves by overhearing or being called it.
had a HUGE problem with that with my ex.
would Constantly take what I say and twist it into her own definition instead of asking what I meant if she was confused.
they're My words, I will use and define them as I dang well please :thumb:
and with that being said... haha
I use that word often.
Which is only when I am calling someone "stupid" basically. haha
Its My brain, My mouth.
I am not responsible for others ignorance. :thumb:
reminds me of an old female coworker that was WAYYY too easily offended by a few words.
one I used often hahaha "pu$$y"
which I would only use it as another means of calling someone a coward, etc etc...
yet anytime she overheard it. IT would hit the fan and she would snap.
she actually got my supervisor to lecture me for like 20 friggin mins one night!
but yes ppl need to chill the heck out nowadays.
kk rant off.
worked all night and about to fall over, so I hope this makes sense hahaha
or else im just being retarded hahahaha :icon_mrgreen:
agreed. ive had women get offended EASILY. yet they were fine with calling a guy out on the same context, and its perfectly fine. which i always said, hey, whats good for the goose, is good for teh gander Eh?" or sounds a lil like the pot calling the kettle black.
It's all part of the plan. If the powers that be can control language they can control us. It's all about central control of everything. Liberty is under full assault.
Is the word retarded offensive to me? By itself, no. I reserve my decision as to whether something is offensive or not by the message, not the words chosen to convey that message.
Quote from: john on March 05, 2012, 09:06:36 AM
Ohgood, your title is: Timing is Retarded
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agreed bill. the word itself isnt offensive. it is how it is used. or the tone of ones voice when using it, i couldget highly angry if it were used upon someone who well, was truly retarded. or disabled or what the definition has been accepted as pc. midgets are no longer midgets. theyre vertically challenged. obese people are no longer obese. theyre horizontally challenged. WTF :cookoo:
I thought midgets were Shetland people?
Quote from: Twisted on March 13, 2012, 04:47:05 AM
I thought midgets were Shetland people?
LMFAO. Hmmm what would an obese shetland person be then?
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 13, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
LMFAO. Hmmm what would an obese shetland person be then? [/quote]
Rolly polly and adorable? :icon_mrgreen:
Sure, but are you offended that Karl Lagerfeld called Adele "a little too fat" ?
Was watching a news bit today about a girl who has Tourettes syndrome (turns out she was nominated for a grammy for her song) and she was explaining how it hurt her when people would call her "retarded" and that the names was enough that if wasn't for her faith she would have killed herself because the words hurt so bad as a teenager! She was very bright but when she got stressed out had nervous tics and hand movements. Kinda why I think it is offensive.
I remember when abused as a kid I'd rather much had the physical abuse over the verbal abuse. Bruises go away but the hurtful things he said never went away.
Mary
Do we know why people with Tourettes syndrome only shout profanity? If a word is profane, it is a learned thing based on your language and culture.
We never hear them yell out "Your beautiful", "Happy", "Pretty".
What wires it to the language part of the brain that stores profanity?
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 20, 2012, 10:30:04 PM
Was watching a news bit today about a girl who has Tourettes syndrome (turns out she was nominated for a grammy for her song) and she was explaining how it hurt her when people would call her "retarded" and that the names was enough that if wasn't for her faith she would have killed herself because the words hurt so bad as a teenager! She was very bright but when she got stressed out had nervous tics and hand movements. Kinda why I think it is offensive.
I remember when abused as a kid I'd rather much had the physical abuse over the verbal abuse. Bruises go away but the hurtful things he said never went away.
Mary
i know a guy like this. a best friend of mine. he nicknamed himself twitch. hes an OTR truckdriver. and does well. when he gets stressed out his twiches will get a bit more intense. occasionally drops some Fbombs. not quiet ones. but rather loud. the word retarded i cannot find a good use for it. i had in hte past worked as a caregiver for a group of young guys all wiht mental issues. mainly they were, well retarded. but they were some of the sweetest people ive ever known. they were said when my health deteriorated and i had to go. ( a group home) but i promised id visit, and i do. we will sit and play cards, or board games, or hell even a ps3 or something.
Again, there is a world of difference between using a word to describe someone who has a deficiency, and using it to imply they are not worthy of the respect you would normally pay to another human being. And we all know the difference when we hear it.
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Yeah, Mister try telling that to a 12 year old kid who's father constantly told them that they are either stupid or retarded, they will never grow up to be anything worth living, they are a waste upon the earth. No matter how "strong" you are you begin to believe it when you hear it over and over and over. Yeah, almost 20 years later I "know" those words are not an accurate representation of me but when someone uses the word to me my PTSD kicks in and all the "knowing" in the world doesn't help. It has taken years of help to get where I can sleep at night (he loved sleep deprivation as a form of punishment for me not getting straight A's) but when the stress levels are up and I start to make mistakes from the fatigue the words come right back. For example I accidentally sent my professor a rough draft of my midterm term paper that didn't get overwritten and got an F on it. I didn't sleep the whole night and all I could think about was how my father was right I was too dumb to be doing this. It took quite a few friends telling me otherwise and my professor telling me it was an honest mistake to let it go.
I know I'm sharing WTMI on the net but I don't care anymore you wanna know why it may offend some so here is a reason from my heart.
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 24, 2012, 06:00:38 PM
Yeah, Mister try telling that to a 12 year old kid who's father constantly told them that they are either stupid or retarded, they will never grow up to be anything worth living, they are a waste upon the earth. No matter how "strong" you are you begin to believe it when you hear it over and over and over. Yeah, almost 20 years later I "know" those words are not an accurate representation of me but when someone uses the word to me my PTSD kicks in and all the "knowing" in the world doesn't help. It has taken years of help to get where I can sleep at night (he loved sleep deprivation as a form of punishment for me not getting straight A's) but when the stress levels are up and I start to make mistakes from the fatigue the words come right back. For example I accidentally sent my professor a rough draft of my midterm term paper that didn't get overwritten and got an F on it. I didn't sleep the whole night and all I could think about was how my father was right I was too dumb to be doing this. It took quite a few friends telling me otherwise and my professor telling me it was an honest mistake to let it go.
I know I'm sharing WTMI on the net but I don't care anymore you wanna know why it may offend some so here is a reason from my heart.
:kiss3: takes a brave person to do this mary :cheers:
I use the word so frequently its just a part of my vocabulary. Probably really juvenile, but I don't really care so whats the difference.
Quote from: bombadillo on March 26, 2012, 10:13:49 AM
I use the word so frequently its just a part of my vocabulary. Probably really juvenile, but I don't really care so whats the difference.
well the way i look at it. if its used in a demeaning fashion toward a well, "retarded" person, then id be upset. however, if i were acting in a retarded fashion or acting like an idiot, then hey i deserve it. or the way id see others deserving it. but for those that really cannot control how they act then no.
What a bullshit copout by the majority of the people in this thread.
If you wouldn't use the word to someone's face when it could actually apply to them, because you "have more respect" or "sensitivity" than that, then you sure as hell shouldn't be using it as a derogatory term towards anyone or anything else.
Yes, we've taken a big swing towards political correctness. But that's not always a bad thing. As was said earlier in this thread, language evolves in many ways. Some of those are that we mature as a society and generally stop using words that refer derogatoraly towards segments of our society. We realize that we don't get to use a word that other people have to contend with every day of thier lives. (At least, the more mature & enlightened members of society realize that. The rest soldier on as pathetic reminders of a backwards past.)
You know, I expect this kinda crap from the sportbike oriented forums I read. I go into them fully cognizent of the fact that the majority of the users will be immature squids. I was surprised, as I perused this board over the last several days, to found out that it's, in many ways, worse than what I see elsewhere. I certainly didn't expect to see "ghey" or "ghey" (really? You think that spelling it that way makes it less offensive?) bandied about as much as I do.
To answer the question, no, the word doesn't offend me. But the people who choose to use it in the manner referenced here certainly do.
Kudos to the handful of you in this thread who're against the use of the word.
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 13, 2012, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: john on March 05, 2012, 09:06:36 AM
Ohgood, your title is: Timing is Retarded
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agreed bill. the word itself isnt offensive. it is how it is used. or the tone of ones voice when using it, i couldget highly angry if it were used upon someone who well, was truly retarded. or disabled or what the definition has been accepted as pc. midgets are no longer midgets. theyre vertically challenged. obese people are no longer obese. theyre horizontally challenged. WTF :cookoo:
I have relevant experience about this, and most people are clueless, no matter how well intentioned they might be,whether they're bar patrons, cab or limo drivers, bouncers, cops, nurses, teachers, medics, you name it. They all show-up at bars, and they all meet my friend Todd. Oh, yes they do. Todd will be 40 this year, looks 30, he's a quadriplegic who sits in a wheelchair and cannot speak, but he's normal in every other way and loves to party and socialize. He uses a communicator to talk to us which is a specialized laptop computer. Most of the people I mentioned assume he's retarded, deaf, or both, and he's anything but. Yes, he's brain-damaged. His umbilical cord got caught around his neck and strangled him while he was being born, eliminating his ability to speak or have any fine movement in any of his limbs, but by my estimation he was 50 I.Q. points ahead of most of you to begin with, so after the damage he's even with you. He sees your phony sympathy a mile away and it drives him crazy. Some are sincere. Most are not, and you stick out like a sore thumb. Think about that next time you visit someone in a wheelchair. Assume he's a moron at your peril.
Let's understand what we're dealing with here. Plenty of ignorance to go around from where I sit. Top to bottom, ignorance, deep ignorance, is everywhere on this issue. Most of you don't have a clue what it's like to be severely handicapped with a normal mind. Worse than a murder sentence. Todd is a rare case, but he's out there. Don't make-up your minds too fast.
Quote from: bombadillo on March 26, 2012, 10:13:49 AM
I use the word so frequently its just a part of my vocabulary. Probably really juvenile, but I don't really care so whats the difference.
You sir have the emotional IQ of a teenage boy who is just now going through puberty. You think that what you said has some sort of "shock" value but it doesn't people have been pulling it for way to long. It just shows that you also don't have the intelligence to come up with an original remark. I pray that you never become disabled or retarded because you are not emotionally strong enough for it.
Good day to you all. I'm out of this argument.
Mary
Quote from: bill14224 on March 30, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 13, 2012, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: john on March 05, 2012, 09:06:36 AM
Ohgood, your title is: Timing is Retarded
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agreed bill. the word itself isnt offensive. it is how it is used. or the tone of ones voice when using it, i couldget highly angry if it were used upon someone who well, was truly retarded. or disabled or what the definition has been accepted as pc. midgets are no longer midgets. theyre vertically challenged. obese people are no longer obese. theyre horizontally challenged. WTF :cookoo:
I have relevant experience about this, and most people are clueless, no matter how well intentioned they might be,whether they're bar patrons, cab or limo drivers, bouncers, cops, nurses, teachers, medics, you name it. They all show-up at bars, and they all meet my friend Todd. Oh, yes they do. Todd will be 40 this year, looks 30, he's a quadriplegic who sits in a wheelchair and cannot speak, but he's normal in every other way and loves to party and socialize. He uses a communicator to talk to us which is a specialized laptop computer. Most of the people I mentioned assume he's retarded, deaf, or both, and he's anything but. Yes, he's brain-damaged. His umbilical cord got caught around his neck and strangled him while he was being born, eliminating his ability to speak or have any fine movement in any of his limbs, but by my estimation he was 50 I.Q. points ahead of most of you to begin with, so after the damage he's even with you. He sees your phony sympathy a mile away and it drives him crazy. Some are sincere. Most are not, and you stick out like a sore thumb. Think about that next time you visit someone in a wheelchair. Assume he's a moron at your peril.
Let's understand what we're dealing with here. Plenty of ignorance to go around from where I sit. Top to bottom, ignorance, deep ignorance, is everywhere on this issue. Most of you don't have a clue what it's like to be severely handicapped with a normal mind. Worse than a murder sentence. Todd is a rare case, but he's out there. Don't make-up your minds too fast.
i meet people in this situation frequently. and converse with them like theyre one of us. because they are. i need to learn at least some sign language. because i run into MANY deaf people. i know just 3. hello, goodbye and thank you, well 4 counting " i love you. " but that one is rarely used. except in conbination with thank you. regarding the mentally retarded. i dont know how you would converse wiht the mentally retarded/ or i guess its developmentally disabled?, i see many talking SLOWLY to them , " like H...e.....y T.....h....e...r.....e" most i know by name. and most can understand if we were conversing. its liek incoming they can process fine, its outgoing that many have trouble with
There's another misconception. There's no need to speak slowly to the low I.Q. club. Retarded people can listen as fast as we can. They're often sneaky, manipulative, and downright nasty too.
My mother made her career in the mental health field and couldn't always find babysitters so I spent a lot of time around retarded folks when I was a kid. Most of them are not people you want to be around. Most of them are not very nice at all. Forrest Gump was a movie. Retardation usually brings-out the worst in people. I guess I'm saying retarded people are on average quite a bit nastier than the general public. They are not equivalent to the rest of us, just with a low I.Q. There's more to it than that but in this P.C. world it cannot be discussed.
There, I spoke the truth. Let the rocks fly.
Quote from: bill14224 on March 31, 2012, 09:21:37 AMThere's no need to speak slowly to the low I.Q. club. Retarded people can listen as fast as we can.
My mother made her career in the mental health field and...I spent a lot of time around retarded folks when I was a kid. Most of them are not people you want to be around.
Let's keep in mind there are people with challenges who are still highly functional and then people who are right off the chart and would be dead in short order if someone didn't look after them 24/7.
Someone with a disability that is still communicative and ambulatory is a far cry from someone who takes their clothes off and defecates in public.
There is some stuff in the world that truly sucks but you learn to deal with it and make the best of it you can, and not through calling it something it isn't. In our lifetime we will soon have the world's largest population of disabled people the world has ever seen ~ I only hope we will have the right mix of intelligence and humanitarianism to deal with the challenges this will bring.
someone here had a custom title. we todd did. the full version goes like this"
i am we todd did. sofa king we todd did. which by itself looks like random words. but when said aloud....... ive worked for a local group as a caregiver in a group home. these guys , and ladies too. ( was a 5 bdrm home. ) but as a child helped by easterseals, back in the day ( 78-79-80. i was/am, hydrocephalic. anyhoo back to the guys/gals. those people i consider them as equal to if not better than us. and DAMN smart too . guys can game. ( pc stuff. like bf2 planetside in my sig there is a screenshot of game. ) when they get angry though. WOW id not want to be their opponent. earning their trust however was the interesting part. if they had the mind of say a 7yo, i could get on their level. and earn their trust. trust was and is key there. once i had to move on like i described earlier in this thread, and had to get my replacement to take on the responsibilities. when that happened, he had earned their trust, and the day i left i threw a party. i still try to stpo by and see how htey are doing. they do remember me. so they imho are not less of a person than i am or you are or whatever. they just have a different set of circumstances than myself or you. but i thoroughly enjoyed their company.
If an adult has the mind of a 7 year. old they are no longer an adult, but a 7 year. old in an adult-size body. Doesn't make them less 'valuable' as a human being, but definitely not equal to or better than a person with normal abilities.
Why do people have such a hard time accepting that not everyone is equal ? I can't understand why we have to artificially elevate our opinions of others to be able to treat them with respect.
Quote from: SAFE-T on April 01, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
If an adult has the mind of a 7 year. old they are no longer an adult, but a 7 year. old in an adult-size body. Doesn't make them less 'valuable' as a human being, but definitely not equal to or better than a person with normal abilities.
Why do people have such a hard time accepting that not everyone is equal ? I can't understand why we have to artificially elevate our opinions of others to be able to treat them with respect.
am sorry i dont agree with this on principle. ( partially) to see one as leass equal, to me would say meh your less of a person. i do see what you were trying to say though.
This thread is retarded :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff:
Think of it this way ~ children are not our equals either, but we still treat them with due care and respect. A lot of people are less valuable to society when you think of it, but we still owe them their dignity.
LESS of a person, but not less of a PERSON.
And I think this is a pretty good discussion, for a motorcycle forum.
Good golly man, this thread is STILL going? (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/doh.gif)
If this gets moved over to my neighborhood (The Tard Farm), we can set ya' all up with some Aussie psychotherapy and get this issue nailed down once and for all.
Just sayin' :whisper:
Peace,
-Ej-
Quote from: SAFE-T on April 02, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
LESS of a person, but not less of a PERSON.
Gotcha my friend. i mis-interpreted