Hi guys.
Just wondering if the mods are actually legal in QLD in particular.
Looking at doing-
K&N filter
New sprockets
Rejett
Thanks for the advice?
Jutto
Far as I know all legal.
Where abouts in Qld are you?
All those mods are legal in Qld - but - I would question Why do them at all.
The only mods NOT legal in Qld are...
- Fenderectomy (chopping off that dangling piece of plastic below the number plate)
- removal of exhaust with catalytic converter in it and replacement with exhaust without cat. If your bike came with a cat and you install aftermarket exhaust they must still run through a cat, otherwise it will be a $600 fine and 3 points! And the cops that pull bikes up in blitzes have the gear to Test for the presence of a cat.
As I mentioned in the other thread, leave your carbs alone (don't mess with your carbs and they will not mess with you). If you want to make adjustments to the bike, start with heavier fork oil, add a front fork brace (it does make a difference) and adjust the rear preload. You could swap out the rear shock BUT you may find adjusting the preload suits you and the shock can stay stock.
My bike with 53,000km on it, of which I have put all of those on, is totally stock and I am happy with it as such. I can still overtake B Doubles :thumb:
As for oil leak. Just writing, "I have an oil leak but don't know where from" doesn't help anyone diagnose it. We need more info. How do you know you have an oil leak? If there is some oil on the ground, where is it located in reference to where the bike sits?
Michael
The Aussie bikes seem to be different to the American bikes, whatever you do don't mess with your carbs unless your putting new o rings in. Honestly keep your bike as stock as possible, you can do like I did and mod your suspension, I've put stiffer springs in the forks, but I've kept the stock ones when it comes time to sell, and I've put an r6 shock in the back only because my oem shock shat itself on a ride and it was a cheaper to put an r6 on than put another oem one on.
Also remember any mods you do may affect the LAM status of the bike. If you make the mod and try to pass the bike as a LAM bike (and it is not) then you can land yourself in trouble.
New GS500F owner here, just wondering what is different between the Aussie and US bikes and why you guys recommend avoiding re-jetting. There's a lot of info out there that says it's a good thing.
Quote from: luke4224 on August 27, 2012, 04:03:51 AM
New GS500F owner here, just wondering what is different between the Aussie and US bikes and why you guys recommend avoiding re-jetting. There's a lot of info out there that says it's a good thing.
DO NOT REJETT YOUR CARBS ON AN AUSSIE BIKE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE GOTTA TELL YOU PEOPLE,
Actually I havent got a clue why? I am pretty sure our jets are bigger on our bikes for a start and our emission controls are slightly different as well so maybe that is why ours are BETTER? Yes you Yankees I said it.....Our bikes are better than yours. NA NA NA NA :flipoff:
Quote from: mister on April 27, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
The only mods NOT legal in Qld are...
- Fenderectomy (chopping off that dangling piece of plastic below the number plate)
Michael
Done it :thumb:
Quote from: mister on April 27, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
The only mods NOT legal in Qld are...
- removal of exhaust with catalytic converter in it and replacement with exhaust without cat.
Michael
Done it :thumb:
Quote from: mister on April 27, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
As I mentioned in the other thread, leave your carbs alone (don't mess with your carbs and they will not mess with you).
Michael
Never done it and hey both my bikes run great :thumb:
Quote from: mister on April 27, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
The only mods NOT legal in Qld are...
- removal of exhaust with catalytic converter in it and replacement with exhaust without cat.
Michael
Actually I think I did the opposite? Did not have Cat Convert and put on one that does? :thumb:
Cods going green for the cause lol. Yeah do not re jet your bike, apart from the power implications with the Lams scheme it's more trouble than it's worth cause people may say its good but read through the 300 threads about "help I re jetted and my bike doesn't run or runs like shaZam!". There's an Aussie saying that's serves us well. If it ain't broke don't fix it. apart from risking your bike running like a dog you'll ruin the excellent fuel economy that the GS gets. Leave it stock as a rock till your off your lam license, your next bike that's isn't a lam will be the one worth making go faster. However if you have the annoying itch to tinker chuck a fork brace on with some stiffer fork springs and oil. I've got a set of .85 sonics all ready to go $80 plus postage. I can throw in an aluminum fork brace for another $20.
Hey guys,
Have read heaps about these "sonics" springs, do they really make that much difference? I am about 95kgs, have adjusted my preload on the rear, but haven't touched the front. IYO (especially from fellow aussies) does it make that much difference? Also, would just changing the fork oil to a heavier grade make any difference? I have a 2008 naked.
Cheers for any advice,
Andy.
Just changing fork oil will make a difference, dont know about the springs
Slips can tell you about the springs as he had them in his bike.
Quote from: andymal13 on August 27, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
Hey guys,
Have read heaps about these "sonics" springs, do they really make that much difference? I am about 95kgs, have adjusted my preload on the rear, but haven't touched the front. IYO (especially from fellow aussies) does it make that much difference? Also, would just changing the fork oil to a heavier grade make any difference? I have a 2008 naked.
Cheers for any advice,
Andy.
Makes a world of difference I weigh about the same the bike dives less under braking, tips in quicker, feels better in the corners and I felt I achieved greater lean angles. I had 15w fork oil at 91mm too if memory serves me right. If your interested pm me.
So that was re jet or not to jet?? Lmao
The previous owner of my bike cut the rear fender off ( number plate) but hey ... So far all good. Although I was told today I need to check my carbs ( I opened a thread on it)
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Quote from: slipperymongoose on August 27, 2012, 02:38:25 PM
Cods going green for the cause lol. Yeah do not re jet your bike, apart from the power implications with the Lams scheme it's more trouble than it's worth cause people may say its good but read through the 300 threads about "help I re jetted and my bike doesn't run or runs like shaZam!". There's an Aussie saying that's serves us well. If it ain't broke don't fix it. apart from risking your bike running like a dog you'll ruin the excellent fuel economy that the GS gets. Leave it stock as a rock till your off your lam license, your next bike that's isn't a lam will be the one worth making go faster. However if you have the annoying itch to tinker chuck a fork brace on with some stiffer fork springs and oil. I've got a set of .85 sonics all ready to go $80 plus postage. I can throw in an aluminum fork brace for another $20.
So is it safe for the engine to just fit an exhaust and air filter to an Aussie 2013 GS500F without rejetting? What advancing the ignition timing?
No you'll have to rejet to do that.
Aussie bikes are just harder!! ... the special upside down HTFU effect of the geomagnetical realignment of the steel and other metal particles in Aussie bikes means we dont need to mess with shaZam!!!! :icon_lol:
i recently bought a mikuni carb racing rejetting book and slide rule thingy from Weedahoe in the 'States ....
not so much cos i want to change my jets .. but as a reference tool/book to better understand the carbs , improve my almost non existant knowledge of bike carbs in general .. including what parts go where in case i need to clean the suckers!! .. and drop something!
and most importantly.... to take another carb tuning book out of USA circulation to try and help them leave the damn carbs alone!! .. :D :flipoff: ... if they cant read it then they might just leave things be and have a better chance of smoothly running carbs!! :cheers:
:thumb:
Quote from: jolt77 on September 15, 2013, 08:30:06 PM
So is it safe for the engine to just fit an exhaust and air filter to an Aussie 2013 GS500F without rejetting? What advancing the ignition timing?
You should be fine without re-jetting. My bike is a year older than yours and I didn't need a re-jet when I changed the exhaust or intake.
Did you buy your bike at ProCycles or SCM?
A good place to get your bike serviced is Lloyd Penn Motorcycles at Artarmon.
http://www.lloydpennmotorcycles.com.au/
They have a good reputation, specialise in Jap bikes and I've seen quite a few GS500s whenever I've been there.
Hi Phil
Not sure if you remember me but I used to have an S15 too with rego IS151 back in 2001-2003 when you were helping Greg to set up NSCC.
I bought my GS500F from SCM but their Kogarah store because they offered the best price. My first time riding on the road was from Kogarah to Chatswood in peak hour on a Friday night!
I've heard good things about Lloyd Penn, so I think I'll fit the parts myself and take it there for them to double check the tune.
Have you done anything to your bike yet?
Cheers
Rod
Hi Rod. I'm sure if I see you I'll remember you. That rego plate is certainly familiar.
I've done most of the things to my GS that are on your mods wish list. I have a few more in mind but I am also thinking of selling the GS. It is a great commuter but I wouldn't mind something with more power for when I'm out of the city or need to get ahead of the traffic.
The NSCC is still going fairly well. Greg worked in the US for a couple of years. Now he lives in St Leonards and owns a black Toyota 86. It's the closest thing you can buy these days to the good old 200SX. As for me, I went Lotus Elise. Small, light, fast, RWD; it ticked all of the right boxes for my type of car.
I was the guy who first used the CES dual dump in Sydney, although I understand that didn't work out too well later on for others.
Yes, the Elise is pretty awesome ... especially with a K20 conversion, right?! ;)
PS: Let me know ASAP if you are interested in selling some of those mod's as I've started ordering parts already!
I liked my CES dump pipe and never had a problem with it.
Yes, K20 conversion and it is awesome.
Not selling any of the bike mods. They will go with the bike if I sell it.
BTW, don't bother about heated grips until about April or May next year.
If you're over 80kgs, get the front springs and/or damper oil uprated as the first mod. The worst bit of the standard GS is how much the front bottoms out over small bumps.
The second mod should be an uprated headlight. Something like a Philips or Narva +80 or higher globe. It makes a significant difference. Everything else is more or less rice. You won't get noticeably more power from exhaust or air filter but it will be louder. I rarely take the buttplug out of my Staintune Exhaust as it gets annoying on longer rides.
If you want to power a GPS, phone, tyre pump or whatever, fit a waterproof 12v socket. Johnny Appleseed down at North Sydney sells good RAM mount gear for mounting phones etc to the bike. Add some sort of tailbag or box for carrying stuff. Get a puncture repair/tyre plug kit from MCAS or SCM and a small tyre pump from http://andystrapz.com/
Any tips on where to get front springs in Sydney?
What about a good place to pick up carb jets in Sydney?
Quote from: jolt77 on September 18, 2013, 06:17:19 AM
Any tips on where to get front springs in Sydney?
Im all for supporting Aussie business but in this case don't waste your time looking for these in Oz. Go get the Sonic Springs from the USA - http://www.sonicsprings.com/catalog/calculate_spring_rate.php
Lloyd Penn supplied and fitted front springs for my GS. They also did the same for the Honda VTR250 I had. Can't remember whether or not they are Sonics but I though the price was reasonable and they do a good job.
If I keep the GS (as I said, it is a good commuter) I will probably find and fit a Yamaha R6R rear shock. It is a popular, and apparently worthwhile handling mod. Still being relatively new to this motorcycling thing and never having taken a "good handling" bike for a serious ride I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference. I do know I keep up okay with plenty of the more serious bikes and riders in the twisty bits and I don't count myself as a "good" rider.
Quote from: Twisted on September 19, 2013, 02:38:06 AM
Quote from: jolt77 on September 18, 2013, 06:17:19 AM
Any tips on where to get front springs in Sydney?
Im all for supporting Aussie business but in this case don't waste your time looking for these in Oz. Go get the Sonic Springs from the USA - http://www.sonicsprings.com/catalog/calculate_spring_rate.php
+1 on that advice
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Confused??? I went and saw Lloyd Penn during my lunchbreak yesterday and he said just to fit the uprated front springs, when I asked about the oil he said not to bother?
I've ordered a full Delkevic exhaust from eBay along with a K&N lunchbox from Amazon but he said that he thought it would run dangerously lean with the K&N and when I suggested rejetting he said he wouldn't bother.
Weird as everything else on this forum suggests oil in the front shocks and K&N lunchbox are great mods???
Thoughts?
Front springs and oil will depend on your weight. You may be a lot lighter than me in which case a slight increase in the springs may be enough.
I didn't go with the lunchbox. I just fitted the K&N version of the original style filter. I wanted a re-usable, long life air filter. There is sfa horsepower gain from the air filters and I'm not fussed about any noise increase.
I'm 100kg, so I think I'll definitely need both improvements to the front end, right?
I know there's SFA to gain from air filter (and exhaust too probably) but as ricey as it sounds, I am looking for as much acoustic entertainment as I can get until I can upgrade to a non-LAMS bike.
Mine is sprung for a 100kg rider. :D If you want to test the difference this weekend, let me know.
Quote from: jolt77 on September 19, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
I'm 100kg, so I think I'll definitely need both improvements to the front end, right?
I know there's SFA to gain from air filter (and exhaust too probably) but as ricey as it sounds, I am looking for as much acoustic entertainment as I can get until I can upgrade to a non-LAMS bike.
100kg rider will be 85 or 90 sonic springs. The idea of using a heavier fork oil is to improve dampening. 15w fork oil will suffice when replacing the oil.
If you want to avoid a rejet just do the exhaust. If you do the K&N lunchbox filter and exhaust you will have to rejet.
Quote from: Banzai on September 19, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
Mine is sprung for a 100kg rider. :D If you want to test the difference this weekend, let me know.
Thanks for the offer Phil, I might take you up on it another time though as I'm on Daddy Daycare Duty all weekend with the missus away for a couple of days.
Anybody in Oz done an R6 rear shock conversion? Any ideas where to source a good condition low km one from?
Quote from: jolt77 on September 23, 2013, 01:21:21 PM
Anybody in Oz done an R6 rear shock conversion? Any ideas where to source a good condition low km one from?
Yep I did it and the conversion video and got it all of eBay from the USA. I paid 20 bucks for the shock plus 60 postage vs anywhere from 300-400 sourced locally
Yeah I just rang these asking for a 2007 or later R6 rear shock:
www.motorcyclewreckers.com $300 for a 2010 or still $200 for a 2006
www.vicwreck.com.au $250
Can you use a YZF600 rear shock as well? Being aimed more at comfort than the R6, would it be better suited to the GS500?
So exxy for these compared to prices I've seen quoted on the forum!
just to backup Slips .. last month i bought a 2000 model Katana shock for $25 on ebay .. $68 to ship it from USA .. took about 8 days to get here?! .. much easier overall! ..
i still cant get my head around why the wreckers over here are STILL charging so much for shocks... they must know whats available online?... :dunno_black:
I'm not seeing any 2007+ R6 rear shocks on eBay (AU or US) for a decent price either, any hints on what I should be searching for?
At these prices, I'm wondering how much to convert the front end ... even it's a bit more expensive at least you get an upgrade to dual brakes.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/YAMAHA-2008-10-R6-YZFR6-YZF-R6-REAR-SHOCK-14335-1052-/321171223969?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac74bf5a1&_uhb=1
YAMAHA 2008-10 R6 YZFR6 YZF-R6 REAR SHOCK 14335-1052
Price:US $95.00
Approximately AU $100.58
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/07-08-ZX-6R-ZX6R-6-R-ZX6-Rear-Suspension-Shock-Spring-w-Linkage-/290981499224?hash=item43bfd95158&_uhb=1
07 08 ZX-6R ZX6R 6 R ZX6 Rear Suspension Shock & Spring w/ Linkage
Price:US $79.00
Approximately AU $83.64
Thanks, I don't know how I missed that one??
Is the second one from a ZX6? Do they fit as well?
Quote from: jolt77 on September 24, 2013, 07:34:03 AM
Thanks, I don't know how I missed that one??
Is the second one from a ZX6? Do they fit as well?
I honestly dont know about the second one but I cannot see why not :dunno_black:
Quote from: codajastal on September 24, 2013, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: jolt77 on September 24, 2013, 07:34:03 AM
Thanks, I don't know how I missed that one??
Is the second one from a ZX6? Do they fit as well?
I honestly dont know about the second one but I cannot see why not :dunno_black:
The ZX6r one won't fit. It 40mm to longer than the GS and R6 shocks. You need to find an R6 shock with the clevis not eyelet.
Quote from: Twisted on September 25, 2013, 01:58:46 AM
Quote from: codajastal on September 24, 2013, 04:14:45 PM
Quote from: jolt77 on September 24, 2013, 07:34:03 AM
Thanks, I don't know how I missed that one??
Is the second one from a ZX6? Do they fit as well?
I honestly dont know about the second one but I cannot see why not :dunno_black:
The ZX6r one won't fit. It 40mm to longer than the GS and R6 shocks. You need to find an R6 shock with the clevis not eyelet.
:thumb: :cheers:
Managed to wrestle a new Delkevic exhaust onto the bike after making things much harder for myself than they needed to be!
Love it though and good to have an exhaust note now. 😜
Thanks for the pointers Unsane!!
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Nice. And Wisemans Ferry, even nicer. A lot of experienced riders hate the bumpiness of the road north of the ferry.
Quote from: jolt77 on September 28, 2013, 08:15:08 PM
Managed to wrestle a new Delkevic exhaust onto the bike after making things much harder for myself than they needed to be!
Love it though and good to have an exhaust note now. 😜
Thanks for the pointers Unsane!!
Looks awesome Rod - hope we can head out for a ride as soon as I get my license back! The TLR is coming together but it should be done by Christmas!
Quote from: Banzai on September 28, 2013, 10:51:03 PM
Nice. And Wisemans Ferry, even nicer. A lot of experienced riders hate the bumpiness of the road north of the ferry.
Soft!! :icon_lol:
I completely understand and I've had a few butt clenching moments along there but it's a beautiful part of the world and a perfect escape from the day to day grind, especially as you follow the river after you get off the ferry.
Remember, that whilst some mods are "legal" in one sense, it may not be if it's a LAMS bike because any performance modifications even if it's under the 150kW/tonne limit will still render it as non-LAMS. It's stupid I know, but just a heads up.
Also, you will have to notify insurance if you add a slip-on or any such thing. When I got my insurance with SWANN, I went under a cheap-as-chips comprehensive insurance scheme as long as I don't have any performance mods. No after market exahusts, air filters, etc.
Accessories such as lighting, ventura racks, etc. are fine.