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I don't agree sorry. Yeh I know their always has to be one...... but listen.
I agree that electronic aids should not be fitted to lower displacement bikes or "learner/starter bikes". Example - A rider should learn to ride with out these. So he knows how a bike corners with cold tyres. So he knows what a bike will do when you hit a greasy patch or a line on the road in the wet. So he knows how much brake he needs to apply in different situations.
Where I do not agree is I think these electronic aids almost need to be on modern super sport bikes these days. Bikes are getting faster and faster. They are installed to protect the rider on high HP machines. Just as you get the same devices in modern cars why can they not be installed on bikes? Most bikes have a button on the dash with modes or styles such as sport, touring, wet, and off. If it is not your thing use the off button. Simple. Why deny a rider something that is going to help keep him safer?
Moto GP bikes are crazy fast and most of the riders know how to handle a bike. You take these aids away and I see a lot of potential crashes and injury.
Just my opinion.
Quote from: Twisted on April 27, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
I don't agree sorry. Yeh I know their always has to be one...... but listen.
I agree that electronic aids should not be fitted to lower displacement bikes or "learner/starter bikes". Example - A rider should learn to ride with out these. So he knows how a bike corners with cold tyres. So he knows what a bike will do when you hit a greasy patch or a line on the road in the wet. So he knows how much brake he needs to apply in different situations.
Where I do not agree is I think these electronic aids almost need to be on modern super sport bikes these days. Bikes are getting faster and faster. They are installed to protect the rider on high HP machines. Just as you get the same devices in modern cars why can they not be installed on bikes? Most bikes have a button on the dash with modes or styles such as sport, touring, wet, and off. If it is not your thing use the off button. Simple. Why deny a rider something that is going to help keep him safer?
Moto GP bikes are crazy fast and most of the riders know how to handle a bike. You take these aids away and I see a lot of potential crashes and injury.
Just my opinion.
Not just your opinion!
+1
I'm for it too on big bikes I just copied and pasted lol
Man, I need to learn how to slide my back end around corners so bad!!
Quote from: tt_four on April 27, 2012, 08:16:49 PM
Man, I need to learn how to slide my back end around corners so bad!!
sit your arse on the wet floor somewhere and fart
Ha ha ha rofl
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on April 28, 2012, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: tt_four on April 27, 2012, 08:16:49 PM
Man, I need to learn how to slide my back end around corners so bad!!
sit your arse on the wet floor somewhere and fart
I actually laughed out loud then and scared the cat off the couch. :bowdown:
Quote from: codajastal on April 28, 2012, 02:12:33 AM
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on April 28, 2012, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: tt_four on April 27, 2012, 08:16:49 PM
Man, I need to learn how to slide my back end around corners so bad!!
sit your arse on the wet floor somewhere and fart
I actually laughed out loud then and scared the cat off the couch. :bowdown:
that was funny :D
I don't believe we need MotoGP super bikes on the road just like I don't believe NASCAR or Indy Cars should be on the road. I don't know where you live but I'd say 95% of those on GSXR's or Busa's don't know how to ride them!!! Their gear consists of wifebeaters, shorts, and flip-flops which to me means "I have no respect for what this bike can do to me".
When putting all of this "technology" into the cars you really think it has made things safer? NO! It has just made the person more bored behind the wheel so they do things to distract themselves from the benign task of driving which is anything but benign.
Mary
ok then, while were at it, lets take off anythign which can go faster than 70 mph because theres not many places where speed limits are higher. ive no issue against powerful cars or bikes on the road, IF RIDDEN REPSONSIBLY
Quote from: Twisted on April 27, 2012, 03:07:03 PM
Where I do not agree is I think these electronic aids almost need to be on modern super sport bikes these days. Bikes are getting faster and faster. They are installed to protect the rider on high HP machines. Just as you get the same devices in modern cars why can they not be installed on bikes? Most bikes have a button on the dash with modes or styles such as sport, touring, wet, and off. If it is not your thing use the off button. Simple. Why deny a rider something that is going to help keep him safer?
I'm of the opinion that if a car needs electronic nannies in order to be driven at 8/10ths, it has too much power for the street. I developed this theory while turning the traction control off on a base 2006 Corvette. That car was too much work and not enough fun in the twisties.
Even though I think most super sports are overpowered for the street*, due to the mortal consequences of losing traction on a motorcycle I am OK with electronics.
*When did 0-60 in 4 seconds flat become slow? Do people really need to hit 60 in under 3 seconds while riding to work?
In a word yes lol :D
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 01, 2012, 05:07:46 PM
ok then, while were at it, lets take off anythign which can go faster than 70 mph because theres not many places where speed limits are higher. ive no issue against powerful cars or bikes on the road, IF RIDDEN REPSONSIBLY
Too true. Yes most super sports are overpowered for the street but it's a choice to buy one or not. It is nice to have the choice to be able to go out and buy one of these bikes. Hell just because today you like one bike does not mean you may like another type in the future. And you can use the electronic aids to help you ride responsibly.
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on April 30, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
I don't believe we need MotoGP super bikes on the road just like I don't believe NASCAR or Indy Cars should be on the road. I don't know where you live but I'd say 95% of those on GSXR's or Busa's don't know how to ride them!!! Their gear consists of wifebeaters, shorts, and flip-flops which to me means "I have no respect for what this bike can do to me".
When putting all of this "technology" into the cars you really think it has made things safer? NO! It has just made the person more bored behind the wheel so they do things to distract themselves from the benign task of driving which is anything but benign.
Mary
I see a few stereotypes in your post Mary. Sure there are squids out there but where & when I ride they are pretty few. You seem to only notice them and not the safer riders cause they stick out like a sore thumb.
God I hope it's not me
God I want a gopro so that you guys can see down here it is not a stereotype! When something is in the majority it is not a stereotype!
Here is the definition of stereotype for you: A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing: "sexual and racial stereotypes".
Now I will make an operational definition of being appropriately geared up 1. You must have a helmet 2. closed toe shoes 3. gloves 4. long sleeve T-shirt ( I won't even say jacket) and 5. Pants
I used these 4 requirements because it is what the MSF course requires you to wear for the class. While I know it won't be as good me just counting of what I see (like I said I want a GoPro!). I'm pretty sure more than 50% of the riders on Kissimmee roads will not meet the operational definition of being geared up. So, it will not be a stereotype when I call most of Kissimmee riders squids!
Mary
Here some quick Fl. stats done by Fl DOT
These were done in a hurry!
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Mary
Quote from: Toogoofy317 on May 02, 2012, 07:14:55 AM
Now I will make an operational definition of being appropriately geared up 1. You must have a helmet 2. closed toe shoes 3. gloves 4. long sleeve T-shirt ( I won't even say jacket) and 5. Pants
I used these 4 requirements because it is what the MSF course requires you to wear for the class
Even this, is really INappropriate definition.
That "gear" *cough, choke* is for when you are anticipated to be going *no faster than 20mph*.
Lets not confuse newbies who may be reading this thread:
for real world riding, you need better than "a long sleeve t-shirt and pants".
Hey it is what the MSF course requires and what I'm going with! With that said other than me yesterday out of 19 bikes only 1 fit that measly definition of being geared up.
Here is the break down for you in Kissimmee Florida May 2, 2012
First 3 bikes I saw were cruiser style bikes all three were wearing helmets, T-shirts, shorts, and tennis shoes. The next 2 I saw were also cruisers they were wearing bikinis, no helmets, and flip flops. The next bike was a cruiser he was wearing a helmet, tank top, tennis shoes. Next, a cruiser no helmet, t-shirt, jeans, and work boots. After that, a Triumph helmet, T-shirt, jeans, tennis shoes. A scooter shorts, T-shirt, sandles. A Hayabusa helmet, long sleeve oxford shirt sleeves rolled up, dress pants, work boots. Another cruiser helmet, t-shirt, jeans, and work boots. A Ninja Helmet, jeans, tennis shoes and a t-shirt. Cruiser no helmet, sandles, tank top for both rider and passenger. Scooter no helmet, no shirt, no shoes, shorts. Busa no helmet, no shirt, shorts, flip flops. And finally a NT700 think that is it a touring bike Helmet, jacket, riding pants, gloves, motorcycle boots,
If you want to add myself I was in my FF helmet, Jacket, gauntlet gloves, suzuki pants, and motorcycle boots. So, even with the "INappropriate" definition you said 0.05% of the riders even made that cut! Also, I think I explicitly stated that it was the definition of being geared up for the MSF course. I never stated it was appropriate riding gear for the road. I also said this wasn't scientific in any way and said it was a weak operational definition to try and give as much lee way as possible. If someone can't master reading comprehension they shouldn't be on the road in the first place.
I think my point has been made.
Mary
Back on topic...
Well I don't agree - having now clocked up almost 1800km in 10 days on my new bike which has TC & ABS, ridden everything from sticky hot suburban streets, winding mountainous curves and absolutely bucketing rain I have not felt either system kick in once because I ride to my limit - not the bike's limit.
I know some people in the Ninja community who seem to have forgotten the first rule about throttle control and just pin the gas mid corner, hammer the brakes as hard as possible at the last minute, and intentionally provoke wheelies to test the system... but not me. My attitude to electronics is the same in cars as it is on bikes. Knowing that it could potentially save me from disaster in an emergency situation gives me a certain peace of mind, but I would only ever want it to work right before shaZam! is about to get heavy - not on the exit of every apex.
Seems kinda hypocritical that the dude in the video @1:03 says "take responsibility" just as he's powersliding his bike. In all honesty, I think Suzuki has an inferior and overpriced product in the GSX-R1000, compared to the Kawasaki, BMW, Yamaha and now Honda supersports bikes. Inferring that you have LESS control on a bike with electronics is a steaming pile of bullfrog, especially when these bike are built to be ridden on the ROAD!