Guys, I'm getting ready to purchase this used car. Guy sent me an incomplete picture of the title because he kept mis-typing the VIN. I was ecstatic until I realized the title listed a "NBR of Liens: 1", unfortunately I can't see the bottom portion of the title where the lien would've been released.
Title is in his name. He has the title. I don't know how that would work...
Can somebody offer some information for me? I'm really bummed about this...
Luckily I haven't purchased the car yet.
what state is the vehicle titled in? other than physically inspecting the paperwork I would be leary of it.
Walk away kijona :nono:
If the lien is not released, somebody else has legal rights to posess the car if they choose. Usually, once a lien is released, a new title is obtained. Though I don't think it is a legal requirement.
The title cannot be transferred unless the lien is satisfied. I would go to the title bureau with the guy and give him the money when/after the transfer takes place, not before. Otherwise it'd be a no-go.
Edit: In the state of Ohio, I believe a title may still bear lien stamps even after a lien is satisfied. Thus, I don't believe a lien stamp is the end of the world, at least depending on your location.
Quote from: backfold on July 20, 2012, 09:08:30 PM
what state is the vehicle titled in? other than physically inspecting the paperwork I would be leary of it.
I see 1 lien on the title but I can't see the area of the title that would show where the lien was/is released or the lien holder's name. So...it's VERY possible he HAD a lien on it, then got it resolved but never got a new title.
Title is in his name. Looks like it's old...lots of fold marks and stuff.
Did a cheap vehicle history report. He's owned it since 2007.
Quote from: Leadberry on July 20, 2012, 09:15:38 PM
The title cannot be transferred unless the lien is satisfied. I would go to the title bureau with the guy and give him the money when/after the transfer takes place, not before. Otherwise it'd be a no-go.
Edit: In the state of Ohio, I believe a title may still bear lien stamps even after a lien is satisfied. Thus, I don't believe a lien stamp is the end of the world, at least depending on your location.
That's what I'm thinking.
very possible, as long as lien has been released title can be transferred. sometimes, ( like here) this is done on the title, or a letter of release accompanies document
Okay, I obtained a little more information. I managed to read the top part of the "Mail To" address on the title. It's an Auto Pawn establishment here in GA. So what this means is the Tag, Tax, and Title division sent the title TO the agency, NOT to the guy.
What this means is it was in their possession. It seems LOGICAL that they would hold onto the title until the loan was paid off, right? Why would they have it mailed to them just so they could send it right back to the guy without the lien being lifted?
The good thing is I now know where it was pawned, so I can contact them tomorrow and ask if the lien has been lifted, IF they will disclose that information. If not, I can ask how their system WORKS and if the fact that he has the title would mean he satisfied the lien.
I REALLY hope this works out because I REALLY want this car.
#5116
True story:
Cal. owner (#1) sold bike to WA guy (#2).
WA guy transferred title (we wonder how - when you get to the end).
#2 guy sold bike to #3.
#3 went to transfer title.
DOL voided the title because there was a title in CAL.
#2 and #3 could not contact #1 to straighten it out.
Tabs expire in April 2012. #3 gave up and sold a 2006 GS500F for $1600 as a parts bike.
Engine in Phenix, other parts went elsewhere.
Seems after #1 sold it, #1 paid off the bank and CAL issued a new title without a lien.
Question is: How did #2 title it in WA unless someone screwed up or #1 forged paperwork, indicating lien was signed off?
#3 could have filed an "Unknown Owner" form and it takes 3 years to clear. During that time, #1 could at anytime claim the bike and walk away with it.
Ergo - a parts bike.
Title must be clean if you expect to license it.
You can take the VIN to your licensing department and they can tell you if there is a lien. I did that before buying the parts bike - knowing it could only be a parts bike and never re-titled.
Kijona,
The guy is not an idiot. He deliberately mistypes the VIN, he deliberately didn't photograph the entire thing. So, two examples of dishonesty. Why would you have Anything else to do with this bloke? Screw his car, go find one somewhere else.
Michael
The title can have a lien listed on it ,and it be 100% paid off to the owner.
That just means they had to get a loan ,and make payments on the vechicle...and when it was paid off...the lienholder signed it and released it.
The lien will go away the next time the title is transferred.
-CS
I second Burnchassis, but everyone else has made good points as well. Mister made a great point too, if this guy isn't being forthright and is screwing around, dragging his feet, giving half the story then this is probably not a great idea. If he's like that with the paperwork, what is the car really like underneath everything?
I financed my last truck, so on my title I have one lien holder listed. That was the lending bank, and they held the title until the loan was settled. They then signed the title next to their name indicating that they approve of whatever the next transaction that title takes, because they no longer have any stake with the vehicle. If you see the title and the lien holder signed off on their stake,you might be okay, but I would call up the auto pawn place to make sure that any loan he took out on the car has been payed off [and didn't forge the sig.] You don't want to trade money for title only to find out that you also bought his unpaid auto loan and had him skip town on you.
Quote from: burnchassis on July 21, 2012, 03:11:11 AM
The title can have a lien listed on it ,and it be 100% paid off to the owner.
That just means they had to get a loan ,and make payments on the vechicle...and when it was paid off...the lienholder signed it and released it.
The lien will go away the next time the title is transferred.
-CS
If thats the case, the owner should get a certificate of lien release.
Ended up buying the car. I called the place that the lien belonged to. They told me they don't give the title back unless the lien has been released. The lien is released on the bottom of the page.
That still wasn't good enough for me. I went into the ONLY TT&T (Tax, Tag, and Title) division branch that's open on Saturday, waited in line for an hour or so, then gave all the information to the woman at the counter. She helped me greatly. She told me "In Georgia, the only way for him to physically have the title, is to have had satisfied the lien." She also went on to give me a LOT of information about the car, and it all checks out. She said she couldn't give me much information about who owned it or anything (privacy), but I asked her outright "Well, do you see ANYTHING on there that would be suspicious?" and she said "No, nothing at all." and she did definitely look through all the history she had.
I'm sure it's fine. The title is old enough and everything matches up.
Nice!
no pics?!
Quote from: Tombstones81 on July 22, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Nice!
no pics?!
It's a $1300 car... a Geo Prizm AKA Toyota Corolla, lol. It's nothing special. And frankly, it's not even worth taking pictures of.
Here's the pics the guy sent me before I bought it:
http://imgur.com/a/uw4lg#24
Good thing is...apart from the stereo (huge kettle of fish) and the master cylinder for the brake...everything works. AC is nice and chilly, heat is...well..hot...all the lights work, shifts great, has a new clutch, new spark plugs...everything is easy to get to on it. Shouldn't be hard at all to get another 100k out of it.
Quote from: Kijona on July 22, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
http://imgur.com/a/uw4lg#24
Yup, it's a car. Just checking. :D
Damn, i wish i would've known that's the car you were looking for. Friend of mine just sold his corolla for $500. Needed a cv joint but had a "sweet" sony x-plod stereo. I think it was only about 140k. Still seems you did good on it.
Quote from: Huff1371 on July 22, 2012, 06:05:23 PM
Damn, i wish i would've known that's the car you were looking for. Friend of mine just sold his corolla for $500. Needed a cv joint but had a "sweet" sony x-plod stereo. I think it was only about 140k. Still seems you did good on it.
Thanks anyway bro. :) Kinda far, I'm in Atlanta.
Nice ride! Those things will damn near last forever. My dad had an 89 Corolla, and he used to take it anywhere. Hell, he'd go bogging in it, just to prove he could. :icon_twisted:
Yeah, shipping would be $500.
Georgia has a bit looser title rules than Ohio where I live. In OH, if there is an issue, get ready to wait and have drama. The courts get involved here and it's a waiting game in that case.
I'd make sure that the lien is released completely and a letter from the lien holder (bank) before ANY money changes hands. No title = no tags, so proceed with caution.
Quote from: jestercinti on July 23, 2012, 10:34:56 AM
Georgia has a bit looser title rules than Ohio where I live. In OH, if there is an issue, get ready to wait and have drama. The courts get involved here and it's a waiting game in that case.
I'd make sure that the lien is released completely and a letter from the lien holder (bank) before ANY money changes hands. No title = no tags, so proceed with caution.
I called the lien holder (GA Auto Pawn) and they told me point blank that they don't give titles back without being paid back in full. Also, the lady at the TT&T office told me that in GA titles are NOT given back in that situation until it's taken care of.
cant beleive NO-ONE has jumped on this...
if the car has a lean (yeah its deliberate) .. then its probably the suspension on one side has broked .. or mebbe the PO was a lardass and beefed it up on one side too!! ..
or mebbe just dont park it on the kerb ... if'n its flat on the street then it dont be leanin no more! :icon_mrgreen:
Edit: glad its working out. Had a big long post written, and missed tge part where everything checked out.
Quote from: Kijona on July 22, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Tombstones81 on July 22, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Nice!
no pics?!
It's a $1300 car... a Geo Prizm AKA Toyota Corolla, lol. It's nothing special. And frankly, it's not even worth taking pictures of.
Here's the pics the guy sent me before I bought it:
http://imgur.com/a/uw4lg#24
DUDE, is that a standalone equalizer above the head unit? I haven't seen one of those in a car since the late 90's/early 2000's. Man...
P.S. - Those Corollas are built like tanks and it doesn't look bad either. Just need some door panels it looks like. If you have a Pull-a-part near you, that is THE place to be for cheap parts for older vehicles.
Quote from: Leadberry on July 23, 2012, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Kijona on July 22, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Tombstones81 on July 22, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Nice!
no pics?!
It's a $1300 car... a Geo Prizm AKA Toyota Corolla, lol. It's nothing special. And frankly, it's not even worth taking pictures of.
Here's the pics the guy sent me before I bought it:
http://imgur.com/a/uw4lg#24
DUDE, is that a standalone equalizer above the head unit? I haven't seen one of those in a car since the late 90's/early 2000's. Man...
P.S. - Those Corollas are built like tanks and it doesn't look bad either. Just need some door panels it looks like. If you have a Pull-a-part near you, that is THE place to be for cheap parts for older vehicles.
Rocking the Grateful Dead sticker too..
Kijona, check that sucker good for shake, I'd be willing to bet there's some in there, especially around the edges of the carpet, and in the center console. :whisper:
Whoa. It has an intake. Thats an easy 25hp. And the last post might be right, check it real good and you might find enough pot to pay for it. Still,thing should last forever.
Quote from: shonole on July 23, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Leadberry on July 23, 2012, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Kijona on July 22, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Tombstones81 on July 22, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Nice!
no pics?!
It's a $1300 car... a Geo Prizm AKA Toyota Corolla, lol. It's nothing special. And frankly, it's not even worth taking pictures of.
Here's the pics the guy sent me before I bought it:
http://imgur.com/a/uw4lg#24
DUDE, is that a standalone equalizer above the head unit? I haven't seen one of those in a car since the late 90's/early 2000's. Man...
P.S. - Those Corollas are built like tanks and it doesn't look bad either. Just need some door panels it looks like. If you have a Pull-a-part near you, that is THE place to be for cheap parts for older vehicles.
Rocking the Grateful Dead sticker too..
Kijona, check that sucker good for shake, I'd be willing to bet there's some in there, especially around the edges of the carpet, and in the center console. :whisper:
Already blew the entire inside out with a leaf blower. Smelled horrible in there...like old diapers. Saturated the seats with Febreze. Let it air out over night.
Funny thing you should mention that though. After blowing it out, I was standing near the hood of the car talking to my neighbor, and I could've SWORN I smelled some MJ burning (the car was running).
Thankfully it looks like they took the time to vacuum the inside out really good. I just wanted to get all the dust and stuff out.
Quote from: Leadberry on July 23, 2012, 07:34:29 PM
Quote from: Kijona on July 22, 2012, 01:20:11 PM
Quote from: Tombstones81 on July 22, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Nice!
no pics?!
It's a $1300 car... a Geo Prizm AKA Toyota Corolla, lol. It's nothing special. And frankly, it's not even worth taking pictures of.
Here's the pics the guy sent me before I bought it:
http://imgur.com/a/uw4lg#24
DUDE, is that a standalone equalizer above the head unit? I haven't seen one of those in a car since the late 90's/early 2000's. Man...
P.S. - Those Corollas are built like tanks and it doesn't look bad either. Just need some door panels it looks like. If you have a Pull-a-part near you, that is THE place to be for cheap parts for older vehicles.
That's another thing. The stereo is in FUBAR'ed shape. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to go through and rewire everything because it's a jumbled mess and half the FREAKING wires are missing, and there are lots of wires that don't belong.
Finally got the tunes working in my car. Thank god for that.
It's ACTUALLY a decent head unit. Believe it or not.
I used the old 6x8's from my Ranger (which actually had a premium sound system put it in from the factory in 1997) for the rear, along with some liquid nails to cement them in place. Then the door panels I filled with some Sony XPLOD 6x9's. Now my car is banging. Lol.
Now to install that 1000w subwoofer/amp in the back... :cookoo:
Kidding. I'm not that absurd.