OK - on a whim I browsed Amazon for "Suzuki GS500". There was one place selling spark plugs for $34.99 a pair. WTF? Are they insane? I researched what they were selling.
BRISK BR12ZC racing premium performance spark plugs. What made them different was
1. Ring fire
2. 3 rings of ring fire
3. Copper innerds
Many of you know I spend money on crazy upgrades where you can "get one really cheap at Wally-Mart". Yes, but my bikes always start and I never have to use a battery tender - ever. (referring to LiFe batteries for $150 and optional MosFet regulators for $120)
So I bought a pair. They came in yesterday. Put them on last night and fired up Phenix. :woohoo: Almost no choke. Seemed to run smoother. So this morning I moved Junior out of the way and rode Phenix to work.
Immediately I noticed something was different. Lack of back firing (yes, Phenix needed valve adjustment and carb balancing). VERY SMOOTH running. Even power and more power than before - all the way down to 2.5kRPM - smooth running and acceleration.
Interesting - I had brand new iridium plugs in him. Not like I was comparing Brisk to regular plugs. I was comparing the Brisk premium plugs to the $7 iridium plugs. There was more improvement from iridium to Brisk than there was from regular to iridium (which wasn't much)
So I rode him to the beach for lunch. started up with no choke and ran smooth right from the start. It was like a new bike. Cruising around Alki Point at 3500 rpm - perfectly smooth. Never a variation in the sound or RPM's. Like a perfectly running engine. and we know our engines do fluctuate a little in RPM's and sound when running and especially idling. None of that. Rock solid. Every firing of the cylinder was the same. Farkling unbelievable.
Went home for something and the neighbor said something was different because Phenix was running quieter and smoother. While talking and idling at 1.4k RPM - there was absolutely no variation in the firing, sound or rpm's. I have never had a bike idle with absolute perfect firing every time.
The conclusion? REPLACE YOUR PLUGS AND YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE A NEED TO REJET FOR MORE POWER! I have a smoother running engine. Definitely more power. Smoother running at low RPM's. Better acceleration.
$17.99 .vs. $7 for iridium or $2 for regular plugs. Worth it? ABSOLUTELY! The literature says about 3hp more power. YES! Ibet the mileage will go up as the literature claims.
Probably the easiest, cheapest performance upgrade you can do for your bike.
Lots of info at http://www.briskracing.com/brisk-premium-multi-spark-plugs/premium-multi-spark-racing-br12zc-spark-plug-detail
I bought them here http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00861N4OE/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M2C_SC_3p_dp_i1
From the ad and so far I find everything absolutely true:
Product Features
1. Higher HP and torque by up to 3 %
2. increased economy by up to 5%
3. 360° Firing Technology
4. Improved acceleration by up to 15 %
5. 25,000 miles - 40,000 km duration
Says they work for 2004-2007 GS500F's. They won't work for bikes older than 2004?
#5154
Spark plugs for our GS500's are the same for all years. We know even the cylinder heads are interchangeable for all years (only difference is the mechanical tach gear for 89-00 bikes).
I just ordered sets for the rest of my bikes.
Quite often we places selling GS500 parts and list specific years - for whatever reason is sometimes unknown. Fortunately 95% of the parts are the same for all years. Though it never hurts to ask. That's why many of us are here.
They do list the same plug on their real site for all GS500's
http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/performance-bike-spark-plug/suzuki/gs500e/2000-1989
http://www.magnumtuning.com/en/detail/performance-bike-spark-plug/suzuki/gs500f/2007-2004
So you can order from them directly or Amazon.
I'll have slightly used iridium plugs to get rid of when the rest of the Brisk plugs come in next week.
Price: $34.99 ???
#5154
Quote from: codajastal on July 26, 2012, 04:02:07 PM
Price: $34.99 ???
That is for TWO! (Were you reading it upside down?) Check the Amazon ad - states for 2 plugs.
I had the $17.99 price in my posts.
They should pay for themselves after a few months in gas savings and less gas needed due to increased power.
Quote from: adidasguy on July 26, 2012, 04:07:45 PM
#5154
Quote from: codajastal on July 26, 2012, 04:02:07 PM
Price: $34.99 ???
That is for TWO! (Were you reading it upside down?)
Ahhh thats where I went wrong lol
We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order. :dunno_black:
Quote from: codajastal on July 26, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order. :dunno_black:
Google "br12ZC". You'll probably get a dealer there.
Or try Magnum Tuning's site directly (I posted the link)
Or try www.brisk.com
Or go to www.brisk.eu
Yeah I ordered directly from the Magnum site and paid with paypal. All done without a hitch :thumb:
Thanks for shopping with Magnum Tuning.
ORDER SUMMARY
Item(s) Model Qty. Each Total
Performance Bike Spark Plug - 677 Suzuki GS500E 2000-1989 TZUBR12ZCBFGC
( 1989 ) 2 $17.99 $35.98
Shipping cost $5.90
Selected payment method Paypal
Extra Discount $0.00
Subtotal $41.88
Order number : xxxxxx 07/27/2012 01:15
#5156
Cool! I hope you are as impressed with them as I am.
We should have a pool - who will be the first person to tell us we're wasting our money and they can get spark plugs at Wally-Mart for $2.
Bookmarked for future purchase when I have the $$.
(Flying to Colorado in a week and also need a new back tire first, car and bike inspection)
so extra $$ is spoken for, for only about 3 weeks tho.
Thanks Adidas! :thumb:
pshhhh 41 bucks for 2 spark plugs shipped? i can get a good pair for 8 bucks at auto zone
total rip-off
Quote from: iclrag on July 26, 2012, 05:12:46 PM
pshhhh 41 bucks for 2 spark plugs shipped? i can get a good pair for 8 bucks at auto zone
total rip-off
#5158
YOU WIN!
As your prize, you get:
1. One crappy "really great" Wally mart battery
2. 3 cans of flat black to spruce up your bike with a super rattle can look
3. A 1/4" drill to put extra holes in your exhaust to make it louder
4. A Harley tattoo
5. Bent clutch and brake levers so you won't feel bad when your bike falls over as the levers are pre-bent
6. One roll of bailing wire to hold your bike together
7. One roll of duct tape (3M gray color) to make your own racing stripes
8. One string to attach to your seat lock because you broke a key in the seat key lock
oh darn it... already a winner .. i really needed that string and duct tape too!! :angel:
plugs noted and longed for!
So what you are telling me is that I could have saved $30 on a lunchbox filter and another $25 on jets? :o
It will be interesting to see what happens if I put them in my modified rejetted bike. I have iridium plugs in there now and I think it runs fine. However, that was comparing to what it was before, 100% bone stock.
and personal update!
Not going to Colorado now.
So I will be ordering these on Weds!
Will give an additional review when I install and run them
#5160
Well, riding around tonight. I notice I run lower RPMs, can be in a higher gear and even at 2500 rpm it doesn't chug when accelerating. I also notice I use less throttle.
After the gym, I started it up (sorry, HIM up) for a friend. Bike sat for almost 2 hours. No choke. NO touching the throttle at all. One brief blip on the starter button and it started up and idled at 1400 rpm nice and smooth. I never have had a bike do that before. We were both impressed.
Another neighbor noticed that Phenix was quieter.
Overall - I am really impressed. I feel there will be maybe 10% improvement in mileage based on how I am riding now. I can't wait for the plugs to come in for the rest of my bikes.
Just a word on the Iridium plugs... if you buy them get them from a Reputable and Known seller of Authentic stuff. Otherwise you could end up with a Chinese Copy which won't do diddly.
So..... anyone tried those Ultrasonic plugs?
Michael
I actually just replaced my old, grubby looking plugs with Iridium (bought at a local dealer, so not chinese), but haven't noticed a huge difference, maybe a little smoother?
I'm definitely going to look into these and maybe get a pair when I get the funds (old laptop dying, new one on it's way, ugh...)
I'm still a bit skeptical, but I'll be happy to hop on the bandwagon with a few more testimonials.
1. Higher HP and torque by up to 3 %
2. increased economy by up to 5%
3. 360° Firing Technology
4. Improved acceleration by up to 15 %
5. 25,000 miles - 40,000 km duration
That's about 1 more HP at best. I change standard plugs at 6-7k miles and notice the difference in performance. With 95k miles on my 02 GS now I notice even more improvement in performance after a 2-3k mile oil change. Sounds like a value equal to a Suzuki oem air fillter bought at list price. Hope the duration claim holds up and you get the 25k miles out of them, at about $2.5 per DPR8EA9 the value might be nearly equal.
if the contest would have been for zip ties I would have bit earlier. wire is too much trouble.
(you paid too much for plugs)
The newer automotive plugs (in watercooled engines, anyway) last a lot longer than the old style plugs.
I replaced my Chev Impala's plugs at 100K. The original AC Delco Iridium plugs I pulled out looked the same as the new AC Delco Iridium plugs I put in... I think they could have gone another 100K if not for the risk of them galling into the head. Plugs cost about 4X as much as the cheapys, but I figure it's also good for another 100K... that's 4-6 fewer times I need to work on the plugs. Win.
I'll be skeptical until I come over and see/feel/hear it for myself. I'll keep an open mind, but there is only so much a spark plug can do.
#5166
This morning I wanted to see how well they work. as you mentioned it was warm yesterday, this morning it was 55 so that would be a good test.
Started with no choke or throttle. It did die out after about 30 seconds. So I started again with just a little blip of the throttle. No choke. Idled fine at 1100. In 30 seconds it went up to 1400 idling. Rode off to work. No choke. Ran better than he ever did with iridium plugs and the choke.
I'm convinced they work better.
Working on the video now.
Cant wait to see the video on them. The way you speak about them makes me want to buy a set!
Put in an order for a set. We shall see if Adidas is smoking crack or not :icon_razz:
Also ordered a set of the Bullet Vis running lights. Been wanting a set for a while now. :woohoo:
Ouch very unhappy about my local zuki dealer then as I payed 20 a plug and 'apparently' they only come in 4 packs so am left with two spares. . . Yay :( wish I had of known about these lol
Quote from: DV8RSB on July 27, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
Ouch very unhappy about my local zuki dealer then as I payed 20 a plug and 'apparently' they only come in 4 packs so am left with two spares. . . Yay :( wish I had of known about these lol
There's a reason some call them stealerships. Now then, some are better than others, and the same one can be reasonable on one part and rip you off on another. But it's always best to have some idea of what you are dealing with before you walk in there, so you can choose to walk right back out if they want you to bend over and drop your pants...
Case in recent point - I now have 25 each of the pilot screw o-ring and the top cover o-ring in Viton, which set me back $6 and $3, respectively. Not only was the local dealer out of them (and 4 days to get from suzuki) but they want $3+ each. McMaster sent them in 2 days - if UPS hadn't goofed, would have been one. There were some other things in the order, so I can't say exactly what the shipping for just those would have been, but they are very small and light - along with some heavy stuff it was $5 or so shipping. If anybody had been willing to measure a set that wasn't shot, I could have had the whole set of carb o-rings (not the float gasket, which is a Suzuki-only or at least Mikuni-only part) 25 times over for about the price of one or two each at the dealership. Which is why I measured the new ones as carefully as possible and posted those measurements in my thread and the carb sticky thread for the next guy...
I may have some teeny tiny o-rings for sale when I feel like I have time to be a "responsive seller" - and they won't be $3 each.
Just to keep Adidasguy truly happy - you could have bought some at wally-mart for, like, $2 each ;^)
Anyone care to try to explain where the benefits may be coming from? Dyno comparison would be perfect but I don't see that happening any time soon.
#5168
Quote from: kml.krk on July 27, 2012, 04:52:28 PM
Anyone care to try to explain where the benefits may be coming from? Dyno comparison would be perfect but I don't see that happening any time soon.
The Brisk site has performance data. Also a video showing the difference in the spark.http://www.briskracing.com/brisk-racing-performance-spark-plugs-advantages
MY VIDEOShowing me starting up Phenix this morning with no choke at 55 degrees. I didn't know if he would start without choke or not. He did. never has started before without the choke. He always needed choke and a minute of warm up.
http://youtu.be/r9RZzzCtEjg
Woohooo second view :D (im assuming you were the first) great video, but walmart is still cheaper :flipoff:
i may have to get some
nice! I am impressed.
If I was still commuting on a bike I would actually get those! I can't wait to read more testimonies.
PS. I don't care for increased HP much but any help with starting, especially in winter, is greatly appreciated here :)
Well, it was a full day of twisties. 160 miles in all. My mileage in Phenix was about 5% better than I ever had: 62 mpg.
One problem I find in a group doung twisties that affects my mileage is the huge 1300's like Harleys and Yamahas. Their engines have better engine braking so in the turns and twisties they can just let off the throttle. I often have to do a little braking then hit the throttle again to keep a proper distance behind them. I think that cost me a couple mpg. Not complaining - I had a fantastic ride today. Smallest bike on the ride today was a Yamaha 200 dual sport. There was a cool Honda CBR-250.
What I noticed most in comparing Phenix now with him before, and the other 3 GS500's was performance.
When going 60 or so and hitting the throttle, it accelerated. There was no momentary hesitation or any feel of sluggishness. Yes - it is a 500 and won't pop a wheelie. But on a sudden twist of the throttle, it was smooth with no perceptible drop in power all across 3000-8000 rpm (I don't know if I went over 8k - I happened to see 8k at one time.)
Overall power band seemed smoother with no drops or hesitation or sluggishness.
I'd say overall I am quite impressed and pleased with these plugs. Perhaps the better spark results in much better combustion resulting in the improved performance.
When I get the rest in, I will do some video of before and after as a comparison. I know it can be hard to understand the difference. We all know our bikes and how they run. Each bike has a personality and characteristics to how it performs. That's how I can tell the difference.
FYI: Phenix has a 2006 engine with stock carbs and in need of valve adjustment and the carbs probably could use a good cleaning as the PO was not good at maintenance and admitted that (motor from a 2006 bike bought for parts due to farkled up title making it untitleable).
If only Wally-mart carried them everyone would be happy (right iclrag?)
I'm taking a leap of faith too.
Look what I found on fleabay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/160708587033?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D160708587033%26_rdc%3D1
Lots has been said about Brisk plugs over the years in various bike and car forums but this is the comment that sticks in my mind the most.
We, Brisk, don't claim any specific value increase of HP rating. What you have seen on the link, is an independent stockist/supplier, marketing the spark plugs with their own HP claims, and this has nothing to do with Brisk.
From here: http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278645
Makes you wonder what else could have been ` made up` and whats fact and whats fiction :D
I guess if you perceive an improvement with these plugs and are prepared to accommodate the extra cost and reduced lifespan that goes with them then go for it, afterall its your cash. I am quite happy with the way my bikes start/run/tickover using traditional style OEM plugs. If they were good enough for Suzuki when the GS5 was designed they are good enough for me now and I doubt the average rider would even notice 1 or 2 extra hp on a well maintained GS5. My mpg figures are always a variable depending on conditions and choice, afterall I ride for kicks not for economy and I can see +/- 15 mpg. I am not going to pay extra for something that supposedly increases gives a slight increase in economy when it is of no concern to me.
BTW brisk are not the only ones who make surface discharge plugs, just about all the major manufacturers have their own take on the design strange thing is they dont seem to have caught on. The biggest question of all though is.........if all these gains can be made just by fitting a particular sparkplug why aren't the manufacturers doing it on the assembly lines??
Quote from: sledge on July 30, 2012, 02:48:44 AM.if all these gains can be made just by fitting a particular sparkplug why aren't the manufacturers doing it on the assembly lines??
cost
These plugs obviously shoot the spark into un obstructed compressed mix. The rest of the plugs in the world have the hook electrode in front and the arc is to that electrode. My thought is that these wont last as long as the old style ones. They obviously have some way of making that occur, and I suspect it may give up sometime long before the regular ones do.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: codajastal on July 30, 2012, 02:56:54 AM
Quote from: sledge on July 30, 2012, 02:48:44 AM.if all these gains can be made just by fitting a particular sparkplug why aren't the manufacturers doing it on the assembly lines??
cost
Brisk plugs cost 4-5 times the price of traditional plugs because people are prepared to pay 4-5 times the price than traditional plugs.
Suzuki will be buying thousands and thousands of sparkplugs at a time, manufacturers want to sell them thousands and thousands at a time, because it is a far more cost efficient way of doing it for both parties.....economies of scale etc. The discounts will be huge and the actual difference in `factory gate` cost per unit between the two types, assuming THERE IS actually one would be insignificant when you consider the potential gains and increased market appeal the `improved` bike would have.
Quote from: The Buddha on July 30, 2012, 04:49:21 AM
My thought is that these wont last as long as the old style ones. They obviously have some way of making that occur, and I suspect it may give up sometime long before the regular ones do.
If you read far enough in the gixxer forum thread that sledge linked, you'll see that someone who purports to be from Brisk UK says that under normal conditions, they should be changed out after 15k miles
max whereas you could expect iridium plugs to be good for 20k+ miles under the same conditions.
Trade off: Easier starting, better throttle response, higher cost, slightly shorter life expectancy VS. normal starting, normal throttle response, much lower cost, slightly better life expectancy. :dunno_black: It still comes back to what is most important to you...your bike's performance or your wallet?
Quote from: sledge on July 30, 2012, 06:17:07 AM
Suzuki will be buying thousands and thousands of sparkplugs at a time, manufacturers want to sell them thousands and thousands at a time, because it is a far more cost efficient way of doing it for both parties.....economies of scale etc.
I agree in part. But the cost to Suzuki of the Brisk plugs will likely never be a
negligible increase over the standard plugs.
Average price of a normal NGK sparkplug for the GS500 ~ $3 - cost to seller is most likely around $1.50 depending on quantity purchased.
Average price of iridium plugs for GS500 ~ $8 - cost to seller is most likely around $4, again depending on quantity purchased.
Price of Brisk performance plug for GS500 ~ $18 - cost to seller is most likely around $9, again depending on quantity purchased.
Suzuki wants to get every cent of profit out of their bikes possible. This is their responsibility to their shareholders, along with keeping costs down. (What manufacturer doesn't have these objectives?) Let's say that Suzuki gets extremely good pricing on the normal NGK plugs and can source them for around $0.90/plug. Let's also say that Suzuki can get the same 60% discount off cost for the Brisk plugs. This brings the cost to $5.40/plug. (Sorry, but Brisk isn't going to lose money on these plugs, no matter what quantity is purchased.) For something that will have a negligible performance increase (i.e., most people wouldn't notice), why would Suzuki buy the more expensive parts? If Suzuki pumps out 10k GS500s, by using the Brisk plugs, they would increase the costs of producing the bike by at least $90,000. Saving $90k over a production run by purchasing a part with marginally weaker performance = someone gets a raise. :thumb:
But economies of scale say that Brisk should be able to make the product cheaper by producing more of them. While this is true in the long run, but if production goes from 1000/day to 10,000 day, the cost of making them increases in the short run (need more materials, equipment, storage space & labor). Just because Brisk now has a lower total cost, doesn't mean they are required to pass the whole savings on to their customers.
At least that's how I see it.
if 5% increase in fuel economy was true, ford would buy them, or just get a Chinese knockoff, and let the market mangle them.
15k miles on s bike is nothing, though , I'm suspecting its not that long a duration, and another reason why ford doesn't care. 100000 mile plug changes are the norm, no car manufacturer would put that plug in. two strikes.
the third? $17 each.
which relegates the plug to niche/race markets , as you see here.
the way I see it, my bike has a choke for cold mornings, and if it starts without it.....its too rich or already warm.
I also didn't see a dyno graph. did I miss it?
Interesting. the youtube video, has "related" videos that include an NGK multi-spark plug.
Wonder how they compare?
A commentator on the NGK video, claims,
"There are a lot of companies that make it seem like having more than one ground allows you to ignite the mixtures better and faster, when in reality you are significantly hurting your combustion efficiency at a cost of being able to run a plug longer...."
Also wondering what their different categories of plugs from brisk mean.
LGS, GS, ZC ?
#5186
I have seen other high performance plugs. I stumbled on the Brisk and am very happy with them. More videos will follow next week. I remember hearing about ring-fire plugs and how they were supposed to last longer due to no electrode to burn through. That probably was in the early days of them.
I don't want to make you feel that Brisk is the only and best premium plug. It is what I found and am happy with them. The Brisk site tells you how they encode the letters. One letter: S or C means silver or copper inside. They have a chart of the difference in conductivity over iridium or nickel.
As for NKG: Any company will find reasons why their product is better than the competition.
As for why better plugs are not in cars if they give better performance or mileage: same reason they don't have the best oil, best battery,best tires or anything else. people are cheap. They want low cost (hence cheap and crappy airline service with no luggage or meals - people are cheap.) People who do want the best will pay later for it and upgrade their vehicle. Just because a car company doesn't use a premium product in their cheap car is no reason to say it is not a better product.
Some people want a Fender or Gibson guitar. Some people want a cheap Chinese one because they can't tell he difference or don't want to spend the extra for a minor improvement in sound.
I'm enjoying watching the discussion and seeing some people get their panties all twisted up their crack.
I just looked through this thread and am willing to give it a shot. I could definitely dig some better, chokeless starts.
Can I hear straight from adidasguy, what plugs did you grab off amazon?
#5187
Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00861N4OE/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M2C_SC_3p_dp_1
Same as on ebay - same company Magnum Tuning (I think Coda was bragging that he can search flea-bhey as he found the same thing from the same company for the same price :flipoff: )
I rode Suzi yesterday - iridium plugs. Giving lots of throttle up a hill I notice the typical performance: louder, takes a while to accelerate (sluggish) then it speeds up. I recall the same test with Phenix - but when hitting throttle it does take off right away. None of the sluggishness and the louder sound for a while until speeding up as with iridium plugs. More responsive is what I find most pleasing.
I agree with the literature:
* Higher horsepower upto 3%
* Higher torque up to 3%
* Better acceleration up to 15% <--- ABSOLUTELY!
* Reduced flat spots or delay time when you mash down on the throttle <--- YES!
* Increased MPG by up to 10% <--- Jury still out on the 10% but definitely 5%. More fill ups will tell.
MORE CAME IN TODAY! :woohoo:
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Technical/DSC00056a.jpg)
I can definitely see that having the in-series multi spark ignition would improve the flame front and propagation.
But do we know that the load on the coils is the same? It seems it must be higher with this design, from simply looking at the description.
How will the coils hold up? These plugs appear to be similar to the massive electrode types, which definitely increases coil load.
These coils are sitting directly above the engine cooking, and that certainly isn't nice to them, on a very hot day in stop and go traffic, will these plugs cause the coils to fail?
just a couple questions I thought might be important, I'm definitely interested in a plug that smooths out the ever lopey idle of my bike for sure,
let us know how these plugs do in the long run, adidas, I'll be watchin!
Quote from: adidasguy on July 30, 2012, 01:48:30 PM(I think Coda was bragging that he can search flea-bhey as he found the same thing from the same company for the same price :flipoff: )
Bite me :flipoff:
When are you gonna send me my dampers!!!!!!
Or do I have to send the plane ticket first :icon_twisted:
Do those come pre-gaped or we have to gap them before use :icon_question:
Quote from: msforever on July 30, 2012, 04:52:56 PM
Do those come pre-gaped or we have to gap them before use :icon_question:
I'm not sure if you're serious or funning me. :dunno_black:
There's nothing to gap.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Technical/DSC00056a.jpg)
I'm not quite sure if this is a serious question or not, but...
could we just cut the little J-hook off a standard spark plug? It looks about the same.
Or maybe it's one of those dealies that it uses more combustion space in the chamber and slightly raises the compression ratio?
I was honestly less skeptical about it before I saw the picture.
#5191
I'm not here to be a spark plug engineer. If it was as simple as cutting off the metal tab, I think someone would have done that 100 years ago.
I'm relating my experience with these plugs. I am impressed with them. They exceed my expectations.
That's all. Just relating what I found in hopes it may benefit someone else wanting a cheap, easy performance upgrade on their GS500.
I suppose you could cut the tab off and see what happens.
Just got my set today and installed them this afternoon.
My bike is rejetted, stock air box, and a Jardine exhaust.
I never had any issues starting it when cold thanks to the rejet (no choke required anymore), so starting the bike with the new plugs is the same as it was before.
It does seem to run quieter though.
It also seems to accelerate smoother. Under hard acceleration I used to get a stutter once in a while in the higher rpm's - that is now gone.
Would I buy them again? Yes I would, so far I'm pretty happy with them. Its not a HUGE change for my bike, but a noticeable one, and one that I like.
Thanks for the tip Adidas! :cheers:
#5192
Great! :woohoo:
Glad they are working for you.
Acceleration is where I noticed the biggest improvement. Phenix is stock jets and air box. He really performed well last Saturday on a 160 mile ride with lots of fast twisties.
While starting is better - I agree that having better acceleration is really nice.
Monitor your mileage and see if you get any improvement. I did get better mileage. A few tanks will really tell.
I put them in Junior tonight and took him around the block. Much better. I do need to do some adjustments on him as the left carb seems very rich.
I will make before and after videos of Suzi. She has been running kind of crappy since the last time the dealer serviced her (she was under warranty and had a service contract). I'll do plugs first to see the difference before doing valves and carb syncing. It should be an interesting video. She is a 2009 and Phenix has a 2006 engine. I really notice how Phenix has so much pep when mashing on the throttle but Suzi just kind of lumbers along then speeds up. I hope she will accelerate like Phenix after changing the plugs. Valves & stuff will happen after the plugs as I want to see how the plugs improve poor performance in Suzi.
Quote from: adidasguy on July 30, 2012, 11:15:57 PM
I really notice how Phenix has so much pep when mashing on the throttle but Suzi just kind of lumbers along then speeds up. I hope she will accelerate like Phenix after changing the plugs. Valves & stuff will happen after the plugs as I want to see how the plugs improve poor performance in Suzi.
I've got an '07 and I notice the same reluctance as you've got with Suzi. I had always just chalked it up to that being the way the bike was, but I am very curious to hear if you see an improvement on this with the new plugs. If you do, I might have to take the plunge as well!
Quote from: Badot on July 30, 2012, 05:45:10 PM
I'm not quite sure if this is a serious question or not, but...
could we just cut the little J-hook off a standard spark plug? It looks about the same.
Or maybe it's one of those dealies that it uses more combustion space in the chamber and slightly raises the compression ratio?
I was honestly less skeptical about it before I saw the picture.
An old hot rodder trick is to file away the 'j-hook' a bit so as to open up the center electrode - seemed to make a noticeable difference in the old cars I had. But you wouldn't want to do away with the ground electrode entirely - the plug pr'olly would not fire, at least consistently.
Having tried that old trick of filing down the cathode of the spark plug (supposed to increase airflow around the actual spark gap) and having snapped off one of those, then trying it in my engine (old 6-cylinder dodge) it doesn't fire at all.
Those plugs aren't designed for the increased voltage necessary for the much larger arcing that the Brisk plugs have, but with that in mind, I don't think there would be a significantly higher loading effect on the coils since the overall change in voltage (say, 1cm is 10KV, so go from ~3mm gap to ~1cm gap, voltage goes from 3kv to 10kv) has negligible change in current draw from the distributor (stator in bikes?).
I'd be interested to see some real world firing tho.
Addidasguy,
Your Amazon video review is Oscar material. You are my new video idol!
QuoteI don't think there would be a significantly higher loading effect on the coils since the overall change in voltage (say, 1cm is 10KV, so go from ~3mm gap to ~1cm gap, voltage goes from 3kv to 10kv) has negligible change in current draw from the distributor (stator in bikes?).
That makes plenty of sense, I was just wondering, having seen videos and things involving coil overheat and failure due to massive electrode plug usage that overloads the coil.
if you read the product specs:
QuoteOn the surface of the spark plug insulator (between the center electrode and spark plug shell (ground) is a conductive titanium oxide compound in the shape of rings, bonded by a special patented process. Because these rings are conductive, the rings act as a "short cut" for the spark discharge on the way to ground.
Spark "travels" from the center electrode to the edge of the first conductive ring, uses the ring as a conductor, jumps out from the other edge of the first ring intot he edge of the second conductive ring, uses it as a conductor, and then the spark discharge "jumps out" into the spark plug shell (ground) to complete the secondary ignition circuit.
So, they've basically extended the ceramic insulator, and given the current a leap-frog path back to ground.
its perty interestin i think.
Quote from: Funderb on July 31, 2012, 06:53:13 AM
QuoteI don't think there would be a significantly higher loading effect on the coils since the overall change in voltage (say, 1cm is 10KV, so go from ~3mm gap to ~1cm gap, voltage goes from 3kv to 10kv) has negligible change in current draw from the distributor (stator in bikes?).
That makes plenty of sense, I was just wondering, having seen videos and things involving coil overheat and failure due to massive electrode plug usage that overloads the coil.
if you read the product specs:
QuoteOn the surface of the spark plug insulator (between the center electrode and spark plug shell (ground) is a conductive titanium oxide compound in the shape of rings, bonded by a special patented process. Because these rings are conductive, the rings act as a "short cut" for the spark discharge on the way to ground.
Spark "travels" from the center electrode to the edge of the first conductive ring, uses the ring as a conductor, jumps out from the other edge of the first ring intot he edge of the second conductive ring, uses it as a conductor, and then the spark discharge "jumps out" into the spark plug shell (ground) to complete the secondary ignition circuit.
So, they've basically extended the ceramic insulator, and given the current a leap-frog path back to ground.
its perty interestin i think.
Hmmm, I've never seen that, but I'd definitely like to know more about how that's supposed to work (or fail, whichever).
From a little reading, I think the brisk plugs just use a larger inductor coil to jump the voltage coming in (like most plugs do) and the missing tab above it means there's nothing to get in the way of the spark to air/fuel mix, making it more efficient (and the longer spark helps too).
I've just ordered myself a set of these, and she's been a little jumpy starting off lately, so I'll see how they work compared to NGK stockers and let you know!
Not saying I was skeptical before or anything, but you guys have me wanting to give them a shot now.
What's awesome is that a few months ago my wife would prolly give me crap for spending an excesive amount on something like that. But now that she's the one mostly riding the bike, it's ok. lol
Now I get dirty looks for spending money on the dual sport. lol
#5197
Since I and others do feel an improvement in performance, I'm seeing about a dyno run.
Some places around here have free dyno days for our local club members. I'm checking if I can do a double run with iridium and Brisk plugs. Maybe include standard plugs if they let me.
Quote from: adidasguy on July 31, 2012, 02:22:18 PM
#5197
Since I and others do feel an improvement in performance, I'm seeing about a dyno run.
Some places around here have free dyno days for our local club members. I'm checking if I can do a double run with iridium and Brisk plugs. Maybe include standard plugs if they let me.
now you're talkin!
make sure your iridium plugs are brand new too, post up the runs!
Curious, I have done only a little reading about spark plugs, but are these just unbox and install, or do you have to do anything to adjust/set them for the bike.
I was reading about gapping spark plugs.
I will research that if I need to, but was wondering if you guys just plugged them in and they started working.
no gap neeed. Just unbox and install. See pictures in this thread an it will make sense.
Quote from: stokes776 on August 05, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
Curious, I have done only a little reading about spark plugs, but are these just unbox and install, or do you have to do anything to adjust/set them for the bike.
I was reading about gapping spark plugs.
I will research that if I need to, but was wondering if you guys just plugged them in and they started working.
These arent normal spark plugs, they dont need to be gapped (although i think most plugs now adays come pre-gapped) because they spark in a mushroom shape
Spark plugs turned up today so I will let you guys know if there is a difference. At the moment I have iridium plugs in there.
UPDATE
Well I took out the iridium plugs and installed the Brisk ones and started the bike as per normal (No choke (it doesnt work) and a little throttle to warm up (I have a throttle lock)
I usually have to keep the throttle on about 2.5k till I start riding off or until bike is really warmed up before I can let go of the throttle and then it usually idles rough until I have ridden up the road.
Well WOW it took about a minute at 1.5k to warm then it idled perfectly without any assistance. This has never happened before. The bike actually sounded much better than the other bike which was very strange to me as it never has. I cannot wait to go for a ride and see if the performance changes.
I will be getting some more to put into the other bike which already runs and starts fine to see what happens there.
So far I am very impressed :thumb:
Quote from: codajastal on August 07, 2012, 04:10:48 PM
I usually have to keep the throttle on about 2.5k till I start riding off or until bike is really warmed up before I can let go of the throttle and then it usually idles rough until I have ridden up the road.
Well WOW it took about a minute at 1.5k to warm then it idled perfectly without any assistance.
If you think about it, that means that the brisk plugs are making your engine cylinders burn hotter.
All. The. Time.
The only way your engine warms up to standard running temp, faster, without changing the capacity of the engine, is to increase the temp in the heating element, so to speak.
I leave it to more mechanically astute people, to speak on what ramifications that may have for the engine, long term.
For my own non-adept viewpoint, this suggests to me that people using the racing plugs, may want to somehow increase the engine cooling factor. But I have no idea how to do that, or how important that may be.
hmmm.. after thinking a short while on this ... i beleive the solution may lie with more high speed riding in the evenings when the air is cooler .. more cooling airflow with naturally cooler air! .... wow my powers of logical extrapolation are absolutely humming today! :woohoo:
Quote from: Phil B on August 07, 2012, 07:31:17 PM
If you think about it, that means that the brisk plugs are making your engine cylinders burn hotter.
All. The. Time.
The only way your engine warms up to standard running temp, faster, without changing the capacity of the engine, is to increase the temp in the heating element, so to speak.
I leave it to more mechanically astute people, to speak on what ramifications that may have for the engine, long term.
For my own non-adept viewpoint, this suggests to me that people using the racing plugs, may want to somehow increase the engine cooling factor. But I have no idea how to do that, or how important that may be.
Ok maybe I should not have used the word WARM as it obviously means something different to me than to you.
I do not mean warm as in HOT I mean as in time it takes the bike to idle properly without having to blip the throttle. The bike is not running any hotter at all or getting hotter sooner, It is however running better at a sooner rate than it did before.
Here in Beautiful Australia on the east coast of Queensland we do not have to WARM our bikes as you yanks seem to?
Hope that clears that up?
it does seem though as while warming is not so prevalent here in Aussie.... the time honoured Roasting of tyres is frequently taken up.. why just the other day i was relaxing in front of the TV and saw what i can only describe as a mini festival in honor of tyre roasting!... the participants would roast their tyres till the desired smoke level was reached then ride off down these weird parallel pathways after the judges signalled them with a victory flash of a odd looking metal "xmas tree" ?! .. i assume the short ride and subsequent return past the admiring crowd was to acknowledge the 'job well done' uluations in appreciation for the aforementioned Roasting Display.
also.. i noted that the best roasters were often invited back a short time later for a 'roast off' to determine the ultimate smokemeister!
they also mentioned a trap was around somewhere.... i have to assume that it is only activated for those participants whose roasting abilities left much to be desired ... they said it was at the end of the pathways .. which makes sense i guess as a victory lap should not be allowed to complete if the judges deem the smoke level unworthy... :cheers:
Quote from: Janx101 on August 07, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
it does seem though as while warming is not so prevalent here in Aussie.... the time honoured Roasting of tyres is frequently taken up.. why just the other day i was relaxing in front of the TV and saw what i can only describe as a mini festival in honor of tyre roasting!... the participants would roast their tyres till the desired smoke level was reached then ride off down these weird parallel pathways after the judges signalled them with a victory flash of a odd looking metal "xmas tree" ?! .. i assume the short ride and subsequent return past the admiring crowd was to acknowledge the 'job well done' uluations in appreciation for the aforementioned Roasting Display.
also.. i noted that the best roasters were often invited back a short time later for a 'roast off' to determine the ultimate smokemeister!
they also mentioned a trap was around somewhere.... i have to assume that it is only activated for those participants whose roasting abilities left much to be desired ... they said it was at the end of the pathways .. which makes sense i guess as a victory lap should not be allowed to complete if the judges deem the smoke level unworthy... :cheers:
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Quote from: Phil B on August 07, 2012, 07:31:17 PM
Quote from: codajastal on August 07, 2012, 04:10:48 PM
I usually have to keep the throttle on about 2.5k till I start riding off or until bike is really warmed up before I can let go of the throttle and then it usually idles rough until I have ridden up the road.
Well WOW it took about a minute at 1.5k to warm then it idled perfectly without any assistance.
If you think about it, that means that the brisk plugs are making your engine cylinders burn hotter.
All. The. Time.
The only way your engine warms up to standard running temp, faster, without changing the capacity of the engine, is to increase the temp in the heating element, so to speak.
I leave it to more mechanically astute people, to speak on what ramifications that may have for the engine, long term.
For my own non-adept viewpoint, this suggests to me that people using the racing plugs, may want to somehow increase the engine cooling factor. But I have no idea how to do that, or how important that may be.
The engine isn't actually running hotter, it's just burning the fuel more efficiently and since it can now (with the new plugs) ignite better the engine temperature doesn't need to be as high for smooth running, so it doesn't need the choke to warm like it did before.
To run hot like you're describing means you're running lean and not getting complete combustion, and so your carbs need to be adjusted.
With the wide temperature and humidity spans we've been having here lately, I can't wait to try these new plugs!
Quote from: Formori on August 08, 2012, 04:35:06 AM
The engine isn't actually running hotter, it's just burning the fuel more efficiently and since it can now (with the new plugs) ignite better the engine temperature doesn't need to be as high for smooth running, so it doesn't need the choke to warm like it did before.
Hmm. yeah, that could be another explanation.
But on the other hand, "burning fuel more efficiently", can often mean "gets more energy out of the fuel per unit".
Which usually results in "more heat per fuel unit".
Might be interesting if someone could actually use some kind of thermal probe and measure.
Quote from: codajastal on July 26, 2012, 04:02:07 PM
Price: $34.99 ???
not to change subject, but your avatar is pretty good :thumb:
Ok so..ordered mine today!
Well I took a ride around the block on the red GS. Only about 2kms/1.5miles? and just in that short distance I am so farking impressed with these plugs. Better response, absolutely no balking or flat spots and the bike seems faster? Cant wait for the other ones to turn up so I can fit them into the black GS. (took it round the block too and wanted to get off and go back to the red one).
I can't believe those plugs are for real.
Oh they are definitely for real slips. You know I would not say they were if they were sh!t cause I tell it like it is. :thumb:
Really I thought you were a fairy lol?
Yea you lost me there?
Good.
I'm going to snatch 1 and drop it in the drz soon. can wait to get the GS roadworthy to try them in it as well.
Ok, so don't we have a thread here about making your spark plug gap bigger? Anyone considered three possibility of extra Load maybe shortening the life of something in the electrical system or ignition system?
Quote from: mister on August 09, 2012, 08:43:02 AM
Ok, so don't we have a thread here about making your spark plug gap bigger? Anyone considered three possibility of extra Load maybe shortening the life of something in the electrical system or ignition system?
Everyone knows that putting high performance racing parts on an otherwise stock bike/car strengthens the vehicle as a whole. Upgrading the rest is only wasted money. Jeez. :icon_lol:
Seriously, though, I would expect that the charging systems on adidas' bikes are probably the best equipped to handle the increased load, with his Shorai batteries and MOSFET regulator. At some point, we will hear some long-term reviews and gripes if other items start failing.
Quote from: mister on August 09, 2012, 08:43:02 AM
Ok, so don't we have a thread here about making your spark plug gap bigger? Anyone considered three possibility of extra Load maybe shortening the life of something in the electrical system or ignition system?
When you increase the gap on a regular spark plug, it increases the load on the coil in the plug itself, and the coil supplying power in the engine (whichever type). But in capless spark plugs the coils are pre-loaded for the voltage and designed to spark further under normal load.
After doing a little research into these, they're actually called 'Surface-discharge spark plugs' instead of the more commonly found 'Gap-Electrode Discharge spark plugs', and they're designed differently. The gapped plugs are just basically a coil and resistor, designed to discharge a specific voltage for the application (load) and gap width required to fire the cylinder. Whereas the surface discharge plugs have a constantly changing gap (width from electrode to side is far enough that air-fuel mixture makes a difference in air resistivity) and are designed to provide a higher voltage spark without additional loading and voltage spiking to the coils, also providing multiple sparks under the right mix conditions. The higher voltage requirements and tolerance in the plugs mean their built differently and therefore cost more.
I'd like to know how these specific plugs are actually built, hmmm...
I know I can't wait to get mine!
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=48923.0
Here is a link to that thread. Interesting read.
Someone please give an MPG comparison, so I can justify buying some from that perspective? :)
#5258
Quote from: Phil B on August 09, 2012, 10:32:58 AM
Someone please give an MPG comparison, so I can justify buying some from that perspective? :)
I've been getting pretty consistent 62mpg in Phenix running twisties with lots of acceleration and some high speeds - even passing at high speeds (won't say the mph as what's on the internet stays there and I never said I went over the speed limit :bs: )
That is better mileage than before. At least 5% better. Have over 400 miles on them. 2 trips: one 160 miles and one 200 miles.
Just started my bike without choke or throttle and started straight up and idled at 1000rpm no stalling and stayed that way till I hit the throttle.
So........Fuk yea........I love them sparkie plugs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Quote from: codajastal on August 09, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Just started my bike without choke or throttle and started straight up and idled at 1000rpm no stalling and stayed that way till I hit the throttle.
So........Fuk yea........I love them sparkie plugs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Cod is a believer, it must be true!
Anyways, i might get some when i move back from montana
#5266
Quote from: iclrag on August 10, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: codajastal on August 09, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Just started my bike without choke or throttle and started straight up and idled at 1000rpm no stalling and stayed that way till I hit the throttle.
So........Fuk yea........I love them sparkie plugs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Cod is a believer, it must be true!
Anyways, i might get some when i move back from montana
What is this Montana stuff?
I thought you were going to be in Seattle?
Quote from: adidasguy on August 10, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
#5266
Quote from: iclrag on August 10, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: codajastal on August 09, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Just started my bike without choke or throttle and started straight up and idled at 1000rpm no stalling and stayed that way till I hit the throttle.
So........Fuk yea........I love them sparkie plugs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Cod is a believer, it must be true!
Anyways, i might get some when i move back from montana
What is this Montana stuff?
I thought you were going to be in Seattle?
I did too, but the people i was going to work with were a bit :cookoo:, they expected me to jump through hoops to be accepted as a new guy (and they were playing games pretending like they weren't going to hire me), the people in montana welcomed me with open arms and were genuinely excited to have me and were very nice, so i accepted their offer. now that i'm going to montana the people in seattle want me (go figure)
i still plan on coming by the bike cave for a wrenching session (maybe i can catch a weekend ride?) if my schedule permits
#5269
Well, it IS "Montana". I think they would welcome anyone for any reason whether you're a uni-bomber or not.
You're always welcome in the Bike Cave. :cheers:
Quote from: adidasguy on August 10, 2012, 02:09:12 PM
#5269
Well, it IS "Montana". I think they would welcome anyone for any reason whether you're a uni-bomber or not.
You're always welcome in the Bike Cave. :cheers:
hahahahahahahaha they take take care of their own. (ever wonder why there's no terroists in montana?)
and thanks, hopefully some day i'll have my own bike cave and we can organise a small touring ride (theres some nice mountain roads going through to montana)
Got my plugs in! I'll throw them in in the next day or so.
I didn't realize they would actually look like a normal plug, missing the electrode..
reckon one of the electrode pics should be sticky to the top of each page... :thumb:
Well I ordered a set. I would t be able to give a good review on them because I'm waiting on a replacement engines to get here but if you guys say their worth it then so be it.
random thought .. like most of mine are....
when the "magic plastic card" is in a fit state to be used again.. mebbe next week .. m'gonna order a set too ...
and seeing as i've recently started using the e10 94ron ... and folks say it contains more water ... and folks say the brisk plugs must produce more heat ... then i'm golden! .. extra water to combat the extra heat! :thumb:
after all .. back in the day .. (and still sometimes now) .. the weekend warrior drag racers would put a methanol/water spray into their intake .. the water so it didnt slag anything from extra heat .. so i'm told ... aaaaaand methanol/ethanol are nearly the same word .. so it must be ok... glad i worked that out in my head!!
sits back to wait for the tech war to start ;)
Face, meet palm. :icon_lol:
E10 does not contain water. It contains gasoline, ethanol, and the usual additives. At stoich, ethanol fuels will burn cooler than straight gasoline. Problem is the difference in stoich between gasoline (14.7:1) and pure ethanol, or E100 (9.0078:1). This means the more ethanol the fuel contains, the more fuel you will need in order to achieve stoich. Carburetors will not automatically make this change, which means a change from E0 to E10 will cause your engine to run lean, thus burning hotter.
The cool part about ethanol (no pun intended) is the cooling effect it has if you do use a proper amount of fuel. A cooler mixture and burn means you can advance the timing, which can give you a significant boost in low end grunt and a small increase in top end power.
That said, keep an eye on your plugs to make sure you're not running lean. If you are, a rejet is in order. And when it comes to plugs, a stronger spark should result in a cooler burn, not a hotter burn.
I think that covers everything.
After watching Adidasguy's video review on the Amazon webpage for the spark plugs, I ordered a pair.
mmmmmm yup k.... but it attracts water tho .. so .. cooler... negating the hotter burn.. magic!! ... ta bro! /troll off
seriously though... mebbe the bike was a little rich .. never checked it yet .. on E0 fuel.. not saying it was ... and i cant properly explain it.. but the half tank of e10 i have used so far ... i'm not claiming any more power! ... but ... its less (slightly) sluggish , a little smoother thru the top end .. less grumpy when dead cold .. though it is a little stuttery on half 'choke' once running for 45 ish seconds ..
i'm only just beginning to explore the adjustability of everything engine wise .. not looked the plugs... cleaned the carbs.. jetted anything..
so far its been .. key/choke/starter/warm/chokeoff/ride/fuel/ride/wheeeeeeeee ... oh plus some chain lube here and there .. pretty much ..
think i've owned the bike long enough now to start thinking about what does it need? .. as opposed to what does that do?
some little issues i've sorted out with help from here .. now its time for preventing big issues in the future .. i was only ever gonna own the bike for the time it took to get full licence .. but the bloody money tree had a bad season and half the limbs blew off.... so i better start looking after things "properly"..
still getting the plugs tho ... if they also had led or flashing lights on them.. well i'd already have a set! :D
#5288
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 12, 2012, 03:27:44 PM
Got my plugs in! I'll throw them in in the next day or so.
I didn't realize they would actually look like a normal plug, missing the electrode..
If you hold plugs side by side, you'll see the Brisk electrode sticks out farther. It is at the level of the bottom of the older electrode. So the spark actually is deeper into the chamber than a conventional style plug.
I was a Palouse Winery on my way off Vashon Island and talked to the owner about the plugs. He had told me how Amsoil improves performance (have some, waiting for next oil change to try it). He also swears by Brisk plugs for getting about 3hp better performance. HE compared oil and plugs in his Harleys. He is a pilot and uses them in his plane - but those cost $100 each!
By the way, I met some other bikers on the ferry who told me of a road I had never taken. WOW! That road was a single lane and just about like a roller coaster. Twistie after twistie, every corned is blind, every corner about 50 feet from the one before it, up down, up down and about 2 miles of this....... and so much fun! Imagine - being in an uphill hair pin turn - blind - and coming out of it only to see another hairpin turn only this one goes down hill - 50 feet away. That sure keeps you on your toes. After that, the "normal" twisties were like beginner roads. Sure wish someone was there to enjoy it with me. Next time maybe?
dont ya just love it when a new and awesome riding road is shown to you.. right in your 'backyard' :thumb:
#5293
What's around that bend? You never know until you get there. Fun!
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/Vashon%20Island%2010-08-2011/Image3.jpg)
I recall there was a downhill then an uphill hairpin turn to the left - all in 100 feet! What a blast!
Ummm....
lots of fun if it's a one-way road.
Not so much fun if there's a car coming the other way ?
Don't you know? in seattle cars are always very curtious and get out of the way for bikers :whisper:
Gosh.....I just got my shipping info update and read they are coming from Europe? No wonder everyone says they take a while to get them.
Thats what I thought as well. Then they showed up 3 days later. :dunno_black:
No worries, my replacement engine hasnt gotten here yet either
Quote from: weedahoe on August 13, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
No worries, my replacement engine hasnt gotten here yet either
Engine replacements for everyone! :laugh: Mine should be here Wednesday.
Quote from: RossLH on August 13, 2012, 02:46:39 PM
Quote from: weedahoe on August 13, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
No worries, my replacement engine hasnt gotten here yet either
Engine replacements for everyone! :laugh: Mine should be here Wednesday.
Can i get an engine replacement? i want a chevy 420 to go inside of my truck (that isn't mine yet) :icon_mrgreen:
Ill help you put your engine in if you come help me put mine in....LOL
As for bugger engines, my new cam came in last week. Now I gotta find the time to put it in. Super nice lope it will have with a 108 LSA
Quote from: weedahoe on August 13, 2012, 01:43:57 PM
Gosh.....I just got my shipping info update and read they are coming from Europe? No wonder everyone says they take a while to get them.
The plugs?
Maybe they're out because of a sudden run on them for us GS500 people?
I've ordered 10 plugs (5 sets) for my bikes (and Trey, not mine now) and a spare set. All came in a few days, but that was before everybody started ordering them.
Invoice might say Europe because that's where the parent company is. Magnum Tuning is their USA office.
#5299
This was in my invoice. Its no big deal to me because like I said, I dont even have an engine to put them in yet
Dear Customer,
Magnum Tuning greatly appreciates your business and the opportunity to sell you this item.
* * * * * SHIPPING * * * * *
• Items' original location is Europe. We ship these goods in cargo shipping from Magnum factory to our Florida warehouse to ensure US and Canada buyers the quickest delivery.
• Delivery takes 4 to 14 days to arrive depending on country or state.
• Magnum is fully responsible for successful delivery.
#5301
All my invoices have that. It doesn't mean they do not have them in stock. Got mine in a few days.
They're pretty nice people there at Magnum Tuning. They helped me find a performance plug for Thumper - my old 1973 TS185. Not the same type as for the GS, but still a Brisk performance plug and Thumper is happier now. (Brisk makes a few different styles of plugs.)
Roger that and thanks.
Yeah I think I got mine in a couple days. Still haven't tried them out. Wife's out of town, so no riding this week (just me and my daughter at the house.)
Quote from: adidasguy on August 13, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Maybe they're out because of a sudden run on them for us GS500 people?
I've ordered 10 plugs (5 sets) for my bikes (and Trey, not mine now) and a spare set. All came in a few days, but that was before everybody started ordering them.
#5299
PLUG HOG!!!! :D ... you are a one man plug shortage there Adidas!! .. dont go blamin the collective 'us GS500' :cheers:
#5304
Quote from: Janx101 on August 13, 2012, 07:03:55 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 13, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
Maybe they're out because of a sudden run on them for us GS500 people?
I've ordered 10 plugs (5 sets) for my bikes (and Trey, not mine now) and a spare set. All came in a few days, but that was before everybody started ordering them.
#5299
PLUG HOG!!!! :D ... you are a one man plug shortage there Adidas!! .. dont go blamin the collective 'us GS500' :cheers:
I found them - I got first dibs! :flipoff:
4 sets went to the 4 GS500's. One of the spares went to bluesmudge's CT-110
neener neener neener - I ain't a hoardin' dem sparkies! I'm just a makin' me bikez runz better.
yeah i get it!.. you're not only a plug hog but a gloating plug hog!! :D
and .. should the new designation of the CT110 ... be CT111 ?! ... now it has all the extra go! .. ;)
He didn't take them all, cause I got mine today!
Adidasguy, I have to say, biggest and most noticeable difference from a single performance upgrade part I've ever bought!!! :thumb:
I did a test to prove to myself if these actually made a difference (since I was a little skeptical) and I tried to start my bike from cold in the garage (ambient ~24 degrees) (Celsius for those Americans :flipoff:) it tried, sputtered and then promptly died. I tried this 3 times without choke. Then I started the bike with a little throttle and let it sit for a moment.
After doing other things around the house, and removing the fairing and fixing a crack in one of the mounts, I replaced the plugs and from cold again tried to start it... It started without hesitation and ran smoothly without choke or throttle :o
I then took her for a quick ride around the block, and it is noticeable smoother and WAY more torquey! Throttle mashing is fun now! :icon_twisted:
We have only had Trey for 2 days and it's only been getting down to the mid 50's,but every cold start has been with no choke !!.I'm a believer !!!.
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I've read enough to try these bad boys out. Within the next month!
Hey adidas, have you got your neighbor to try these plugs?
on the whole choke/no choke thing.. can a gearhead attempt to explain WHY a regular type sparkplug benefits from choke at cold start, but these ones get by?
What is heating up and getting happier? holes for the fuel to come through, expanding?
A choke on a carburated engine is there to "richen" the air/fuel mix for startup, since when an engine is cold the fuel doesn''t atomize well and this creates an incomplete burn in the cylinder, so the engine runs rough or doesn't stay going.
If you use a choke, it'll richen the mix and also raise the throttle a hair, to help warm the engine before you put it in gear and put strain on it, which, if not warmed can cause problems in the engine as the oil isn't warm enough to circulate fully, and running lean burns hotter than it's supposed to.
These plugs have a much larger spark gap and are also deeper in the combustion chamber, providing a much better burn in the cylinder, even when not under ideal conditions (mix, temp, carb fouling, etc). They just burn the fuel better, and that allows them to keep the engine going even when it's cold, and at a lower rev also means it'll warm the engine more evenly and produce less thermal stress on the internals, making everything run more smoothly!!!
This is just what I understand, did I miss anything?
Quote from: Formori on August 14, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
A choke on a carburated engine is there to "richen" the air/fuel mix for startup, since when an engine is cold the fuel doesn''t atomize well and this creates an incomplete burn in the cylinder, so the engine runs rough or doesn't stay going.
If you use a choke, it'll richen the mix and also raise the throttle a hair, to help warm the engine before you put it in gear and put strain on it, which, if not warmed can cause problems in the engine as the oil isn't warm enough to circulate fully, and running lean burns hotter than it's supposed to.
These plugs have a much larger spark gap and are also deeper in the combustion chamber, providing a much better burn in the cylinder, even when not under ideal conditions (mix, temp, carb fouling, etc). They just burn the fuel better, and that allows them to keep the engine going even when it's cold, and at a lower rev also means it'll warm the engine more evenly and produce less thermal stress on the internals, making everything run more smoothly!!!
This is just what I understand, did I miss anything?
You beat me to it!
from what i understand though, they are not technically deeper in the chamber, as they extend to where the end of a normal sparkplug is at, however the way they spark (mushroom shaped) goes deeper into the chamber as it isnt between metal vertically so it sparks out of the plug instead of on the inside of it
that's all i have to add
Just to clear this up alittle,just because I don't need the choke to start the bike it still takes alittle time to warm up enough to ride off.What happens is this, start the bike and let it idle for maybe 1-2 minutes while you get your helmet on.Then give it some throttle till it takes it,let idle again and your good to go.
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#5307
On regular spark plugs, the spark can only go in one place: that tiny gap. If fuel is not there, you mis-fire.
With the Brisk plug, the spark can go anywhere in the 360* circle. A spark will follow the path of least resistance. Rather than poorly atomized fuel having to get in that tiny gap on a standard plug, it can be anywhere in the vicinity of the Brisk electrode. That will result in a firing of the cylinder even if the fuel is poorly atomized. As long as there is fuel somewhere near that electrode, the spark has an infinite number of paths to take in the full 360* circle.
The insulator has, in addition to the standard electrode, 2 rings of titanium which act as a passive electrode. The spark can jump from main electrode to the passive then from somewhere around the circle jump again. With no many paths the spark can take, it will result in a good burn every time.
Unlike a standard plug which must have fuel in that little gap. Then the standard electrode acts as a shield preventing the combustion from going in every direction. Cumbustion must go around the electrode, which will slow the burn. The brisk plugs have nothing to block the combustion. It will mushroom out in all directions unimpeded by the standard type electrode.
Something I just thought of to add to Adidasguy's post, that people would file the electrode of the spark plug round so that fuel/air mix could get in and out of the spark's path easier, but it reduced the life of the spark plug.
(As far as I know, people still do this but it's not recommended as it can reduce the plugs effectiveness if done wrong :nono:)
And riding to work this morning was amazing! No choke cold start, low-idling warmup and very smooth rpm's all the way to work! Thanks Adidasguy for posting about these! :cheers:
Interesting.
Has anyone played with a brisk plug, in the plug wire out side of the engine?
Ok that sounded wierd. I mean like if you were testing a plug, to see what the spark looks like.
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 14, 2012, 11:17:11 AM
Interesting.
Has anyone played with a brisk plug, in the plug wire out side of the engine?
Ok that sounded wierd. I mean like if you were testing a plug, to see what the spark looks like.
Lol, I played with my plugs last night when I was installing them! :cookoo:
The spark pattern is random around the head (or so it looked) and didn't favor any point on the ground, and it sorta mushroom's a bit. The sparks are a lot longer than a normal plug, and looked brighter, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.
If I setup my camera right I might be able to get a photo of it.
Huh.
Kinda makes you wonder why the gap is so imprtant for every different vehicle with normal plugs.
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 14, 2012, 12:13:39 PM
Huh.
Kinda makes you wonder why the gap is so imprtant for every different vehicle with normal plugs.
From a nice post at
http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7183
Quote
Plug gaps were critical back in the days of Charles Kettering - too large a gap and there was insufficient voltage to jump it, no spark occured and the engine misfired, too small a gap and the resulting spark was too small to ignite the mixture and again the engine misfired - we had to clean, file (to ensure square edges - easier to get a good spark) and gap the plugs about every three months to prevent misfiring, and also maintain the breaker points, keep them clean, filed, gap adjusted correctly (this affected the ignition timing more than anything else) and smear a little grease on the cam to prevent the heel of the breaker points from wearing too rapidly.
...
Modern automobiles, and that includes these fifteen year old cars, all come with breakerless electronic ignitions, lots of spark voltage, and they'll fire the plug almost without regard for it's condition
MIght try
I give up. Time to order the epic plugs.
I just flipped over 9100 miles and it's starting to stall when I release the throttle when pulling up to a stoplight. I've been busy keeping my company out of trouble (I'm an auditor) and being the president of a local auditing organization (ISACA) that I totally forgot about my valves :nono:
Looks like I will order the plugs and some shims very soon.
Quote from: adidasguy on July 26, 2012, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: codajastal on July 26, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order. :dunno_black:
Google "br12ZC". You'll probably get a dealer there.
Or try Magnum Tuning's site directly (I posted the link)
Or try www.brisk.com
Or go to www.brisk.eu
or have em sent to adidas, and he can send to you. or send to me, and i can do likewise. ive been here since 2003 i can be trusted, as can adidasguy
would i purchase one? probably not. never had an idling problem. however if i can find one to fit motohuffy after i break her engine in, then sure, ill give it a go. i foul plugs like crazy on breakin, cause im running 16:1 premix. which usually fouls plugs every 3 or 4 miles. unless i run em WFO
yea, i just bit the bullet and got some myself. These guys are probably so confused as to the recent upsurge in sales
will report back
^^^ Its one way to stimulate the economy :D
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on August 15, 2012, 08:43:57 PM
would i purchase one? probably not. never had an idling problem. however if i can find one to fit motohuffy after i break her engine in, then sure, ill give it a go. i foul plugs like crazy on breakin, cause im running 16:1 premix. which usually fouls plugs every 3 or 4 miles. unless i run em WFO
16:1...uhhh, yeah. That's one way to foul a plug. I have 32:1 in my lawn boy 2 stroke motor and I have to change the plug just about every year.
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Unboxing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOok-Ggtz8
Quote from: BrianKD on August 16, 2012, 10:39:46 AM
Unboxing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOok-Ggtz8
Hahaha, I laughed at the "ooooh's" because I basically did the same thing! :cheers:
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
#5321
Quote from: BrianKD on August 16, 2012, 10:39:46 AM
Unboxing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOok-Ggtz8
When will we get the next episode?
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:25:33 AM
#5321
Quote from: BrianKD on August 16, 2012, 10:39:46 AM
Unboxing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOok-Ggtz8
When will we get the next episode?
This.
That video is lolz.
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
Quote from: BrianKD on August 16, 2012, 10:39:46 AM
Unboxing video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOok-Ggtz8
Seriously LOL to that video. Not sure why, but I couldn't wipe the smile off my face.
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
I'm reasonably certain the the laughing smiley means he was joking. I'm pretty sure he knows that plugs don't impact oil consumption.
Quote from: bombsquad83 on August 16, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
I'm reasonably certain the the laughing smiley means he was joking. I'm pretty sure he knows that plugs don't impact oil consumption.
Very true, he's not gsJack for nothing.
But like he said, if they could, it would be very interesting..
Beating BrianKD to the punch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzZeyc0m1Iw&feature=channel&list=UL
First viewer!
Haha, thanks Bombsquad!
******
Side-by-side Comparison
******
NGK vs Brisk Engine sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDpb3pZbYlI
Quote from: BrianKD on August 16, 2012, 12:49:08 PM
NGK vs Brisk Engine sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDpb3pZbYlI
sad to say.. I DID notice a difference, although the majority of the video seems to indicate "there is no difference" :D
The pattern and lack-of-backfire/misfire seemed identical to me. but the brisk one, had a very very slightly higher pitched overtone to it, on idle.
That being said.. I doubt that the idle always sounds the same, even on the same bike, all the time.
So, who knows? :-/
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Quote from: jdoorn14 on August 16, 2012, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Yea, I mean, how are people supposed to know what youre responding to if you dont quote everything?
Quote from: gsatterw on August 16, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: jdoorn14 on August 16, 2012, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Yea, I mean, how are people supposed to know what youre responding to if you dont quote everything?
I don't get...what are you guys talking about... :dunno_black:
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 17, 2012, 05:48:07 AM
Quote from: gsatterw on August 16, 2012, 02:07:44 PM
Quote from: jdoorn14 on August 16, 2012, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 12:17:37 PM
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on August 16, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Quote from: bucket_chemist on August 16, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on August 16, 2012, 11:19:09 AM
#5320
Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Yea, I mean, how are people supposed to know what youre responding to if you dont quote everything?
I don't get...what are you guys talking about... :dunno_black:
You should know what's going on just because it's been quoted above what I'm saying! :flipoff:
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Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Yea, I mean, how are people supposed to know what youre responding to if you dont quote everything?
I don't get...what are you guys talking about... :dunno_black:
You should know what's going on just because it's been quoted above what I'm saying! :flipoff:
OIC! :icon_twisted:
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Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Yea, I mean, how are people supposed to know what youre responding to if you dont quote everything?
I don't get...what are you guys talking about... :dunno_black:
You should know what's going on just because it's been quoted above what I'm saying! :flipoff:
OIC! :icon_twisted:
Sarcasm. Guess it still doesn't translate well into written form. :confused:
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Quote from: gsJack on August 16, 2012, 07:06:28 AM
With 96k miles on the clock my 02 GS still starts and runs flawlessly so I don't see the need for better plugs at this time. However, if anyone can report and confirm reduced oil consumption with these plugs I will be very interested. :icon_lol:
Plugs can't affect oil consumption.
Oil consumption is oil leaking around things inside the engine. Better combustion won't change that.
The plugs do give better power and slightly better gas mileage.
I was going to post the same thing, but I figured Jack was making light of these plug's seemingly miraculous properties. They're like the Jesus plug...able to cure all ills. :)
I'm in need of new plugs soonish. I might have to have a set of these shipped to NZ.
#5322
Well, if you have better gas mileage it means you are using less gas. Since the oil injector mixes oil and gas at about a 1:30 ratio, then you will get less oil consumption. That in turn makes the bike easier to kick start.
...am I missing something.
What bike are we talking about here..?
Easy. After installing the plugs Adidas' bikes sprouted kick starters and became two strokes. I was right, they are Jesus plugs. Hallelujah! :flipoff:
But, seriously, I suppose that in a two stroke reduced fuel consumption must mean reduced oil consumption too.
#5323
We are making a poor attempt thinking gsJack was really joking about the plugs reducing oil consumption.
he had a smiley face so maybe he was joking?
OIC
Holy Quote Fest Batman!
You know, I was just thinking that not enough people quote the whole thread in every post... :technical:
Yea, I mean, how are people supposed to know what youre responding to if you dont quote everything?
I don't get...what are you guys talking about... :dunno_black:
You should know what's going on just because it's been quoted above what I'm saying! :flipoff:
OIC! :icon_twisted:
Sarcasm. Guess it still doesn't translate well into written form. :confused:
LOL Oh it translates alright.
:D
Dont know if somoeone found this already but i found them on ebay for $18 plus $6 to ship =$24 little bit cheaper than amazon.
Quote from: knowles on August 17, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
Dont know if somoeone found this already but i found them on ebay for $18 plus $6 to ship =$24 little bit cheaper than amazon.
Is $18 for one or two?
Sounds like $17.99 that I saw last night for one plug. Magnum Tuning was the seller I saw on ebay - same people, basically the same price.
$34.95 on amazon is for two plugs.
And if you truly found a bargain, why no link?
Yeah I saw that aswell. Wouldn't be a bad deal for a thumper. Although having a spare isn't ever a bad idea.
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Quote from: knowles on August 17, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
Dont know if somoeone found this already but i found them on ebay for $18 plus $6 to ship =$24 little bit cheaper than amazon.
Is $18 for one or two?
Sounds like $17.99 that I saw last night for one plug. Magnum Tuning was the seller I saw on ebay - same people, basically the same price.
$34.95 on amazon is for two plugs.
And if you truly found a bargain, why no link?
ya its for one. my bad
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Quote from: knowles on August 17, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
Dont know if somoeone found this already but i found them on ebay for $18 plus $6 to ship =$24 little bit cheaper than amazon.
Is $18 for one or two?
Sounds like $17.99 that I saw last night for one plug. Magnum Tuning was the seller I saw on ebay - same people, basically the same price.
$34.95 on amazon is for two plugs.
And if you truly found a bargain, why no link?
ya its for one. my bad
You messed up :nono:. Hey everyone, lets take him out back and beat the sheets out of him :woohoo:
Michael
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Quote from: knowles on August 17, 2012, 10:03:55 AM
Dont know if somoeone found this already but i found them on ebay for $18 plus $6 to ship =$24 little bit cheaper than amazon.
Is $18 for one or two?
Sounds like $17.99 that I saw last night for one plug. Magnum Tuning was the seller I saw on ebay - same people, basically the same price.
$34.95 on amazon is for two plugs.
And if you truly found a bargain, why no link?
ya its for one. my bad
You messed up :nono:. Hey everyone, lets take him out back and beat the sheets out of him :woohoo:
Michael
I thought we gave everyone a freebie, then beat the sheets the second time they mess up. Like the rustle you hear just before the drop bear jumps you...a warning shot, per say.
Anyone try these out in a cager? I'm assuming that they would yield the same results, but just curious.
Somebody needs to try these plugs with Ethanol Free Gas. I've been running it in my bike for a couple of weeks now and see much of the same benefits you guys are seeing from the plugs. I wounder if the two together would turn the puny Banner GS into the HULK GS!
Bought these plugs on the strong recommendations of this forum and found many of the same benefits. Particularly, I like the quick warmup, however I have noticed hesitation to start. It may take 10-20 seconds to start with the choke on, sometimes with a backfire or two. I haven't changed anything else recently. Any thoughts on this? I am not in the habit of throttling it while starting. Should I?
So I got mine in the mail, stuffed them in, and...well I'm not totally impressed. I'd be lying if i said I experienced the quick start up...cause I didn't. I mean, it was quick, but no quicker than usual. I guess I should mention that I went from Iridium plugs to these. I did notice it tug a bit more at really low rpm's, and the sound sounded fatter in general. Worth the $34 ehh, maybe. Iridium are just as good, in my noobish opinion.
Quote from: 1310 on August 26, 2012, 02:09:38 PM
Bought these plugs on the strong recommendations of this forum and found many of the same benefits. Particularly, I like the quick warmup, however I have noticed hesitation to start. It may take 10-20 seconds to start with the choke on, sometimes with a backfire or two. I haven't changed anything else recently. Any thoughts on this? I am not in the habit of throttling it while starting. Should I?
Try less choke and a little throttle if necessary. I find with these MUCH LESS choke.
Well for those who dont know, my other bike finally got here and I swapped over the engine. I put these plugs in and with no choke it is a turn key start. With choke on it will not start but just to be able to hold the starter for a second or so and it start is pretty nice to me.
I cant compare to OEM plugs though
One thing I'll add to this thread. Make sure that you keep up on your required maintenance. My bike had the stock plugs the first few thousand miles. Started having problems with cold-blooded starting. Switched to Iridiums. Worked better. Re-jetted shortly after that. Helped with warm-ups.
7000 miles comes. Cleaned plugs cause they were dirty. Worked a little better, but not great.
9000 miles comes. Runs terrible cold, great warm. Was thinking of these plugs, then realized that I had not adjusted the valves ever. Adjusted the valves (the exhaust was <.03 on left, and barely in spec on right) and now runs like a top hot, cold, and warm.
The point of all of this is yes, the plugs are valuable...but don't just hang your hat on them. In an internal combustion engine, plugs are only part of the equation.
First real test.
200 mile day trip to Mt. Rainer last Sunday.
230 miles since fill up.
3.438 gallons.
66.9 mpg.
Pretty good mileage and I still need to do a valve adjustment and carb sync - been 2000 miles since last checked by the dealer (RMC out of business so I will do it myself now that Suzi's at about 7000 miles and out of warranty).
Just like to add my 94 gs500 starts in about 1/10 of a sec..no choke...no throttle ,and idles until it's warm....every time.
My plugs are whatever came from the factory in 94 with almost 10,000 miles on them. We just bought it a few months ago rescued it from storage for the last 8 years.
This is my daughters bike,and she left for Army Basic training a week ago,and we never had the father daughter time for maintenance. We spent each free moment riding not repairing.
-CS
Ofcourse it does !!.
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Seriously i have zero reason to lie about it...I am not here for the fan gathering unlike some others.
She has been gone for 5 days...IT has not been started for 5 days.
Granted it is 80* outside ,but it did just as it always does....no gas ...no choke...no problem. I'll have a video uploaded soon.
Terrible pathetic phone video from an old razor ,but you can hear it and see it ..sorta.
http://youtu.be/_a2W467u6MA
-CS
Regular plugs are fine. Bikes can start fine. Just I find the Brisk plugs make my bikes perform better. Not arguing about anything, just my observations.
Think of going the other way. Bike wouldn't run as well with cheap crappy spark plugs. How many of us intentionally go out and buy crappy plugs because we feel they make no difference? Not many. But some see no need to go the other way for a better plug. :cookoo: That logic eludes me.
"I won't go cheap because I know it won't work as well but I won't go better because I don't feel it makes any difference." WTF? :cookoo:
Anyway - these have just been my observations. No need for videos to prove a point as there is no point to prove. Oh, wait - it is the internet so we do have to drive a point to the ends of the world for no apparent reason. :icon_lol:
End of story. I found plugs that improve performance and I am happy with them.
If you're happy with what you have that is fine. There is nothing to show or prove. :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: adidasguy on September 11, 2012, 04:06:29 PM
Anyway - these have just been my observations. No need for videos to prove a point as there is no point to prove. Oh, wait -
Funny coming from a guy that broke his mirror off and stuck it in the gravel,then set his bike down..then piled gravel on the back side of the mirror ,and then takes pictures of your front tire only skid to prove you fake crashed..... then begged to delete the thread.
Yea there is no need for that.
-CS
Does anyone know did J Walker come back with a different name?
You're all wrong. You are clueless about the situation.
(Unless you have a warped sense of humor. )
I do not take lightly to being accused of damaging one of my beauties intentionally - even if joking.
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aww
You know you set it down ..probably laid it down someplace else ,and decided to blame someone other than yourself..Which you can't do for a solo crash ..and you know your an idiot ,that's why you begged to delete your own thread. after you was proven a liar.
you're best to stop trying to talk to me like you're doing. I can easily repost your idiot pictures.
-CS
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Quote from: adidasguy on September 11, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
First real test.
200 mile day trip to Mt. Rainer last Sunday.
230 miles since fill up.
3.438 gallons.
66.9 mpg.
Pretty good mileage and I still need to do a valve adjustment and carb sync - been 2000 miles since last checked by the dealer (RMC out of business so I will do it myself now that Suzi's at about 7000 miles and out of warranty).
You have convinced me that this just may work. I think that part of my problem was that I was a tad rich on the pilot...it's getting colder here in OH. 50* F in the morning. Starts and runs right away like a dream in the morning. 80* cold start, not so much. That tells me slightly rich.
I hear that these plugs turn typically leaner mitures into perfect ones. Lesson learned...turn down pilot mixture screws, and install these plugs.
Don't get your panties in a bunch,every forum has a guy like this.Most forums just ignore him and when he doesn't get a rise out of people he moves on.Kinda like my 4 year old grandson that always says " NO " to everything,you stop asking him things and he can't say no and he stops!!.The people I know that act like this on the internet are total pussies in there real lives so this is there only way to act tough!!.
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Quote from: adidasguy on September 11, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
First real test.
200 mile day trip to Mt. Rainer last Sunday.
230 miles since fill up.
3.438 gallons.
66.9 mpg.
Pretty good mileage and I still need to do a valve adjustment and carb sync - been 2000 miles since last checked by the dealer (RMC out of business so I will do it myself now that Suzi's at about 7000 miles and out of warranty).
WOW......66.9 MPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am happy when I see any MPG over 50 on mine......I might have to spree the extra $ for these!
Wonder if they do a set for the f800? I'll have to get a set.
The child has ruined a few good threads.
The internet is a place where insecure people with self esteem issues can post whatever they want in an attempt to boots their ego. Similar to a kid throwing a temper tantrum. Wants attention. as long as we give it to him he feels important. They are not able to speak face to face. They wish to remain hidden and throw their pusillanimous comments all over the place.
So talk face to face and show who you are. Here's me:
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/adidasguy/beer.jpg)
What was a good discussion of Brisk performance plugs has now been destroyed. Best solution is to have the moderator ban him and delete the string of crap to get this back to something useful.
I don't think it is J_Walker under a new name. He was just stupid. More like jb848 - he was an @$$hole in the extreme.
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 11, 2012, 08:00:18 PM
Wonder if they do a set for the f800? I'll have to get a set.
Contact them at Magnum Tuning. Brisk makes all kinds of performance plugs.
A better plug can't hurt.
They're really nice. Helped me get a performance plug for my TS185. Thumper runs better now.
Just jumped on the Aussie site and no listing for the f800 :cry:
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 11, 2012, 08:15:26 PM
Just jumped on the Aussie site and no listing for the f800 :cry:
Email them with the plug you currently use. They will tell you what plugs they have that cross reference to it.
They did that for Thumper. TS-185 not in their list.
Does thumper foul plugs often? Some 2 stokes do. I'm assuming you have auto lube. Auto lubrication has more consistent mixture than premix.
Would be interesting to see how they perform in a 2 stroke motor.
Quote from: craigs449 on September 11, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: adidasguy on September 11, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
First real test.
200 mile day trip to Mt. Rainer last Sunday.
230 miles since fill up.
3.438 gallons.
66.9 mpg.
Pretty good mileage and I still need to do a valve adjustment and carb sync - been 2000 miles since last checked by the dealer (RMC out of business so I will do it myself now that Suzi's at about 7000 miles and out of warranty).
WOW......66.9 MPG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am happy when I see any MPG over 50 on mine......I might have to spree the extra $ for these!
With everything on my 09 being stock 67 MPG is pretty normal for me. There are many factors that affect mileage and mine can vary from high 40's to a couple 72's. The low mileage is lot's of wind and low gear/high rpm while the high mileage is easy calm lazy riding. Regardless, when I do change the plugs I'll definitely try some Brisk plugs. My only question would be why the copper over the silver? Silver is the better conductor of electricity.
Quote from: jestercinti on September 11, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
I hear that these plugs turn typically leaner mitures into perfect ones. Lesson learned...turn down pilot mixture screws, and install these plugs.
Hrrrm... So basically what you're saying is... with my drop-in k&N filter, I could have just swapped plugs, and I'd have been good.
Which has the implication that if I ever manage to actually finish the rejet, tuned for "normal" plugs... then if I put in the brisk ones, it'll be too rich? :-p
oh wait, screws and jets are different. So.... whaddya think?
The plugs have a different shape to the spark. It is more of a mushroom and deeper into the cylinder than the location of the standard spark.
That results in a better burn. Better burn means more power and it is more consistent so smoother running.
The plug doesn't affect the mixture. It makes whatever your mixture is burn better.
I have found better power and nice acceleration even with WOT. No dead area on the throttle or lag.
What you did improved performance. The Brisk plugs also improve performance. With both, you should have awesome power.
Just ordered a set from Amazon.........hopefully I will see MPG's go up to the 60's too :cheers: I commute 55 miles round trip 5 days a week and usually hit reserve near the end of my 3rd trip (165-170 miles).....It would be nice to stretch my fill ups to once every 4th, or even 5th! commute......
BTW, I have put almost 6,000 commuter miles on mine since April..........Loving it :cheers:
Craigs...that's a lot of commuting miles. Good to see I am not the only one with the GS500 commute killer. Let us know how the plugs work out.
Quote from: jestercinti on September 12, 2012, 05:29:05 AM
Craigs...that's a lot of commuting miles. Good to see I am not the only one with the GS500 commute killer. Let us know how the plugs work out.
The fuel savings have already paid for the bike.....I paid $790 for it...2001 it had less than 15,000 miles on it when I bought it.....By my calculations, I have saved over $900 in fuel ($3.60/gallon comparing it to the 18 MPG that I get in my truck) in commuting mileage since April :cheers:
Rain or shine, I ride........Frogg Toggs rain gear is the bomb!
wow.
any rust issues?
Between parking and fuel bikes are free for me ...
To top it off I pay nothing for it cos I buy a mangled mess ... so its all profit ... :thumb:
Cool.
Buddha.
Craigs...that's a lot of commuting miles. Good to see I am not the only one with the GS500 commute killer. Let us know how the plugs work out.
I see as well that I'm nit the only one who hops on the bike no matter what time it is. I've put over 10k on my 2005 In the year and half I've had mine. I do think 6k since April might me a little more ridding than me.
Great find adidas! I will definately be investing into these plugs as a trial. I'll also let everyone know what they do for my bike.
Thanks for the find!
Quote from: 05-500_F-aster on September 12, 2012, 10:45:03 AM
Craigs...that's a lot of commuting miles.
I'm unable to take the bike everyday, but my commute is 57 miles one way.. :sad:
Quote from: GI_JO_NATHAN on September 12, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: 05-500_F-aster on September 12, 2012, 10:45:03 AM
Craigs...that's a lot of commuting miles.
I'm unable to take the bike everyday, but my commute is 57 miles one way.. :sad:
I put some cheapo saddle bags on mine, so there is no excuse for me not to ride everyday! :cheers:
Quote from: adidasguy on September 11, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 11, 2012, 08:15:26 PM
Just jumped on the Aussie site and no listing for the f800 :cry:
Email them with the plug you currently use. They will tell you what plugs they have that cross reference to it.
They did that for Thumper. TS-185 not in their list.
Yeah that's the thing I don't even know how to get my plugs out yet lol but I have received my Haynes manual so I'll look into it.
Quote from: craigs449 on September 12, 2012, 01:11:38 PM
I put some cheapo saddle bags on mine, so there is no excuse for me not to ride everyday! :cheers:
Yeah I've got all that.
It's just that I have to take and pick up my daughter from daycare most of the time..
Back to the plugs...
Adidas, did you say you found some for thumper? I may have missed something, but curious to see how they handle in a 2 stroke. Probably the same as a 4 stroke, but my curiosity lies in the added oil mixture.
I am probably over analyzing as usual. :icon_rolleyes:
HUH? First real test of what? 67 MPG...yeah....I commute 180 miles just about every Saturday and every Sunday......That is pretty much my average over the last 2 years and 29,000 miles on the longer rides.........(I get as low as 50 MPG on my weekly short commute with trips of less than a mile, up to 20 miles.
Are you saying that conventional spark plugs would not give you the same mileage? If so you need to test that too, in order to come to some conclusion.
Gas mileage on a GS500 varies so wildly due to many factors, ( temperature, humidity, wind, hills, riding style) that one long ride is hardly indicative of anything. (Comparison)
Listen, I do appreciate you going out and trying these plugs, and reporting back. But so far, the evidence of any meaningful improvement is not there IMHO. Starting without choke is interesting, but I'm not sure what benefit that offers. Improved mileage is not yet shown. Improved HP is not yet shown. "performing better" is simply subjective.
So far you have shown that the fancy plugs give the same mileage as stock...
"better is more expensive"
"expensive doesn't always mean better"
I find it interesting that the same company makes a variety of plug designs...some quite conventional. Don't they believe in their own special design?
Whenever anyone makes claims of "well the bike just feels better".....whether due to spark plugs, high test gas, dyna beads, motor treatment in a can, etc......I always make the same challenge.....do a "blind taste test"...that is take a closed course of considerable length...run the bike with stock parts, then with the miracle device.....but with the rider not knowing which is installed.....but you have to do like 20 runs or more...and mix it up...and see how many times the rider can identify which way the bike is set up........
Of course nobody ever takes the time to do this....they all just give you the subjective..."I know my bike and I know it feels better"..........OK if it makes you happy go for it....but this is not a "test".
So anyway...keep testing...keep us informed.....it is interesting....I am not in the least convinced (yet)...My bike starts fine, runs fine, is capable of speeds far above what I want or need, gets good mileage....hard to top that!
Cookie
Quote from: adidasguy on September 11, 2012, 01:48:28 PM
First real test.
200 mile day trip to Mt. Rainer last Sunday.
230 miles since fill up.
3.438 gallons.
66.9 mpg.
Pretty good mileage and I still need to do a valve adjustment and carb sync - been 2000 miles since last checked by the dealer (RMC out of business so I will do it myself now that Suzi's at about 7000 miles and out of warranty).
I cannot argue with that Twocool. The experiences and results of the posts in this thread are unofficial.
I am an auditor by trade, and the president of a local auditing group in Cincinnati (http://www.isaca-cincinnati.org). You need proof, and you need data. Having a bone stock bike (the control) compared to a bone stock bike with these plugs as the only change would be a good test for fuel economy for instance. You'd also need to make sure that the engines are in equal mechanical abilities, such as brand new.
Overkill for this forum IMO, but if someone is willing to do this, I'll independently verify the results. :police:
Regardless of the unscientific results, I'm installing these based on good reviews from the community. :thumb:
If I had the dough, I'd independently test this myself. I don't have the attention span, however :D
Quote from: twocool on September 12, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
.but you have to do like 20 runs or more...and mix it up...and see how many times the rider can identify which way the bike is set up........
pfft.
It should take 1 really bored person, either 2 hours, or 4 hours, to have pretty authorative proof.
First off, it needs to be someone who has a "commute" type long run, and usualy gets fairly standard milage from his bike.
First, fill to exactly a particular level.
Do the "standard run", for X amount of miles, where "X" is ideally a gallon's worth, and it is a run where there are virtually no stop signs, lights, etc.
In other words, a freeway run of some kind is probably the idea.
Come back at end, record milage, record fuel required to get back to set level.
Do standard run with new plugs.
Come back, record milage, fuel.
Replace original plugs.
Do run again, etc.
Replace new plugs, do run for fourth and final time.
If runs with "standard plugs" are within 1-2 mpg of each other.. and runs with "new plugs" are within 1-2 mpg of each other... but there is significant variation between standrad and new plug runs.. then its pretty conclusive .
The key here is doing them all back to back on same day, at times where temp is relatively set as well.
Some reproduction of results is desirable, sure. But claiming it requires 20 times is just silly.
If there are external variables, then the doubled runs with standard plugs should show it up.
Phil,
Yes, this is called the "scientific method".......many ways to set up the experiment...one bike is the "control".....
Trouble is, even in your scenario below, there are too many variables..........
The "swing" on gas mileage is 10 to 20 MPG.....so trying to get down to 1 or 2 is difficult on a real world course. In fact, our racer friend says he gets like 13 MPG running on the track at full throttle.
I have gotten over 70 MPG on my long ride...so that is a swing of over 50 MPG due to factors other than spark pugs.
Bigger point....If gas economy is the goal....spark plugs are not the answer. I think most GS500 riders are happy with he 50 plus MPG...an extra 2 MPG is not significant....
But what I would like to address is the riders who claim..."the bike just feels better".....how do you argue with this? You need to make up some mythbusters, blind taste test.....results would be enlightening!
But you're right...it would require several people with way too much spare time....
Cookie
Quote from: Phil B on September 12, 2012, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: twocool on September 12, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
.but you have to do like 20 runs or more...and mix it up...and see how many times the rider can identify which way the bike is set up........
pfft.
It should take 1 really bored person, either 2 hours, or 4 hours, to have pretty authorative proof.
First off, it needs to be someone who has a "commute" type long run, and usualy gets fairly standard milage from his bike.
First, fill to exactly a particular level.
Do the "standard run", for X amount of miles, where "X" is ideally a gallon's worth, and it is a run where there are virtually no stop signs, lights, etc.
In other words, a freeway run of some kind is probably the idea.
Come back at end, record milage, record fuel required to get back to set level.
Do standard run with new plugs.
Come back, record milage, fuel.
Replace original plugs.
Do run again, etc.
Replace new plugs, do run for fourth and final time.
If runs with "standard plugs" are within 1-2 mpg of each other.. and runs with "new plugs" are within 1-2 mpg of each other... but there is significant variation between standrad and new plug runs.. then its pretty conclusive .
The key here is doing them all back to back on same day, at times where temp is relatively set as well.
Some reproduction of results is desirable, sure. But claiming it requires 20 times is just silly.
If there are external variables, then the doubled runs with standard plugs should show it up.
To hell with the mpg. I ordered the plugs and replaced them in my 08 and I can feel and hear a difference immediately. The throttle is much more responsive. Thanks Addidas
I know everyone is skeptical about the "miracle potions", but I would think that the amount of people on here relating that they noticed a difference should account for something. As for the testing, i will swap mine out when i get them and take note of the mileage at fill ups just like I do with it now. Most of the time I get 47-48 MPG during the hot weather, as of lately I am getting 50-51 MPG since the temp has cooled. I am shocked at the MPG's that some get out of their GS's on here!
Adidasguy, when you posted that you got to really give them a test and recorded 66 MPG, had you taken that route before with the old plugs?, And if so, what kind of mileage were you logging then?
BTW, mine are ordered and waiting to be shipped :icon_mrgreen:
I'm not siding either way on this, but I've been following along. So I figure I'll add an element I haven't seen mentioned.
When I first got my bike, it only had 2500 miles on it. But I went ahead and replaced the plugs after a couple weeks of riding even though they seemed fine and were hardly discolored at all. I immediately noticed a difference with the new plugs. It started easier and it warmed up faster. I replaced them with the exact same stock plugs...
For some of you, could this be just a case of fresh plugs? or is my experience with new plugs not normal?
- Bboy
Quote from: twocool on September 13, 2012, 03:30:20 AM
Trouble is, even in your scenario below, there are too many variables..........
The "swing" on gas mileage is 10 to 20 MPG.....
not for me. As I've posted a few times here and there, when I'm doing just my standard commute run, I get a pretty standard 55/56mpg every time.
It's 99% freeway. Something like a total of 10 lights/stop signs total, to cover 20 miles. So I know this sort of accuracy is possible.
The point is, to measure it over exactly the same run.
I would agree with you, that 2mpg isnt much. I'd be more worried about what it might be doing to the engine.
5mpg more, and I'd be all over it, even though that's technically "only" 5% difference.
Quote from: craigs449 on September 13, 2012, 04:51:39 AM
I know everyone is skeptical about the "miracle potions", but I would think that the amount of people on here relating that they noticed a difference should account for something. As for the testing, i will swap mine out when i get them and take note of the mileage at fill ups just like I do with it now. Most of the time I get 47-48 MPG during the hot weather, as of lately I am getting 50-51 MPG since the temp has cooled. I am shocked at the MPG's that some get out of their GS's on here!
Adidasguy, when you posted that you got to really give them a test and recorded 66 MPG, had you taken that route before with the old plugs?, And if so, what kind of mileage were you logging then?
BTW, mine are ordered and waiting to be shipped :icon_mrgreen:
Used to be a little over 60 on similar riding.
When plugs were swapped, I had Iridium plugs in for just a couple months. So I was swapping out pretty fresh plugs. I had noticed little difference from stock plugs to iridium ones. Noticeable difference from iridium to Brisk.
Can you define "more responsive" in some objective terms?
0-60 times faster? 0-30? 0-10?
Are you telling me that my throttle is "unresponsive"?
I would gladly do the blind taste test with you......think you can really tell the difference?
Cookie
Quote from: Saiman619 on September 13, 2012, 03:55:51 AM
To hell with the mpg. I ordered the plugs and replaced them in my 08 and I can feel and hear a difference immediately. The throttle is much more responsive. Thanks Addidas
Such testing should be done with brand new stock plugs vs. brand new brisk plugs as well to level the playing field.
Quote from: adidasguy on September 13, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: craigs449 on September 13, 2012, 04:51:39 AM
I know everyone is skeptical about the "miracle potions", but I would think that the amount of people on here relating that they noticed a difference should account for something. As for the testing, i will swap mine out when i get them and take note of the mileage at fill ups just like I do with it now. Most of the time I get 47-48 MPG during the hot weather, as of lately I am getting 50-51 MPG since the temp has cooled. I am shocked at the MPG's that some get out of their GS's on here!
Adidasguy, when you posted that you got to really give them a test and recorded 66 MPG, had you taken that route before with the old plugs?, And if so, what kind of mileage were you logging then?
BTW, mine are ordered and waiting to be shipped :icon_mrgreen:
Used to be a little over 60 on similar riding.
When plugs were swapped, I had Iridium plugs in for just a couple months. So I was swapping out pretty fresh plugs. I had noticed little difference from stock plugs to iridium ones. Noticeable difference from iridium to Brisk.
Iridium plugs are not designed for carburetted engines, because just a tiny overflow can permanently damage 'em.
Maybe your bike wasn't happy with them in the first place, hence the Brisk ones feel so much better?
Just a thought.
They're way over my sparkplug budget anyway.
For the price of 4 Brisks (+shipping and customs) I can buy 20-25 Densos, which is more than enough for my lifetime, nevermind the bike.
:))
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Quote from: Shepa on September 13, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
Iridium plugs are not designed for carburetted engines, because just a tiny overflow can permanently damage 'em.
Huh?
Where is that written?
"Overflow" of what?
I guess I better tell my Suzuki dealers to stop selling iridium plugs.
Sorry, english is not my native language, so...
What I meant was, if the bike runs rich, or the carbs "spit" a bit more gas than usual (cutting the throttle in high rpms, etc...), Iridium plugs (by Denso) tend to burn out permanently.
I've witnessed a couple of such cases (the center electrode just dissappeared from plug), so I never installed them, just the "normal" Denso plugs.
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We don't use Denso that I can think of.
We use NGK Iridium plugs most of the time.
It seems many companies make Iridium plugs.
Denso says their Iridium plugs are good for 30k miles in a car as opposed to 120k miles for standard plugs. They also say they will soon be making them for motorcycles. their web page is dated 2012.
Different market, different products, I suppose. We have both Denso standard and Iridium here, and the NGKs are so low in quality recently, everyone is avoiding them.
I'd love to test those Brisks, just for smoother engine running, but does that justify the price?
Could you upload a video or a sound recording perhaps?
I'm not interested in HP gain (I got more than enough), or gas mileage (15-39 sprockets are pretty economical combo for me).
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Quote from: Shepa on September 13, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
Could you upload a video or a sound recording perhaps?
Been done. Here it is again:
http://youtu.be/wDpb3pZbYlI
Quote from: bombsquad83 on September 13, 2012, 10:37:48 AM
Such testing should be done with brand new stock plugs vs. brand new brisk plugs as well to level the playing field.
Of course....scientific method.....
Another thought..supposedly the Brisk plugs derive their "magic" do to more complete or "more efficient" fuel burn.....i.e. same fuel, but more burned = more power, smoother etc...
If this is so...wouldn't a simple emissions test show the whole story?
Incomplete fuel burn shows up as hydrocarbons in exhaust (I think).......
So ... Have the emissions checked..then switch plugs and have 'em rechecked..see what the difference in exhaust gasses results...
Come on guys...I grasping for anything, anything objective...give me something!
Cookie
http://www.briskracing.com/brisk-racing-premium-multi-spark-plugs
http://www.briskracing.com/brisk-racing-performance-spark-plugs-advantages
You are right that a better burn of what's there is the difference. I also find it is a more consistent burn as shown by smoother running of the engine.
Mashing on the throttle I don't get that momentary lag. Acceleration takes off in a smooth curve.
if there wasn't a difference in spark plugs, wouldn't we all be using el-cheap-o Champions or wally-mark plugs? Why would we use NGK? The why go iridium?
Its OK if you don't think the high price of Brisk plugs are worth the change in performance. However I think anyone who questions that one plug is better than another should be forced to use the cheapest plug around since they don't think plugs make a difference.
Once yo say "I won't use that cheap brand of plug" or "I prefer iridiums" you have admitted you believe plugs do make a difference. Now it is justifying the added expense of Brisk .vs. the performance.
I'll try a riding video - I have a long steep hill where I can mash the throttle - with different plugs. Far enough from my house that when I get there the engine will always be the same temperature.
After 45 years of riding,40 of which have also been offroad I have tried most every brand of plug, here what I have learned!!.
In 2strokes autolite plugs ALWAYS fouled within 30 minutes or so ( from 125cc-500cc ).Champions would SOMETIMES last a full weekend.NGK's were by far the best,I could go for a whole year on the same plug!!.In my street going 4 strokes I never had many problems with Champions but I never felt like I was getting everything out of the bike with them.Autolites always fouled in 2 of my bikes,my 550 seca and my 700 virago bobber.I can honestly say I have never,ever had a problem with NGK's in my street bikes and in a 2stroke I changed them every year just to start new but I would carry the old plug as a spare.Now I have Trey and he has the brisk plugs and he runs great,starts with little or no choke and seems to get good mpg.I have never ridden a GS500 with NGK's so I can't compare them.When we head to Deadhorse next June I will be bringing EXTRA plugs for both bikes and they will be NGK's!!.
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Quote from: adidasguy on September 13, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
We don't use Denso that I can think of.
We use NGK Iridium plugs most of the time.
It seems many companies make Iridium plugs.
Denso says their Iridium plugs are good for 30k miles in a car as opposed to 120k miles for standard plugs. They also say they will soon be making them for motorcycles. their web page is dated 2012.
HUH? Suzuki specifies either Denso or NGK....both common and available.
Iridium really doesn't make sense to me in that engine.
Cookie
You are equating price to performance........
First of all, you have to define "performance" then you have to figure out a way to measure it...then you have to run tests to compare......
For instance fuel economy would be one parameter of Performance....but getting 66 MPH on a single ride, without any comparison to anything else just does not show anything.........
Performance parameters such as "smoothness" are certainly hard to define, and even harder to measure........"throttle response" is another purely subjective parameter.........
My bike has never experienced any discernible "lag" of any type, using stock plugs....I have also never experienced any "lack of throttle response". So I would not even begin to know what I am missing!
My bike also seems to get exactly the same MPH as you, but with stock plugs...so where's the benefit?
How about this? When you do that video...make many runs...and change from the Brisk plugs to Regular NGK and back again...several times...BUT.... have an assistant choose and change the plugs, so you do not know which are installed... mix them up....two runs with the same...then change.. then don't change etc....A" blind taste test".....see if you can "name the plugs"...say 10 out of 10 runs....Then I would see some objective information as to the improvement offered by these plugs.......
Only problem I see, is I don't like to remove plugs when the engine is full hot....
Of course if I were doing a definitive test....It would require many more runs, over varied terrain...longer distances...at different temperatures etc. Also I would throw in a set of really cheap ass plugs, and maybe even a defective plug...just to keep the rider honest!
But hey.....I do appreciate your input so far....really....better to let you do the hard work, and me to watch!
Cookie
Quote from: adidasguy on September 13, 2012, 04:35:57 PM
http://www.briskracing.com/brisk-racing-premium-multi-spark-plugs
http://www.briskracing.com/brisk-racing-performance-spark-plugs-advantages
You are right that a better burn of what's there is the difference. I also find it is a more consistent burn as shown by smoother running of the engine.
Mashing on the throttle I don't get that momentary lag. Acceleration takes off in a smooth curve.
if there wasn't a difference in spark plugs, wouldn't we all be using el-cheap-o Champions or wally-mark plugs? Why would we use NGK? The why go iridium?
Its OK if you don't think the high price of Brisk plugs are worth the change in performance. However I think anyone who questions that one plug is better than another should be forced to use the cheapest plug around since they don't think plugs make a difference.
Once yo say "I won't use that cheap brand of plug" or "I prefer iridiums" you have admitted you believe plugs do make a difference. Now it is justifying the added expense of Brisk .vs. the performance.
I'll try a riding video - I have a long steep hill where I can mash the throttle - with different plugs. Far enough from my house that when I get there the engine will always be the same temperature.
science aside... i've noticed that the people that have tried the brisk plug report that they notice a difference (un-qualified of course) .... and those that haven't actually tried them , have every reason known to history why they wont work and cant work ...
I dont think Brisk would market them as having some advantage if they didnt have some advantage... like the renthal people wouldnt market their bars as better .. or pirelli their tyres ... or Smuckers their peanut butter!
demanding scientific evaluation might better be aimed at the company rather than the user.. the company might actually have done some previous testing or something! :icon_rolleyes:
if anyone is happy with real/perceived performance gains for the $ spent then :woohoo: .. its all good... getting one's knickers in a twist over lack of quantifiable data just because it goes against one's viewpoint is just stress for no reason... someone wants justified data .. let them spend their time/money ...
anyone who is already happy with any change ... whether real/magic/imagined/holy intervention .. then they can be happy.
kinda easy really ...
oh and this being a discussion forum and not a Licensed Testing Authority laboratory ... viewpoints can and of course will differ. :dunno_black:
Thank you Janx.
I started the thread because I found some spark plugs which I felt really improved the performance of my bikes. My neighbors also noticed they sounded better, quieter and ran smoother.
I'm not here to sell anyone on them.
I just reported that I found a good product.
I don't need to do any comparison tests. I'm not here to sell them to you. I'm not here to convince you they are better than what you have.
I like Shorai batteries. If you like Wallymart - that's OK.
If you like Champion or K-Mart plugs, that's OK.
This being the internet, people can take a discussion to ad-nauseum just to be arguing with no real purpose in mind.
I am delighted with Brisk plugs. Make up your own mind. Try them or don't try them.
Thank you again Janx for saying what needed to be said.
Quote from: Janx101 on September 13, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
I dont think Brisk would market them as having some advantage if they didnt have some advantage...
Everything else you were saying made since, but this, you need to be a more discerning consumer about :-}
There are PLENTY of businesses, whose revenue is based *solely* on their ability to market to gullible people.
Pure marketing. Not any actual advantage, or even benefit of the product At All.
Not saying brisk is one of those companies. Just saying your premise there is invalid.
Quote from: Phil B on September 13, 2012, 10:54:12 PM
There are PLENTY of businesses, whose revenue is based *solely* on their ability to market to gullible people.
I am not a gullible person and never have been and I am happy to say the plugs have made a world of difference to the running of both my bikes :thumb:
I am so happy that adidasguy mentioned them here and cannot thank him enough :bowdown:
Looks like the only way to settle this is to get a GS, some normal plugs, iridium plugs, and some brisk plugs, a camera, and a dyno.
And BEER!!! you forgot the BEER!!!!
Yes of course Slips! .... Beer!
The rest of the anti's ............. Well thats all I have to say on that ... If this was comments on YouTube .. Someone woulda claimed to be Chip Foose's 3rd cousin on his mothers side and other nonsense ..
If they crap then gloat in the glow of the screen how much money was saved on your bike and wasted on others ...
Of course them that just wanna flog it till the cows come home will keep on keeping on .. And also whatever modifications are on their OWN bike are completely relevant/justified/bonafide ... Where's the bloody headbutt a brick wall smiley? :technical:
"Science aside"........well that says it all......I mean what would science possible have to do with motorcycle performance , fuel economy, throttle response, etc.?
So far we have a lot of subjective info....that's great....and you can't argue with that...that is why it is subjective. If you "think" these plugs are better, then I agree, they are better to you.
All I'm looking for is a shred of objective evidence.
Brisk makes the same hollow claims, without much back up.....the do offer two small charts.....one showing very slightly improvement in gas mileage....but I must point out this is so small as to be insignificant IMHO.....but it is there, so I give them that.
They also show some confusing chart about smoothness.....Brisk has more little lines near the top of the graph........I don't understand what this is actually showing or what it actually does in the real world.
Beyond that, nothing.......
So I will offer a challenge to any takers, and believers out there......
I will run a blind taste test, mythbuster style....
I will pay for the plugs, I will pay for the gas, I will buy lunch.....
Come to Northwest NJ....Take a nice Saturday...we'll do many runs with different plugs....we'll play "name that plug"....the results will be enlightening...
Anyone??
Cookie
Quote from: Janx101 on September 13, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
science aside... i've noticed that the people that have tried the brisk plug report that they notice a difference (un-qualified of course) .... and those that haven't actually tried them , have every reason known to history why they wont work and cant work ...
I dont think Brisk would market them as having some advantage if they didnt have some advantage... like the renthal people wouldnt market their bars as better .. or pirelli their tyres ... or Smuckers their peanut butter!
demanding scientific evaluation might better be aimed at the company rather than the user.. the company might actually have done some previous testing or something! :icon_rolleyes:
if anyone is happy with real/perceived performance gains for the $ spent then :woohoo: .. its all good... getting one's knickers in a twist over lack of quantifiable data just because it goes against one's viewpoint is just stress for no reason... someone wants justified data .. let them spend their time/money ...
anyone who is already happy with any change ... whether real/magic/imagined/holy intervention .. then they can be happy.
kinda easy really ...
oh and this being a discussion forum and not a Licensed Testing Authority laboratory ... viewpoints can and of course will differ. :dunno_black:
Yeah sure I'll fly over from Ozzie to waste my time .. Watch and listen to all the tests ... Then watch the antis firmly say NO .. And the posi ppl say Yes .. Each will still firmly keep their course .. And be completely satisfied with their own choice ... :icon_rolleyes:
SUBJECTIVELY everyone will be satisfied ... OBJECTIVELY it won't make a shred of difference
I have to wonder why the demand for evidence .. Apart from old fashioned sh!t stirring or possibly some perceived insult to another 'pet' brand/type plug.. Or employment by another brand ...
.. And not understanding a chart is nothing to be embarrassed about really .. Not everyone gets it ...
So apart from I really can't be bothered actually flying over for a ultimately futile test day it sounds fine .. Whatever the results it'll still make no difference to each individuals opinion
I'll still buy some when $ allow just cos I can and they still spark plugs so I dare say my bike will run afterwards .
I really gotta stop bothering with offering a viewpoint .. No one really gives a crap ..
I do hope someone takes up the hollow challenge tho .. Mm yep hollow .. Easy to offer if you're reasonably sure it's logistically difficult for many to take up ... Bah humbug
I'm a busy father and husband...otherwise, I'd drive over to NJ from OH and take you up on the challenge. I'd let you pay for my gas while the NJ gas station attendant fills up my tank... :thumb:
This reminds me of the Coke/Pepsi challenge of the 1980s. I still remember people saying "how dare they trick me...I always know Coke from Pepsi, and now I feel cheated."
I trust the membership on the board because they have bailed my a$$ out several times when I was ready to throw the toolbox across the garage and take the bike to the dealership.
Have you looked at Consumer Reports? They might have done something similar on a car. Why reinvent the wheel?
On my virago iridium plugs were more trouble than regular plugs ...
The Plugs with outward shooting spark will burn better but the problem is that I think the plug will give out sooner than the regular ... a lot sooner IMHO.
Cool.
Buddha.
Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.
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Oh ya I also talked about these plugs over on Stromtrooper and guess what,all the closet scientist came out over there also!!.Hey I like Corona LITE beer,it makes my body feel good BUT I don't have any scientific data to back that up but I would be willing to do some testing !!.
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Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 07:16:59 AM
Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.
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Nothing to settle here. :thumb: :thumb:
Quote from: twocool on September 14, 2012, 03:58:24 AM
All I'm looking for is a shred of objective evidence.
A quick literature search gets you this abstract: http://baztech.icm.edu.pl/baztech/cgi-bin/btgetdoc.cgi?BUJ5-0034-0003
What to settle is a measurable improvement in "performance". Hey, these plugs may be the greatest...then again just another bunch of hype. I don't know....the reports so far look good, but they are subjective.....Pardon me for wanting to look a little deeper!
So far the few who have ventured to "test" the plugs have reported....
66 MPG (same as you get with standard plugs)
Smoother running...(but undefined, unmeasured)
Easier starting and starting without choke (notable difference, but no real benefit)
Better throttle response..(also undefined and un-measured)
So some logical testing would be easy to do, and show what's what...are these plugs spectacular? are they just a tiny bit better than standard? or are the differences so small as to be
noticed?
Anybody in the NJ, N, PA area looking to run some tests...let me know.....Let's get together...it will be fun.....maybe conclusive, maybe not...but at least some factual data can be derived...
Let's do the Dyna bead test too, and the premium gas test too! and the fat tire test, and the synthetic oil test!
Cookie
Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 07:16:59 AM
Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.
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I must have missed something,I didn't see where anybody was trying to sell these plugs only people saying THEY found some improvement by useing them.I don't really think the OP could give a S$@;" if anybody agrees with him he's posting what HE found when useing these plugs !!.I love Suzuki's always have and always will but I could care less if anybody agrees with me or not !!.
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The "selling" was the feeling that people thought I was trying to sell them because they kept insisting that I give test results and "hard facts".
Bull. I like them. That's enough. Others like them.
Sorry Cookie - you want tons of data and I no longer care. I don't have time nor the desire to do comparative tests or dyno runs. Buy a pair and try them. Your time in all the postings has probably cost you (or the company you work for) far more in labor costs than the price of 2 Brisk plugs ($34 a pair .vs. bout $14 a pair for others). You want to look deeper: they are not that expensive. Buy a pair and please do your own tests.
Now if I can just remember where I found the place selling the extended mixture screws for Mukini BST33ss carbs.
Though in my search I did fine this SUPER write upon our carbs.
http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/CarbMiscFAQ.htm#Alternative%20Carb%20Parts:
(never mind on that - called Factory-Pro and ordered 3 sets of them. I will report later to start yet another endless "prove it" thread.)
So from now on everytime I talk about a product or service that I like I'm going to include the following disclaimer...
The product or service that I'm about to write about in this thread is NOT sold or marketed by me,I have NO data to back up ANYTHING I say about said product or service.All I can say is that it worked for me and only me.If you choose to try that your choice.
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Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
The product or service that I'm about to write about in this thread is NOT sold or marketed by me. I have NO data to back up ANYTHING I say about said product or service. All I can say is that it worked for me and only me. If you choose to try that your choice.
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Oh ya If anybody wants to copy and paste that disclaimer for there own thread feel free !!.
Alan ..
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Quote from: codajastal on September 14, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
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Love that pic Codajastal!
Northwestrider...epic post.
OK... will do!
Cookie
Quote from: adidasguy on September 14, 2012, 02:06:08 PM
The "selling" was the feeling that people thought I was trying to sell them because they kept insisting that I give test results and "hard facts".
Bull. I like them. That's enough. Others like them.
Sorry Cookie - you want tons of data and I no longer care. I don't have time nor the desire to do comparative tests or dyno runs. Buy a pair and try them. Your time in all the postings has probably cost you (or the company you work for) far more in labor costs than the price of 2 Brisk plugs ($34 a pair .vs. bout $14 a pair for others). You want to look deeper: they are not that expensive. Buy a pair and please do your own tests.
Now if I can just remember where I found the place selling the extended mixture screws for Mukini BST33ss carbs.
Though in my search I did fine this SUPER write upon our carbs.
http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/CarbMiscFAQ.htm#Alternative%20Carb%20Parts:
(never mind on that - called Factory-Pro and ordered 3 sets of them. I will report later to start yet another endless "prove it" thread.)
Quote from: twocool on September 13, 2012, 09:48:25 AM
Can you define "more responsive" in some objective terms?
0-60 times faster? 0-30? 0-10?
Are you telling me that my throttle is "unresponsive"?
I would gladly do the blind taste test with you......think you can really tell the difference?
Cookie
The difference between flooring the gas pedal in a 1990 camry vs 2012 camry. That's the best way I know to describe it. The other set of plugs I had in were only a few weeks old and I do believe that I could tell the difference blind.
OK...I'm not really up on my Camry's...I'd assume a 2012 is faster than a 1990?
I mean if you said the difference was like that of a Camry compared to a top fuel dragster....well then...
I'm working out a blind test that anybody can do, by themselves.......only cost is the two sets of plugs (which you have already) and the gas to run the course (which will be your normal weekend run, or daily commute or whatever).....so the cost is nothing...and the time is what you would already be doing.....
the only "rub" is you have to somehow randomly select the pairs of plugs, without looking at them...and also install them without looking at them, or the plugs you are removing.....sort of blind mechanic....
Of course, those of you who actually have "friends" could get the friend to assist in the random selection and installation........
Then there is a bit of time required for record keeping..probably 5 parameters, with 5 choices each..
like:
terrible,
fair,
good (average),
great,
fantastic......
or
runs rough,
slight roughness
runs like stock,
runs smooth,
runs like a Swiss watch,
I'm going to do 10 runs of my weekend commute....about 180 miles each ...so its gonna take 5 weeks altogether......
The parameters are still kind of nebulous:
so far:
1)Smoothness "feel"
2)Throttle response "feel"
3)Acceleration "feel
4)Overall impression and "feel
5)Gas mileage
I'd also like to do an exhaust gas analysis....
Anybody else interested in running similar tests...or have a better way to set up a fair objective blind test?
Cookie
Quote from: Saiman619 on September 14, 2012, 05:12:48 PM
Quote from: twocool on September 13, 2012, 09:48:25 AM
Can you define "more responsive" in some objective terms?
0-60 times faster? 0-30? 0-10?
Are you telling me that my throttle is "unresponsive"?
I would gladly do the blind taste test with you......think you can really tell the difference?
Cookie
The difference between flooring the gas pedal in a 1990 camry vs 2012 camry. That's the best way I know to describe it. The other set of plugs I had in were only a few weeks old and I do believe that I could tell the difference blind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzZeyc0m1Iw
Cookie
http://www.lxforums.com/board/f164/mods-face-off-result-brisk-lgs-spark-plugs-56217/
Cookie
twocool,
Not trying to offend but NO-ONE FUKKING CARES!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that have used them have found them to have improved the bikes running. Thats it FULLSTOP :dunno_black:
Wow really. !!!!!!
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Take a chill pill......If you don't care, OK.
Interesting that when you "call" somebody on a fantastic claim...they become defensive and belligerent. (but don't offer anything to the actual discussion)
If you want to discuss...OK discuss.....If you don't care, don't discuss...(but if you don't care, why do you even bother reading the posts?)
Many people ARE interested...that is why this topic went to 14 pages.....also Internet has thousands of posts and questions re. Brisk.
Cookie
Quote from: codajastal on September 14, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
twocool,
Not trying to offend but NO-ONE FUKKING CARES!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that have used them have found them to have improved the bikes running. Thats it FULLSTOP :dunno_black:
This forum is very difficult to figure out,there are so mamy members that seem to want to pick fights and argue!!.Since I have a GREAT local resource for all my GS questions and problems I think I will just sit back and watch for awhile and decided wether or not to stick around..Over on the OTHER GS forum I have NEVER seen anything like all this negativity !!.Really takes all the fun out of it now doesn't it !!.
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Quote from: adidasguy on September 14, 2012, 02:06:08 PM
The "selling" was the feeling that people thought I was trying to sell them because they kept insisting that I give test results and "hard facts".
Bull. I like them. That's enough. Others like them.
Sorry Cookie - you want tons of data and I no longer care. I don't have time nor the desire to do comparative tests or dyno runs. Buy a pair and try them. Your time in all the postings has probably cost you (or the company you work for) far more in labor costs than the price of 2 Brisk plugs ($34 a pair .vs. bout $14 a pair for others). You want to look deeper: they are not that expensive. Buy a pair and please do your own tests.
Now if I can just remember where I found the place selling the extended mixture screws for Mukini BST33ss carbs.
Though in my search I did fine this SUPER write upon our carbs.
http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/CarbMiscFAQ.htm#Alternative%20Carb%20Parts:
(never mind on that - called Factory-Pro and ordered 3 sets of them. I will report later to start yet another endless "prove it" thread.)
Twocool,
As adidas stated above he was just informing those interested that they were available and seem to have a marked increase in performance.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you said below
Quote from: twocool on September 14, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
Interesting that when you "call" somebody on a fantastic claim...they become defensive and belligerent. (but don't offer anything to the actual discussion)
Many people ARE interested...that is why this topic went to 14 pages.....also Internet has thousands of posts and questions re. Brisk.
Cookie
It went to 14 pages because you HIJACKED the thread and wont stop with your testing talk etc.
If you want to do a test then do a test and stop talking about it on someone elses thread.
Start you own BRISK test thread and stop hijacking this one which started out an an information only thread with one persons view and not anything to do with marketing etc. That way all the people that want to discuss it with you can do so on your thread. :dunno_black:
Again it has nothing to do with arguing? I read this thread because it interested me up until you started with the constant arguing/discussion about testing.
Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
This forum is very difficult to figure out,there are so mamy members that seem to want to pick fights and argue!!.Since I have a GREAT local resource for all my GS questions and problems I think I will just sit back and watch for awhile and decided wether or not to stick around..Over on the OTHER GS forum I have NEVER seen anything like all this negativity !!.Really takes all the fun out of it now doesn't it !!.
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I am not trying to pick a fight at all?? I am just reiterating what you said below?
Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 02:02:44 PM
I must have missed something,I didn't see where anybody was trying to sell these plugs only people saying THEY found some improvement by useing them.I don't really think the OP could give a S$@;" if anybody agrees with him he's posting what HE found when useing these plugs !!.I love Suzuki's always have and always will but I could care less if anybody agrees with me or not !!.
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So when somebody finds something they like be it bike parts,food,something for there house ETC,sit back and say
" thats cool brother,glad you like it "
The world would ( and this forum ) would ne a better place !!
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Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
So when somebody finds something they like be it bike parts,food,something for there house ETC,sit back and say
" thats cool brother,glad you like it "
The world would ( and this forum ) would ne a better place !!
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I have no idea what you are saying here and if its directed at me but if so then you have me pegged so far off its not funny. Please go back and read what I posted.
I am saying that adidasguy/Patrick started this thread as an information thread about his view on the Brisk plugs and I happen to agree with his findings as I have also bought them to use in my bikes and found the same results. I just believe that the testing discussion of Twocool should be taken to his own thread for those that care and I believe Pat would and already has agreed?
Quote from: twocool on September 14, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
Then there is a bit of time required for record keeping..probably 5 parameters, with 5 choices each..
like:
terrible,
fair,
good (average),
great,
fantastic......
words like that are only appropriate for marketing, or psychological profiles. :D
they dont belong in a serious, objective test.
I like turtles!
Phil,
you are right on...........
People are judging this product subjectively.......OK for what it is worth..
I want to take it to the level........
How to you quantify such parameter such as "feel"....?
Cookie
Quote from: Phil B on September 14, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
Quote from: twocool on September 14, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
Then there is a bit of time required for record keeping..probably 5 parameters, with 5 choices each..
like:
terrible,
fair,
good (average),
great,
fantastic......
words like that are only appropriate for marketing, or psychological profiles. :D
they dont belong in a serious, objective test.
All I can say is "rough crowd man"...If you don't toe the party line, watch out....
But really, don't that this crap too seriously!
Cookie
Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
This forum is very difficult to figure out,there are so mamy members that seem to want to pick fights and argue!!.Since I have a GREAT local resource for all my GS questions and problems I think I will just sit back and watch for awhile and decided wether or not to stick around..Over on the OTHER GS forum I have NEVER seen anything like all this negativity !!.Really takes all the fun out of it now doesn't it !!.
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Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 14, 2012, 01:12:34 AM
Looks like the only way to settle this is to get a GS, some normal plugs, iridium plugs, and some brisk plugs, a camera, and a dyno.
For the people that have actually bought and used them, there's nothing to settle.
Quote from: NortwestRider on September 14, 2012, 07:16:59 AM
Not sure what there is to settle here ??.One guy likes his Brisk plugs,ok great he's happy end of story !!!!!!!.
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This.
I'm an auditor.
Whenever I talk to someone at work they ask "Am I being audited?". To which I reply "no, not today. Had this been an actual audit, it would be followed by news and or additional instructions."
Sad that I have to say that just to say hello to someone.
Quote from: jestercinti on September 15, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
I'm an auditor.
Whenever I talk to someone at work they ask "Am I being audited?". To which I reply "no, not today. Had this been an actual audit, it would be followed by news and or additional instructions."
I would have said, "If this were an actual audit, I would have started by saying 'assume the position'"
If they ask what position, I would have replied 'bend over' :D
Has it ever occured to folks that in a multi-electrode spark plug, the spark will take the path of least resistance? So, given four ground tabs facing one center electrode, only one spark will result, not four.
Long ago, my optimistic nephew told me I would get 10% better mileage in my Ford F-250 if I switched to platinum plugs. I took the bait and installed the plugs. No difference in either "performance" or mileage resulted.
The only physical explanation for Brisk plugs working better IMHO is that the plug protrudes farther into the cylinder and that there is no ground tab to obstruct it from the cylinder's charge.
I just swapped my old NGK plugs for brand new NGKs and noticed no change in performance. Installing a K&N Lunchbox, however, made a huge improvement (because my carbs had Level-3 Dynojetting with the stock airbox which was totally starving my engine of air).
Ned
Alright, so I took delivery of my Brisk plugs and finally got a chance to install them.....
2001 GS 500, carbs rejetted, stock everything else, 21,000 miles, daily commuter (55 mile round trip 5 days a week 75% highway at 60-80 mph), I get anywhere from 45-51 MPG with 48 MPG being the average for argument sake.
I put them in today after filling the tank to get a good base to start from. Mind you, my NGK plugs had about 6,000 miles on them. My bike does not require (or seem to like it LOL) any choke when starting cold. I usually give it a tad bit of gas and she fires right up....I hold the throttle to 2000-3000 rpms for a minute or so to warm it up, then it will barley idle at around 1000 rpm's. Usually leaving from work, I get to a the same certain point and she seems to be pretty much warmed up (5 minutes of riding give or take in a city setting).
So after I put them in: She started the same as before, but I will have to agree with the others, she sounds alot smoother. No real difference in that 1st five minute ride to warm it up. After it was warm, I was on the highway and she really did sound alot healthier, the acceleration seemed to be alot smoother, although I really did not notice any increase in hp.........
1st impressions: The bike sounds and runs smoother than before, no noticeable difference in power........I really bought these plugs in hopes of getting better MPG from my dedicated commuter bike, so I will post back up after a few fill-ups to see if I notice any change in fuel economy.....
-My 2 cents :cheers:
Quote from: ned from PA on September 17, 2012, 07:10:08 PM
Has it ever occured to folks that in a multi-electrode spark plug, the spark will take the path of least resistance? So, given four ground tabs facing one center electrode, only one spark will result, not four.
These are a ring fire plug, not 4 ground electrodes.
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mmm yeah .. the photos of the brisk plug in the mopar forum link are of different plug end type.. :dunno_black:
Quote from: Janx101 on September 17, 2012, 09:07:26 PM
mmm yeah .. the photos of the brisk plug in the mopar forum link are of different plug end type.. :dunno_black:
Brisk makes many different types of plugs.
;) yeah amazin innit!? .. them folks at brisk figured out that one plug could not possibly fit everything .. and that different temps/lengths/tips/compositions would be required ... i bet they even tested them in different vehicles and conditions and maybe even with the race teams (cos they are called Brisk Racing Plugs afterall).. and have data sheets for the searching of! ... ;)
they still aint got back to me on suitable plugs for my turbo diesel 4wd though .. i think they holdin' out on me! :D
oooooer.... i just had a awesome thought .. i'm gonna note down the plug designation for my lawnmower! .. wonder if they can do that! .. Bestest Mower EVER!! ... and for no other reason but "cos i f&^^$& CAN!) :woohoo:
bahahahahha
Quote from: Janx101 on September 17, 2012, 11:45:50 PM
oooooer.... i just had a awesome thought .. i'm gonna note down the plug designation for my lawnmower! .. wonder if they can do that! .. Bestest Mower EVER!! ... and for no other reason but "cos i f&^^$& CAN!) :woohoo:
bahahahahha
LMFAO
Throw a splash of 80/20 methanol nitromethane to give it some top end pop. Same mix does wonders de carbonising the GS motor too
Quote from: craigs449 on September 17, 2012, 08:06:47 PM
Alright, so I took delivery of my Brisk plugs and finally got a chance to install them.....
2001 GS 500, carbs rejetted, stock everything else, 21,000 miles, daily commuter (55 mile round trip 5 days a week 75% highway at 60-80 mph), I get anywhere from 45-51 MPG with 48 MPG being the average for argument sake.
I put them in today after filling the tank to get a good base to start from. Mind you, my NGK plugs had about 6,000 miles on them. My bike does not require (or seem to like it LOL) any choke when starting cold. I usually give it a tad bit of gas and she fires right up....I hold the throttle to 2000-3000 rpms for a minute or so to warm it up, then it will barley idle at around 1000 rpm's. Usually leaving from work, I get to a the same certain point and she seems to be pretty much warmed up (5 minutes of riding give or take in a city setting).
So after I put them in: She started the same as before, but I will have to agree with the others, she sounds alot smoother. No real difference in that 1st five minute ride to warm it up. After it was warm, I was on the highway and she really did sound alot healthier, the acceleration seemed to be alot smoother, although I really did not notice any increase in hp.........
1st impressions: The bike sounds and runs smoother than before, no noticeable difference in power........I really bought these plugs in hopes of getting better MPG from my dedicated commuter bike, so I will post back up after a few fill-ups to see if I notice any change in fuel economy.....
-My 2 cents :cheers:
UPDATE:
I have had the chance to refill 3 times since installing these Brisk Plugs. 1st fill up was not that accurate because one day that I rode to work it was near tornado winds and the bike clearly struggled to get me/us through the wind to get me to work........44.8 MPG, 2nd fillup was an accurate depiction of how I ride each and every day......48.9 MPG, 3rd fillup was accurate again and I got 49.1 MPG......
My conclusion, the bike seems to run a bit better, the fuel economy went up about 1 mpg, no other differences.......My 2 cents
45 is pretty low mileage to begin with. I'd consider looking at why in general it is so low.
Nothing but short rides and all gas is wasted warming up the bike?
Warming up far longer than necessary?
Nothing but stop & go driving so all gas wasted at stop lights?
Compression problems?
Look at your plugs: running too rich? One cylinder not working well?
Valve adjustment needed?
Even with nothing but short rides (10 blocks all the time) I get 50+ mpg easily.
Good test is ong highway trips. I've gone up about 5%. From 60-65 now at nearly 70 mpg.
Quote from: adidasguy on September 30, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
45 is pretty low mileage to begin with. I'd consider looking at why in general it is so low.
Nothing but short rides and all gas is wasted warming up the bike?
Warming up far longer than necessary?
Nothing but stop & go driving so all gas wasted at stop lights?
Compression problems?
Look at your plugs: running too rich? One cylinder not working well?
Valve adjustment needed?
Even with nothing but short rides (10 blocks all the time) I get 50+ mpg easily.
Good test is ong highway trips. I've gone up about 5%. From 60-65 now at nearly 70 mpg.
Thanks for the advice, I have thought that the mileage was low and have been meaning to turn the fuel screws in a half turn to see if that boosts fuel economy.....although, I did not want to make any changes to get a fair assessment of these new plugs. My commute is as follows: start bike up (stored in garage) with no choke and a little throttle....hold throttle to 3,000 rpms for about a minute, then ride off to work..........my commute is about 90% highway at speeds of 65-85 mph, the rest is a bit of stop and go city/neighborhood traffic....
When I swapped plugs, the old ones (that had 6,000 miles on them) were a nice brown color with no signs of a lean or rich condition. I will try turning the screws in 1/2 turn and see if that helps.....I would love to get 60 mpg's!
Quote from: craigs449 on September 30, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on September 30, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
45 is pretty low mileage to begin with. I'd consider looking at why in general it is so low.
Nothing but short rides and all gas is wasted warming up the bike?
Warming up far longer than necessary?
Nothing but stop & go driving so all gas wasted at stop lights?
Compression problems?
Look at your plugs: running too rich? One cylinder not working well?
Valve adjustment needed?
Even with nothing but short rides (10 blocks all the time) I get 50+ mpg easily.
Good test is ong highway trips. I've gone up about 5%. From 60-65 now at nearly 70 mpg.
Thanks for the advice, I have thought that the mileage was low and have been meaning to turn the fuel screws in a half turn to see if that boosts fuel economy.....although, I did not want to make any changes to get a fair assessment of these new plugs. My commute is as follows: start bike up (stored in garage) with no choke and a little throttle....hold throttle to 3,000 rpms for about a minute, then ride off to work..........my commute is about 90% highway at speeds of 65-85 mph, the rest is a bit of stop and go city/neighborhood traffic....
When I swapped plugs, the old ones (that had 6,000 miles on them) were a nice brown color with no signs of a lean or rich condition. I will try turning the screws in 1/2 turn and see if that helps.....I would love to get 60 mpg's!
Do what adidasguy said. I had your same problem, and it was valves, tire pressure, and use of throttle.
Quote from: jestercinti on September 30, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: craigs449 on September 30, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on September 30, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
45 is pretty low mileage to begin with. I'd consider looking at why in general it is so low.
Nothing but short rides and all gas is wasted warming up the bike?
Warming up far longer than necessary?
Nothing but stop & go driving so all gas wasted at stop lights?
Compression problems?
Look at your plugs: running too rich? One cylinder not working well?
Valve adjustment needed?
Even with nothing but short rides (10 blocks all the time) I get 50+ mpg easily.
Good test is ong highway trips. I've gone up about 5%. From 60-65 now at nearly 70 mpg.
Thanks for the advice, I have thought that the mileage was low and have been meaning to turn the fuel screws in a half turn to see if that boosts fuel economy.....although, I did not want to make any changes to get a fair assessment of these new plugs. My commute is as follows: start bike up (stored in garage) with no choke and a little throttle....hold throttle to 3,000 rpms for about a minute, then ride off to work..........my commute is about 90% highway at speeds of 65-85 mph, the rest is a bit of stop and go city/neighborhood traffic....
When I swapped plugs, the old ones (that had 6,000 miles on them) were a nice brown color with no signs of a lean or rich condition. I will try turning the screws in 1/2 turn and see if that helps.....I would love to get 60 mpg's!
Do what adidasguy said. I had your same problem, and it was valves, tire pressure, and use of throttle.
Valves were adjusted 6,500 miles ago and she cold starts without issue every time. Tire pressure is set at 35 psi front and rear...........I ride the piss out of this bike just like all my other bikes.
I got 43 mpg on my last fill up with mostly riding around town (stop signs and stop lights). I have 125 mains/40 pilots/1 washer and a 15 tooth front sprocket. I've measured compression at 135 on both sides, so I'm guessing my slightly low compression is what is causing lower mileage. I'm not really worried about it though, since the bike runs reliably good.
Quote from: bombsquad83 on October 01, 2012, 07:15:38 AM
I got 43 mpg on my last fill up with mostly riding around town (stop signs and stop lights). I have 125 mains/40 pilots/1 washer and a 15 tooth front sprocket. I've measured compression at 135 on both sides, so I'm guessing my slightly low compression is what is causing lower mileage. I'm not really worried about it though, since the bike runs reliably good.
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I tried these out and all I got was trouble starting when cold. I had two mornings when the bike wouldn't start at all and force me to charge the battery after a bunch of failed starts.
It would fire and then die a second later.
When it did work I found that I have to give it a bit of throttle when starting (though that was no enough on those two occasions).
At first I thought it's the battery, but since replacing the plugs with my old NKG ones, the bike has been starting just fine every morning regardless of temperatures (needs choke of course).
It may be a symptom of something else being wrong, but caused me headaches nonetheless. :(
Problem..."low mileage"
Cause: cruising at 85 MPH....
To cruise that fast, you need to make HP...Hp uses fuel...no way around it.
Solution: The solution is NOT to be found in spark plugs...the solution is to cruise at a slower speed...since drag is the square of the speed....the faster you go, the worse the fuel mileage...
If you want to go fast AND get better mileage...then you have to reduce drag....
Put on some lower handlebars, clubmans or similar...and ride leaning forward with you head and body low....less frontal area, more "streamlined"...you will get slightly better mileage...
Or just don't worry about it....45 MPG is pretty good at 85 MPH!!!
BTW..anyone interested in the whole gas mileage thing, should go to Fuelly website and follow the whole bunch of GS 500 listed there.......You will see a huge range of MPG from bike to bike, rider to rider, and even from one fill up to the next........many, many factors in gas mileage...driving style. is #1
A change of one MPG is therefore meaningless........when the same bike and rider often gets a difference of 10 or 20 MPG from ride to ride, fill up to fill up...
Finally, to continue stirring the pot......The reports are starting to come in on the Brisk plugs. Not really "farkling", are they?.....more to the "unbelievable"....
Cookie
Quote from: craigs449 on September 30, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
Quote from: adidasguy on September 30, 2012, 10:10:11 AM
45 is pretty low mileage to begin with. I'd consider looking at why in general it is so low.
Nothing but short rides and all gas is wasted warming up the bike?
Warming up far longer than necessary?
Nothing but stop & go driving so all gas wasted at stop lights?
Compression problems?
Look at your plugs: running too rich? One cylinder not working well?
Valve adjustment needed?
Even with nothing but short rides (10 blocks all the time) I get 50+ mpg easily.
Good test is ong highway trips. I've gone up about 5%. From 60-65 now at nearly 70 mpg.
Thanks for the advice, I have thought that the mileage was low and have been meaning to turn the fuel screws in a half turn to see if that boosts fuel economy.....although, I did not want to make any changes to get a fair assessment of these new plugs. My commute is as follows: start bike up (stored in garage) with no choke and a little throttle....hold throttle to 3,000 rpms for about a minute, then ride off to work..........my commute is about 90% highway at speeds of 65-85 mph, the rest is a bit of stop and go city/neighborhood traffic....
When I swapped plugs, the old ones (that had 6,000 miles on them) were a nice brown color with no signs of a lean or rich condition. I will try turning the screws in 1/2 turn and see if that helps.....I would love to get 60 mpg's!
Quote from: craigs449 on September 30, 2012, 08:04:37 PM
Valves were adjusted 6,500 miles ago and she cold starts without issue every time. Tire pressure is set at 35 psi front and rear...........I ride the piss out of this bike just like all my other bikes.
According to the Wiki, you may need to check valves again: http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Maintenance.MaintenanceSchedule
Valves need inspected at the initial 600 miles, and every 3500 or 4000 miles thereafter.
If you have already done this, then never mind.
Hello
I bit the bullet after the truly persuasive post by Adidasguy, and bought these spark plugs. Not that I was having any issues with my bike, other than having to keep the choke on for about 5 minutes after starting it.
I kept them for about two months, but I finally took them out last night.
Ever since I installed them, I've had nothing but hard starts. 3 to 5 seconds cranks. Yesterday morning it actually drained my battery. Did the same in the afternoon, and I had to push-start it (not fun!).
Fuel mileage did improve, but not more than 10%, and power change was imperceptible.
My bike has stock air filter and 20/60/130 jets.
My conclusion is these plugs are far, far from being worth all that money. As soon as I replaced them with my "regular" plugs, the bike seemed to really enjoy being started. Same this morning. It was cold(ish) (50F), but the engine got going pretty much immediately after I pressed the switch.
Mauricio
Two things come to mind:
1. Bad connection. The little cap has to be unscrewed to expose the threads which our spark plug cap slips on.
2. Not fully installed. Our regular plugs use an 18mm wrench. The Brisk plugs use a 16mm wrench. Attempting to install them with a 18mm wrench and you will not get them tightened down properly.
Either of the above would result in them not being properly installed and hence poor performance.
It is interesting when a couple say spark plugs have no effect on performance, power or mileage.
While we have read of 2 people with the same problem, I believe it is more if an installation mistake. The top cap must be unscrewed. Then the Brisk use a 16mm wrench rather than 18mm. If you don't have a 16mm you won't get them correctly installed. (Most wrench sets seem to omit 16 and 18mm sizes). These couple of people didn't have a poorer running bike - they basically had a dead bike. That points to installation issues as mentioned.
Many of those that tout spark plugs make no difference do seem to feel iridium plugs are better. They also have a preference of what brand to use. That invalidates any argument of spark plugs not making any difference.
Then we have the issue of gapping. Our stock plugs are pre-gapped. Someone asked recently in some other thread about gapping plugs. The gap makes a difference in the spark. If properly gapping a plug is important, then it means the length, duration and power of the spark are important.
Brisk plugs have a different shape to the spark. Therefore, if gap is important then a different, more open and powerful spark should be better.
Except for maybe 2 people, all with the Brisk plugs have found some improvement and probably more than half of us have been very happy with the change in performance. I seem to think the two significant changes are smoother running and no lag when going WOT (smooth acceleration without that momentary drop in power)
For those that say plugs make no difference I ask:
1. What brand and type of plug do you use and why?
2. If using iridium plugs, why waste your money on them when you say the plug makes do difference?
3. Why aren't you using the cheapest, crappiest plug you can find to save a few dollars since plugs make no difference?
4.Why are there high performance racing plugs? Wouldn't racers be using the cheapest plugs around since plugs make no difference?
5. Have you actually compared the Brisk plugs to what you use now?
6. If 2 people had problems and they were correctly installed, then again that invalidates the argument that plugs make no difference.
7. If plugs make no difference, why do we have choices? Why are there different types on the market from stock, iridium, platinum, multi-spark and ring fire? Wouldn't the market dictate only the cheapest plug would be bought if plugs make no difference?
8. Some plugs ARE better and better made: which is a reason the FAA has to certify a plug before it can be used in aircraft.
It is OK since it is the internet to be argumentative about Brisk plugs. It is only natural to put down something you have not tried. But look at all your reasons why you do not use the cheapest plugs around then reassess the discussion on Brisk high performance plugs.
Brisk does have dyno runs to back up their claims. Most of us using them fully agree with their claims of better power, performance and mileage. Some agree with part.
(To the two who couldn't get them working: please look again at how you installed them.)
I am no expert, but will offer my thoughts. I have used stock, iridium and the brisk, and the iridium are my preference. While I can start the brisk with no choke, i find I can ride the bike faster with a little choke and the iridium plugs. The bike won't start with choke with the brisk, so I have to give a little gas and then put the choke on so it doesn't die. I will admit, the bike sounds nicer with the brisk and seems to perform better while warm, but most of my rides are very short so start up time is important.
Quote from: adidasguy on October 12, 2012, 02:44:07 PM
While we have read of 2 people with the same problem, I believe it is more if an installation mistake. The top cap must be unscrewed. Then the Brisk use a 16mm wrench rather than 18mm. (...). These couple of people didn't have a poorer running bike - they basically had a dead bike. That points to installation issues as mentioned.
Many of those that tout spark plugs make no difference do seem to feel iridium plugs are better. They also have a preference of what brand to use. That invalidates any argument of spark plugs not making any difference.
(...)
It is OK since it is the internet to be argumentative about Brisk plugs. It is only natural to put down something you have not tried. But look at all your reasons why you do not use the cheapest plugs around then reassess the discussion on Brisk high performance plugs.
(To the two who couldn't get them working: please look again at how you installed them.)
Adidasguy:
1. I did unscrew the caps before installation.
2. I did use the right socket to install, and made sure that they were seated properly.
3. I didn't have a dead bike right off the bat. In fact, it worked for about two months, only with decidedly longer start times, about 2 to 3 seconds of cranking, I'd say. This was eating away the battery charge in the mornings (specially cold ones)
4. I'm not really "touting" anything. I'm simply sharing my own experience with the "Farkling unbelievable spark plugs!"
5. I never indicated any preference for Iridium, or any specific brand of spark plugs. While I don't feel I was arguing anything, I don't see how my story is "invalid".
6. I would say that while there are some posts that are clearly argumentative, I don't see how mine was. I just followed a recommendation done by one of the most prominent members of this forum. It didn't work for me. I'm sharing that story. You're clearly passionate about these plugs. Cool! I'm happy that they work for you. Seriously!
7. Lastly, I did acknowledge some gains in mpg and very little in power. In my opinion, too little to justify the price and the lag at start/need to gas it a little, etc.
Didn't like them. Pulled them out. I'm happy again! I, based on my experience, would not recommend these plugs to anyone.
Mauricio
Thank you for clarifying that. The original brief mention of what was going on seemed like you just put them in.
What did they look like? Were they getting fouled? Indications of running lean or rich?
Let's see what happens with the other plugs in. I wonder if there is something that is fouling the plugs. We'll again see in a few months of riding?
Can you post a picture of them so we can see if they were getting fouled and see how your bike was running? Something happening over a couple months of degrading performance might be plug fouling with time.
11 pages, and only one independant dyno run posted.
then, its discredited or replaced with "feel" and "impressions".
that's all I needed to know the $3 each plugs were right for me.
suckers. born. every. minute.
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Brisk plugs are not new, they have been around for years and always make for interesting topics in the many bike forums I visit. Taking every comment I can remember into consideration I would say 50% of users swear by them and the other 50% swear at them!
Until I see the real experts ie the mainstream manufactures setting up their products specifically for, then fitting and reccomending Brisks I will Always remain sceptical and before some one suggests it the answer is no, I wont be bothering to buy and fit a set just to satisfy curiosity. I simply cant be bothered on the basis I know for a fact that even if they do live up to the hype they wont improve my enjoyment of motorcycling by one iota. However I wont dismiss them and if buying and using them is another one of those things that makes your little world even more warm and fuzzy and/or makes your bike even more special then go for it.
What is amusing though is that is seems we have reached a stage in the argument where the Brisk supporters are now trying to convince others that they dont actually have problems with them when fitted when they obviously do........and are citing otherl issues or poor fitting techniques for these problems.
Quote from: sledge on October 13, 2012, 01:28:57 AM
What is amusing though is that is seems we have reached a stage in the argument where the Brisk supporters are now trying to convince others that they dont actually have problems with them when fitted when they obviously do........and are citing otherl issues or poor fitting techniques for these problems.
if we're talking cellphones, and apple in particular, it would be "the reality distortion field" the late jobs was famous for.
since its only a spark plug, whose one and only purpose is to ignite fuel air mixtures, I dunno. I guess its too easy to point to the dyno chart and shrug instead of accept that part in the Honda, suzuki, and other owners manuals:
"using more expensive parts, fuels or oils only increases the costs of ownership."
I'd just like to chime in with a quick thought/question. I'm fairly skeptical of the spark plugs, but I love me some hard data, which seems to be lacking here.
Anyways I was thinking about it, and the larger sparking surfaces WILL cause the 'electrodes' to run cooler, potentially creating fouling issues. Also, I imagine that a larger spark, like is described in this thread, will cause more reliable ignition in lean situations. I'm thinking fuel/air ratio needs experimentation with these plugs. Stoichiometry only gives us a reasonable starting point.
The ideal test would be someone with access to a dyno testing the brisk plugs in a stock bike, then testing the same plugs in the same bike with a little bit larger jets. Something could also be done with audio analysis of the exhaust to find the smoothness of the idle or warmup period.
Next step down would be someone modifying their jetting to see how it changes how the bike runs with brisk plugs. e.x., adidasguy going up a few sizes, or someone with a rejetted bike going back to stock (leaner) and comparing the two.
Easiest and most likely to happen though, a quick poll to look for a pattern:
For those who notice a significant improvement from the plugs, are you running stock/lean jetting?
And for those who do not notice a difference, or notice a negative impact from the plugs, are you running modified jetting?
I appreciate Badot's attempt to bring this conversation back to an experimental and scientific basis as opposed to accusations. I do know that adidasguy typically runs with the stock jets, right? So your hypothesis might be on to something.
This plug looks very interesting but the cost has me a bit hesitant. Will searching for other info i ran across the Pulstar plug. Anybody every use these? These could be an alternative to the more expensive Brisk but have the same results...???
Certified testing shows that Pulstar® pulse plugs deliver these consumer benefits:
•Greater engine torque – up to 9%
•Greater horsepower – up to 7%
•Quicker throttle response
•Better fuel economy – up to 10%
•Lower emissions – across the board reductions
•Smoother operation
•Enhanced driving experience
•Easier starting
•Improved towing capacity
Taken from their website.
The Pulstar plug is different from Brisk in that Pulstart's claim to fame is an internal capacitor. Brisk's claim to fame is the lack of the grounding electrode... Pulstar reviews are similar to Brisk, though, in that they all seem to show mixed results, where some parameters benefit all around, some benefit only one parameter, or one parameter suffers, or paramaters suffer all around...
- Bboy
Well i guess it all comes down to money and what people are willing to spend on a particular item. As cost per unit/cost per mile. Thats how i see it. Worth ~$18 hmmm...i may try the Pulstar since im due for plugs anyway. Dyno results and before and after mpg results on various gs500s with "performance" plugs would ultimalty be the best thing.
I finally tried these plugs. I must say, I did notice a small improvement in the bikes ability to start in the morning which makes me happy. That alone is almost worth it.
Regarding performance, I haven't noticed much of a difference. Maybe a slightly quicker throttle response....maybe. The bike does sound a little better at idle.
Quote from: Bluesmudge on November 01, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
I finally tried these plugs. I must say, I did notice a small improvement in the bikes ability to start in the morning which makes me happy. That alone is almost worth it.
Regarding performance, I haven't noticed much of a difference. Maybe a slightly quicker throttle response....maybe. The bike does sound a little better at idle.
Does it start better when it is really cold (sub-40*)? Just curious to see if anyone has tried that. My bike is a PITA below 40 (Duh...air cooled and really cold) with Iridiums...have to choke the hell out of it. I read somewhere that gas atomization occurs at 45* or so.
There I go getting all technical again... :technical:
Well, it hasn't been much below 50 degrees Fahrenheit yet in the Seattle area, I'll let you know once the temperature drops.
If I give the bike some throttle for 5-10 seconds seconds, I don't need choke at 50 degrees. Or I give it full choke, start it up, put on my helmet and gloves and then take the choke off and ride.
This was only a small improvement from what it was. You will see the biggest improvement in cold starting by setting your exhaust valve clearances a little loser than Suzuki spec. Before my last valve check it probably took the bike 10 minutes of riding before it would idle with no choke in cold weather-- I'm never going to let it get that bad again.
Valves just adjusted, and mine were bad too. Had to go down 2 sizes.
Thanks for the info.
bump
To ask Adidasguy, and anyone else that has/is using them, if he is still using these plugs, and what his thoughts are. I'd like to know if there's an increase in workload to the battery, to the point that it possibly drains them faster.
Been using them in all bikes. All OK. They are a little sensitive to low voltage since they have 25% higher resistance than NGK's.
I have no reason to take them out.
No extra drain on battery.
I'm still using them and still working perfectly on my Red GS. Done many many miles since install and have yet to remove them for a look as I have had no reason too, :thumb:
I took them out a while ago, since I had a dying battery and found that the Iridium ones did better on start up...But since I got my Shorai LiFe battery and did a valve job and fixed my jetting, I think I'll pop them back in! Thanks for the reminder!
I know it's an old thread and that unfortunately adidasguy won't answer...
But i bought a couple of these spark plugs some weeks ago and i had the same problems someone had.
I had some 22.5 pilot jets with just a lunchbox and the bike was too rich. I changed them for some 20, raised the needles a bit and put these new spark plugs.
Before the bike could start with no choke (but it would warm up slower) at the first hit of the button.
With the rejetting and the brisk spark plugs it takes some seconds to start.
Sincerely i can't understand how some people have a lot of benefits and for others they simply don't work properly.
I used a 16mm specific for spark plugs.
One thing i noticed is that when i opened the box there was a bit of black dirt on the end where the cap goes, on both the spark plugs.
Today i tried using some wd40 in the caps and it seemed to work a bit better but still not as good as some 12years "oem" plugs.
What should i do?
Thanks
Reading the first post in this thread, sounds like a description of how my GS runs anyway. It has about 20k kms on it all standard jets and filters, and it too starts without choke and idles at 1100 to start then moves up to 1300 when warm, without any variation in the rhythm or frequency of firing. Just sayin'.
I made an offer on ebay so if it's accepted we'll see how they stack-up against Iridium.....if not that good on the GS then my Yamaha TDM 900 takes the same plugs.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-BRISK-BR12ZC-DCPR8E-N-DP8EA-9-DPR8EA-DUCATI-MONSTER-600-M600-600SS-620-695-/161039057137?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
Update....Best offer was accepted so I'll let ppl know later what i think.
Received and Tested on 2013 GS500E;Conclusion:
Nice enough product,however i didn't notice ANY difference between the Brisk and NGK Iridium(in any category).......$ for $ the Iridium is better value.
Let's see how long they last.
Let's clear up the common misconception about Iridium plugs. Many people assume that because they are more expensive that they perform better. Wrong.
They were designed for applications where access for plug changing was difficult (such as the rear bank of V6 transverse engines). The Iridiums last longer, and perform better at high milages where normal plugs would have deteriorated. Brisk sound pretty good though.
Quote from: Joolstacho on March 19, 2016, 04:06:45 PM
Let's clear up the common misconception about Iridium plugs. Many people assume that because they are more expensive that they perform better. Wrong.
They were designed for applications where access for plug changing was difficult (such as the rear bank of V6 transverse engines). The Iridiums last longer, and perform better at high milages where normal plugs would have deteriorated. Brisk sound pretty good though.
Not entirely true...Less voltage is required for a smaller center electrode and results in better ignitability. The smaller the electrode, the more centralized the electrical potential is around the electrode tip. The required voltage can be reduced because the level of the electric field is made stronger and local insulation (air gap and electrode surface oxidation) breaks down more easily. The bottom line is that it takes approximately 5,000 volts less to fire an Iridium spark plug versus a conventional platinum spark plug.
Quote from: Joolstacho on March 19, 2016, 04:06:45 PM
Let's clear up the common misconception about Iridium plugs. Many people assume that because they are more expensive that they perform better. Wrong.
They were designed for applications where access for plug changing was difficult (such as the rear bank of V6 transverse engines). The Iridiums last longer, and perform better at high milages where normal plugs would have deteriorated. Brisk sound pretty good though.
My Iridiums were originally bought for my Yamaha TDM900 cos it takes about 1.25 hrs to change plugs,and i don't like repeating certain processes unnecessarily.
The GS also takes the same plugs so i got a good bulk deal when purchasing.
IF the Brisk last longer(or i see some other advantage) and it's cost effective to continue i'll be doing that.
I've used iridium in apps where access was a hassle. The GS has easy access. I'll use stock especially if they're cheaper.
Spark plugs combine the technology of a lightning rod and a toilet. We can design them by hand or using the latest tech, but ultimately they're a conductor with a gap in porcelain. The last of the exciting developments took place decades ago. I suspect that by the time a true leap forward occurs again, we will have long abandoned the internal combustion engine entirely anyway.
I'd rate spark plug marketing hype as "meh" on the fun scale.
LOL...funny! and well stated...
Plenty of other more important stuff to be worried about than spark plugs.
Cookie
Quote from: Rallyfan on March 19, 2016, 09:49:35 PM
I've used iridium in apps where access was a hassle. The GS has easy access. I'll use stock especially if they're cheaper.
Spark plugs combine the technology of a lightning rod and a toilet. We can design them by hand or using the latest tech, but ultimately they're a conductor with a gap in porcelain. The last of the exciting developments took place decades ago. I suspect that by the time a true leap forward occurs again, we will have long abandoned the internal combustion engine entirely anyway.
I'd rate spark plug marketing hype as "meh" on the fun scale.
I tried again.
The last time it would turn on only after 4-6 seconds and a big backfire. Rubbish.
I remember that 1 month after trying these spark plugs the first time (3-4 months ago), my battery died. There was a lot of oxyde on the positive pole, when i tried to unscrew the bolt, the metal thing twisted and snapped. I then bought a new battery
When the spark plugs came in they were dirty on the side where the cap goes.
Yesterday i cleaned them until they were shining and let them dry.
Today i tried them.
I can't add anything to the words of Adidasguy. They're just awesome and i can only confirm what he and other said. Turned on with no choke idleing steady at 1200rpms. With the iridium i had it would turn on too, but with a really irregular idle.
Turning the choke to 1 half the engine spins up to 4k rpms, i haven't tried more since it's cold and suzuki says to keep the engine between 2 and 3k.
This afternoon i'll try to ride with them but i'm sure i'll have the same feelings other people had, and if so i won't add anything. Otherwise i'll let you know!
Sorry to revive an old and very beat-upon thread...
I was reading with interest and some amusement the different results people got. Some swear they're a miracle product, while other actually had trouble with them. Any scientific reason that could possibly explain this?
Let's say for sake of argument the Brisk plug do deliver a superior spark that results in better combustion. Is there a possible scenario where this is good for some bikes and not for others?
For instance, if you run lean then a big combustion is good. But if running too rich this could overwhelm things?
Or is a better spark always better regardless, notwithstanding engine longetivity etc???
I'm happy to play in an old thread.
The Iridium NGK plugs (DPR8EIX-9) in my 2007 GS500 work like a treat. There is no science behind this statement just experience. I replaced old standard plugs with new Iridium one. My guess is that any new plug would out perform any old plug. However, the Iridium plugs did make a significant and long term difference to the performance of the bike - smoother acceleration, more consistent idle. I'm on my second set now. I replaced the first set 'early' after only 22000 ks of use because I was heading of on a long ride.
The bike runs a little lean due, I think, to the drop in K&N air filter (yes, I'm running the restricter) and it returns ridiculously good fuel economy (3.7 L / 100 K average over 35000 ks). Not all, or much of this, can be attributed to the plugs but I really feel that they help.
Now I've read in this thread people talking about their bikes starting from cold with no choke as if this is a desirable thing. My limited understanding of combustion suggests that a bike with carburetors should required choke to start, otherwise it is running too rich. The role of the choke is to limit air flow thereby increasing the fuel / air ratio, in effect, making a richer mixture for the cold start. A bike with fuel injection, particularly if it's controlled by a decent engine management system chip, will start from cold because the EMS makes the fuel / air ratio richer. Any plug providing a good spark will start the engine. An Iridium plug simply makes a more consistent spark from less voltage producing better flame propagation because the electrode is smaller.
Anyway, they work for me and I really like the longer service interval.