The supposedly new CBR500, a 500cc, twin, 45 hp, liquid cooled, faired sports motorcycle, built in Thailand...who's going to trade the GS500?!
(http://s3.visordown.com/uploads/images/original/50703.jpg)
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/spotted-honda-cbr500-honda-cb500/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/spotted-honda-cbr500-honda-cb500/)
Looks ok but I wont be trading my GS's for one :dunno_black:
I'm more excited about the cbr250 and the ninja 300.
suzuki just might follow with a small cc bike if those sell well here in the states. ill consider one of the small cc bikes when they're proven by time... but I definitely wouldn't trade a gs in on one, or any paid for bike.
its a first gen anyway. early adopters pay a hefty fee.
Needs to be naked-er.
And have a twin disc FE.
And be FI.
And be aluminum framed.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on October 16, 2012, 06:45:02 AM
Needs to be naked-er.
And have a twin disc FE.
And be FI.
And be aluminum framed.
Cool.
Buddha.
The new CB500 may satisfy you nudity wishes...
(http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/091212-2013-honda-cb500-317x500.jpg)
Although there isn't a twin disc FE, it might be to keep cost down, just like being made in Thailand...and yes, 180Kg of dry weight including the aluminium frame.
And almost certain to be FI, at least in Europe. (Is there anyone making carbs nowdays?!)...
Now, 470cc and 45HP, it must achieve very good fuel economy (better than the gs500?!) and keep RPMs down on Freeway, doesn't it?
Anyway, the presentation is expected to be during November at some fancy show in Italy.
Quote from: piresito on October 16, 2012, 08:35:53 AM
Quote from: The Buddha on October 16, 2012, 06:45:02 AM
Needs to be naked-er.
And have a twin disc FE.
And be FI.
And be aluminum framed.
Cool.
Buddha.
The new CB500 may satisfy you nudity wishes...
(http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/091212-2013-honda-cb500-317x500.jpg)
Although there isn't a twin disc FE, it might be to keep cost down, just like being made in Thailand...and yes, 180Kg of dry weight including the aluminium frame.
And almost certain to be FI, at least in Europe. (Is there anyone making carbs nowdays?!)...
Now, 470cc and 45HP, it must achieve very good fuel economy (better than the gs500?!) and keep RPMs down on Freeway, doesn't it?
Anyway, the presentation is expected to be during November at some fancy show in Italy.
ohhhhh myyyyy, looks like standard ergos and small engine.... good fuel economy.... nekkid... it will se like hotcakes in Europe.... hopefully catch on here too.
great Gymkhana bike, no doubt. I'm looking for a ninja 250 for just that. ;-)
Why will no one make a lightweight 400? Or a 350?
Looks sweet, but I think my next bike will be an SV650 or one of the I4 nakeds (Z1000 or CB1000R?).
I'm interested but skeptical, gonna wait to see some real world mpg figures, gas tank size, actual engine specs, and then MAYBE pick up a used one a year or two later, until then I'm satisfied with the GS. Still, it makes me excited to see actual developments for decent economy bikes that most write off as "beginner" bikes.
Oh yea, needs to be more parallel-ey twin like.
Cool.
Buddha.
partial to naked twins myself. hadnt had a gs in several years now. BUT am also partial to the gs. having owned 4. anyhoo if i were in a position to buy that bike, id wait and grab it used. let someone else take the depreciation hit. or buy a wrecked one and repair. ( as i did with my first 2 gs'
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on October 16, 2012, 08:02:38 PM
partial to naked twins myself.
I like naked twins too :icon_lol:
Saw this on my mechanics Facebook page, shame well lose the cb400 which is a quite good looking bike IMO. As long as it doesn't fall into the inbetween catagory like the nc700. Ill go for a test ride when it comes out even the new ninja 300.
That looks pretty sweet. I wonder what the price would. I'm on the fence.
(http://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/uploads/Honda-CBR500-Sports-Bike.jpg)
As long as they don't get rid of their good selling CB400. Cause soon there will be no smaller capacity retro looking bikes left.
Looks like it's got the goods :thumb:, but how can it make 45hp when the NC700 only makes 47 ?
Not interested, If I buy another bike it will be a 2006+ GSXR 750
Quote from: Higgins13 on October 18, 2012, 09:16:06 AM
Not interested, If I buy another bike it will be a 2006+ GSXR 750
That's another thread in itself.
People who would be interested in this are most likely commuters. I'm looking for a light, nimble good looking faired daily commuter bike and since it's below 600cc insurance would be cheap. It probably will also be EFI/FI.
If I wanted speed then yes my other 600 would do.
?
Knowing Honda this we will be lucky is this thing comes to US AND is priced competitively for the market it should go to. If it runs at the same price as a Ninja 650, it's going to have trouble competing with anyone except Honda loyalists. I agree it looks really nice, and I like the concept. Maybe we are finally getting to the point in this economy where we will have price battles in the budget/learner and economy tourer/commuter segments. I know I'm not interested in a Supersport bike. I hope this is a sign of more good things to come in this segment.
Quote from: bombsquad83 on October 19, 2012, 01:58:40 PM
Knowing Honda this we will be lucky is this thing comes to US AND is priced competitively for the market it should go to. If it runs at the same price as a Ninja 650, it's going to have trouble competing with anyone except Honda loyalists. I agree it looks really nice, and I like the concept. Maybe we are finally getting to the point in this economy where we will have price battles in the budget/learner and economy tourer/commuter segments. I know I'm not interested in a Supersport bike. I hope this is a sign of more good things to come in this segment.
indeed. i am a gs loyalist. BUT id ride this bike :bowdown:
New bikes for every wishes and likes!!
http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/motorcycles/heres-a-low-down-on-hondas-6-new-motorcycles-headed-to-eicma-2012-64664/ (http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/motorcycles/heres-a-low-down-on-hondas-6-new-motorcycles-headed-to-eicma-2012-64664/)
(http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Hondas-new-motorcycle-range-displayed-at-EICMA-2012.jpg)
You old school guys, now can have the CB1000, which pretty decent for an old school... :icon_twisted:
The CBR500 looks are disapointing, even having a preference for faired bikes, I would prefer the CB500F!
Must be some significant power losses with the 270degree crank as Honda uses a traditional 180degree crank in the CB500 series. Too bad, because the 270 sounds so much better.
I dont think the 180 vs 270 is as much a power consideration ... I think a parallel twin with a Vtwin sound may just be confusing to people ...
I dunno, I think a parallel twin with a parallel twin sound is nicer IMHO ... dont need v twin sound, though the xs650 I am building has a 277 crank in the thing.
Cool.
Buddha.
Budget bikes have a tough go, because here their competition is used bikes. So if your budget bike is too expensive, the market for it will be very small.
Quote from: SAFE-T on November 12, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Budget bikes have a tough go, because here their competition is used bikes. So if your budget bike is too expensive, the market for it will be very small.
Indeed.
Still waiting for Super Tenare and KTM Adventures to go down in price.....it will be a long wait.
Quote from: SAFE-T on November 12, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Budget bikes have a tough go, because here their competition is used bikes. So if your budget bike is too expensive, the market for it will be very small.
Well said. I will absolutely buy one of these...after I can get it used for a couple grand.
Quote from: Juan1 on November 23, 2012, 10:06:48 PM
Quote from: SAFE-T on November 12, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Budget bikes have a tough go, because here their competition is used bikes. So if your budget bike is too expensive, the market for it will be very small.
Well said. I will absolutely buy one of these...after I can get it used for a couple grand.
That actually is a useful function the manufacturers are neglecting ... a bike that survives a beginner, and allows itself to be sold after the owner is done with it gets them to the showroom quicker cash in had for that next bike.
It really works well for the brand if they made a non failure prone non maintenance intensive bike they sell to beginners in all categories. The suzuki savage and the new 04+ GS500 are very poor examples, the 89-00 was fine back in the day when carbs and air cooleds were the industry standard ... now they have been saved for the most part by a group of manufacturers that did even worse than these 2.
Cool.
Buddha.
Hello everyone - haven't posted for a good while now...
I've been at the international motorbike expo in Milan last week and I was quite curious to look at these new 500cc Honda models.
I sat on all three of them, the one I liked most was the naked CB/F.
In a word I hope they'll be reasonably priced and if this is the case they might sell well here - fuel and insurance prices are taking their toll on motorbike owners, especially in tough times like these.
Personally if I decided to downgrade and part with my new-to-me I-4 600 one day, the CB/F would be an option no doubt.
Also liked the new 300cc Kawasaki Ninja which looks a lot more grown-up than its 250cc predecessor. Keep 'em coming.
As for the new 250cc Inazuma by Suzuki - well, not for me. Bring back the GS please - thanks.
We need the 89 GS500 with a water cooled FI 4 valve motor and a 15" rear wheel with belt drive. 40hp is plenty, but I want atleast 80mpg. It can be a 400 for all I care. It needs to be a parallel twin in that GS type of frame and be cheap and easy ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on November 26, 2012, 10:23:31 AM
We need the 89 GS500 with a water cooled FI 4 valve motor and a 15" rear wheel with belt drive. 40hp is plenty, but I want atleast 80mpg. It can be a 400 for all I care. It needs to be a parallel twin in that GS type of frame and be cheap and easy ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Just curious, why the belt drive?
And the 15" rear wheel ?
Belt drive is low maintenance and lightweight ~ a good combo for a sporty commuter or flyweight sport tourer
Quote from: SAFE-T on November 26, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
And the 15" rear wheel ?
Have you priced a 15" rear tar ? And a 15 with a 90 profile in say a 150 width is about the same dia as the 130/70 OEM.
That and belt dr will cut down you maintenance costs by 80% and get this, without affecting suzuki's bottom line, cos no one buys the tars and chain from suzuki.
So does a twin disk FE BTW.
Cool.
Buddha.
Figured the 15" size was a price consideration ~ might be an issue for owners who want sporty tires, no ?
Quote from: SAFE-T on November 26, 2012, 01:19:07 PM
Figured the 15" size was a price consideration ~ might be an issue for owners who want sporty tires, no ?
You can get somewhat sticky in 15 ... just not race slick sticky.
However it should retain the current axle and what ever else ... you can swap to the 17 ... or the katana 4.5 17". A beginner doesn't want to swap tars and chains in 3 - 6 months. They should target beginner bikes at ... well beginners. Not club racers ... who by definition are tinkerers.
Cool.
Buddha.