I'm thinking hard about doing this and been searching around for a proper fan that would work. I found this on youtube
Hit me with some ideas guys, I am going to try this if i can find a fan that moves enough air to cool the oil coolor and don't drain battery.
Why? :dunno_white:
The GS500 has been doing a pretty good job of cooling itself since 1989.
Just one of those random idea of why not, cant hurt anything to keep the oil cooler flowing with air :wink:
Edit: I have fairings, so the thought popped in head about sitting at red lights to keep air moving within the fairings.
It would probably be good for really hot ( I mean bitumen melting hot) days but I think you would need the fan before your bike does.
Yeah, figured a cooling fan on a switch would not be a bad option to have. Even more so with all these new freshly blacktopped roads. If anything i can just pull it off the cooler and stick up my jacket :thumb:
Meh...just turn off the engine if you are stuck in traffic on a really hot day.
Make sure your oil is full too.
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Just remember if you do this and only use it on those REALLY hot days your fan is blocking air when its not running.
A fan won't stop air flow, it may restrict it a bit but at speed you'd have more than enough flow through the fan.
really as small as the oil cooler is then putting the plastic housing from the fan plus the fan blades in front of the cooler its not going to make the air go around the cooler as an easier path of travel? the only way its not going to block air is to mount it behind the cooler then your looking at relocating the cooler so you don't melt the fan on the exhaust.
There is a thread on here where someone actually did this. I can't find it.
Twist that's because its a bad idea...lol 24 yrs without a fan because it doesn't need it like you said to start with great fix for a problem that isn't there.
IMO, you could not add a big enough fan to make a difference without killing your electrical system or battery.
hey hey! I said it was an idea, i never said he was a good idea :flipoff: :flipoff:
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
If it ain't broke don't fix it :thumb:
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
Really? Read the first post. The weather was cold and he overheated the engine. I'm pretty sure there are other issues going on here for this to happen. Things that even cooling fans could not help.
Quote from: Twisted on March 24, 2013, 04:13:09 AM
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
Really? Read the first post. The weather was cold and he overheated the engine. I'm pretty sure there are other issues going on here for this to happen. Things that even cooling fans could not help.
Quote from: Twisted on March 24, 2013, 04:13:09 AM
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
Really? Read the first post. The weather was cold and he overheated the engine. I'm pretty sure there are other issues going on here for this to happen. Things that even cooling fans could not help.
The bike in the other post was left on choke and a fast idle (4-5Krpm?) for 15 mins, not ticking over at about 800 rpm....THAT is the difference :thumb:
Quote from: sledge on March 24, 2013, 04:26:05 AM
Quote from: Twisted on March 24, 2013, 04:13:09 AM
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
Really? Read the first post. The weather was cold and he overheated the engine. I'm pretty sure there are other issues going on here for this to happen. Things that even cooling fans could not help.
Quote from: Twisted on March 24, 2013, 04:13:09 AM
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
You can take any air cooled engine, put it in the middle of any desert and let it idle for any amount of time you want, it should be able to dissipate enough heat to survive, air cooled engines are built looser than H2o engines to accommodate the extra heat, this is also why they use oil right off the showroom floor. If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling.....please correct me in this thread :cheers:
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
Really? Read the first post. The weather was cold and he overheated the engine. I'm pretty sure there are other issues going on here for this to happen. Things that even cooling fans could not help.
The bike in the other post was left on choke and a fast idle (4-5Krpm?) for 15 mins, not ticking over at about 800 rpm....THAT is the difference :thumb:
It does not matter the weather conditions nor the RPM at idle and for how long, nor anything else.
The question asked was "If anyone here has had an engine seize while idling"
Possibly the engine has not seized(i hope not) but it was certanly damaged at idle and this indicates u can't automatically assume leaving your bike unattended for an extended period of time is not going to have negative repercussions.
Like i said,the FULL extent is yet to be determined.
That motor didn't seize it was locked up due to a piece of the valve seat wedging between the piston and the combustion chamber. That motor was also left on choke for way to long being cold outside or not. If you look at the pics you can clearly see when the piece jammed into the bottom side of the head
Keep your oil clean, full, and changed often and you will not need a fan.
Just don't sit there and idle forever. You'll be fine.
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
No...try again, that engine was not idling, walking away and leaving the choke on is also a good way to
Wash The Cylinder Walls (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gasoline+washed+cylinder+walls).
Quote from: Suzuki Stevo on March 24, 2013, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: fetor56 on March 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Yet to be determined the full extent of the damage.
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=63577.0
No...try again, that engine was not idling, walking away and leaving the choke on is also a good way to Wash The Cylinder Walls (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gasoline+washed+cylinder+walls).
Leaving the choke on is still at idle,the same way as needing the choke on to idle is idle.
For example: you could say "my bike won't idle without the choke on"
you call 4-5k rpm's an idle? :cookoo:
Quote from: joshr08 on March 24, 2013, 02:46:54 PM
you call 4-5k rpm's an idle? :cookoo:
I call it a crazy technical idle and i'm sure it did not start out that way but that's unfortunately where it ended-up.
Quote from: ojstinson on March 23, 2013, 05:04:57 PM
A fan won't stop air flow, it may restrict it a bit but at speed you'd have more than enough flow through the fan.
Not true, I build muscle cars and have seen more than one guy put on an electric fan and shroud in that made their cars overheat when on the freeway. That is why many newer cars have holes in the shroud with little flaps that open with freeway speed airflow.
If it ain't broke don't fix it..
Quote from: Calpantera on March 24, 2013, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: ojstinson on March 23, 2013, 05:04:57 PM
A fan won't stop air flow, it may restrict it a bit but at speed you'd have more than enough flow through the fan.
Not true, I build muscle cars and have seen more than one guy put on an electric fan and shroud in that made their cars overheat when on the freeway. That is why many newer cars have holes in the shroud with little flaps that open with freeway speed airflow.
If it ain't broke don't fix it..
A friend of mine use to do roundie round at Evergreen Speedway, Monroe Wa, he put a screen (like a screen door) in front of his radiator. That only lasted one race, right away he noticed his car ran hotter during the race. We came to the conclusion that
just being there the screen blocked approximately 1/3 to 1/4th the air flow to the radiator, so it had to go bye bye.
I have to agree with most sentiments here. Turn the bike off if idling on a hot day for an extended time. You'd save yourself a bit of fuel too.
You guy's carried over another topic into this one :tongue2:
Anyhow I don't care about mounting it to the oil cooler, i just found that video and was showing that as a possibility.
I was more thinking mounting it to move heat from within the fairings when stopped (I have the F ). Its not a big deal i might not even do it, but I'm still exploring the option of doing it(if that makes sense.. then again its me and i never make much sense :flipoff: ).
Quote from: wayne242 on March 24, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
I was more thinking mounting it to move heat from within the fairings when stopped (I have the F ). Its not a big deal i might not even do it, but I'm still exploring the option of doing it(if that makes sense.. then again its me and i never make much sense :flipoff: ).
As long as it can be done without interfering with the airflow as designed, but then you may have a big drag on the electrical system..
Quote from: Calpantera on March 24, 2013, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: wayne242 on March 24, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
I was more thinking mounting it to move heat from within the fairings when stopped (I have the F ). Its not a big deal i might not even do it, but I'm still exploring the option of doing it(if that makes sense.. then again its me and i never make much sense :flipoff: ).
As long as it can be done without interfering with the airflow as designed, but then you may have a big drag on the electrical system..
Yeah, that's why I'm researching on fans now. Look at fans and how much needed to run them. There is actually some nice flowing ones that don't use a lot of current. I would mount it where it would not restrict airflow during riding, and probably have a on off switch mounted (again if i do it).
Quote from: wayne242 on March 24, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
You guy's carried over another topic into this one :tongue2:
Anyhow I don't care about mounting it to the oil cooler, i just found that video and was showing that as a possibility.
I was more thinking mounting it to move heat from within the fairings when stopped (I have the F ). Its not a big deal i might not even do it, but I'm still exploring the option of doing it(if that makes sense.. then again its me and i never make much sense :flipoff: ).
Sorry man,we got sidetracked on your thread,but where on topic again. :)
haha, all good i just like picking fun at y'all ;)
We're an entertaining group, but be keep yer eyes open, some of us might bite
Children if i gotta stop this minivan, you arent getting a f%$king happy meal :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :icon_lol:
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 24, 2013, 10:42:11 PM
Children if i gotta stop this minivan, you arent getting a f%$king happy meal :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :flipoff: :icon_lol:
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Damn, I almost wish I had paid attention to my professor in CAD/CAM when he spent 30 whole minutes going over the heat transfer part of the software we used, this would be interesting as hell to model. Maybe I'll take it up as a project this weekend.
Quote from: comradeiggy on March 25, 2013, 05:03:08 PM
Damn, I almost wish I had paid attention to my professor in CAD/CAM when he spent 30 whole minutes going over the heat transfer part of the software we used, this would be interesting as hell to model. Maybe I'll take it up as a project this weekend.
would be interesting to see, I'm not computer guy so that's all foreign to me.
Quote from: wayne242 on March 24, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
(if that makes sense.. then again its me and i never make much sense :flipoff: ).
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Quote from: Janx101 on March 25, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: wayne242 on March 24, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
(if that makes sense.. then again its me and i never make much sense :flipoff: ).
:icon_eek: :D .... Codsy!!! lookit!!! .. we's gots anuther Bruther!!!!!! :thumb:
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