Will sell only as a package. These are 37mm clip ons in excellent condition. There is also a custom top plate that I used a milling machine to mill down the OEM handlebar mounts, filled in the bolt holes, sanded smooth, primered, painted, clear coated and cut/buffed/polished
$100 shipped
Clip ons - http://sdrv.ms/YdnlN8
Top plate - http://sdrv.ms/Z7Mbgy
[EDIT] - If anyone can tell me the major differences is specs or CAD prints on how these may not be "Vortex", I will give them to that person.
Still for sale.
For those who are not aware, I have over 15 hours in labor in the top plate. There is around $50 in materials for primer, paint, and clear coating of the top plate. There are pics in the links above. Dont try to blow me wanting 50% off. I dont have the time nor the patience for it.
You wanna go rent shop time for a milling machine? Go for it. You wanna $3 rattle can bomb your pieces? Go for it. I dont and wont do it.
Don't advertise them as $140 Vortex brand when they are only $50 ebay brand and there wouldn't have been any confusion! :thumb:
Maybe you should become slightly more educated. Better yet, please define "vortex" brand. Do you know where they buy theirs from? Buying from overseas and rebranding with a different name doesnt change who made them or their origination
Better yet, please compare these "vortex" bars and tell me the difference
https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/product/18674/711/17/83/
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/14/71/982/6288/ITEM/Vortex-Clip-On-Road-Race-Bars.aspx
No one lied. to you or misled you. You just didnt look at pics, assumed and shot off a PM without looking, comparing and/or verifying. The pics the other person posted from China are not the same bars I have. But you didnt know that because you never looked. Everything is cheaper to buy from China. Hell, I buy all kinds of things from overseas and resell them here. It called cutting out the middle man. You wanting to not buy China made bars for less when all "vortex" did was buy from China and mark them up and resell to you is a great idea.
Enlighten me on the difference in the bars please. Both are 7/8 aluminum hollow bars. Both have hard plastic end caps. Both are 37mm. Both mount on the forks. Both use the same hardware to mount and secure. Both are the same length and dimensions. So help me understand what differences you think there are between them?
here is a stock pic of "Vortex" and here is a pic of what Im selling. Can anyone give detailed differences?
(https://www.vortexracing.com/file/280/image/400/400/)
(https://lbpfxw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pgiuOqP6ofg1tOrzKZ4VGHAaZoUL-2OSHaE2fgEF0xvmTu-sFrM1L4A3k_UT5YdY3gRyANHSdJ2Q/IMG_20130422_125500_306.jpg?psid=1)
In this case Slack is right. They are not Vortex brand and there is a difference. I have a set like you are selling. They are nice but not as nice as vortex. A lot of times the brand name makes a difference even if both products are made in china.
I like what you have done with the top plate. The problem Slack and I have is that you are misrepresenting what you are selling. If I purchased your set I would have been very disappointed to find out it was a different product, even if they accomplish the same thing and are 80% the same.
I'm curious as to to why you say they are not as nice when they are the same. Post pics of yours please. Same bars and end caps right? Mounted the same right? Same offset too right? So I'm confused on how they are different?
Here is a pic of mine (http://imageshack.us/a/img153/190/3054466990ff75b32782ohx7.jpg)
I don't know if yours are the same but the build quality on mine didn't seem that great. Whatever metal is used for the allen bolts was very soft and cheap so I had to replace them. The inner bar diameter was smaller than standard bars so it is impossible to use normal bar-ends (maybe that is normal for clip-ons?). The clips themselves seemed nice but just not as well machined/finished as vortex racing clip-ons that I have seen on other people's bikes. I am not saying they are a bad product, I am saying they are not manufactured by Vortex Racing.
All of them are made from aluminum. That in itself as we all know is a a soft metal. Never at any time did I have an issue with these. I replaced them only because I wanted to lift my front end back up due to all of the other work on it I had going on. Yes the bars inside diameter is smaller as is normal for these type bars. However, in my 89 clip ons I have "Vortex" 7/8" bars because the OEM 89 bars were too short. But even on those after market bars I have end bar weights so they can be used.
Slack got upset because they arent Vortex and being honest after looking at what they sale and what I have, there is no difference. Again, same degree offset, same metal, same bar size and length, same mounting, ect. You can see they are the same. Did Vortex make design changes throughout their production period? I have no idea.
Look at the ones you posted on your bike and you say they are Vortex but even those are slightly different than the Vortex that are listed on their site. So do YOU have authentic "Vortex"? How do you know? How do we know? Do you/we really care? They work right?
(https://veqikq.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pxpKWpPDHv7rNJAjOIVi8a8Y9fPSxyrRgnav2Euma8-hpmyUCPv_8ZyQOJQlPFCv6WawcHCAaplE/IMG_20130330_210216_318.jpg?psid=1)
Quote from: weedahoe on April 22, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
Slack got upset because they arent Vortex and being honest after looking at what they sale and what I have, there is no difference.
(https://veqikq.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pxpKWpPDHv7rNJAjOIVi8a8Y9fPSxyrRgnav2Euma8-hpmyUCPv_8ZyQOJQlPFCv6WawcHCAaplE/IMG_20130330_210216_318.jpg?psid=1)
Actually, as I stated in my PM I'm not upset. Your the only one upset; you've made that obvious by your rude pm, alluding to a supposed alcohol issue (out of left field), and taking cheap shots at my bike.
Be that as it may and despite what you say there
is a difference of nearly $100 is purchase price between what your actually selling and what you claim to be selling. That's all I've said and that's the only reason I'm not buying them from you. I'm sure your clip ons work just as well as authentic Vortex. And Blue said that the screws were soft. I sure hope you don't think the screws are aluminum too.
So what exactly are you all fighting about here?
Chinese outsourcing?
If they are not vortex then they are not Vortex. There is an implied value that you can sue them into oblivion if there is a failure due to a manufacturing defect and crash -even though they may be sourced from some Chinese factory. If they are not vortex, then there is an implied lack of value and no product liability safety net.
I would call them "exactly like Vortex but not."
We are becoming more savvy sourcers ourselves. Look at me, I sourced flashlights to give away directly out of China. They do not have the "name," but are clearly the same as ones with brand name. That is being a smart shopper. But if the items are no name, there should be full disclosure.
The person that settles this fight wins a super cool flashlight.
I am not sure how you will do it, but if in my judgement it makes this Buddha Loves You fest stop you will win.
The law states you cannot call something a "insert name brand here" unless it came from "insert name brand here"
It does not matter if they came from the same factory or not. If the item was not stamped "insert name brand here" by the company that sells the item YOU as an re-seller cannot claim they are "insert name brand here"
End of discussion oh and thats my .02c
Quote from: john on April 22, 2013, 10:00:09 PM
So what exactly are you all fighting about here?
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We are becoming more savvy sourcers ourselves. Look at me, I sourced flashlights to give away directly out of China. They do not have the "name," but are clearly the same as ones with brand name. That is being a smart shopper. But if the items are no name, there should be full disclosure.
That's normally because those company's paid a Chinese factory to produce the're product at a cheaper cost to them(even greed as a negative side). Then those said Chinese individuals copy the patent and re-produce the said name brand product under no name or random name.
On topic, just call them "similar to vortex" and clean this topic up. No point in having a big ego here, give an apology for wording it wrong.. There is no need to turn this SMALL misinformation into a huge pissing contest and becoming enemy's/disliking each other.... It makes every one involved look bad.
my 3 cents.
And that's the problem. These Chinese factories just keep making the parts and they become grey market parts. Like I said, they are the same (usually), but carry no implied extra value. I can see both sides of the argument. But honestly, $100 for those parts is not a bad deal anyway. You get a real custom look pretty cheap.
I would like weed to edit his posting. But he is a big boy and a great help here. He can do what he wants on this one.
Yup ~ they are either a Vortex product or something else.
I once had a set of Tomahawk tires that used a Dunlop carcass with a rubber compound bought from Dunlop, but Tomahawk could never have marketed it as a Dunlop.
FYI ~ Tomahawk said their rubber compound was based on Dunlop's 208 tire, and they put on a thicker layer (?) for their sport-touring version. It was supposed to be a little heavier because of that, but I got nearly 25,000 km out of the rear tire so I considered that a darn good tradeoff.
As I said earlier as well and as John does, I buy a lot of things from overseas and resell. The screws are the mounts are not aluminum. They are stainless. If you want to argue about $100 difference because they do not have "VORTEX" milled into them then I can easily take a CAD table and put whatever name in them you want. At the end of the day, they are still the same offset, same length bars, same diameter, same metal material, ect.
Slack, the tone in your PM was VERY harsh. That was why I refunded your payment. I didnt/dont need the money. That was the leas of my concern. I honestly didnt want to deal with the situation as a whole if you couldnt understand they are the same thing "Vortex" sells.
As of right now I still havent seen anyone descriptively specify the "difference" and I even gave links and pictures. So if all the difference is that they at some point started to engrave their name on a set of overseas manufactured bars to make them "theirs" and jacked the price by $100, is they really worth it or justified?
BTW, I edited the first post. Please read (all of) it :cheers:
Quote from: weedahoe on April 20, 2013, 09:37:12 PM[EDIT] - If anyone can tell me the major differences is specs or CAD prints on how these may not be "Vortex", I will give them to that person.
The clamp screws for the purportedly non-vortex bars will impact and damage the forks in the event too long a screw is used, as well as not clamp the bar properly upon impaction. Look at the side/angle the screws go in at. Also, the vortex fork clamps have ridging on the inside and outside to help prevent slippage and strengthen the highest stress areas, respectively.
But I don't want 'em. And of course there's no way to tell it's not some old model vortex or something.
Thanks Badot
If you used replacement screws and bought too long then I could see that. But those that come with it are the proper length so no damage can occur.
Quote from: weedahoe on April 20, 2013, 09:37:12 PM
[EDIT] - If anyone can tell me the major differences is specs or CAD prints on how these may not be "Vortex", I will give them to that person.
Now that's a challenge! Lets see if somebody can "win" them.
Quote from: weedahoe on April 22, 2013, 09:59:55 AM
here is a stock pic of "Vortex" and here is a pic of what Im selling. Can anyone give detailed differences?
(https://www.vortexracing.com/file/280/image/400/400/)
(https://lbpfxw.bn1.livefilestore.com/y1pgiuOqP6ofg1tOrzKZ4VGHAaZoUL-2OSHaE2fgEF0xvmTu-sFrM1L4A3k_UT5YdY3gRyANHSdJ2Q/IMG_20130422_125500_306.jpg?psid=1)
The Real McCoys have a different profile on the inside and outside which is clearly visible in these two pictures. Yours do not, and are therefore different and not the same product as Vortex is showing in their product pic. Should I send you my address ?
Nice try but cosmetics do not qualify as technical specifications
An example, the light kit on my truck was had 5 revisions. The kit on my bike has had at least 3. Yes both kits are still authentic from the manufacturer who makes them. My point is, no one can say truly whether these are older model "Vortex" or not. They are clearly not the skimpy overseas models on ebay. Technical specifications are the same as the current model of "Vortex" come they are selling today.
Overall, the contest as John put it, is a trick if you want to call it that. Overall, there are no technical differences as again, they have the same profile, same offset, same bar diameter and length, fit the same triples, use the same bar ends, both made of aluminum, ect.
Only thing that stands out to me as telling the difference is that vortex mounts have the screws from top that hold the bars in (the mounts that go on the forks), and the set you have screws from the side which vortex never have done the're that way.
Plus vortex splits there on the side since the screws come from top unlike your sit which slit at bottom which is normally the ebay China made and not vortex.
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2zdydxe.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2e4i2bd.jpg)
Edit: plus all vortex mounts have the little grove in the mounts unlike the China ones.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/25so3s8.jpg)
Cant tell difference by bars them self, so no point in trying.. only the mounts show clearly vortex or now.
How's this for a technical specification: your bars use 3 bolts to clamp them to the fork tubes, vortex only uses 2. Either way, you owe Safe-T a free set of clip-ons. Can you post pictures of previous versions of vortex clip ons that are shaped like yours?
Quote from: Slack on April 24, 2013, 06:29:48 PM
How's this for a technical specification: your bars use 3 bolts to clamp them to the fork tubes, vortex only uses 2. Either way, you owe Safe-T a free set of clip-ons. Can you post pictures of previous versions of vortex clip ons that are shaped like yours?
Your incorrect yourself, vortex as both 3 and 2 screw clamps.. look at my picture... not to mention weeds is not 3 bolts its 2..
Edit: His does have 3, i did not see other pic of them installed until now.
There are 3.
(https://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pqQlf_I43AGhYBkx53oa39-r5T6O_tGNs3LALcn2_ayefDX7Xrs4tnjFggAldJ3Ak/2012-10-19_17-10-24_978.jpg?psid=1)
Still, vortex as both 2 and 3 bolts for the mounts like mentioned above, so that's irrelevant. I clearly explained with proof of how to tell the difference above with PICs. :technical:
Quote from: wayne242 on April 24, 2013, 09:31:57 PM
Still, vortex as both 2 and 3 bolts for the mounts like mentioned above, so that's irrelevant. I clearly explained with proof of how to tell the difference above with PICs. :technical:
I know. I read. I agree with you. :cheers:
Vortex or not, still a good deal
They will be even better FREE.
I have owned some Vortex stuff and you would not mistake it for anything else. Check out various pics of their bar clamps at https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/product/18674/711/17/83/ and you will see how different they are.
I sent Vortex the pic of the clamps in question, so I guess we will see what they have to say.
Quote from: SAFE-T on April 25, 2013, 07:47:17 AM
They will be even better FREE.
I have owned some Vortex stuff and you would not mistake it for anything else. Check out various pics of their bar clamps at https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/product/18674/711/17/83/ and you will see how different they are.
I sent Vortex the pic of the clamps in question, so I guess we will see what they have to say.
What you havent mentioned though is how these could function any different than "vortex" and how they might not work "as good". You were stuck on a name being branded on the item making it somehow a better functioning product being that you didnt want something from overseas but rather something from "vortex". My entire debate point is that there is not structural difference. Sure cosmetically there might be but again, who is buying clips ons for looks over function?
On a note, Ive gotten several PMs saying Wayne242 should get them so Wayne242, if you want them, PM me, me. Once you get them you can do a review. :cheers:
Holy pissing match batman!
Quote from: mustangGT90210 on April 25, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
Holy pissing match batman!
Really ? I am finding it is an excellent discussion about whether something is or is not what it is claimed to be.
Quote from: weedahoe on April 25, 2013, 02:59:40 PM
Quote from: SAFE-T on April 25, 2013, 07:47:17 AM
They will be even better FREE.
I have owned some Vortex stuff and you would not mistake it for anything else. Check out various pics of their bar clamps at https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/product/18674/711/17/83/ and you will see how different they are.
I sent Vortex the pic of the clamps in question, so I guess we will see what they have to say.
What you havent mentioned though is how these could function any different than "vortex" and how they might not work "as good".
Gee. I don't know. I guess it's the same difference as exists between different makes of tires and brands of oil. Tires need to be round and oil needs to be slippery, but other than that how would you quantify their differences without testing for specific qualities merely by looking at them if you didn't know anything about their place of origin. This is why Vortex puts the name 'Vortex' on their stuff. Whether your stuff is as good or better is not the question ~ the question is whether it is made by Vortex or not, which conveys a certain amount of implied information regarding their quality and $$$ value in the first place.
Quote from: weedahoe on April 25, 2013, 03:16:54 PM
On a note, Ive gotten several PMs saying Wayne242 should get them so Wayne242, if you want them, PM me, me. Once you get them you can do a review. :cheers:
Eh? Did I miss seeing something said that I hadn't pointed out already?
Quote from: Badot on April 25, 2013, 06:12:08 PM
Quote from: weedahoe on April 25, 2013, 03:16:54 PM
On a note, Ive gotten several PMs saying Wayne242 should get them so Wayne242, if you want them, PM me, me. Once you get them you can do a review. :cheers:
Eh? Did I miss seeing something said that I hadn't pointed out already?
No sour grapes. It just seemed like wayne used photos and detailed description of differences. Apparently a few people PM'd weed about it. So it seems like the crowd voted.
Regardless nobody lost anything, and this has been a lively discussion of outsourcing / grey market / knock offs.
Yeah Badot. You have to draw some squiggly arrows if you wanna be a winnah :kiss3:
No sour grapes because I don't even have a GS500 right now, but that was a pretty unusual outcome.
Quote from: SAFE-T on April 25, 2013, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: weedahoe on April 25, 2013, 02:59:40 PM
Quote from: SAFE-T on April 25, 2013, 07:47:17 AM
They will be even better FREE.
I have owned some Vortex stuff and you would not mistake it for anything else. Check out various pics of their bar clamps at https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/product/18674/711/17/83/ and you will see how different they are.
I sent Vortex the pic of the clamps in question, so I guess we will see what they have to say.
What you havent mentioned though is how these could function any different than "vortex" and how they might not work "as good".
Gee. I don't know. I guess it's the same difference as exists between different makes of tires and brands of oil. Tires need to be round and oil needs to be slippery, but other than that how would you quantify their differences without testing for specific qualities merely by looking at them if you didn't know anything about their place of origin. This is why Vortex puts the name 'Vortex' on their stuff. Whether your stuff is as good or better is not the question ~ the question is whether it is made by Vortex or not, which conveys a certain amount of implied information regarding their quality and $$$ value in the first place.
Just because a company engraves or mills their name on the side neither implies better quality nor function. MANY things can be bought with the same (and in some cases better) quality with no name. When we bought my wifes Mini Cooper it had a bad HID bulb. The BWM dealer wanted $200 for ONE bulb. I bought a pair from ebay for around $15 shipped and 3 years later that bulb is still working in her car. She has no visibility issues at night. It works like any other HID bulb. Just because BMW "can" sell one and at a higher price doesnt mean it is better.
For sale or not? I dont give a crap who makes em. I want to try clip ons I have drag bars now...
Quote from: Beemersworld on April 25, 2013, 10:30:58 PM
For sale or not? I dont give a crap who makes em. I want to try clip ons I have drag bars now...
Waiting to hear back from Wayne
Shipping out to Wayne today
USPS Priority 9405 5112 0108 0909 9466 25
Looks like they are delivered. :woohoo:
Ok, I don't know if I'm daft or I can't wrap my head around things but, I'm looking at how the clipons are installed but on my bike...the forks come right up level to my top plate....if I removed the top plate i would have about 3/4th inch of room. Someone on this forum said "and raise the fork tubes slightly in the tripple. " How the hell do you raise fork tubes if there is nothing more there.. i have a 93' gs500e with stock bars.
Lowering the triples "raises" the fork tubes
I guess I'll have to figure out how to do lower the triple...I think its the bolt on the top of my forks
Quote from: metalreeper on May 04, 2013, 07:42:02 PM
I guess I'll have to figure out how to do lower the triple...I think its the bolt on the top of my forks
Losing these as shown in image (on both sides). once all or losing you can move the forks up and down with ease (put bike on center stand).
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2hwnvdl.png)
thanks wayne, that actually really helps me because I'm getting clipons soon :thumb: :woohoo:
Just make sure you don't lose them when you loosen them :wink:
Or drop the entire front end to the ground
Quote from: weedahoe on May 07, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
Or drop the entire front end to the ground
Oh that would suck.
^^^ Yep, because its a BIOTCH to get back up
Dont ask me how I know :technical: