what do you guys think of those little 600 superbikes, at first i was like naaw thats not for me. but i kind of like them now. i really like the new r1 and the gxrs are always nice. see i thougth my next bike would be a sv650s or something half naked or completely naked but i think im reconsidering :mrgreen:
I like the 600s. I used to have a Honda CBR 600 and probably will own one again someday. I've never ridden a 1000cc bike at speed but it seems to me that 600s offer more than sufficient performance for the streets.
I hated riding my ex-gf's gsxr600. Had to shift all the time and rev'd very quickly. Never got to ride any twisties with it. Didn't like either of my gixxer 750's. Too buzzy and had to keep the rpms up high for power. Maybe I have been spoiled by the v-twin of my TLR. The SV I had was a good riding bike as well and the engine was very compatable to my riding style.
you have to try it first as it is a completely different riding experience. I for one love the chance to jump on a friends i4 for a quick run, but would get back on the twin for any prolonged riding anyway. Also check your insurance rates, that might narrow your choices down right off the bat. I couldn't justify paying 1500+ a year for an i4 when i could pay a quarter of that for a sv or gs.
Quote from: mes_423...those little 600 superbikes...
I find this to be a rather ironic statement on a forum dedicated to 500cc bikes. :? :)
before i bought my GS, i was thinking of buying a bandit 600....i like 600 because they have power but also don't like them since they are much harder to work on...4cyl, water cooled and 16 valves is way to much work if you have to rebuild the motor
One of these days, I'll have to ride my friend's YZF600R (Yamaha's sportbike for commuters) but at the cycle show, I found it to be the most comfortable in the moments I had sitting on each bike. GSXR's were torture racks to me. You know, you won't have the ease of maintenance that comes with the GS, but that's the downside getting a more modern and powerful piece of machinery. Perhaps you might want to get the SV650S and look for a full fairing kit if you like the wind protection. I know the FZ1 has a full fairing kit as a genuine Yamaha accessory. A naked 600 will most likely have an engine tuned for real world riding, with a powerband accessible at lower RPM. Sometimes it is good to just go putt putt instead of waaaaah... :) But what do I know! :dunno:
I'd like one of the nekkid 600s. Something tuned for the low to mid power range. Don't know that I'd like the repliracers as an everyday ride.
Go sit on one of the 600cc repliracers (or even the new SV unfortunatly).
Keep sitting on it.
Keep going.
Thirty minutes yet?
Ok, now have a friend help you off the bike and call a chiropractor.
:mrgreen:
You do have to rev them to get going, but that can be part of the fun. You can leave it in 1st and 2nd and let it scream along at all of 35mph.
Right now I think that the YZF600R is the most balanced 600 amoung both the older budget mid-weights and even the cutting edge racers. Its comfortable, but still has a race posture. Heavy, but it has enough engine to be a public meanace at will. And my favorite, fully adjustable suspension that is as good as anything new.
I thought my next bike was going to be a sv650s but then my friend let me hop on his cbr929. It was a bit too much power for me but I liked it alot. That's when I decided that I wanted to by a gsxr 600. Just shopping around for insurance right now.
I originally thought I would go for an SV650S for my second bike, but then I started researching and found the YZF-600R was a nice, 4cyliner alternative... lighter, prettier, and more powerful than a Kat, better ergos than the cutting edge 600's and the price was right.
I ended up on a 2 year-old R6. I'll have to agree with the powerband being a pain in the neck around town... gotta keep it up high, even when just rollin' down main street I'm at rpm's that would make the GS beg for mercy.
So currently, I have the GS for around town and touring (long distance), and the R6 for twisties and leisure rides (~1-2hours). Now, I'm already thinkin' about my next bike (any motorcycle enthusiast is ALWAYS thinkin' about that next bike ;) ). I think an SV1000(S) in a few years would serve the purpose of both of my current bikes.... good and torquey in the low range, plenty of power, and an agressive riding posture that's a little more upright than the bullet-bikes.
I wouldn't trade my I-4 experience for the world though... had I never gotten the R6 I would have always wanted one :thumb: . Once you're on the highway all of those 'high-rpm' worries fade away and the ride is so smooth. Oh, and the other plus to the R6... I have turned more heads in 60 miles on the R6 than I have in 3000 miles on the GS.. it is BEAUTIFUL :mrgreen:
oh yes, and one last thing re: the R6. I really liked the ergos compared to the GSXR. I'm 6'3" with fairly long arms, and I can ride for hours without discomfort, EXCEPT.....
the seat is tilted slightly forward, and when stop n go riding over time (i.e. hittin' the brakes regularly) I begin to slide forward until my boys get mashed against the tank :o
I'd say, if you want to get a 600, try to find a test-ride, and be sure to ride it for 15-30 minutes, not just around the block...
that said, i still LOVE the power and while comfort doesn't match the GS, it is more than acceptable :thumb:
I have a Triumph TT600 (no longer made) and I have ridden it on a few 2-hour long trips on the highway & the position for me isn't more uncomfortable than on the GS. There is maybe a little more weight on your wrists but probably more comfortable than the other "repli-racers".
Greg Gabis could comment on how it feels for a taller person vs. the GS as he had ridden the TT on a highway trip too.
Quote from: Pam G
Greg Gabis could comment on how it feels for a taller person vs. the GS as he had ridden the TT on a highway trip too.
The TT600 is an awesome street bike. Very comfortable for my 6'2". Great handling and brakes. EFI is a little glitchy off throttle, but that can be retuned.
I've heard great things about the tt600 and the daytona 600 and i went to look at one and sat on it and thought..."this is more comfortable than my GS" A little more weight on the wrist, but the seat was soooo much better.
I've managed 300 miles on the GS at 80+ in twistys, but I was beat to hell by the end of it and my butt was in agony. I'd like to be able to take some weekend trips. have you all done anything like that on the triumphs? I can take pain a couple of times a year as a compromise for fun around town 95% of the rest of the time. But I was physically spent after sitting on the GS for 300 miles. I love the GS around town...but longish trips...uggg...
The Daytona 600 does have a more aggressive riding position, so I've heard from other TT600 riders.
I haven't sat on one yet, but will probably do so at the Cleveland Cycle World show. Last year they had the D600 roped off & you could not even touch it.
The TT600 seat is much more comfy (IMO) than the stock GS seat, but about the same as my GS gel seat.
I just bought a 1994 CBR600F2 after trading in my GS for it. Great bike ,real smooth infact I find it easier to drive than the GS in town due to the very smooth power delivary.
And i dont get smoked too often by the SBK's.
Nevertheless I miss the GS and its comfy riding position and the fact that it gently brought me back to biking after a 8 year gap.The biggest shortcomming is there is no CBR community or website that even comes close to GSTWIN.Thus i keep comming back to browse all the time. :)
Quote from: Mohnish Kumar....The biggest shortcomming is there is no CBR community or website that even comes close to GSTWIN.Thus i keep comming back to browse all the time. :)
The only CBR site I know of is
//www.fireblades.org
I've been a fan of liter V twins for a while & one that has really impressed me on the street is the Honda SuperHawk, VTR 1000. Really comfy (I'm 6'4"), great powerband, easy to ride around all day, just a good all around sporty bike. You can get one for pretty cheap, too.
The SV1000 & TLR & TLS also appear to fit the bill, although I haven't ridden any of them, so I don't have actual personal experience with them.
I'm starting to look at Buell XB9 & 12, too, but that's a story for a different post - gimme about a week.
Quote from: Mohnish Kumar...The biggest shortcomming is there is no CBR community or website that even comes close to GSTWIN.Thus i keep comming back to browse all the time. :)
Here you go...
http://pub127.ezboard.com/bhondasportbikenetworkhttp://pub105.ezboard.com/bhondacbr600f4
Quote from: dgyverI hated riding my ex-gf's gsxr600. Had to shift all the time and rev'd very quickly. Never got to ride any twisties with it. Didn't like either of my gixxer 750's. Too buzzy and had to keep the rpms up high for power. Maybe I have been spoiled by the v-twin of my TLR. The SV I had was a good riding bike as well and the engine was very compatable to my riding style.
Oh this is finally refreshing to hear from someone else.... The logical step up from the GS toward the sport bike genre is not a 600 or even a 750. I'd say R1 or GSXR 1000 or the older GSXR 1100/FZR 1000. The GSXR/R6 would be a step up from a 2 stroke 250. Now its good to hear the TL feels like the bigger brother of the GS. I should plan on getting one of those... if I ever get the herd down to a manageable 2-3.
Cool.
Srinath.
I would be careful if going from a GS to a TL. I never took to any bike like I did to the TLR and getting on a GS was a very easy transition. I would recommend an SV before a TL though, unless you are very experienced with throttle control. The GS you can slam the throttle wide open with minimal concern. On a TL, slam it wide open...you better be ready. It will easily spin the rear tire exiting a turn and wheelie when ever you want (and sometimes when you don't!). Most people go up 1-3 teeth in the rear. At 3 times the horsepower (100-120hp) and 72+ pounds of torque, a touchy throttle can be intimidating. An 1 liter I-4 may have more HP but does not have the torque to match. In street riding, torque is where all the fun is anyway. But then the touchy throttle is typical of other 1 liter v-twins, like the RC51. An SV is a little more forgiving and is more agile. Don't believe the mags when they report weights of bikes. The TLR has been slated as a heavy bike but only weighs 5 pounds more than a RC51. I have already taken off around 30 pounds of excess weight. Change out the rear shock and thats another 10 pounds, but that will cost $500-$1000. One down side is that replacement parts (like fairings) are fairly expensive as compared to GSXR's. Not to many squids ridding & crashing TL's.
I wish Suzuki did not stop making the TL, it just never got the race support it needed. :(
Quote from: seshadri_srinathThe logical step up from the GS toward the sport bike genre is not a 600 or even a 750. I'd say R1 or GSXR 1000 or the older GSXR 1100/FZR 1000.
You're assuming that the prospective buyer would want a 600 supersport. What about a Honda F3/F4? I've ridden the F3 at some length and found it comfortable, fast, and a lot of fun to ride. In my opinion they make enough power and are geared in such a way as to not require excessive shifting either. Not that shifting is bad, heck, I love high revs. :thumb:
Adam
Quote from: dgyverI would be careful if going from a GS to a TL. I never took to any bike like I did to the TLR and getting on a GS was a very easy transition. I would recommend an SV before a TL though, unless you are very experienced with throttle control. The GS you can slam the throttle wide open with minimal concern. On a TL, slam it wide open...you better be ready. It will easily spin the rear tire exiting a turn and wheelie when ever you want (and sometimes when you don't!). Most people go up 1-3 teeth in the rear. At 3 times the horsepower (100-120hp) and 72+ pounds of torque, a touchy throttle can be intimidating. An 1 liter I-4 may have more HP but does not have the torque to match. In street riding, torque is where all the fun is anyway. But then the touchy throttle is typical of other 1 liter v-twins, like the RC51. An SV is a little more forgiving and is more agile. Don't believe the mags when they report weights of bikes. The TLR has been slated as a heavy bike but only weighs 5 pounds more than a RC51. I have already taken off around 30 pounds of excess weight. Change out the rear shock and thats another 10 pounds, but that will cost $500-$1000. One down side is that replacement parts (like fairings) are fairly expensive as compared to GSXR's. Not to many squids ridding & crashing TL's.
I wish Suzuki did not stop making the TL, it just never got the race support it needed. :(
I always thought that (as if I could affourd either one) I'd much rather have a TLR than a GSXR. The V-Twin just seems like a much better streetbike engine to me. It's good to hear someone who owns one, confirm that opinion. Maybe there's an SV1000S somewhere in my distant future. 8)
I went through the decision process last year, it was a tough choice. Personaly I am not a huge fan of the repli racers, I like them, but I can't see myself riding one everyday. I finally chose the sv650 (Naked). It suits my riding style and my needs perfectly. 95percent of my riding is in town during the week so I wanted something torqey I wouldn't have to wind out at every light(since we all know one of the highlights of riding is to make cagers in $60,000 sports cars feel bad about their purchase). Anyway I haven't regreted the SV purchase even for a second. Top bike for the cash, and the insurance runs me 2 dollars more a month than my wifes GS. Need I say more?
One thing I forgot to mention...the TL-R is not just a fully faired version of the TL-S. They are similar but in the major areas they are completely different...frame, suspension & engine.
I was looking at the SV650 but then decided I wasnted more power. I love the 2 cylinder engine but I wanted something that would last a little longer on my power d0esire calender. Now I'm loking heavily on the YZF600R and the F4i. Just looking for the insurance. If both the same I'll go for the F4i. I hate ragging on the GS but I've gotten to a point where I want more power and primarily more accel. Sorry GS!