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Title: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 26, 2013, 07:17:20 PM
Ok, so I received my 93 GS500 a few months ago in exchange for rebuilding a friend of mines 78 gl1000 carbs. My Suzuki was in dire need of minor parts ( fuel line, various washers, cushions, and spacers, petcock etc.) Nothing electrical save the indicator panel and gauges did I mess with. So I slowly pieced it together and finished today to final it had a dead battery :( So I put a trickle charger on it for a couple of hours and then tried to start it, which it turns over beautifully but never started. I started with t
He petcock on prime, then on, then reserve to no avail. Killswitch set to run, clutch pulled in and bike in neutral.  I have no clue what to look for or if I even attempted to start it correctly.  Thoughts, tips, advice? Thanks.
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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: JAS6377 on June 26, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
Did you put the choke on?
Make sure the vacuum lines and fuel lines are all connected properly.
Check the spark plugs and make sure you're getting a spark.
Or, perhaps it has extremely tight exhaust valves. That can cause extremely hard starts.

This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure the gurus will be along shortly.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 26, 2013, 09:35:10 PM
I put the choke on and the only vacuum line I touched was the one from the petcock to the inside of the left carb, maybe I put it on the wrong part? But I was pretty sure I only saw the little smooth metal nipple on the upper inner front.

I was going to check spark but my battery had died by then so ill do that first thing when I get off work

I appreciate the help
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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 12:34:49 AM
So I just got home from work after letting the gs sit on the trickle charger for 9 hours, I open the choke and attempt to start it........Houston we have liftoff! SHE FIRED UP IMMEDIATELY! I must just had a really dead battery.......ex-freakin-cited now!

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Janx101 on June 27, 2013, 12:51:07 AM
..... Good result!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 01:06:12 PM
But the work isn't done, if I rev it and release, the bike seems to fuel starve and die....thoughts?

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: cbrfxr67 on June 27, 2013, 01:13:53 PM
where pics? ? ?  :dunno_black:

" Also, I'm having some issues with uploading pics but I will get that sorted."
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 01:46:04 PM
Pics?

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: scottpA_GS on June 27, 2013, 02:02:33 PM
Nice bike!

Did you clean the carbs on the GS? Cant hurt to start there.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 02:03:41 PM
How do I upload my Photobucket?

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
Thanks! No cleaning just put it together. What's the best way to clean them or an easy/efficient way.  I need to pull the valve cover and fix an oil leak anyways

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: cbrfxr67 on June 27, 2013, 02:34:51 PM
 :thumb: nice!  Looks foggy there!

Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
Lol no just my cell phones 2 year old camera haha

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Snake2715 on June 27, 2013, 08:09:29 PM
google gs wiki and you will get lots of helpful articles.

carbs need clean reset.. did they dynojet it when they added the Vance and Hines? get into.the carbs take pictures as.you do and let's we what we got.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 08:53:58 PM
:( carbs suck but ok ill do it. Is there anything I can run through it to clean them out in the off chance it works?

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Snake2715 on June 28, 2013, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: jcube_04 on June 27, 2013, 08:53:58 PM
:( carbs suck but ok ill do it. Is there anything I can run through it to clean them out in the off chance it works?

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do you like your steak cooked in a microwave?

carb cleaner once its apart. ha ha.

all sorts of answers to that if you google around or search the board here.

Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 28, 2013, 10:05:06 PM
Good point. Here's a video of it running and the engine noise I mentioned in another post.

The bike turning off at the end was the result of the fuel issue I'm having

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_AO81Hkxps&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_AO81Hkxps&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Is it worth tearing into the carbs with that noise? It's not the exhaust  I already tightened the bolts lol
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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 29, 2013, 09:52:42 PM
Started dismantling today:

http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/Jeremy_Block/library/Vehicles

Still pretty new to uploading pics hear so please bear with me  :technical:  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Snake2715 on June 30, 2013, 12:14:34 AM
I will check your video.

What camera are you using? If its a more recent phone set it to Macro or close up mode so it will focus on the close pieces.

Otherwise the orings I could see looked good (doesn't mean they are, check them well)

The jets with the little holes.. they say use a guitar string.. I have used a bread tie (metal inside the plastic.. but be very careful not to scratch the brass all up. If you have an air compressor blow them out with that and hold tot he light to make sure you can see through both across the holes and end to end. Make sure they are not clogged with junk.

If you have no air compressor.. buy a can of compressed air or something. Carb cleaner may work but you will have to punch it with the guitar string or similar piece.



Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 30, 2013, 12:53:49 AM
Ok, ill do that, these carbs seem really clean to me but its only the second set I've torn apart so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Lol. The camera I'm using is my crappy Kyocera veil cellphone, ill try to use my wife's iPhone tomorrow to get some clearer shots

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 30, 2013, 12:57:20 AM
Thanks for the input snake. BTW what's that steel wool looking stuff I took a picture of? I'm not really sure where it came from. All I know is after I removed the valve cover, it was laying next to my spark plugs

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 30, 2013, 01:10:55 PM
Would that brown gasket above the valve cover being trashed cause any engine noise or cause my bike to run poorly

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Snake2715 on June 30, 2013, 08:15:44 PM
one thing to be careful of.. taking too many parts of the bike apart at once. Get some things wrapped back up. You would he surprised how quickly you forget exactly how things go.back together.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: RossLH on June 30, 2013, 08:45:56 PM
Quote from: Snake2715 on June 30, 2013, 08:15:44 PM
one thing to be careful of.. taking too many parts of the bike apart at once. get some things etapped back up. you would he surprised how.quickly you forget exactly how things go.back together.

I learned from experience that reinstalling carbs while high on carb cleaner fumes does not end well. It's good to label things. I like to take pictures as I'm disassembling for quick reference.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on June 30, 2013, 09:12:53 PM
Thanks for the input, I have the parts I took out and apart very well separated and catalogues, I too have made the mistake of taking too many things apart and coming back to them too late

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: jcube_04 on July 12, 2013, 04:22:41 PM
No updates yet. I think I'm just going to order a tenet kit for the k&n lunchbox and v&h exhaust according to the gs wiki that way I know what's there and I know its all good. I have to order ages gaskets as well.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Snake2715 on July 12, 2013, 11:30:52 PM
I missed your post asking but the steel wool thing is the case breather filter I believe, it goes under the piece with the gasket you were asking about.
Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Kerry on July 13, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
To clarify a little, the "steel wool thing" is item 7 in the diagram below:

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Title: Re: Help please
Post by: Snake2715 on July 14, 2013, 01:07:03 AM
yes perfect Kerry! Bolt "3" in this picture is closest to the front wheel.

Jcube the more I think about it, I think you should search or start a new thread with the current issue and info in the first post. your more likely to get more help.