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Title: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 12, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
help me choose new chain for my 04 gs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/380651406866

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-2006-2007-2008-2009-2010-SUZUKI-GS500-GS-500-F-500F-BLUE-ORING-CHAIN-/370844117512?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5658082a08&vxp=mtr

is it worth additional 20$ for o-ring?
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Courtice_GS500 on July 12, 2013, 12:17:07 PM
IMO yes spend the extra $20.

The last longer and stretch less.

Just my $0.02

Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Kerry on July 12, 2013, 01:27:00 PM
I agree about O-ring chains in general, but for this particular one...

QuoteRivet Masterlink is included (Riveting tool may be needed; NOT included)

That's a deal breaker for me, since I don't have a riveting tool.  All of my replacement chains have had a clip-style master link which can be installed with common tools.

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I haven't updated it for several years now, and I believe some of the retailers "are no more" ... but this old [Chains & Sprockets (http://bbburma.net/Documents/GS500_ChainsAndSprockets.txt)] document might give you some ideas.  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: rharding91 on July 12, 2013, 02:27:58 PM
Its really easy to rivet a link on just buy a 20$ rivet link tool off the web and watch a couple youtube videos. I find it simpler than the clip style.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Slack on July 12, 2013, 02:28:36 PM
I never thought I'd do this, but I'm going to choose a different side of the fence then Kerry.  I only use rivet-on master links.  They are considerably stronger then a clip on.  Bite the bullet and pony up the cash for a rivet tool/chain breaker from someone like motion pro (about the same price as a chain).  You'll be happy when your chain doesn't come apart at freeway speeds locking up your rear wheel and sending you sliding underneath the Semi that had been traveling right next to you.
As far as o-ring vs roller, I'd say get an o-ring, although they are about 2x as expensive they should last 3x as long.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Kerry on July 12, 2013, 02:35:48 PM
Quote from: Slack on July 12, 2013, 02:28:36 PMI never thought I'd do this, but I'm going to choose a different side of the fence then Kerry. 

Gee!  You're gonna make me feel like I'm actually a somebody around here.  (I'm really just a regular guy....  :oops:)


Quote from: Slack on July 12, 2013, 02:28:36 PMI only use rivet-on master links.  They are considerably stronger then a clip on.  Bite the bullet and pony up the cash for a rivet tool/chain breaker from someone like motion pro...

I'm sure you're right, and I really should "pony up".  Once I can kick myself out to the shed and get my engine to turn again ... and re-register my bike (expired a couple weeks ago) ... and put enough additional miles on to plan for my next chain ... I'll do it - I promise!
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Slack on July 12, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: Kerry on July 12, 2013, 02:35:48 PM
Gee!  You're gonna make me feel like I'm actually a somebody around here.  (I'm really just a regular guy....  :oops:)

Make a high quality valve adjustment video and donate a valve kit to the community, you become a star   :cheers:
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 12, 2013, 03:00:28 PM
i'll got o-ring, thanks for advice
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: RossLH on July 12, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: Slack on July 12, 2013, 02:40:19 PMMake a high quality valve adjustment video and donate a valve kit to the community, you become a star   :cheers:

BaltimoreGS has a few videos of valve adjustments on Youtube. They're pretty cut and dry, from start to finish.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: jestercinti on July 12, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
X-ring is just as good if not better.  Anything "ring" is what you want.

And you can use a clip-on link.  Safety wire it on, you'll be fine.  Gone 4,000 on my EK X-Ring 520 chain, and no worries.

To each one's own I guess...
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: fetor56 on July 12, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
Quote from: jestercinti on July 12, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
X-ring is just as good if not better.  Anything "ring" is what you want.

And you can use a clip-on link.  Safety wire it on, you'll be fine.  Gone 4,000 on my EK X-Ring 520 chain, and no worries.

To each one's own I guess...
What is this "Safety wire"......do u have a pic?
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: weedahoe on July 12, 2013, 06:41:41 PM
I vote for an o-ring chain and a rivet style link also
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 13, 2013, 07:01:06 AM
after 1  day searching and choosing cheap and quality chain finally i bought EK O-Ring chain
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: mitch79 on July 14, 2013, 01:04:37 AM
Don't forget EK make a screw type master link, no special tools required. Another option for you.
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=16084 (http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=16084)
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 14, 2013, 02:27:56 AM
i bought http://www.ebay.com/itm/190801604582?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/190801604582?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648) this one
and there written that clip type masterlink is included
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Slack on July 14, 2013, 08:37:29 AM
Quote from: RossLH on July 12, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
Quote from: Slack on July 12, 2013, 02:40:19 PMMake a high quality valve adjustment video and donate a valve kit to the community, you become a star   :cheers:

BaltimoreGS has a few videos of valve adjustments on Youtube. They're pretty cut and dry, from start to finish.

Kerry's video was out long before BaltimoreGS'.  Not that Baltimore hasn't helped the community, he has put out several video's.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: RossLH on July 14, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
I'm well aware of that. I think I read your previous post wrong.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Kerry on July 14, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: mitch79 on July 14, 2013, 01:04:37 AM
Don't forget EK make a screw type master link, no special tools required. Another option for you.
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=16084 (http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=16084)

Thanks for the reminder!  With this info, I may have to "reneg" on my future promise to buy a Motion Pro-style chain breaker / riveting tool.  (Those babies are expensive!)  Even at the almost "$11 per master link" shown at the site you linked to, I could wear out more chains than my bike will ever use before paying for the tool ... and still have "rivet-like" security.

What will they think of next?   :bowdown:
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 16, 2013, 04:11:45 AM
does anyone have painted they'r chain? what do you think of it?
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: codajastal on July 16, 2013, 04:13:45 AM
Quote from: system32 on July 16, 2013, 04:11:45 AM
does anyone have painted they'r chain? what do you think of it?
Do not paint your chain :nono:
You can buy chains in different colours.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 16, 2013, 05:03:08 AM
Quote from: codajastal on July 16, 2013, 04:13:45 AM
Quote from: system32 on July 16, 2013, 04:11:45 AM
does anyone have painted they'r chain? what do you think of it?
Do not paint your chain :nono:
You can buy chains in different colours.

what is problem if i paint its surface carefully
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Slack on July 16, 2013, 08:47:07 AM
The paint will destroy all the o-rings.  It will also cause binding in the links which will wear out the chain and sprockets extra quickly.  If you want a colored chain you need to purchase a colored chain.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: system32 on July 24, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
PLEASE give me advice.
i got EK chain witch clip on master link.  i have broke clip on while installing. may i done it same as rivet?
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Kerry on July 24, 2013, 12:58:57 PM
Most chains come with a master link, but you can also order master links separately.  (See [THIS CATALOG PAGE (http://motorcycle.chaparral-racing.com/search?asug=&w=EK+520+master+link&x=25&y=23)] for an assortment of EK master links.)

You can use either style master link on your chain.  Or, since you have an EK chain, see if they have a compatible screw-type link for the chain series you have.  (SRX, SRO, RXO, etc)
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Kerry on July 24, 2013, 01:15:16 PM
Also, I guess it's too late now for the first link below to be completely useful, but it might still contain some good info for you.  If you decide to try again with a clip-style link, the second link below might provide an additional tip.  (Both links lead to posts in the old Cant figure out how to remove old chain. HElP? thread.)
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: zer028 on July 24, 2013, 08:21:52 PM
Hey sorry quick question since everyone is on this topic. After how long or when do bikes need the chains to be changed? Thank you
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Janx101 on July 24, 2013, 08:58:14 PM
 
Quote from: zer028 on July 24, 2013, 08:21:52 PM
Hey sorry quick question since everyone is on this topic. After how long or when do bikes need the chains to be changed? Thank you

:dunno_black:

variables : type of chain... maintenance protocol of user ... conditions ridden in .. adjustment of chain .. how you ride .. how much you ride ..  ;)

best bet is to buy a good one.... maintain it well ... adjust it when needed .. make note of how it performs and moves/feels while riding and  while cleaning/lubing .. keep an eye on your sprockets also cos bad/worn sprockets can play merry hell with your chain too ...  :thumb:

theres likely to be a lot of comparisons around here.. but i have had a old dirtbike in the past .. put a new chain (a 'good' EK) on .. normal open type - no orings ... didnt look after it much and got about 50 hours/under 1000km (of bush and farm riding) from it?... it was in real bad shape ...
currently the OEM chain is on my GS500 .. with almost 18000 kms on... i am the 3rd owner ... (i dont know how well the other owners looked after it) .. i have been cleaning and lubing it 'reasonably' well .. its overdue for a change/replace (as are the sprockets) .. but it gives me no real faults now so long as i keep it clean and lubed...

your chain life depends on you !  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: zer028 on July 24, 2013, 09:59:15 PM
Oh wow, did not know there was so much in the chains. Seems like i have a lot of reading to do. the bike is only at 5,300miles. Hope i wont have to worry about it for awhile. Thanks for letting me know.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Jimbob on July 24, 2013, 10:52:50 PM
I try to clean and lube my chain every 1000k's just like the manual advises. I normally spend a good hour with it. Give it all a good scrub and every 2nd time or so ill take the sprocket cover off and clean out in there, always gets some stones in there
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: zer028 on July 25, 2013, 05:49:53 AM
Oh dang! every 1000miles? Would taking care of the chain as you advise help with shifting into gear smoother? When I put it into first gear at a stop. Its always loud and you can feel the bike shaking a lot. Also does this site have a DIY page? I couldnt find it. Everything is so new to me. Thank you
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Wagoneer on July 25, 2013, 06:01:13 AM
Check the wiki page. Pretty much every DIYer you'd want.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: gsJack on July 25, 2013, 06:12:33 AM
Quote from: zer028 on July 24, 2013, 08:21:52 PM
Hey sorry quick question since everyone is on this topic. After how long or when do bikes need the chains to be changed? Thank you

My GS500 chains have gone 14,100 to 22.500 miles.  Here's the complete record for my approx. 175,000 miles on 2 GS500s:

http://www.gs500.net/gallery/data/500/GSbrakechainlog.jpg

I change chains when they get kinky, when the free play varies around the chain due to the kinks.  Never have worn out a chain until there was no more adjustment available.  Riding year around here in N E Ohio I splash thru a lot of salt water so a bad winter hastens replacement.  I have never replaced a rear sprocket but do change the front sprocket every 2nd chain or as required.

I have never ever cleaned a chain in 350,000 miles of chain drive bike riding.  Lubing a change by a mileage schedule is senseless, you can lube it and have all the lube gone in 15 minutes of riding in the rain.  I lube when the links get shiny, chain lubing is for the benefit of the sprockets if you use a good o-ring or x-ring chain, the chain lube is sraled in until the seals wear out and the chain gets kinky.
Title: Re: choosing new chain
Post by: Kerry on July 25, 2013, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: zer028 on July 25, 2013, 05:49:53 AMOh dang! every 1000miles?

Actually, that's every 1,000 kilometers ... or about 600 miles.  Like gsJack hinted, you should probably treat that as a maximum guideline ... and lube your chain more often if it needs it.