Won't get into the details, but lets just say that my company wants to use apple laptops, and the IT manager is a mac nancy boy along with the owner's son. They buy macs for employees then they don't work with our windows based network, office documents don't look right on client computers, software does not exist on mac that companies use and demand used. I end up having to swap out the macs with windows laptops I can buy cheap on the sly. Very frustrating. I so hate Apple. I wish they would just go out of business.
Worst part is they lay off a bunch of people because money is tight, but spend 2k on a POS instead of $500 on a laptop that will actually work.
I, too, have issues with Apple. Their tech support is incredibly less than competent. My iPod took a dump a while back. I went through all of the trouble-shooting steps, and found out it was a corrupt partition in the hard drive (I use a PC, so I didn't have the Apple hard drive fixing software stuff). I told them this. They then proceeded to tell me I'd have to ship it in and pay an arm and a leg to have them DIAGNOSE it. Not fix. I took it to a friend who has a Mac, and he repartitioned the hard drive in about 5 minutes.
I now use Linux.
Rest assured that Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grave now that the company has decided to start releasing "value" products.
Quote from: Kijona on September 04, 2013, 12:40:13 PM
Rest assured that Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grave now that the company has decided to start releasing "value" products.
you mean Ashton Kutcher? :technical:
I think we're talking about Apple not Nikon. LOL
Macs are nics for at home or magazine publishing/photo editing, Ect. But in the real world environment they are no good and thus why so many companies do them use them like they do Win
I've had iPhones and iPads and I've never been impressed with their limited systems. Sure you can get around a bunch of the crop but why limit it to begin with.
I remember when Apple cried to Congress that jailbreaking was a National Security threat and should be made illegal and that even though YOU bought that $600 PoS that it technically still belonged to Apple.
BIOTCH! Is you crazy?
Quote from: Kijona on September 04, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
I think we're talking about Apple not Nikon. LOL
Twas a stab at the movie they made about steve jobs with ashton kutcher playing jobs.
i laught at those people who dont spend 5 minutes reading of what you CANT do on an Apple..all the things you can do arent practical or needed...Facebooking?Pinterest?..but people in general arent inclined to be knowledgeable. They just want convenience. I gave away a Ipad i won and my dad has dust on it. I have yet to find a use for it compared to my desktop.
I have 4 desktop PCs & 3 laptops running XP / Win7 at home, and a tablet running Android 4 - no issues at all so far with Windows 7 - easy to administer here at work with a decent server (about 80 PCs). Thankfully my company is run by accountants, so 95% is PC, and the rest is Blackberry and Iphones (execs) and a few Ipads (marketing).
I have to agree that it infuriates me to see people squander money on essentially the same x86 hardware (or crippled in terms of Apple Mobes and Tablets with their pathetic memory options vs price). My wife works for a design firm where they use Apple since the owner is young (sponsered by rich parents) and thinks "Apple is what you have to use if you do design" - buggy software and patches seem to be inconsistent between similar age Apple OS's - she hates having to reboot about 5 times a day... and she is using software designed for Apple (it runs rock solid on my home PCs)
This mentality stems from exceedingly careful marketing - you look for product placement in movies and on TV. Especially kids television.. very subversive - but we are now stuck with the image that the PC is not cool and too hard to use, so why bother.. easier not to have to think too hard (and totally fine if you view the device as an appliance).
What really annoys me has been the targeting of schools here by discounting heaviliy so they get a suite of Macs in there and get people into "using" rather than understanding how a PC or device actually works. I don't mind adults choosing between PC or mac, and I understand that a totally locked down Apple device is easier to administer than PC - the end result is these students get into the real world where PC is king at the tasks it is tailored for and have no clue about what it is capable of. Thankfully there was a strong show of support of Android based devices being more affordable, but some schools here have mandated Apple devices which is plain stupid, but appears to be schools in higher income areas.
Its a no brainer anyway... games just work on my PC.. :cheers:
School discounting started in the early Apple-IIc days. Brainwash the kids.
Apple people are like a cult. "It is great. It is GOD. Everything else is crap - why? Well, don't you know?"
Early days of CP/M .vs. Apple. The A-hole guy bragged about how the apple has all these disk repair utilities and that CP/M didn't have them. My response? "CP/M doesn't have them because it doesn't need them."
Here I am about to buy a MacBook Pro for video editing and replacing my outdated pc
Nothing really wrong with a Mac Book pro - except you have to buy a new one to replace the battery..
Would be more than acceptable for video editing however.. and I do have to admit they have decent screens on them.
That being said - how does the price compare for a i7 vs Mac Book in your neck of the woods? I could get a high spec lappy here for the price of a mid range Mac Book
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 04, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
Here I am about to buy a MacBook Pro for video editing and replacing my outdated pc
Vegas Video on a PC beats anything on a MAC.
PC's you can stack up a bunch of monitors, too. I use 3 on most of my computers. 2 is the minimum. Sometimes 4. Real easy to add monitors.
I am truly baffled that people still believe that macs are somehow superior for video editing. I hate to say, but software for pc's is every bit as good now. True Final cut is a mac only product, but there are competent competitors for PC.
...and last time I had to render videos on a imac it took forever. I ended up going to a PC, installing software and rendering the video on it before the mac was close to done. There have been a number of jobs where I would have to convert videos. When you have a bunch of 2 hour videos, speed is a factor. Apple loses miserably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Ah yes.. we cheat here at work for renders - we have a Dell PowerEdge R820 archive server that is awesome for carrying out renders..
4 x Intel Xeon E5-4600 CPUs (64 bit 8 core 2.6Ghz with 20M cache), 64Gb of RAM and about 16TB of SAS-15k drives..
overkill... but you can render at warp speeds...
Quote from: Kiwingenuity on September 04, 2013, 06:28:05 PM
Ah yes.. we cheat here at work for renders - we have a Dell PowerEdge R820 archive server that is awesome for carrying out renders..
4 x Intel Xeon E5-4600 CPUs (64 bit 8 core 2.6Ghz with 20M cache), 64Gb of RAM and about 16TB of SAS-15k drives..
overkill... but you can render at warp speeds...
You understand. When rendering many hours of videos you grab what is good and fast and use it.
Maybe Im behind on video editing s/w and such. I dont do near as much computer work as i used to and I try not to let anyone know I do anything at all or else they wanna call me with stupid questions or work on their PoS for them. It doesnt pay bills so I dont have time for it. I can build and do my own but thats my limit these days
Quote from: weedahoe on September 04, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
Maybe Im behind on video editing s/w and such. I dont do near as much computer work as i used to and I try not to let anyone know I do anything at all or else they wanna call me with stupid questions or work on their PoS for them. It doesnt pay bills so I dont have time for it. I can build and do my own but thats my limit these days
I have always been good with computers. People would do what you had happen, call and ask questions, want me to help fix their garbage...etc. About 15 years ago a friend pissed me off by asking my opinion, doing exactly what I said not to do, then begging me to fix it. I did and made a vow I would never work on a home computer again... I haven't. People ask my wife if I can help them all the time, and she said it is "my policy" not to work on other people's stuff.
The funny thing is I have fallen a bit behind on technology because I don't build my own computers any longer, but I am much better at cleaning spyware, and fixing OS related issues.
My current home build is more than adequate for rendering - and realistically anything modern, 64 bit and half decent clock rate is going to be just fine. I hardly do much editing myself, am currently using Pinnacle software for video editing and either Handbrake or EMCsoft media converter for transcoding.
Think I just spent about $500 upgrading my main PC to an AMD FX-8320 (8 core 64 bit 3Ghz CPU) and second hand Geforce 560 video card - theres some software out there which can use the GPU for rendering as well, but I havent delved too deep into it. Compared the pain and suffering of encoding video 10 years ago, most decent software will do batch jobs and in much shorter times.
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you'd best not go to Tasmania then!.. they have bazillions of apples! ;)
Macs have their place, PCs have their place. At work, I use Microsoft Office. That's about it. My Dell Latitude handles it with ease.
At home, I have an apple AirPort Extreme and an iPhone. Love them both, but for business, need windows.
For me it is time for a change. Need a better computer and better editing software and over having a desktop. Guess that's the thing eh, nearly everyone who owns apple loves them death
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 04, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
For me it is time for a change. Need a better computer and better editing software and over having a desktop. Guess that's the thing eh, nearly everyone who owns apple loves them death
Yes they do love them. ALmost with a religious ferocity. How else can they justify 3x the price for a laptop?
Look at the HP envy line of laptops.
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 04, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
... nearly everyone who owns apple loves them death
And it's always funny to talk to my friends who have switched from iPhones to Android devices, and from MacBooks to PC laptops. They all act like they were hiding under a rock. "My new phone is so much better than my old iPhone!" Yes. That's called Android. Or, "Wow, this laptop is really fast!" Yep. Twice the power for half the price. And Linux is free.
However, I will say that for those who are less than proficient in terms of technology, the Apple devices are user-friendly. It's just that they're SO user-friendly that they end up being annoying (or next to impossible) to work with if you know what you're doing. And, in my opinion, a tad over priced.
i like my ipod .. and the ipad- for just general browsing at home... even though the ipad and i have different views on a few functions and how they should work...
in the office though its intel or nothing!! .. long term familiarity with windows "xyz" means i dont get lost :thumb:
I love my iPhone and my Apple TV plus the retina iPad I got for the Missus (I forget the number it is lol so many)
What you guys say is true though the price of apple does suck that's the only bit I don't like about them
Quote from: JAS6377 on September 04, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 04, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
... nearly everyone who owns apple iphone is a moron
And it's always funny to talk to my friends who have switched from iPhones to Android devices, and from MacBooks to PC laptops. They all act like they were hiding under a rock. "My new phone is so much better than my old iPhone!" Yes. That's called Android. Or, "Wow, this laptop is really fast!" Yep. Twice the power for half the price. And Linux is free.
I absolutely positively 100% agree with you. I went from being a sworn in Apple iphone user to an android and its 1000 times better and it does everything Apple does plus sooo much more. I will NEVER use iPhone again :thumb:
Linux or the original name - unix rocks ... its where you can learn nothing for 20+ years and still be gainfully employed and yell @ people for doing stupid sheite like transporting a .gz file via email to a idiotic windows archive and keep it under "version control" ... and then 10 mins before the deployment is due "send it" to you ... which will be completely corrupted and unuseable ... I'd deploy it anyway, frustrate everyone by doing exactly as they say ... and tell them you know, we have this file "staged" way back when we sent it to be under version control ... may be that script will run ...
Looking like a genius without throwing the idiot manager under the bus is my speciality ...
Cool.
Buddha.
I also believe Apple ruined Adobe flash for mobile devices. Their hard stance about not allowing flash on their devices obviously forces content providers to move away from flash for mobile devices -because ipad and iphone users would complain.
Apple is evil. They even had the balls to complain to the government that jailbreaking their iphones should be illegal. Really? I just love that you buy their product and they feel they can dictate what you can do with it.
So you won't be seeing the movie 'jobs' then I take it John?
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 06, 2013, 01:39:27 AM
So you won't be seeing the movie 'jobs' then I take it John?
No f%$king way.
Awwwwwwww
C'mon Johhny!! Then we can run a book on how long it takes till you stand up in the cinema and start ranting .. Or walk out in a rage! ;)
I bet 5 min :whisper:
Geez ... It's long odds for that!! ... Was thinking of starting it with ... 'During the cinema self promos' ... 'During the previews' ... Kinda thing ;)
Nah start from the movie itself
We gotta get him to agree first!! .. And need a reputable 3rd party to monitor and report!? ;)
Addy where are ya when we need you we need a cat.
I don't think a cat can properly operate a stopwatch?!
Dunno addy can tell imus when he posts up lol.
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 06, 2013, 03:44:20 AM
I bet 5 min :whisper:
5 minutes? Doubtful. The first squeal of delight by a mac nancy boy would make me fly into a fit of tourette's. The way those people lined up to eat the sheat coming out of his ass ...I can hear the squeals of delight already.
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Interesting optical illusion you've got going on there Adidas. Looks like the iPad is sitting on rails way above the floor.
Quote from: john on September 04, 2013, 09:01:53 PM
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 04, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
For me it is time for a change. Need a better computer and better editing software and over having a desktop. Guess that's the thing eh, nearly everyone who owns apple loves them death
i dont see the justification of charging 3 times the price for same hardware nowadays. i can build my own mac aka hackintosh. WITH warranty support.
Yes they do love them. ALmost with a religious ferocity. How else can they justify 3x the price for a laptop?
Look at the HP envy line of laptops.
Quote from: john on September 06, 2013, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: slipperymongoose on September 06, 2013, 03:44:20 AM
I bet 5 min :whisper:
5 minutes? Doubtful. The first squeal of delight by a mac nancy boy would make me fly into a fit of tourette's. The way those people lined up to eat the sheat coming out of his ass ...I can hear the squeals of delight already.
baahahahhaha.. oh my ribs!! .. you tell em Sir John!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :thumb:
And I have gone the complete opposite direction, I'm sick of tinkering with windows I just want my laptop to work. I have 2 pieces of software at work that has to have windows, SSMS and BIDS, I have a VM for them but more often than not I just run them from my management server console. A subscription security package I use for network auditing and compliance checks did not have a windows version for the longest time it looks like they just released one but are having issues with it. Most of my time is spent using client terminal connections to servers and i have a 5250 client for accessing my iSeries and an RDP client to access my windows servers. The only thing i do miss is not having SQL management studio on my native laptop OS.
MS offers office for Mac, but I have had zero issues with any spreadsheet, word document or power point done on the macbook, and saved in the Office XML format, after all that's why office 07 went XML was for cross platform compatibility, my wife edits her her presentations for her classes with keynote on her iPad, occasionally there are some anomalous when she is not at home.
The mobile flash did not die solely because of apples refusal to run it, It was bloated, buggy, inefficient and Adobe themselves were sick of trying to get it to work properly. It sucked on my android and was never right, every time I changed OS versions on android it seemed like we had to wait for Adobe to tweak it again. For cross platform development across mobile OS's HTML5 offers a much more consistent standard implementation Here it is in their own words.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/11/why-mobile-flash-died-an-adobe-employee-speaks-out/
I do have a screaming windows 7 rig at home for gaming with SLI video cards it'll rip a full length blu ray in under an hour, and utilizing the cores on the cards makes for extremely fast video rendering.
Outside of Adobe and Micro Snot products licensing fees for OSX applications tends to be less expensive as well.
And this will really blow your mind. You know MS is changing their developer licensing strategy and adopting the apple model for applications requiring them to run sand boxed? Something apple has done for years.
Quote from: bettingpython on September 12, 2013, 07:48:49 AM
And I have gone the complete opposite direction, I'm sick of tinkering with windows I just want my laptop to work. I have 2 pieces of software at work that has to have windows, SSMS and BIDS, I have a VM for them but more often than not I just run them from my management server console. A subscription security package I use for network auditing and compliance checks did not have a windows version for the longest time it looks like they just released one but are having issues with it. Most of my time is spent using client terminal connections to servers and i have a 5250 client for accessing my iSeries and an RDP client to access my windows servers. The only thing i do miss is not having SQL management studio on my native laptop OS.
MS offers office for Mac, but I have had zero issues with any spreadsheet, word document or power point done on the macbook, and saved in the Office XML format, after all that's why office 07 went XML was for cross platform compatibility, my wife edits her her presentations for her classes with keynote on her iPad, occasionally there are some anomalous when she is not at home.
The mobile flash did not die solely because of apples refusal to run it, It was bloated, buggy, inefficient and Adobe themselves were sick of trying to get it to work properly. It sucked on my android and was never right, every time I changed OS versions on android it seemed like we had to wait for Adobe to tweak it again. For cross platform development across mobile OS's HTML5 offers a much more consistent standard implementation Here it is in their own words.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/11/why-mobile-flash-died-an-adobe-employee-speaks-out/
I do have a screaming windows 7 rig at home for gaming with SLI video cards it'll rip a full length blu ray in under an hour, and utilizing the cores on the cards makes for extremely fast video rendering.
Outside of Adobe and Micro Snot products licensing fees for OSX applications tends to be less expensive as well.
And this will really blow your mind. You know MS is changing their developer licensing strategy and adopting the apple model for applications requiring them to run sand boxed? Something apple has done for years.
Dammit my friend. im drooling for a home gaming rig. had that drool under control now its raging again lol. after i sold quadzilla, everything else was slow compared to it. lol.