So I posted once about something I thought I was missing, but thought that I might as well fully introduce myself.
This is my first street bike, but I rode motocross bikes for about 8 years. I was mostly riding two stroke 125's, but did ride some 250 4 strokes.
This one is a 2004 GS500F with 7628 miles on it. I picked it up for 1200 because the carbs needed rebuilt. And when I say needed rebuilt, they were spitting fuel out of the intake side of the carbs. I took those apart, cleaned them, and redid the floats in them. But, i accidentally stepped on the diaphragm cap breaking one of the vacuum ports off. I wasn't worried until I went to the Suzuki dealer and they told me that you had to buy the entire cap which put me at about 96 bucks :icon_eek:. Right now I'm looking to keep it sort of stock until at least after the winter. I have to fuel two obsessions now, so splitting money between the two is a little bit of a challenge :icon_razz:.
Here's what I started with: (http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130906_172023_900_zps04af83dd.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130906_172023_900_zps04af83dd.jpg.html)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130906_171920_620_zpsd4a7ca29.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130906_171920_620_zpsd4a7ca29.jpg.html)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130906_171939_159_zps986b307f.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130906_171939_159_zps986b307f.jpg.html)
And what it looks like until I get the cap and side fairings put on
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130908_184232_387_zps34804a6e.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130908_184232_387_zps34804a6e.jpg.html)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130908_184244_670_zps71d6e17e.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130908_184244_670_zps71d6e17e.jpg.html)
Here is a question for everyone too. I got my bike mostly back together except this little drain tube fell out and this is where the bottom of it was. It's not the battery drain or the air box drain, does anyone know what it goes to?
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130908_184259_758_zps7fe8695e.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130908_184259_758_zps7fe8695e.jpg.html)
I have some goodies coming in the mail hopefully by the middle of this week so I will post more pictures once I have all of that stuff together.
And my other obsession that I have
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/2012-10-06_13-37-18_724_zps15ad368b.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/2012-10-06_13-37-18_724_zps15ad368b.jpg.html)
I really enjoy reading on this forum and am glad to now own something that I can post about!
good job brother..i wish you would have kept it white!
it wasn't white and the paint was pretty beat up. It was originally yellow from factory, then the guy painted it silver and laid it down on both sides so the yellow was showing through. I got it, sanded it down, and the plastics weren't worth it to try to leave silver so now flat black.
Good luck mate putting all back together - I can't help with that hose though other then I have a couple too that are tied together with the overflow fuel hose
Not certain with the hose... It may be the fuel filler overflow? ... The end up in the bike ... Where does it lead?
Well I know it's under the airbox and attaches up there some where. The bottom of it was a little oily, but there isn't a clamp on either end.
That hose is probably the gas tank vacuum/vent hose. There will be a little nipple on the bottom of the gas tank, about 2-3" away from the tank petcock, to which it attaches. Either that, or it's the air box vent hose. I wouldn't know too much about that, though. I took my air box out a while ago lol.
I learned the other week that the air box hose has that funny 'duckbill' tip on it ... To help with function of carbs because its between air filter and carbs?? ... Anyway .. Duckbill = airbox ... Battery overflow runs down from behind that vertical frame piece near the battery box (duh to me!) .. So unless its an extremely long replacement hose for some part of the vacuum system then yes it has to connect to the 'lonely' spigot/nipple under the tank I think?
I'll try to post some more pictures of it later. I must be missing something because I thought another tube connected the that piece.
pics ftw :thumb:
That hose looks about the right width (difficult to tell by the blurry pic though) for the airbox drain, but the airbox drain is supposed to have a cap type thing like janx describes. The other hose that goes down to that location is the tank overflow/vent, but its a skinnier tube than that looks in the pic... the tank overflow fits on the nipple under the tank which is about 1/4" ID or so.
It does look 'precurved' so that should be a good clue for being one mentioned thus far.
- Bboy
So I think that that might be right for which one it is, but that raises another question. If you are looking at the carbs from airbox side there is a vent tube that connects to a filter from the airbox side. Then there is a hose behind that is engine side. Where does that hose connect too? I have this drain tube and that one unhooked, and I can't find a diagram for where this goes?? On this diagram it's number 49 I believe. I have the tube from the top diaphragms connected but now I'm not sure where this one goes. http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Main.2003-current (http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Main.2003-current)
I took a few more shots with the fairings back on now, still waiting on more packages though.
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130910_235459_415_zps352e8149.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130910_235459_415_zps352e8149.jpg.html)
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130910_235515_467_zps1f1c366c.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130910_235515_467_zps1f1c366c.jpg.html)
I'll try to get better pictures of the tube I'm talking about tonight. The ones I tried to take weren't clear enough to tell where they were coming from.
okay so I got everything put back together and now this is happening...
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/th_GS500Frunningproblems_zps2fd8bf64.jpg) (http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/GS500Frunningproblems_zps2fd8bf64.mp4)
Anybody know what is going on with it?
Alright so I think that my problem running is with this hose here. I can't find out where it goes even with my haynes manual. Here are the better pictures of it. I need to correct myself from the other post where I said it was engine side. The hose that is off is on airbox side.
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130914_122633_502_zps164bfabd.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130914_122633_502_zps164bfabd.jpg.html)
It's the one I'm pointing to
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130914_122622_856_zps0e82eef5.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130914_122622_856_zps0e82eef5.jpg.html)
This the size of it
(http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u381/Thegreengoblin18/IMG_20130914_123818_705_zps5a29e50d.jpg) (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/Thegreengoblin18/media/IMG_20130914_123818_705_zps5a29e50d.jpg.html)
Any help would be awesome. I'm stuck here and really don't want to take it in somewhere to have them tell me it's something simple.
That hose runs over the aibox and is screwed down by the original airfilter and hangs down between air box and battery ,,, vent hose.
Anyone have any ideas on the video I posted about what's going on with it?
I'm no mechanic sorry it sure doesn't sound good on idle but seems to stop when you ref it a little...lets hope adidasman comes online
Yea I just really don't want to have to take it in somewhere and it be something simple. It only makes that noise under about 700 rpms. I put a different pair or carburetors in it thinking that was it, and it helped slightly. I just didn't know if anyone else had the same problems and knew what was wrong so I could either have it fixed or do it along withy my trusty Haynes manual.
The proper idle speed for a GS is around 1200. Below that, you're probably going to see odd noises. Unless you meant 7000...
I can't see the video on my phone right now, unfortunately, but if it's happening only at idle, I'd assume it's the pilot circuit. Check the pilot jets and mixture screws, and make sure nothing is clogged. Also, make sure the choke cable is working properly. If it's stuck open a bit, it could make the bike run richer and bog it down a bit.
The carbs were completely clean and the choke is closed. It doesn't really run better with the choke open. Yea it only makes that noise when it's about it die and I keep it running with throttle. So yea it was 700 haha. It doesn't really bog down until a it starts getting to low in RPMs, and then I don't try to rev it up fast enough. Then once it does it does die it won't start again. I called a place that is going to pick it up on Tuesday unless I can figure it out.
I can't watch the video too well, but the bit I did get to see.... it honestly just acted like it was cold and needed choke. Is the choke circuit hooked up? Is it working properly (spring in right position)? ... I believe the choke circuit is commonly missed when cleaning carbs, too.
Another member mentioned idle/pilot circuit... that one is commonly missed when cleaning for sure... if its bad enough some folks use a thin wire to help clear it, then compressed air... the manual and many carb cleaning guides recommend against using wire because it can 'bore' out the passage if not carefully done... but sometimes its about the only way to get the gunk out of those small circuits.
- Bboy
It does it even when warm and all of the circuits were very clean. The floats needed barley adjusted and I did the float test check and it was spot on.
Hmm, go with the a top-down approach... ensure adequate fuel at all stops... from tank to petcock to carbs to engine... then look at electrical... then look at compression
While checking fuel, you need to check air... ensure the air filter isn't blocked, ensure you don't have the opposite - a big air gap.
Just gotta take it step by step, rule things out, then move to the next...
- Bboy
Edit: Video loaded better this time... it sounds like there is a clacking noise? ... and it seems it takes time to come down when you blip the throttle. So I would be checking for air leaks based on that. Check around the carb boots, as that's the most common spot... but use WD40 and spray all around the carbs to test for it... if there is a change in rpms with the spray, then there is an air leak.
The clack makes me think of an exhaust leak though, and I'm not sure how that would affect it other than the sound... maybe someone can answer that for us?
So I checked had gas in all the lines and it didn't change when I turned it to prime. It has a brand new air filter and brand new fuel. I spayed with carb cleaner and wd40 around all of the boots/vacuum hoses. I was going to take my exhaust off to sand and reaping but only got 1 bolt from each side off before I decided to not do it, so I think the exhaust is tight now. I don't have a compression tester, but I might try to do that this weekend. Anything else I should try? I also have replaced spark plugs too. And thanks for all your ideas, even if I thought I've checked it's always good to have someone else tell me to do it again!
So I was able to obtain an engine. I bought a 2000 with 1200 miles on it. I was going to see if someone could direct me to a thread that has someone who put an older engine into a new frame with everything from but the motor from the newer year bike, such as gauges, and coils and everything like that. I couldn't find one when I searched.
man, it just looks like you need to turn your idle speed up after warm.
The main bearing blew apart in that engine. When you turned the idle up, and then revved it it would rev up to over 4000 and wouldn't come down, then when you tried to back it down to the 1200 where it's supposed to be at it wouldn't stay there and would just die. I took it into a shop to have them look at it, and that's what happened.
The 2000 engine is exactly the same as the 2004 engine. its a Buddha Loves You to get the engine in and out no matter what year it is. you just have to be patient and puzzle it in like one of those 3D block mind-f%$k puzzles.
Sorry about your first engine, someone must have forgotten to check the oil. or change it ever.
theres a simple trick to get the engine out using an old bed mattress. works fairly well
Alright cool, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't have to change any wiring or anything like that. Yea it was kinda a pain to get the old engine out. And it was from gas getting into the crankcase and as we all know, gas doesn't lubricate anything like oil does.
So the motor was shipped today, and he also had a headlight with bucket and brackets from a 2001. So since my fairings were pretty cracked and rough, I'm deciding to take them off and turn it into an "E" until I can either find new fairings, or fix my old ones.
Before it gets here just some small questions.
What should I put on the header bolts to keep them from seizing up? The last bolts from my old motor I had to drill out. Which also means I have to find new ones to put on.
Is there any prep work that I should do to my frame before I put the new engine in?
I have a brand new front and rear tire that need to be put on. Does anyone know how to break beads or possible to do with hand tools? Or does anyone know where to get a cheap tire changer?
Okay so I got the 2001 engine today and there are a couple questions I have:
I was reading and someone said that you have to change the pickups over. What exactly does that mean?
My 2004 engine had a electric tachometer, but it looks like this one has a mechanical (ie. cord in the front of the engine case). Do I need to do anything with that?
Should I change the sprocket from the old engine over to the new one?
Anything else I should be looking out for or do when I'm switching it over?
I have taken an engine out and rebuilt one in other bikes, but never an engine swap so any help I can get is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Quote from: 04GSFAM on October 30, 2013, 11:26:05 PM
Okay so I got the 2001 engine today and there are a couple questions I have:
I was reading and someone said that you have to change the pickups over. What exactly does that mean?
My 2004 engine had a electric tachometer, but it looks like this one has a mechanical (ie. cord in the front of the engine case). Do I need to do anything with that?
Should I change the sprocket from the old engine over to the new one?
Anything else I should be looking out for or do when I'm switching it over?
I have taken an engine out and rebuilt one in other bikes, but never an engine swap so any help I can get is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
You can just put your old ignition in the new engine including the pickup rotor (this will be found behind the round cover on the right of your engine considering you drive it.
The 2004+ engine has a diverend
The pickup for the tacho has to stay at its place otherwise it will leak oil (just remove the cable if it is still in place by turning it clockwise).
I hope this helps you.
Yes the does help quite a bit. Thank you!
Anyone have tips to get the new motor in? I have it almost in there, but I can't quite get the motor mounts to line up. I have it on a jack and trying to wiggle it in, but not having any luck.
Alright everything is in place, had gas in the tank, full charged battery, and fresh rear tire (tyre). Turned it on lights all worked and showed in neutral. Pressed the start button and nothing. No clocking or anything. Lights didn't flicker like it was drawing power. So I checked all connections and everything looked good. Anyone have ideas on what's with that? Again thanks for everyone's help.
Okay so went back today and was able to get it to turn over by shorting the solenoid, but even with they key on it doesn't run. I checked with the search tool, and I thought with the key on it should start.