http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/02/20789002-eight-killed-14-injured-as-church-bus-overturns-in-tennessee?lite
Guess they didnt pray hard enough or the ones that died didnt give the church enough donations. :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: codajastal on October 02, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
Guess they didnt pray hard enough or the ones that died didnt give the church enough donations. :icon_rolleyes:
seriously?
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"God works in mysterious ways"
"God has a plan"
"God is testing us"
I think god would get more followers if he were to make a big presence in the sky and announce "Here I am. I am God".
However,those statements provide comfort to those in time of disaster so who am I to criticize their beliefs? To each his/her own.
Quote from: codajastal on October 02, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
Guess they didnt pray hard enough or the ones that died didnt give the church enough donations. :icon_rolleyes:
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i'm with you Ross :thumb:
This happened like 70 miles east from me. Lately there have been a lot of wrecks over there.
im about 40 miles from the scene. our county rolled its rescue squads there as well. not far after exit ( wanting to say 423? im not far from exit 380 ( down 75 merge with 40 nearly there. ) didn't realize this would cause so much hostility had I known, id not have posted it. :cry: :angel:i posted it cause this was cause by a blowout on the steer tire of a commercial vehicle ( the bus) at interstate speed ( roughly 65) you almost always lose steering control when this happens. I posted this because I hope people would take things seriously and realize a freak blowout, can happen and ruin your day. or worse. didn't think id see the comments I did. that being said. ill say no more.
Aaron
Quote from: RossLH on October 02, 2013, 07:14:12 PM
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Hahahahahaha LMFAO :thumb:
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ok .. i was gonna keep a low profile earlier... but now i have a headache and feel ornery!! .. i took the cat gif to mean "im keeping my head down and not getting mixed up in this shitfight" :dunno_black: .. tis a funny look for the kitty though .. ;)
and i am not a churchy in any way .. :nono: :icon_twisted:
.. but i still think that accident is a sad thing! ... a whole heap of someones grandparents are either gone or real hurt ... whether they are rabid biblebangers, or born agains , or scientiologists , or quiet folk that 'just go to church on sundays' , or buddhists ... and yes even if they were bloody afghanistan moslems!! ...
it doesnt look as though they were travelling the country selling their beliefs to any that will listen .. or haranguing folks that wasnt listening...
it was a "members of the Young at Heart program for senior citizens" ... a day trip or weekend away maybe ... just a social outing...
the comments with the reverend from their church ... yeah ok... he wasnt all up with the 'hallelujah brother we need you to send your funds for our bereaved families.. call 1800 GIMME" ... he seems to be just saying whats happening,, that their community and families are gathering together to get information and grieve ...
im pretty sure i grieve too when i lose a family member ...
:dunno_black: ... its hard sometimes... and now im just ranting i guess... but while i pretty much detest the whole church on sundays and religious thing... if they dont hassle me then im fine with that!! ... and i leave them alone too!! ... i'll Buddha Loves You and moan online that the jehovahs witness or mormons were at the door AGAIN!!!!!!!! .... but thats because they hassle me!! ..
and im sorry ... but i do think that flashing straight into 'well they cant have donated enough money to god' thing is just a tiny bit harsh eh?! ...
if they were strict atheists and just going home from a physics convention then i dont think they would have crashed "because they didnt listen to and understand the 'kinetic energy in motor vehicles and potential fatal consequences' seminar????
poor show! :icon_neutral:
Quote from: Janx101 on October 03, 2013, 12:49:44 AM
ok .. i was gonna keep a low profile earlier... but now i have a headache and feel ornery!! .. i took the cat gif to mean "im keeping my head down and not getting mixed up in this shitfight" :dunno_black: .. tis a funny look for the kitty though .. ;)
and i am not a churchy in any way .. :nono: :icon_twisted:
.. but i still think that accident is a sad thing! ... a whole heap of someones grandparents are either gone or real hurt ... whether they are rabid biblebangers, or born agains , or scientiologists , or quiet folk that 'just go to church on sundays' , or buddhists ... and yes even if they were bloody afghanistan moslems!! ...
it doesnt look as though they were travelling the country selling their beliefs to any that will listen .. or haranguing folks that wasnt listening...
it was a "members of the Young at Heart program for senior citizens" ... a day trip or weekend away maybe ... just a social outing...
the comments with the reverend from their church ... yeah ok... he wasnt all up with the 'hallelujah brother we need you to send your funds for our bereaved families.. call 1800 GIMME" ... he seems to be just saying whats happening,, that their community and families are gathering together to get information and grieve ...
im pretty sure i grieve too when i lose a family member ...
:dunno_black: ... its hard sometimes... and now im just ranting i guess... but while i pretty much detest the whole church on sundays and religious thing... if they dont hassle me then im fine with that!! ... and i leave them alone too!! ... i'll Buddha Loves You and moan online that the jehovahs witness or mormons were at the door AGAIN!!!!!!!! .... but thats because they hassle me!! ..
and im sorry ... but i do think that flashing straight into 'well they cant have donated enough money to god' thing is just a tiny bit harsh eh?! ...
if they were strict atheists and just going home from a physics convention then i dont think they would have crashed "because they didnt listen to and understand the 'kinetic energy in motor vehicles and potential fatal consequences' seminar????
poor show! :icon_neutral:
HTFU :flipoff:
May have been poor taste but it was a joke. Some Aussies deal with situations like that with humour.
Get the f%$k over it.
Quote from: Janx101 on October 03, 2013, 12:49:44 AM
i'll Buddha Loves You and moan online that the jehovahs witness or mormons were at the door AGAIN!!!!!!!! .... but thats because they hassle me!! ..
I used to be the same but then I asked myself one day. Could I do that? Walk from door to door being constantly rejected and ranted at because Jesus told them to go from door to door and still smile at me when they rock up on my door step?
HELL NO (pardon the pun) They must have a lot of faith in their religion and that is more than I have. So I am a bit nicer these days with a polite "Not interested. You have a nice day"
But back to the bus crash. No one deserves to die that way but time and unforeseen occurrence can be a b1tch. I hope they rest in peace.
Quote from: Twisted on October 03, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
Walk from door to door being constantly rejected and ranted at because Jesus told them to go from door to door
Jesus NEVER told anyone to go door to door?
http://rcg.org/questions/p070.a.html
Does God command Christians to go from door to door preaching the gospel?
Based on a quick reading and misinterpretation of Acts 20:20, many believe that the apostle Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom from house to house, to those who were unconverted. But when the entire paragraph is read, starting in verse 17, the proper meaning can be understood.
Paul "sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the Church," saying to them, "I...have taught you publicly, and from house to house." He taught the Church leaders in their own homes. Paul did not go from house to house, teaching whomever answered his knock at the door.
At his own hired house in Rome, Paul "received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God," which Christ had commanded him to preach (Acts 28:30-31). Christ had personally taught the gospel to Paul (I Cor. 15:8; Gal. 1:11-2:2). One of Christ's teachings was that we are not to force our beliefs on anyone (Matt. 7:6). This makes clear that Paul did not try to convert people by preaching from house to house. His public teachings were carried out mainly in the Jewish synagogues.
Acts 2:46 is another widely misunderstood verse: "And they [the twelve apostles and other disciples], continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness." It is important to note that these individuals were unified. They continued daily with "one accord." They all believed the same things. This scripture is describing people who ate together, just as someone might invite friends and close acquaintances to his home for a meal and fellowship. These verses make no mention of Church members going out of their way to preach the gospel to strangers.
In this particular circumstance, many from different nations had gathered at Jerusalem to keep Pentecost, one of God's annual feasts. Since they had traveled a great distance and had no home in Jerusalem, the Jerusalem brethren invited them to their homes to eat. (The King James Version of the Bible uses the term "breaking bread" to signify eating a meal.) Converted Christians were eating in the homes of other converted Christians—they were not preaching in the homes of unconverted individuals or families.
In Luke 10:5-7, we find direct instruction from Christ not to preach from house to house: "And into whatsoever house you enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house." Christians should never be out trying to force anyone to accept the truth of the Bible. Christ showed that God's Word is too valuable and precious for us to flaunt carelessly (Matt. 7:6). We are instructed to "let your light so shine before men" (Matt. 5:16). A light does not make noise. Therefore, Christians are to teach by their examples.
Quote from: codajastal on October 03, 2013, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: Twisted on October 03, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
Walk from door to door being constantly rejected and ranted at because Jesus told them to go from door to door
Jesus NEVER told anyone to go door to door?
http://rcg.org/questions/p070.a.html
Does God command Christians to go from door to door preaching the gospel?
Based on a quick reading and misinterpretation of Acts 20:20, many believe that the apostle Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom from house to house, to those who were unconverted. But when the entire paragraph is read, starting in verse 17, the proper meaning can be understood.
Paul "sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the Church," saying to them, "I...have taught you publicly, and from house to house." He taught the Church leaders in their own homes. Paul did not go from house to house, teaching whomever answered his knock at the door.
At his own hired house in Rome, Paul "received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God," which Christ had commanded him to preach (Acts 28:30-31). Christ had personally taught the gospel to Paul (I Cor. 15:8; Gal. 1:11-2:2). One of Christ's teachings was that we are not to force our beliefs on anyone (Matt. 7:6). This makes clear that Paul did not try to convert people by preaching from house to house. His public teachings were carried out mainly in the Jewish synagogues.
Acts 2:46 is another widely misunderstood verse: "And they [the twelve apostles and other disciples], continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness." It is important to note that these individuals were unified. They continued daily with "one accord." They all believed the same things. This scripture is describing people who ate together, just as someone might invite friends and close acquaintances to his home for a meal and fellowship. These verses make no mention of Church members going out of their way to preach the gospel to strangers.
In this particular circumstance, many from different nations had gathered at Jerusalem to keep Pentecost, one of God's annual feasts. Since they had traveled a great distance and had no home in Jerusalem, the Jerusalem brethren invited them to their homes to eat. (The King James Version of the Bible uses the term "breaking bread" to signify eating a meal.) Converted Christians were eating in the homes of other converted Christians—they were not preaching in the homes of unconverted individuals or families.
In Luke 10:5-7, we find direct instruction from Christ not to preach from house to house: "And into whatsoever house you enter, first say, Peace be to this house. And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again. And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house." Christians should never be out trying to force anyone to accept the truth of the Bible. Christ showed that God's Word is too valuable and precious for us to flaunt carelessly (Matt. 7:6). We are instructed to "let your light so shine before men" (Matt. 5:16). A light does not make noise. Therefore, Christians are to teach by their examples.
My post was not meant to start a debate on religion. It is what
I think. Back in your box with ya. (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/icecreamhands/whip.gif) (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/icecreamhands/media/whip.gif.html)
Furthermore I apologize if I offended anyone with that poor joke as it was out of line BUT in my defence I NEVER actually read the article just the headline and that was the first thing that came to mind.
Again I hope the families are ok and I apologise. :thumb:
Quote from: codajastal on October 03, 2013, 01:20:06 AM
HTFU :flipoff:
May have been poor taste but it was a joke. Some Aussies deal with situations like that with humour.
Get the f%$k over it.
ok fair call.... :thumb: ... have done the same myself with the humour thing..
Quote from: codajastal on October 03, 2013, 02:03:08 AM
in my defence I NEVER actually read the article just the headline and that was the first thing that came to mind.
twas the nearly the first thing i thought of also... but looked through the news thing and went fark! .. thats bad eh! ... NOT saying that im 'righter' cos i read it first .. just that i get the point you make! :)
Quote from: Twisted on October 03, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
So I am a bit nicer these days with a polite "Not interested. You have a nice day"
yeah thats a fair call also... i'm usually polite .. just a 'no thanks' ... the JoHo's though do tend to come back every fortnight 'in case anyone in the house has changed their mind' ... had a little polite sign up on the door for a bit... "no religious encourangement needed, thank you." ... but they actually took it down!! ... i saw the buggers through the curtains!! ... that was a 'not so polite' engagement :icon_rolleyes:
.. still.... them is them and me is me.... i dont care or worry if they want to do their thing... just leave me to do my thing! :thumb:
They were from statesville nc, 20 miles away. How did they get to the opposite side with a blown tire ? the news has been saying that all day yesterday and today.
Cool.
Buddha.
Act of God. Bad tire. Whatever the reason is, it is a tragedy.
Report today. the drivers tire had a catastrophic failure aka a blowout. driver was a cdl license, ( A with passenger endorsement. as was his wife. these things do happen unfortunately. an act of GOD?, im not sure. however when a tire a steer tire blows ona 40k lb vehicle and the rim digs in, it WILL pull you in that direction. looking at the pictures in todays paper, once bus was uprighed, id say the passengers, were at the front of the bus. it was largely empty. anyhoo, theweight of the passengers, id say 200lbs each, was 16 of them? total on bus, that weight, plus vehicle weight over the steer tires, = bad. ive had one blow in a 97 peterbilt 379 pulling a transcraft eagle trailer. was only 25mph roughly. it was still hell. cause even at that speed it dug in. limped truck into facility lot ( destination) and crew came and changed it. ( and wheel. ) GOD rest their souls, and those who were injured, and those who were there. if I had a way out there, id go help anyway I could.
Terrible thing to happen. I remember back in the 90's down here there used to be a major bus crash with a few ppl killed nearly every month. A major push then came on for seatbelts in busses. I dunno all the details if the bus had seabelts of not but this is sad.
Quote from: slipperymongoose on October 05, 2013, 03:04:32 AM
Terrible thing to happen. I remember back in the 90's down here there used to be a major bus crash with a few ppl killed nearly every month. A major push then came on for seatbelts in busses. I dunno all the details if the bus had seabelts of not but this is sad.
I don't think they do here.
i know some buses have seatbelts. mainly the tour buses. not required to wear though. and rarely used. also those are mainly 80's era looking lap belts. not really effective. i do hope those that passed, didnt suffer. and those that were injured, heal quickly.
:( :sad: