Hi Guys,
I'm after new tyres and am of course leaning towards Sport Demon's as these seem to be the most recommended. Came across these Michelin's which look like they're fairly new (June 2013 release), and also come in our standard sizes.. anyone got any experience with these?
Cheers,
Sasha
Hi!
I'd also be interested in some info about these tyres.
Sooo, anyone? :)
Edit: Hmm, maybe one of the mods could move this thread to the general discussion?
I have these on mine, maybe 100km since they were put on.
I noticed once they were scrubbed in that they have quite a good amount of grip, very sticky. The mechanic that recommended these said they would be good as a general commuter/weekend rider tyre. Apparently i'll get a decent amount of km/s out of them as well, ended up costing 350 AUD for them fitted and balanced (that's front and back)
Sounds good! Thanks for the info. :)
Maybe you could check back after a few thousand km, how you like them in the long run? If I'm not asking too much, of course :oops:
Hmmm all I see on the Michelin site is Michelin Pilot Road and Michelin Pilot Activ, no Street?
I see the "Activ" is aimed at the GS500 and the sizes they have listed include good sizes for my 450 as well.
Are these the ones being talked about? If so, I'd be keen on a review as I have to compromise with sizes on the Sport Demons... even though I love how they grip...
No, the Activ is their bias tire and has been around a few years. The Pilot Streets are a new radial that comes in 110/70-17 front and 130/70-17 and 140/70-17 rear sizes in US. They are not on Michelin US site yet but are on UK site with incomplete info.
http://moto.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-pilot-street
i do like the look of those!! .. and they are radial !!..
still love my SD's .. but ... ya never know...
:thumb:
That variant in gsJack's link is the bias version. Yep, they come with the same profile (and sizes, I think), cost around the same, but if 'Radial' is not directly displayed in the name, then it's the bias version! Not saying that's any worse, just FYI.
I think you are right on that Michelin UK link Atesz792. The ones in the sizes I mentioned that are for sale here are radials. Here's a typical link for them at BikeBandit. Product details states radial construction as do other links here for same tires.
http://www.bikebandit.com/michelin-pilot-street-motorcycle-tire
I went to Michelin France site and for the Pilot Streets it lists a bunch of sizes including the three I mentioned above but the others are narrower tires of various diameters and the construction is not clear (I don't speak French). Looks like a mix of bias and radial tires?
I have a pdf somewhere (or I just read it online and forgot to save it), with Michelin's 'New for 2013' products. Seems like the radial version is the one that gets more media attention, and the bias one is marketed for 'small utility motorcycles & scooters, urban use'.
I don't know if there's any difference in their compound... maybe just marketing purposes (that they make the commercials for the radial version). I know the radials should be (=handle) better, why I'm saying all this is because I looked at their pricing and the bias one costs 15% more, so I don't really understand Michelin now.
Found it in the meantime:
http://www.google.hu/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michelin.com%2Fcorporate%2Fcontent%2FnewsAndPress%2Fproducts_and_services%2FTires%2FSix-new-tires-reflecting-the-same-strategy-MICHELIN-Total-Performance.pdf&ei=YH69UouKC6T0yAO67YHABg&usg=AFQjCNHdi8v0p5_I5ia8V5qnn20Gcq7d5Q&sig2=_GaiK1OLXhMx__p_oa46PQ (http://www.google.hu/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.michelin.com%2Fcorporate%2Fcontent%2FnewsAndPress%2Fproducts_and_services%2FTires%2FSix-new-tires-reflecting-the-same-strategy-MICHELIN-Total-Performance.pdf&ei=YH69UouKC6T0yAO67YHABg&usg=AFQjCNHdi8v0p5_I5ia8V5qnn20Gcq7d5Q&sig2=_GaiK1OLXhMx__p_oa46PQ)
Took another look at Michelin FR site and found a listing of the Pilot Street Radials we are getting here in US now:
http://moto.michelin.fr/pneus/michelin-pilot-street-radial#dim
A look at their application dropdown shows they list both the bias Activs and the Pilot Street Radials for the GS500E/F bikes:
http://moto.michelin.fr/pneus/michelin-pilot-street#compatibility
A listing of their full range of Pilot Streets doesn't show if they are bias or radial but I assume these are all bias tires:
http://moto.michelin.fr/pneus/michelin-pilot-street#dim
As far as I can recall this is the first tire maker to recommend a radial tire fitment for the GS500s although I've used radials off and on for years. I think I'll move this to general discussion, might be of interest to more members that don't check her.
Interesting, I'll have to look further into it when I'm not on my phone and see if they have 90/90-18 front and 100/90-18 rear for my 450... I think the profile is too pointy with the 100/90-18 front and 110/90-18 rear I have to use with the SD's.
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One thing I would be concerned about is that the bikes listed seem to be 125's which would make weight an issue. I recently fitted a Pilot Sporty to my GS and only saw that it was mainly for 125's and 250's after I'd bought it (stupid I know). 5000kms later and its almost smooth. While the speed rating is fine, the weight is borderline for the GS and I think that is what has killed it off. Just something to consider.
Pilot Sporty's would definitely be a no go...
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I have just returned from overseas this afternoon and just before I went (30 days ago) I fitted a 140/70/17 Pilot Street Radial as a replacement for the original BT45R. I wanted to fit a 140/70/17 Pilot Active as I have them on my Honda and have been very happy with them but the 140/70/17 size has been deleted and replaced with the Pilot Street Radial in Oz. I have not even ridden the bike with the new tyre yet so I cannot comment on it but hope to ride it in the next few days. I have a track day at Phillip Island on the 10th of Feb and hope to try it out there if the weather is not unkind. From memory (I may be wrong) I think that the Pilot Active was not made in 130/70/17 and neither is the new Pilot Street Radial. Also from memory, the PSR is not made in 110/70/17 for the front, 120/70 is the smallest. As I said, I have just returned and checked this forum so I have not had time to confirm the sizes. Correct me if I am wrong.
Macka
Pilot Street Radials available in US in 110/70, 130/70, and 140/70 sizes and that's only sizes listed on French site, not on US site yet but dealers have them.
http://moto.michelin.fr/pneus/michelin-pilot-street-radial#dim
Activs available here in both 130/70 and 140/70 sizes.
Thanks for that feedback GSJack. Different sizes for different markets. I know for certain that the 140/70/17 rear Activ has been deleted in Oz as I tried all East State distribution centres to get one. I was told by Victoria (where I live) that Queensland was showing two in their distribution warehouse but when I rang them they said that was not correct and they were gone, never to be replaced. :cookoo:
Perhaps they lasted too long. On my Honda they have done about 18,oookm and the rear is about 1/2 worn. The front is about 2/3 worn.
The man who fitted the PSR for me said that he thought that it would be a good replacement for the Activ.
Macka
Might consider these, I need two new tires soon. Anyone know if cycle gear installs tires bought elsewhere?
I think any place installs tires bought elsewhere because they charge you - like $30 or so per tire.
A friend learned that the hard way. Bought tires on-line then with shipping and installation costs they ended up more than had he bought them at the dealer where you get free installation with tire purchases.
next set will be kenda cruiser (k 761) for me. cheap, long wearing.
enjoying some cheap road winner something or others now. if they last through a gymkhana and track day, I'll be happy.
can't wait to find another set of sticky bt090 (bt003) though ;-)
I had my forst ride on the new Michelin Pilot Street Radial yesterday. The bike felt pretty much the same with just a couple of tiny differences. It was only a short ride of about 20km (12 miles). It seems to turn in slightly more quickly and it seems that at highway speed the sound is different. Perhaps the different tread pattern produces different harmonics. :thumb:
http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/motorcycle/sheet/diablo_rosso_2.html
What about these? Had these on my last bike, they were just amazing, amazing in the wet too.
Would these work on the GS? I think they look awesome too.
Yep, the 110/70 and 140/70 H rated ones are made for our 3.0 and 3.5" wheels:
http://motoseries.com/articles/2012_pirelli_specs.pdf
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=53366.msg799390#msg799390
Quote from: gsJack on January 28, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Yep, the 110/70 and 140/70 H rated ones are made for our 3.0 and 3.5" wheels:
http://motoseries.com/articles/2012_pirelli_specs.pdf
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=53366.msg799390#msg799390
Awesome! I absolutely adore these tyres, will most likely definitely get a set for my GS this year!
I may have to get a Pilot street for my bike soon (In South Africa you take what they give you), but the weight thing still bothers me. According to the spec sheet it's weight number is 62 (265kg) for the 130 and 66 (300kg) for the 140. A quick sum puts me and my bike at 280-odd kg's. Unless I am reading things wrong?
Load index is the same for all tires of the same size, 54 and 62 for 110/70 and 130/70 sizes. Don't forget the front wheel is carrying part of the load, about half for the bike alone and for the max load of about 840# (approx. 380 kg) the GS is rated for they recommend raising the rear tire pressure to carry the extra load. I've been 235-255# during my almost 15 years of GS riding.
Ahaa, I hadn't thought about it like that, thanks.
I had my first decent ride on the Pilot Street Radial this morning, 310km. I left home at 5.20am, in the dark, and headed for Mt Baw Baw Village. The road surface varied from warm, dry and smooth to cool, steep, rutted, potholed, leaf covered and damp (from heavy fog). I am happy with the grip and feel. There was no occassion when the tyre made me feel unsure of the amount of grip available. A couple of times on a slight left-right-left wiggle at speed the bike felt like it might have had a deflating tyre, just a kind of unsteady feel. I suspect that it was the road surface as I have had similar feelings with the original tyre in the past. It it now scrubbed in and ready for the track day on the 10th. :thumb:
Macka
Would the recommended tire pressure for these tires change since they are more flexible that the bt45?
That is an interesting question. Last night I had my first ride with the new MPSR on the front. As I posted a couple of days ago on the "What have you done for your bike today?" forum, the GS now has MPSR at both ends. First impressions from last night are that the bike definitely feels different. Bear in mind that I had changed the fork oil at the same time and it is noticeably tighter in the front end. It was also a bit windy last night so the GSF was moving around a bit as they do in gusty winds. It feels a bit more responsive or direct in the front end. Possibly as a consequence of the two changes, stiffer forks and softer sidewalls, one strange thing that I noticed last night is that the headlamp pattern on the road did not seem to bounce or jump around as much. Another thing I noticed this morning is that the tread contact area (dust on the tyre) seems to be a lot wider than the BT45 used to be. Perhaps due to the softer sidewalls the tread sits flatter on the road. Presently I am running 34-35psi in the front and 37-38psi in the rear as I always do. I intend to stay with that for now until the tyres have at least a couple of thousand Ks on them and see how they go. If you are intersted to know how the new rear MPSR did on the track on Monday last week, have a look at the other Forum. I was very impressed by the grip and durability on what is a very abrasive track surface. By the way, the World Superbikes are on at the same track, Phillip Island, this weekend. I am going down for a look at practice with a couple of mates on Friday. It is about a 2 1/4 hour drive from home. The forecast is for showers though so speeds may be down a little bit. :thumb:
Made it easier to read...
Quote from: prmas on February 18, 2014, 12:07:21 AM
That is an interesting question.
Last night I had my first ride with the new MPSR on the front. As I posted a couple of days ago on the "What have you done for your bike today?" forum, the GS now has MPSR at both ends.
First impressions from last night are that the bike definitely feels different. Bear in mind that I had changed the fork oil at the same time and it is noticeably tighter in the front end. It was also a bit windy last night so the GSF was moving around a bit as they do in gusty winds. It feels a bit more responsive or direct in the front end.
Possibly as a consequence of the two changes, stiffer forks and softer sidewalls, one strange thing that I noticed last night is that the headlamp pattern on the road did not seem to bounce or jump around as much. Another thing I noticed this morning is that the tread contact area (dust on the tyre) seems to be a lot wider than the BT45 used to be. Perhaps due to the softer sidewalls the tread sits flatter on the road.
Presently I am running 34-35psi in the front and 37-38psi in the rear as I always do. I intend to stay with that for now until the tyres have at least a couple of thousand Ks on them and see how they go.
If you are intersted to know how the new rear MPSR did on the track on Monday last week, have a look at the other Forum. I was very impressed by the grip and durability on what is a very abrasive track surface.
By the way, the World Superbikes are on at the same track, Phillip Island, this weekend. I am going down for a look at practice with a couple of mates on Friday. It is about a 2 1/4 hour drive from home. The forecast is for showers though so speeds may be down a little bit. :thumb:
Okay, so you made it easier to read! Where is your critique of the content as well as the structure? Tongue firmly planted in cheek! :kiss3:
Any further experience with these tires that would be notable? How are they wearing vs. whatever you had before?
I now have exactly 2000km on the rear and approx 1400km on the front. Bearing in mind that the rear has done 24 laps of Phillip Island GP track at full bottle (flat out) as well as normal road riding since then, it still looks new but the little moulding "tags" have gone. The front still has the little "tags" and shows NO wear yet.
I was a bit surprised that the rear tyre stepped out a little on a wet bend on last Saturday's ride. The wet grip level seems to be less than I expected. Mind you, it was just a damp bend on a country road and there may have been something else (gravel/mud/cow or sheep manure) on the surface too but I did not notice any. That is the only "wet" experience so far as I don't usually ride in the wet on the GS these days. If I have to ride in the wet I usually use my other bike which has better weather protection for the rider. At this stage I believe that the BT45s have better "wet" grip. I have been surprised previously how fast I could corner in the wet with the Bridgestones.
Dry grip seems to be OK but so far I have not developed the confident feel that I had before with the BT45s. I expected these PSRs to be a long way ahead of the BT45s in feel and feedback as they are New Tech Radials compared to the OLD Tech Bias BT45s but I am not so sure. More time is needed.
I have Michelin Pilot Active tyres on my other bike which is much heavier and more powerful and they have now done 21,ooo km. The Front has perhaps 2-3ooo km left and the Rear has at about 6-8ooo km left in it. The rear has squared-off quite a bit as most of my riding is Touring but it is not a problem so far. Dry grip is excellent and wet grip is OK although I have had both the front and rear let go on wet leaves or wet bark on country roads. That is to be expected. I have had a few "almost dropped it/heart in mouth" moments in the wet but have had enough grip to recover it and stay upright. I will definitely buy these again. I wanted to put them on the GS as well but could not get the right sizes in Australia. I believe that you can get the right sizes in the US. I cannot say how the MPAs would feel on a GS but they are very satisfactory on my Honda.
Great review, thanks!
I just wish someone could compare them to the Pirelli SD's now...
Quote from: prmas on May 20, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
I was a bit surprised that the rear tyre stepped out a little on a wet bend on last Saturday's ride. The wet grip level seems to be less than I expected.
I've noticed that mine get a little squirmy on the reflective lane markers and tar snakes, these never affected the bt45. The everyday handling is still a great improvement and I am sticking with the michelins.