Bad habits, I know... but I have smoked cigars regularly for about 2 years. I have also 'smoked' hookah for a little over 5 years. I have always been extremely careful with where and when I smoked, that most people didn't even know I smoked at all. I've been wanting to get away from the cigars for a few months now, because my habit has evolved into more than I ever wanted... My brother suggested e cigs, but my initial impressions about them from years ago made me dismiss them. After really looking into them, e cigs have come a long way, and I decided they were worthy of a try. My brother really took me under his wing as he has been vaping for about a year and smoke free since. I don't feel the need to explain about them as there are plenty of resources out there...
I tried several beginner setups such as egotwist mod and so forth, and quickly moved up to variable voltage/wattage mods and atomizer tanks, and just now touching on rebuildables.... so far I really haven't had to spend much at all other than for ejuices as my brother had his beginner setups for me to try out before I spent much on it...
I've been vaping for about 2 months (smoke free I'll add!), and I just want to know if anyone here vapes, what your setup is, favourite ejuices, etc...
Anyone?
- Bboy
vaping?. im not into the In way of describing it. but yes I use the E cigs too. church doesn't allow its members to smoke, but does allow us to smoke E cigs as a means to quit. to answer your question my firend, yes I do. the cheap ones, the not so cheap ones, but no I wont mod them, I see no need. ive build my own, using the refill cartridges or even the liquid. but fwiw the store bought units work fine. they work just fine as they are. 7 draws usually equals one cigarette smoked.
Aaron
E-cigs work OK. They get the job done. Refillable ones work the best in my opinion such as the Volt. The advantage of refillability with the savings of using juice to refill.
Tank and battery systems (variable voltage too) like e-go with kanger tanks or whatever tank are superior in the amount of vapor and flavor. But I have had nothing but problems with leaking. Some juices are very pungent and the smell is impossible to get rid of -particularly buttery or caramel based flavors. I gave up on them.
I find all e-cigs difficult to use. The vapor makes me cough. I have used them on and off for a year and they still make me cough reflexively. Certain juices are tougher than others. But even the mildest peach flavor gets me. Must have something to do with the Propylene glycol perhaps.
If they didn't bother me I would probably be using them exclusively. There are some really good flavors out there.
I know it's late and no doubt my eyes are tired as they have been in use all day but I could have sworn the title read "Do you gape"....... LoL
Quote from: john on January 07, 2014, 01:33:07 PM
E-cigs work OK. They get the job done. Refillable ones work the best in my opinion such as the Volt. The advantage of refillability with the savings of using juice to refill.
Tank and battery systems (variable voltage too) like e-go with kanger tanks or whatever tank are superior in the amount of vapor and flavor. But I have had nothing but problems with leaking. Some juices are very pungent and the smell is impossible to get rid of -particularly buttery or caramel based flavors. I gave up on them.
I find all e-cigs difficult to use. The vapor makes me cough. I have used them on and off for a year and they still make me cough reflexively. Certain juices are tougher than others. But even the mildest peach flavor gets me. Must have something to do with the Propylene glycol perhaps.
If they didn't bother me I would probably be using them exclusively. There are some really good flavors out there.
Yeah John, you may have a sensitivity to propylene glycol. Have you tried the 100% vegetable glycerine ejuices? Most people have better experiences with that. Also, you may try keeping the nicotine below 10mg to start with. It may take more draws to satisfy, but lower nicotine will also help minimize the throat hit until you are more used to it. Those two things are my biggest recommendations for those having discomfort from them.
You don't have to fully inhale to get nicotine from them too... much like cigars, you can get a significant amount of nicotine just from swallowing your saliva. I've noticed most people who get an instant reaction to cough is not necessarily from the inhale, but too abrupt of an exhale... they notice too much of an inhale tightens the throat, and so they swiftly exhale, which is actually what makes the reflexive cough.
I love my Sigelei Zmax... its a variable voltage/wattage device. I would recommend a VV/VW device to anyone experienced with vaping, or anyone with a quick learning curve too. The larger tank and battery systems aren't always recommended to beginners because you need to have a good understanding of the electrical side of vaping first, such as resistance of your coils, voltage, wattage, and amperage and how to achieve what you want safely... but the variable voltage/wattage devices have safety devices built in, so its harder to be unsafe with them.. they are just typically out of a beginner price range. I like them because you can change power with a click of button vs paying attention to your voltage on the battery, or changing coil resistance, etc... You have a lot of adjustability before having to mess with much, so you can change the vaping depending on what you want at any time. You don't want a lot vapor, turn it down... you are looking for a quick fix, turn it up... so simple. So if throat hit is bothering to start with, you can keep it turned down, but as you get used to it, you can turn it up.
- Bboy
Edit: Removed double quote
Vape is quickly becoming one of those new fad words that gets on my nerves. Vape, blog, selfi, totes magotes, etc. And, it looks ridiculous when you see someone puffing out a cloud of steam. For cryin' out loud it's not smoke so don't pucker your lips and blow it up in the air as to try and not get it in your eyes like real smoke. Don't do it in the movies because you can. Don't do it sitting in your doctors office just because you can. It's not cool to hang out at the SSVape store at the mall and steam out on juice. You are not living A Clock Work Orange milk bar parody.
Sorry guys, I just can't help myself. I just think it looks kind of funny. I don't have anything against it. I think it's great if you are use them to quit smoking. I quit long ago the old fashioned way and it was hard. That being said, I would love to try one of those Esigs with the wacky. I imagine it would be like taking a mini aquabong hit.
Also, those things look like the H.R. Pufnstuf flute...a boy and his magic flute, Jimmy come and play with me, you can't do a little because you can't do enough. Watch out for witchie-poo :icon_lol: :icon_mrgreen:. It's like that show was made for Vapors or something??
Again, I'm kidding people. Don't be mad. I gotta say it because I know how some people can be when it comes to smoking, religion, politics and cats. :)
Quote from: pliskin on January 08, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Vape is quickly becoming one of those new fad words that gets on my nerves. Vape, blog, selfi, totes magotes, etc. And, it looks ridiculous when you see someone puffing out a cloud of steam. For cryin' out loud it's not smoke so don't pucker your lips and blow it up in the air as to try and not get it in your eyes like real smoke. Don't do it in the movies because you can. Don't do it sitting in your doctors office just because you can. It's not cool to hang out at the SSVape store at the mall and steam out on juice. You are not living A Clock Work Orange milk bar parody.
This made me laugh... though you are joking around, I definitely agree no to do it in public places just because you can... Its quickly getting banned from doing indoors in more places because of idiots who do it without discretion at all. I only do it in places with the e-cig welcome sign... usually found in the same location a no smoking sign is located... no sign, I go outside.
Near me, I'm seeing ecigs allowed signs going up as fast ecigs not allowed signs... most are small businesses or small business areas though.
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- Bboy
I use the cheap one @ work. at my work bench may hit it 3 x. I figured 7x is roughly smoking a full cig. or if I leave my watch bench and go into the whse, I may hit it there, I kinda laugh at the blu commercial guy walking around like hes hot shît with one dangling from mouth. please forgive my cursing. wasn't intentional but that one I was kinda well, giving rude commentary to the commercial. ( this one)
fad words gotta love em. vaping, seriously, ginormous, etc etc etc. meh ill stick to proper grammar in whatever language. but hey if that's how one wants to describe it, then by all means, have fun :)
I hadn't even heard of vaping until I read this thread....now I hear/read it everywhere. Guaranteed to be on the 2014 list of banned words from LSSU. Selfie and cronut already made it to 2013's list.
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Yes. Sadly hipsters that have never smoked vape because it's the new cool thing to do.
This is not why I did it. I am a HARD CORE smoker. I smoke with a fervor few have. It is nice to have something that distracts me from lighting up for a while.
Quote from: jdoorn14 on January 10, 2014, 08:13:07 AM
I hadn't even heard of vaping until I read this thread....now I hear/read it everywhere. Guaranteed to be on the 2014 list of banned words from LSSU. Selfie and cronut already made it to 2013's list.
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Ehh I prefer English, or german, or Spanish or complete words that wont be uncool in 6 mos. such as America bashing on youtube. like what do they do when that becomes uncool lol. ahhw ell why am I bashing someone, its their thing. if it makes em happy, thewn by all means, enjoy.
now john, youre not far from mexico, you could get some good Cubans Eh?, also not far from you is a Russian grocery store. some GREAT BEERa meal in itself. best beer I had ever drank. also their Russian cigs , not so good, but not bad either. now the E- cigarettes, due to health issues, I use these instead. they do work. plus okayed by church for my quitting smoking. I made sure of this with the bishop. as I said they do work. but got to figure out how many draws you would get on one cigarette, mine I had figured on 7 max. this I could do inside the warehouse, or while working on watches or whatnot. threyre great. no matter who makes them. albeit a bit heavy. some of the cheaper ones are squishy. they feel almost like a real cig. the liquid ones I feel are overpriced. fun delaing with the quitting smoking withdrawals and severe depression over moms death 4 years ago today. not a good combo. but to those who use these to quit, I wish you nothing but the best.
for those who use in place of tobacco, I say, a wise decision imho. only thing you in hale is nicotine. nothing more, nothing less.
Aaron
Bboy don't mean to hijack your thread, but this is a general warning. if you smoke, consider e-cigs or vaping asits called. I just got back from doctors, and ive got the lungs of an 83yo. this is after using ecigs for nearly 4 mos now. and im only 39.
Ive tried many different brands of juice my favorite by far. Is the 85%pg 15%vg from my freedom smokes I've tried so many different brands and most i hate but i have been pleased with all the flavors for them. I have a evic with a kanger pro tank 3 and limn battery. There watermelon. And mixing there blueberry and blackberry are fav
my symptoms are mimicking lung cancer. so im going e-cig/vaping. the normal stuff sucks tbh. tastes like a raisin lol. picked up one of the vaping units off of an email thread. I paid using a prepaid card, which is good cause buried in the fine print said $99,95. I could and maybe should return it. but on a prepaid card they can drain it, and no more. idk. I like these units tbh. and with my health deteriorating, I am going to use these if I don't go completely cold turkey. the church I attende allows cessation devices, so I will use these to stop. but not as a replacement. just saying, smokers. get on the e-cig or the liquid units. don't destroy your lings like I did. or essentially condemn yourself\
Aarpm
P.S.
reason I say this is ive been a smoker since I was 16yo. I blame no one but me. my lungs wont improve. 4 doc visits next week. and an official diagnoses for this issue. PLEASE. take care of yourselves. if I keep on the track I was on, I probably wont make 45. take care of youselves.
AARON
Yama, its always tough to hear these health problems of oneself. But you'll be much better off having heard it and can start a change for the better. I know several people who have been able to quit with e-cigs, and it probably has saved their life. Much of the smoke damage from cigarettes is reversible in the lungs, as new tissues form. It can take several years after having stopped, but most of it will leave the lungs - the problem is the effects that smoking may have already caused that won't disappear. If smoking has begun to mutate cells, that won't reverse - but certainly does not mean the end for anyone. Stop smoking and it will dramatically improve your health and the way you feel - taste comes back, breathing is fulfilling, coughing stops, etc... all that will improve your life and extend it much further beyond anyone who continues to smoke.
Cya, I haven't tried freedom smokes, but I can say the few brands I've had, I haven't disliked any yet lol. But, I had my brother to guide to good vendors in the first place - I've had Nite Lite Vapor, Mt. Baker, Starbuzz, and a couple others - I really don't have a complaint so far other than it seems some vendors you must 'steep' or 'cure' the eliquid before the flavour is mellowed and blended well, and none of them see anything adverse from curing at all - so I just do it to every ejuice.
I really like the protanks, they just require some fiddling so they don't flood your connector terminal. But when they are working, they are the best flavour and vapour production out there for tank systems outside of the RBA/RDA realm. I have protanks 1 (knock off clone), protank 2 and 3 (authentic) - I also have a rebuildable smoktech RSST which I'm finally settling into nicely, and is becoming my main tank over the protank 2 quickly.
- Bboy
well I look @ ecigs as a way to quit or replace smoking. im choosing the quitting route. doc hasn't sentenced me to death yet lol. hopefully not. anyhoo never thought wed be getting into modding ecigs lol. may try the falvours once I get a tank unit. still hadn't returned the one ive got. I COULD keep it they cant drain a prepaid card past zero. but that would be dishonest I think. lol
Just tried a new juice flavour today - 'Venom' from Mt. Baker - Wow, intense flavour. If you like cinnamon sweet, this one is for you. So much throat hit over what you would expect, I would imagine it would be a good flavour to quit with if you need throat hit... as it will still give a good throat hit without any nicotine. Slight menthol, but not a main point - just an accent you get on the exhale, the focus is definitely cinnamon. Thought I'd mention it given the throat hit which I haven't seen from any juice so far, and many folks want that characteristic from their smokes.
- Bboy
Quote from: BockinBboy on February 14, 2014, 09:10:43 AM
Just tried a new juice flavour today - 'Venom' from Mt. Baker - Wow, intense flavour. If you like cinnamon sweet, this one is for you. So much throat hit over what you would expect, I would imagine it would be a good flavour to quit with if you need throat hit... as it will still give a good throat hit without any nicotine. Slight menthol, but not a main point - just an accent you get on the exhale, the focus is definitely cinnamon. Thought I'd mention it given the throat hit which I haven't seen from any juice so far, and many folks want that characteristic from their smokes.
- Bboy
is the cinnamon a sweet cinnamon or a harsh cinnamon (* both are possible I guess. I sampled a peach which I loved. kinda wished they made something like jack daniels. since I no longer smoke, the taste would be enough :). also giving these more and more thought since im spending most of a given week within a hospitals walls, something like this would be perfect.
It's actually a little of both. What you don't expect is that it is a 'harsher' cinnamon with lower wattage, but sweeter and cooler cinnamon with higher wattage, and it seems less throat hit too - I suspect might be due to the menthol coming through better at higher wattages. Overall the taste is better to me at the higher wattages, but any which way I really like cinnamon - this comes from a guy whose favorite drink is fireball whiskey and close second is hot damn 100.
- Bboy
I do with a halo triton.
Went from 2+ packs a day a month ago, to 2 $6 bottles a week, and am stepping down the nicotene. was at 1.6%, now at 1.2%
Best invention ever.
Ah yes triton is a good system. Typical ego style, but from an awesome vape company... Only thing I've had from them has been a couple of their juices I tried. Just dripped a couple flavors and gotta say Halo's sub zero is awesome - like an icey dreamworld in your mouth lol.
- Bboy
So, I've been following this thread for a while now. I've been smoking for around 4 years now, and I know I'm going to have to quit after college. I've tried the disposable eCigs before, and they were alright, but just left me wanting the feel of a real one. Any advice for starting up?
I would start with an ego style battery and clearomizer/cartridge system - Good kits with everything you need except juice can be had for under $65 out the door - and $65 is truly the upper range for these style starter kits. It is different than smoking, as its a bit different feel and draw overall - but satisfactory nonetheless with the right determination. Some folks are put off by them to start with, just because of the change, period. It isn't even necessarily the e-cig itself - there are different habits to start like charging your batteries and carrying extra juice so you don't run out and resort back to analogs. But give it at least two weeks to overcome the different feel and get into the groove of carrying what you need for it. Know that some symptoms you may think are coming from vaping, are actually coming from withdrawals of other things from cigarettes and not nicotine itself, and some are from recovering from smoking too (like coughing and clearing out the lungs). The only thing I noticed that you might say is 'bad' from vaping is dry mouth/throat. So, you need to drink more water when you vape and that won't happen. Because the vegetable glycerine in the juice actual draws moisture from the air and you when you intake, and that what makes the clouds of vapor.
The easiest way to intake an e-cig is to take a slow 4-5 second draw into the mouth, hold for a second, and slowly exhale through your nose. Then, once you are used to that, you can do the same into your mouth, then inhale into the lungs, and slowly exhale through your nose. After awhile you won't have to manage your draws like this anymore and can do lung inhales if you prefer, but for starting out, do the above. The more used to it you are the longer and deeper you can intake without any discomfort - some people starting out experience the throat wants to tighten up when they inhale the vapor, so doing the above will help that along to avoid it... just know if it does happen to you, it goes away soon.
Also, keep the nicotine level below 10mg to start with, regardless of how much you may have smoked before... the nicotine absorption is different from smoking because the vapor particles are much much bigger than smoke particles, and its easy to vape more than you would smoke... you can always increase it later if you aren't getting satisfied quickly enough, but you do not want to have more than you can take and Nic OD with them, as it will just be yet another obstacle for quitting smoking and sticking with e-cigs.
:cheers:
- Bboy
Quote from: JAS6377 on February 17, 2014, 08:37:35 AM
So, I've been following this thread for a while now. I've been smoking for around 4 years now, and I know I'm going to have to quit after college. I've tried the disposable eCigs before, and they were alright, but just left me wanting the feel of a real one. Any advice for starting up?
Seriously get off the tobacco in any way shape or form. I started @ 16yo am now 39, and have the lungs of an 83yo. which will never improve. tbh tho had doc not told me id not have realized it. idk. anyhoo ive not seen an ecig or tank setup that felt like a real one. except for a cheap a$$ed one at the pilot station. same weight as a tobacco. other ones feel like well heavy. hit it roughly 7 times is equal to a standard cig smoking
Thanks, Bboy! That's quite a good deal of information. I'll have to start looking around. Is there any particular brand that is preferred?
Yama: I plan on quitting at least after I graduate, if not sooner. It's a terrible, and expensive, habit. The good news, though, is that I smoke American Spirits, which apparently have no additives, and I only smoke a pack every 3 days or so. That doesn't excuse the habit, but it's a darn sight better than 2 packs of L&M/Marbs a day.
I hope all goes well with your health. I'm nondenominational/agnostic, but I'll be praying for you.
Thanks again for the insight guys. Perhaps we should get a smoking cessation/support thread going?
Edit: I mean absolutely no offense to anyone who actually does smoke 2 packs a day. I was tired when I wrote this, so my eloquence was a bit lacking.
I'd recommend Joyetech for ego style starter kits... and stay away from the fasttech site - yes, its cheapest, but I haven't seen anything but cheap knock-offs and disappointment come from there...
- Bboy
These are the kits that I'm currently looking at:
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Joye_eGo_Starter_Kit_p/ego-kit.htm
http://www.myvaporstore.com/Joye_Ego_CC_Smart_Kit_650mAh_Joyetech_p/joye-ecc-k.htm
I'm kind of leaning toward the eGo-CC, as I think I would probably prefer a tank system over cartridges. Although, from light research, it seems as though the average use is about 3-5 mL of juice per day? That means I'd have to refill the tank at least once per day, which means I'd need to carry the juice with me to refill it. Any thoughts? I'm also thinking about grabbing a 1000mAh VV battery to go with it so I can experiment with different voltages to find the right feel. Do you think 3.2V-4.8V is enough to play around with?
Thanks again for the help. And sorry for the threadjack... But it is good info for others who choose to take this route. :thumb:
No worries on threadjacking, this thread can go anywhere on vaping... I'm glad there are others, and that there is interest.
Both are excellent. I too would prefer the changeable/clear version...
Yeah, 3-5mL is probably a decent estimate for those who would smoke (and now vape) all throughout the day. My tank holds 2.4mL, and it will last me all day a majority of the time. But, a heavy vaping weekend day I might go through a tank and half... I carry spare, charged batteries and a bottle of juice along with my e-cig all the time, and its also not a bad idea to carry an extra coil/carto in case it goes out... though, to be honest, I haven't had one go out on me yet (knock on wood, though, because everyone tells me I've just been lucky cause that isn't the norm) - I just switch around tanks and coils back and forth enough, that I'll probably have them all go at the same time lol...
To give you an idea on battery life - I have a couple 900 mah 18350 batteries that will last me all day no problem, and I vape at 7.5watts most of the time - ends up being aprox. 350 draws... My 2800mah 18650 batteries can take me through a whole weekend. I would imagine the 650mah would get you through most of the day, but you'd definitely need a backup. The voltage range 3.2-4.8 would definitely give you a good amount to play with.
:cheers:
- Bboy
Brass King Mod with an Igo-w dual micro coils with cottom
Hammer clone with a Bliss Genny Clone
Astro Mod with a Trident dripper quad micro coils with cotton.
private v2 (retired)
sigeili #?? (retired)
Got the vape lingo down, and using mechanicals and multi coils...nice. How long you been vaping, mach?
- Bboy
Im not into the IN lingo craze. but I do end up calling vapong. cause im not smoking. after nore bad news today from both docs, and a third. my longs are jacked. I will seriously, SERIOUSLY kick their arse. now, vaping, or e-cigs, DO work. also Chantix does too. but side effects are insane at some points. I was severely depressed today over some matter and had to get out of house. brought my e-cig with me. those, you figure out how many draws it takes to smoke a cigarette ( if currently a smoker. if no longer, just recall Eh?) next its a psych thing.,you must WANT to quit. or at least WANTto trade tobacco for one of these. the weight is another issue., theyre heavy compared to tobacco cigs.
Jas, lmk what type of tobacco cig you smoke. light full etc. I found a cheap one @ the pilot gas station on emory at 6. a tad over six with taX. I seriously don't want to see you mess up your lungs likw I did to mine. lmk what type ill send it to you. no charge. take care my friends. , will post more once I find something postworthy. I do have one if these I cant return cause of a scam. I got it for 4.95 they want an additional charge of 100. I bought it on a prepaid card I had. so heck they cant go past zero lol.
(http://sinlessvapor.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Sinless-Vaper-Trial-kit-300x229.png) this e-juice sucks but I can get maybe peach or something smoother from tobacco store 3 miles from here.
thius is the inhaler im on now. essentially forever. 225 per month. thank GOD for insurance lol basically im a stage 2 COPD patient. as well as PAD, andpitting edema as well as periphertal neuropathy. Now enough about that, its back to vaping or smoking e cigs or whatever the word of the day is :) apologies for the threadjacking. Cheers :)
Aaron
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quitting smoking ive done. lapsed maybe once. but am looking forward to many years if I can stop or slow the progression of the COPD. Guys and gals. do NOT smoke. if you do ill kick arse lol. all humour aside, if you do smoke consider an e-cig or the "vaping". anyhoo ill close by saying heres hoping I hit 50. Im sorry I consider you all part of this HUGE soimetimes dysfunctional family. and love yall as such. :) take care. will see yall later Eh?
Aaron
Ps btw I DID resemble dr house while using my cane lol.
Read this article today - interesting...
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/planet-of-the-vapes-a-look-inside-the-emerging-world-77091054098.html
I like the quote from Aaron David Ross about vaping:
Quote"It doesn't feel like a cigarette in your hand, it doesn't feel like one in your mouth. You don't hold it the same way. Your lips aren't in the same position. It's a different thing. It's about modifying the ritual in a way where you could get excited about the differences, as opposed to the similarities."
Its what I was trying to say before, but I like the way he put it.
Quote from: BockinBboy on February 17, 2014, 09:04:46 AM
...It is different than smoking, as its a bit different feel and draw overall - but satisfactory nonetheless with the right determination...
- Bboy
Dr. House (Yama) :icon_mrgreen:: I smoke American Spirit menthol full. As I said before, they're apparently better than other cigs, just because they don't have all of the other crap in them like ammonia and whatnot. They're still not good, but I guess they're better than the alternatives. If that's one of those "Blue" brand eCigs, I've tried them before. They're not bad for a night where I can't go outside to smoke an analog. I'm just hoping that I can get a good vaping setup that will have a good feel to it.
Overall, I'm really looking forward to changing habits, and possibly nixing it completely in the future. I still don't think I'll ever be able to leave my caffeine, though. I'm angry without my coffee lol.
I think it can be used to quit smoking but from my personal experience its just a replacement. Few years ago i bought a ego setup with cartomizer tank when i got it i didn't smoke a cigarette for months until one day my carto went out and i was out of extras and stores were closed so i bought a pack of smokes and kept smoking till a few months ago. I think it would be the best idea to have a set plan in reducing nic strength over time eventually going to zero nic but still satisfying your habit then quitting ecigs too. If you use ecigs over time you will eventually smoke again if you dont quit the ecig
I have to wonder about long term side affects of these products. No real studies have been done on them. Also, most people who use them have smoked real tobacco in the past. That makes it hard to tell which habit could have possibly caused problems for the user. A quick search on the ingredients, one being propylene glycol, indicated it is used in Corexit...The stuff they used to treat the Gulf oil spill (lots of reports of eye and respiratory irritation there blamed on that chem).
I know it's hard to quit smoking but it can be done. I did it and I know a lot of people who have. I recommend finding another way to quit. In my case it only took a little willpower. When I had the urge, I resisted for a couple minutes. Something else would occupy my mind. Before long I was realizing that if I could hold out a minute or two I would forget about wanting one until eventually I kicked that monkey off my back. Years later I can still bum a smoke or 2 a couple times a year without relapsing. I can still take a long drag and enjoy it. The next day I don't even care or need more. In fact, the smell left on my fingers disgusts me the next day.
I went cold turkey for a month. I did it because I had to get a physical in order to get life insurance. I went cold turkey because they had to test my blood for signs of being a smoker. I passed the test.
Quote from: BockinBboy on February 18, 2014, 01:57:38 PM
Got the vape lingo down, and using mechanicals and multi coils...nice. How long you been vaping, mach?
- Bboy
over a year and going strong, just rebuild my IGo-W with a dual coil down to .3 ohms and it kicks hard with clouds.mmmmmmmmm
Just ordered myself the eGo-CC kit with the 1000 mAh VV battery and Blueberry Mojito and Andes Mint juices from PSV. Can't wait to kick the analogs!
Awesome Mach. I haven't tried any sub ohm builds yet... For one, I don't own a mechanical, and two, I'm still learning though a have a firm grasp on ohms law and battery limits etc... I'm still sticking with the built in safety VV/VW devices for awhile. I have a smoketech RSST which build up nicely... I can get 1.3-1.5 ohms consistently from my builds but they vape only slightly better than my protanks. Could do lower ohm if I wanted but my mod doesn't support below 1.2... And I don't have the desire for lower yet.
- Bboy
Awesome JAS. I'm really excited for you. Keep us posted on your progress.
- Bboy
Just bought a aspire bdc must say I like it better than innokin 30 and the kanger pro 2 and 3
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Quote from: pliskin on February 19, 2014, 08:31:30 PM
I have to wonder about long term side affects of these products.
i know one thing.... it changes their vocabulary... ohms and tanks and i-gos an' vw's .... vw's ??? ?
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not knocking this system... and i was considering giving it a go.... but then someone said the 'hipsters' are all over it.... :icon_neutral:
hipsters... make my hand want to go all slappy on their silly faces!! ;)
i cant be associated with hipsters!! ... id have to change my whole wardrobe!
... oh and e-juice.... just reminds me of this (http://www.elephanttag.org/Images/male_repro.gif) :icon_lol: :flipoff:
Knew it wouldn't be long for the aussie squatters to settle in :flipoff:
LOL Janxy, quite the imagination. It is interesting though the subculture that has developed so quickly around it.
- Bboy
Rofl. The "Aussie squatters".
Janx, I know what you mean. I saw a LOT of hipsters at the vape shop I went to. But, as long as you don't wear skin-tight pants (please don't) and claim to do everything before it was cool, you'll be fine.
Btw, I have bought my last pack, which happens to be lights. I'm in the process of deleting triggers right now. I've already got the car down, so I no longer spark up in the car. That was the biggest one, too, so the others will shortly follow. Looking to be tobacco free by the end of the week!
JAS6377, Just find an Ejuice that fills you Nic craving and you will be fine. Than slowly dial down the nic and you will be happy. I started with 12mg on nic in a clearomizer with a VV ego twist. Now I use a full Mech with dripper and using my own 3mg e juice I make.
So there was a big spot on the local news station about how there are marijuana juices hitting the underground market and people are vaping weed under the radar. Of course they calles all of the local police stations asking of they were aware of it.
This means that soon vaping will be looked at as probable cause for searches -"reasonable suspicion" would be satisfied as determined by court cases. If you have a vaporizer you will be suspected. This means I am giving up my vaporizer. I will not allow myself to be considered part of this.
Friggin pot heads are going to ruin this for everybody...
There are THC specific vapes and atomizers out there... They use hash oils and are a bit different because temperature matters more with oils. Stuff is sold in Colorado that I am aware... I really doubt it will get outta control and result in searching just because you have a personal vaporizer. Cops don't search you just because they see an Rx bottle unless you give them a reason.
- Bboy
Yea, why can't those stonies just stick to the good 'ole "analog" bat and dugout?
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BYW, I saw a news story today that said they have found things like tin, nickle, and other metals in the vapor from various ecigs, most of which where made in china.
That's another scare tactic on the table... tell people they are inhaling heavy metals and they will freak... when fact is you intake heavy metals all the time... you probably take in more heavy metals from eating a BAR S hotdog than you would in an entire year vaping... You say the problem is 'inhaling' these metals... there are standards sets for inhalation medicines and most of the metals found in the study on e-cigs were not even 1% of the daily metal inhalation standard set for medicines, the highest of metal intake was still under 5% compared to the standard... The amount found in the study was in hundredths of micrograms, while the standards for daily inhalation medicines for these metals are in the tenths and singles of micrograms for daily intake... Also, an actual analog cigarette contains higher amounts of these same metals than the equivalent amount of e-cig... much higher. This story does not scare me... what scares me is the amount of people lead on by it... E-cigs are safe for daily use, and are far better than cigarettes on all accounts.
Obviously use your head when buying as you would for anything you buy... I steer clear from china made products in general anyway, and I only buy made in the U.S. e-juices, and high quality atomizers... I do agree that something needs to be done in terms of quality of products and setting a metal standard for amounts in e-cigs... more regulation is coming, and that one would be welcomed... but that won't happen for Chinese products whether its the law or not. Making huge money on months of sales and dealing with a huge lawsuit is far more profitable than taking things off the market because they aren't safe - and a large majority of immoral business practices come from china... so just use your head, but e-cigs aren't some enemy of the people...
:cheers:
- Bboy
Edit: It would important to note the metals found in e-cigs are coming from the coils and wicks... soldered joints in coils are a main culprit, and nichrome resistance coils, and silica wicks would be the ones with highest amounts by far - and reminder that 'highest amount' is a relative term to the very low amounts found in e-cigs. If this metal thing is a concern for you, it can easily be resolved by making your own coils with high quality kanthal resistance wire, and using cotton wicks... very easy, and btw you don't solder when making your own coils (producers use solder for ohm resistance consistency of their coils)... or find a company that builds atomizers/coils without using solder.
Just got the aspire nautilus must say I'm very pleased
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Nice! How's the adjustable airflow?
- Bboy
It's nice I guess but I'm really pleased with the vapor production
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I really haven't read any bad reviews on it. Looks like it could vape well for near anyone's preferences... It looks huge, and the actual tank itself looks like it has very large juice capacity, but not sure with how thick the glass is. I saw a reference pic on the coils and wicks, and they look really small, so I imagine it gives a really good, clean flavour on juices. I might get one, I really like the adjustability... I have to tweak everything on my current tanks to get what I want, whether it be drilling out air holes, changing wicks, etc... and its all a little different each time you build a new coil, so more tweaking there beyond airflow. Usually I have to switch tanks if I want lung hits or mouth to lung - because you want thicker for mouth to lung, but more air for lung hits... so a tank that can effectively cover more bases and is less time consuming is definitely appealing to me.
The only thing I don't like is the price of replacement coils - Being a dual bottom coil, I doubt its easy to make replacement coils.
- Bboy
I ordered it of myfreedomsmokes and they have a 17% off coupon code it was only like 44 with shipping and 5 pack of coils
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If you buy one order a metal tank.. There is threads on the glass and it already broke ...
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Oh dang man, that sucks. Thanks for the heads up.
- Bboy
Well I picked up an aspire nautilus. Smoothest draw I've experienced yet. Only first day with it, so I need to test more... But the construction quality is tremendous.
- Bboy
No vaping here, but I do have an occasional cigar. I also have a corncob pipe and a "Middle Earth" blend that tastes pretty good. I've never smoked a cigarette, though, and never will. I do my best to mitigate the risks associated with cigars/pipe tobacco, though (not drinking and smoking, not smoking with any sores in my mouth, etc.)
The e-cigs are a great product for helping people to quit. A few of my aunts/uncles have been long time smokers and are now only on e-cigs, so they do seem to work for quitting/modifying the habit. They also sound interesting from a tinkering standpoint from what I've seen in this thread.
Quote from: BockinBboy on February 25, 2014, 06:17:07 AM
Knew it wouldn't be long for the aussie squatters to settle in :flipoff:
LOL Janxy, quite the imagination. It is interesting though the subculture that has developed so quickly around it.
- Bboy
today its vaping, tomorrow? who knows. im in at times. BUUUUUUT wjhy the need for some to modify the things?
Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on May 30, 2014, 07:45:05 AM
Quote from: BockinBboy on February 25, 2014, 06:17:07 AM
Knew it wouldn't be long for the aussie squatters to settle in :flipoff:
LOL Janxy, quite the imagination. It is interesting though the subculture that has developed so quickly around it.
- Bboy
today its vaping, tomorrow? who knows. im in at times. BUUUUUUT wjhy the need for some to modify the things?
bBoy ... you welcome!! :flipoff: :icon_mrgreen:
yama .... it exists .. so must be modified! :icon_rolleyes: :icon_lol:
Okay, I've got a few questions about getting started....
I've been trying to get away from cigarettes for a while now and started vaping with Blu cigs. I'm sure anybody else has tried them can agree.....their products.....um....leave a lot to be desired. I started buying their disposables to just try ecigs and was pretty happy, so then bought one of their variety starter packs and that's when it all went down hill.
After looking around online, there are just so many choices and it gets a little confusing to me. So can anybody here recommend a decent starter kit? I'm not trying to break the bank with crazy features, I just want a dependable system that won't leave me hanging out to dry.
I went with the Joyetech E-Go CC kit. I have 2 1000mAh variable voltage batteries, and I couldn't be happier. There are a lot of other products out there, though. I've heard good things about Kanger products, so that may be something to look into as well. I've also found that it's not just the device. You have to choose the right liquid as well. I had an 80/20 mix that was fantastic. I now have a 60/40 that I'm running through, but it doesn't produce the amount of vapor that I personally like.
Whatever you choose, I'd spring for a variable voltage. It allows you to "tune" the flavor. Some flavors taste and feel better than others at different wattages, so a VV system will keep you happy no matter the flavor. Also, an extra battery might not be a bad idea. If your battery dies while you're out, having another one can curb the desire to buy a pack of analogs.
If you want, send me a PM and I'll give you a few websites and link you to my kit.
That's about all I got lol.
Gotta say that Joyetech E-go kit is an excellent starter kit. If you aren't sold on the Variable Voltage (VV), they do have batteries without that feature for a little cheaper as well. The E-go CC kit is pretty versatile for a starter kit, and is a good value for the dollar when you compare it to other similar starter kits. There are alotta cheap knock-offs out there, where the batteries are a safety issue - so do buy name brand from reputable sources. Joyetech is a decent name brand.
I'm quickly coming up on my year since quitting, and have only vaped since. I know many people who have quit using e-cigs, and it really does work to get off tobacco smokes. I realize its hard to put a bunch of money into something you aren't sure will work for you. Its really helpful to be able to try a few different devices before you make the plunge. Trying Blu, though cheap, does give you and idea of the different feel and what to expect from more 'equipped' devices - they are just the starting line, and the experience only gets better. I would buy a pack of Blu if I were caught in a situation without my regular setup, just to keep from buyin a cigar.
Just consider what you spend on smokes, and try to make some equivalents. I often notice people don't consider their smokes much of a cost, like they do vaping until you outline it for them... If you smoke a pack a day at $5 a pack, and buy a 'starter kit' for $15 bucks - I wouldn't expect you to spend more than three days on it. If you spend $70 on a starter kit - I would expect you to give it at least two weeks, and have a better chance at actually sticking with it. Of course, price isn't the whole picture, but you can see my point.
Many folks try the simpler devices first and are able to cut down the smokes. Use the money they save on less smokes, and upgrade... continue to do that till you land on a device that gets off you off them completely. For some that's sooner than others. I believe there are enough different devices out there, that anyone can find one that meets their needs. The kit JAS mentioned, that has adjustable power, is simply able to cover a wider range of preferences...which might help you find that perfect vape sooner.
- Bboy
Jas & Bboy, thank you both. You guys are quick to share a wealth of information, and it is appreciated.
No problem, Rich.
Interestingly enough, I glanced back through the thread and a few things have changed as far as my setup - and it appears I have followed the same path as Mach.
I now vape on a mechanical and build my own coils too - I also vape my own juice that I mix at 3mg nic - mostly unflavoured (which does have a taste btw!) My mechanical is a bottomfed dripper, LP REO Grand (by Reosmods), and my atomizer is an Atomic (single or dual coil with AirFlow Control (AFC)). I was actually able to purchase this setup by selling my 'old' juices, now that I make my own.
I still use my Sigelei Zmax V5 and nautilus, but my main is definitely my REO. I thoroughly enjoy vaping, and in more ways than cigars satisfied. No chance of going back to analogues.
As a side not to Yama (or anyone else interested), as I don't think it was ever clarified to you - but when we say 'mod' we are typically referring to the battery and tank holder. A mod has a removable battery that you charge independently from the device. Yes people do modify tanks and atomizers and just about anything, too.... but for most cases 'mod' simply means the battery holder. Sometimes the mod has internal wiring and a chip board that regulates the power from the battery(known as a regulated mod), other mods are purely mechanical with no wires and just a mechanical switch that relies on battery performance alone (hence mechanical or 'mech' mod). No worries regarding the lingo, as it is confusing to many who are even immersed in the 'hobby' themselves. Just wanted to add that info since I know you have followed this thread, and it would help anyone's understanding - knowing just what that term 'mod' means makes it look less like some black art garage style thing, LOL!
- Bboy
Oh, good - something I can contribute to. :P
286 days since I had a cigarette. I started with a Joyetech ego-t battery and Kanger ProTank. On to mech mods and a Kayfun clone right now. Still at 12mg nicotine, but I don't care.
Biggest things for getting started are to transition - vape and smoke, until you're used to it - and make sure you can find a juice you really like that will get you past the first while of not smoking. And figure out the technique, because it is different than smoking a cigarette. I found 24 mg wasn't enough at first, and then I figured out how to use it, and 24mg instantly became like a punch in the face.
There still isn't a lot of science to back them up, but it's coming.
Quote from: floatingLomas on September 08, 2014, 07:10:51 AM
Oh, good - something I can contribute to. :P
LoL - there's a place for everyone here! For some, that only means the farm though... ;)
Good advice there, too!
- Bboy
Quote from: floatingLomas on September 08, 2014, 07:10:51 AM
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and then I figured out how to use it
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May I ask you to elucidate a bit? I currently use mine like an analog: draw, then breathe it in a bit, then exhale. Is there a better/different/more effective technique?
He might mean something different (or several things all in one), but this is my take on it and my experience.
With cigarettes, nic abosorption is mainly though the lungs and isn't as effective through the mouth... BUT, its much more irritable (to say the least) to try to directly inhale a cigarette into the lungs, hence the mouth to lung (they do that as quickly as they can handle). When most people begin smoking, they probably don't inhale... but as they adapt to the irritation, they learn to become more effective at their nic absorption - so to speak.
Now to translate some of that over to vaping... With what we know as of now (and at least that I have read), nic absorption is different with vaping. The particles are larger is one of the main things with this (way too much to explain in depth with that, as absorption rate of larger said particles would be different too)... However, vaping also isn't nearly as irritable as smoking ever thought of being, so direct lung inhale can play in your game for a better nic delivery if you like it... I won't make any specific statements saying that one way is truly more effective than the other. BUT in order to find what is more effective at nic absorption with vaping for YOU, you need to forget about a cigarette because the two ARE different. Old habits die hard, I know... but the sooner you can disconnect the two, without going back to cigarettes, the better your experience will be... on the basis of the two being different specifically because the nic absorption is entirely different.
It was pretty hard for me to even mouth to lung inhale at first, because of my habits from cigars (no inhale). But after I started mouth to lung, I dropped the nic from 18 to 12mg. Later I started direct lung (and have come to prefer them) and dropped 12 to 6mg. Then I got my bottom-fed 'dripper', aka Reo Grand, and further dropped to 3mg. That's all it takes to satisfy me, and I haven't purposely done that really... I just found that I was getting more than I wanted otherwise, and didn't want to slow down the actual 'ritual' of vaping. Granted I was taking more nic per hit as my clouds grew larger, but I believe I would have still dropped the levels had I stayed with the same amount of vapour production/devices/power/etc... but maybe not as drastically.
Sounds like you do mouth to lung inhales, JAS. Nothing wrong with that. For others, a direct lung hit is more effective or more satisfying. I switch up, but I direct lung inhale mostly now. I think most folks who direct lung inhale find that they can drop the nic lower. But, if you do need it to feel more like a cig, by all means keep at the mouth to lung.
- Bboy
Quote from: JAS6377 on September 08, 2014, 11:58:12 AM
May I ask you to elucidate a bit? I currently use mine like an analog: draw, then breathe it in a bit, then exhale. Is there a better/different/more effective technique?
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Thanks for teaching me something. :P
I did the same, but I found that if you draw in more slowly (ie, longer) and then hold it in your mouth before you inhale it, it is substantially more effective. Hope that's clearer.
I've only played around with the direct-to-lung (ie, breath it straight in) stuff; it makes me feel weird so I don't usually do it. But that might help me drop nic levels, so that would be good.
Quote from: floatingLomas on September 08, 2014, 01:40:05 PM
I did the same, but I found that if you draw in more slowly (ie, longer) and then hold it in your mouth before you inhale it, it is substantially more effective. Hope that's clearer.
Boom! and another way to make it more effective for YOU. That's what I'm talkin' bout! :cheers:
Some people, after years of vaping still don't like to direct lung inhale. That's okay! But my point is that they do find ways that make the nic absorption more effective, especially when they stop treating it like their analogues. As Lomas pointed out how he did.
.. and now that I think about it... I kind of do that when I try to stealth vape ^^ and that way is pretty effective too, as far as getting your nic!
- Bboy
Awesome! I'll have to experiment with different techniques, then. I really need to run through this juice, though... I've come to prefer more VG for some reason. Probably the vapor production and feel.
I <3 my provari mini / aspire nova bdc combo!
Been vaping off and on since 09, Quit analogs for good in march the same day my provari showed up.
Nice setup! Provari, eh? You aren't one of those elitists are ya?! :icon_mrgreen: Kidding! Provaris are near indestructible and hold their value beyond most any other vape products out there (cept my REO :flipoff:). Aspire truly has some of the best tanks out there, too.
Solid combo! :thumb:
- Bboy
I tried vaping for a little bit. Seemed like no matter what I did I just wanted a real cigarette afterwards. I've been a lot better now on quitting, only bought 2 packs in the past month. I've been dipping as a ways to cope. 1 dip at work versus half a pack of smokes, I'd say I'm making progress :thumb:
Here's something I thought would be interesting: http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140226/srep04133/full/srep04133.html
It's a study of nicotine absorption from vaping and analogs, in case anyone wanted a good (albeit rather technical) read.
Quote from: BockinBboy on September 09, 2014, 05:44:07 AM
Nice setup! Provari, eh? You aren't one of those elitists are ya?!
Lol no no definitely not.
I was just tired of other junk being junk and I already had a bunch of 18350's laying around from my vamo and mechanical, but it is THE best VV mod =P
The combo is perfect, I can chain vape the tank almost dry without any change in flavour or burning and I have zero desire for an analog.
Aspire's QC leaves to be desired, I've had about a 20% failure rate with atty's (burned within minutes at low voltage), but "good" ones last weeks at a time.
I still keep my mech with a kick around for backup.
Dear lord, Provari... If only I had the money lol.
Anyhoo, does anyone have any experience rewicking with SS mesh? I saw a video about replacing the wick in a Type A atomizer with SS mesh. I figure since this atty probably needs to be cleaned and/or replaced, I might give the SS a shot. Worst case scenario, I pop in one of my 6 new ones lol.
My experience with Stainless mesh wicks was frustrating... Really tough to get it without hotspots. Wicking ability of stainless mesh is average, flavour is excellent, and life is excellent. I just haven't touched it in quite awhile because its not really suitable for builds under 1.5 ohms. I have an RSST atomizer that I liked to use them, but took me forever to get a decent setup going - and that's a much larger workspace to build on than a Type - A atty. Although I'm sure the lesser surface are would make it easier to build without hotspots, just much smaller to work with.
Edit: This does make me think, I have seen builds with stainless mesh on protanks - that's probably pretty similar. That was relatively popular when I was rebuilding those with cotton. I just didn't bother because of my previous experience with the mesh.
- Bboy
Well, you guys convinced me..... I just purchased the EGO-CC starter kit. Next payday I'll be getting a larger battery (or two) since this is coming from my "motorcycle parts fund". Anything else I should be looking at financially, aside from trying liquids?
You probably won't need them for a while, but future expenditure would be the atomizer heads. These kits usually come with 2 Ego-CC Type A atomizer heads. Generally, they cost about $5 a piece, but the one the kits comes with should last you awhile. I probably wouldn't purchase more until the first one goes out.
Edit: A tip for longevity of your atomizer heads/coils is to try to stick with clear or mostly clear juices - atomizers last considerably longer with most of these juices vs. darker blends
- Bboy
Something to keep in mind: the mix you should get depends on what you want. PG for throat hit and flavor, VG for vapor production. "V is for vapor". I'm personally going with 80/20 VG/PG, as would like more vapor with a little less TH. Making your own wicks, if possible, can also reduce expenditures, as you can expand the life of an atty. There's plenty of info out there about cleaning and rewicking attys.
Speaking of which, I'll let you guys know how this steel mesh works out. I'm hoping if I roll it right, I can get some good capillary action going. The mesh should be in at least by Monday.
Good info Bock, thanks. I think even if I break even after it's all said and done (cost of vaping compared to the cost of smoking analogs), I'll still be ahead of the game because of getting away from all the tar and garbage. I just don't want to be surprised and SOL and have to switch back to analogs.
I ordered the Ego CC kit today with a 10ml of Joyetech liquid to get me started. I'll start dabbling in other liquids and hardware as time goes on though.
Thanks guys! You're a huge help.
Fascinating. A high-tech nicotine addiction.
You outlaw GS500 bikers are into "vaping" ?
Jeez, what's next, a "show us your tattoo" thread? :thumb:
Was a nicotine addict from about 1972 to about 1998.
Smoked Newports.
Loved the damn things. And yeah, even after all these years I still miss em'
Cool technical thread on vape hardware. Glad I found it.
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Yup. Outlaws on our antiquated commuters lol.
So, I had a chance to play around with the mesh. I keep getting a burnt flavor with waaaay too much throat hit. Kind of makes me think it's not wicking fast enough? I tried it on a new atty as well with the same result. I guess I'll just have to play around with it. Maybe it'll work better with less VG...
Any ideas, BBoy?
Yeah sounds like it isn't wicking fast enough. Less vg/more pg would help with wicking faster. What size mesh are you using? I found the larger mesh sizes were better for thicker juices/ higher vg, and the smaller mesh were better with thinner juice/ higher pg.
Also, I had trouble with hotspots when using SS mesh if I didn't oxidize the mess out of it - hot spots will instantly give a harsh flavor. The coil would sort of short with the mesh in a spot and give a really low resistance that would heat up in that spot, so the mesh had to have a nice layer of oxidation from a hand torch to prevent it. You can use a regular lighter but it just takes longer. I had mini torches around from my cigar days, and it was much easier to do with those.
- Bboy
I have 316L #400. I thought I oxidized the daylights out of it. I heated it to bright red and quenched 3 times, then did 3 burns with juice.
Hmm, sounds like you did right. I also used 400 mesh, but I was using 65/35 vg/pg at the time. Do you know what resistance you built?
- Bboy
That's the funny part lol. I'm playing around with the Joyetech Type A heads. The silica works alright, but it's still a little slow for 80/20. I thought about building a setup, but I have money in other places right now. I'm just trying to find a way to take longer drags with this mix. Maybe I'll try 70/30 next.
Edit: Woohoo!! Apparently I needed more capillary action. I just rolled another slightly longer and almost solid wick. It works like a charm! It actually keeps up with the 80/20 better than the stock silica did, with no burnt taste at all.
Oye so far over my head lol, was an analog for nearly a quarter century. From 16 til not too long ago. Til it kinda destroyed my lung capacity. Never understood thw mods in vaping, or what makes what etc. But hey if it works, then why not Eh?
Well, I am a vaper. Been doing it since June 2012. I started with the Ego twists, and worked my way up to a ProVari and use a Kayfun Rebuild able atomizer. I build the coils with 30 gauge kanthal wire and organic cotton.
I've even rigged a rubber hose on the tip so I can vape at stoplights with my full face helmet on.
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Heck ya! Very popular combo, and hard to go wrong with that setup! I LOL'd at the hose, haha. I keep my PV in my tank bag, and will pull it out if I'm stopped at a train or just decide to pull over to stretch/rest or similar. I think I'd have to use a tank system to pull that hose off though, lol. Might be hard to fill the atomizer with juice just at a quick stop with gloves on, and still get a vape in.
- Bboy
I was actually looking at a Kayfun. I recently moved up in the world to a Prometheus with a Nemesis mod. Currently on a 1.3 Ohm dual microcoil build made with 28 gauge and steel mesh. No Provari for me... I'm too poor lol.
I'll definitely have to think about that hose idea lol. There have been many times on the bike that I just wanted a hit or two.
Its a 4" long section of hose that we use to take pressure readings/duct traverses, etc. A nice improvisation, if I do say so myself. It fits nicely into my interior jacket pocket, so if I have 30 seconds at a light, I drop to neutral and take a couple of puffs.
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Can anyone explain the moddings of various types and why its done?
I think what is confusing about the term 'mod' when it comes to ecigs is because its used to mean two different things.
1st: Usually when a vaper says 'check out this mod'... they are talking about the battery holder of at least a 2nd generation and above vaping devices also know as an APV (Advance Personal Vaporizer). 2nd gen vaping device is one that has either a larger rechargeable battery or removable rechargeable. 1st gen vaping devices have the battery built in and most are disposable - most people think of these 1st gen devices when they think of ecigs. 3rd generation adds on another element with rebuildable parts and/or juice delivery system to the atomizer.
The reason battery holder are called 'mods' is because back during 1st gen, folks would literally 'mod' the ecigs into a more powerful and satisfying product - which gave birth to early 2nd gen devices. Since then a more powerful battery or removable rechargeable battery has been called a 'mod' - because in essence, the entire device had been modded. Technically, its inaccurate to call them 'mods' now because they are manufactured to be this way now, but the term has stuck. Manufacturers of 2nd gen and above devices mostly call them APV as mentioned above.
2nd: Modding - People mod all kinds of things on 2nd gen devices, which has gave birth to the 3rd gen devices we are into now. I suspect it will continue to happen given the trend :icon_rolleyes: lol. People mod them to make them better, more efficient, more reliable, more satisfying. The entire concept of vaping is still just a baby - there are serious flaws with nearly every device on the market. Some do work well, yes... but its a question on reliability and how long they work well. Leaking, dry hits, battery life, safety, are all big topics that modding addresses. I think modding is overall a very good thing for the industry because it forces manufactures to improve their products. The market changes so fast like this... what's consider the top devices today, will not be even a month from now. This doesn't mean an aging device doesn't work well for any particular person - they figure how to make them work them, and it keeps them off analogs - which is the whole point of vaping - so there is nothing wrong with not being into the next biggest thing, or modding your own. But every 2nd gen vaping device and above that exists is because people modded it first.
The topic of 'rebuilding' sound like modding, but really, many of the devices that you 'rebuild' are designed for this - so let me explain how we got there. 3rd gen devices use rebuildable atomizers. Rebuilding refers to making coils and wicking inside the atomizers. With these you can completely customize the vapour your device produces. Some are better at this than others - and this is changing most rapidly right now. Rebuilding didn't just start to customize your vapour though - its started because disposable atomizers go out and you have to buy new ones - that gets expensive fast - some last a week two, and others last a day or two - quality has always been a problem in this area. So folks originally were rebuilding atomizers that died to save money - then they found out you could get better results many different ways by rebuilding, which gave birth to 3rd gen rebuildable atomizers, which are designed to build your own coils and wicks.
The device I use (REO Grand) has technically been around since late 2010 - which should make it an absolute dinosaur in this industry - but it has been improved and 'modded' by the maker himself, over and over to keep up with the times. What's amazing is that is the same overall design and principal, which says something serious about it in this rapidly changing industry.
Hope this clears some of it for you! lol
- Bboy
ETA: For those who may read and already have some of this knowledge... I only used 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen in order not to confuse it too much... the generations have technically been broken down further to separate classes/levels of vaping devices that have evolved over time - basically what exists 3rd gen and up are reiterations built upon the last that deal with variable power output. We are currently on the 5th generation of vaping devices.
Soon as i get a look at the one ive got will let you know what it is. Its bone stock. Oi use mod meaning modify or built to improve over stock. I know noth poo ng about this field .......... Yet. If memory serves me albeit not to well due to he a lth, the removable batery says something like ego cc or something of the like
Thread resurrection!!
Just an update on my stuff. I moved from the CC to a mini Protank 3, which is my carry everywhere device so I can beat it up without too much regret. However, I also got a Prometheus RBA clone with a Nemesis clone ($40 for both, cause I'm cheap). It's FANTASTIC. I'm currently running .8-.9 ohm dual micro coils with cotton. I tried the mesh, but it just didn't work out as well. It was a PITA to build it right, though. It took me about 7 rebuilds to finally get it right.
BBoy, you are a waking encyclopedia for vaping. That was a lot of good info. That REO is a box mod, correct? How do you like it? I was looking at getting the new Vamo v8 as a VW for subbing. I was looking at the box mods, too, but I don't know how I feel about that form factor.
Oh, he moved to a ProT3... I would say your next move is a nautilus mini, but you've got a mech and rda... so If you figure out how to really dial it in, you'll be stuck in the RBA world. Since you were so dedicated when working on the SS mesh, I imagine you'll get the hang of the RBAs well. Some folks drip at home and use tanks while out - due to the hassle of dripping.. so keep in mind that nautilus mini though ;)
I know exactly what you mean about form of box mods... I was really against the whole idea of a box mod... Honestly, I don't even know why. Once I had the REO in my hand, the shape and everything just makes sense. They actually stay put when you set them down, don't fall over by themselves or roll of the table, fits in your pockets (and doesn't look like a 'flashlight'), fits your palm, compact. Its weird how my REO has 6mls of juice on board and its still seems smaller than my Nemesis! REOs remove the hassle of dripping, its a simple bullet proof design, and is backed by outstanding customer service. I sound like I sell em or somethin', but I just really like em and highly recommend them.
:cheers:
- Bboy
Well, I just dropped a few bucks on some new stuff. I got a Vamo V9 as my main mod for the Prometheus, and I got a Nautilus. It's actually funny. I was looking for a good DD that wasn't the Prometheus, and the Nautilus kept popping up. Then I realized that you mentioned it here lol. I'll probably be pairing that with my Nemesis with the kick, as I can't use the kick with the Prometheus (same .9 ohm duals as before!). So I'll have the Nautilus as my daily, with the Prometheus sitting at home as a kind of night cap, if you will.
Unfortunately, I didn't spring for a REO... My brother-in-law has an MVP2. It's nice, but I just don't know if I like the boxes. I'm just stubborn, I guess lol.
Double posting. Yay!
Just thought I'd offer this up to anyone following this thread at all:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069
It basically says that at "higher" voltages (5.0) some devices/juices can produce aldehydes, which are known carcinogens. They fail to state wattage, resistance, temperature/airflow, or heat flux of the coil, but it's at least preliminary research. There seem to be a few more out there, which I'll continue researching. I just think it's good that studies are being done. Hopefully we'll get some good studies from independent labs covering more variables.