I just installed a china made relay and installed led signals they are flashing as emergency signals and the indicator light isn't flashing at all. Any ideas why this is?
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CMO3V0S
This is the relay btw
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The way the bike is wired from the factory; the L_turn and R_turn (out of the switch) are not only wired to the respective signals, but also to either side of the turn indicator bulb. So in essence with the (low current draw) LEDs your turn indicator bulb is acting as a short causing all the signals to flash. You could take out the turn indicator bulb or do a diode modification to the turn indicator bulb socket (in this case the indocator still works). Simply cut both wires for the turn indicator, splice one to the B/W wire (high indicator), and solder a diode on each of the 2 wires from the harness and the out of both diodes to the free wire for the bulb socket.
I thought putting the different relay in solved that issue. But just to make sure not only do you have to change relay but you have to unhook the indicator light?
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The LED compatible relay is to take care of hyperflashing issues; the 4-way flashing is a different issue altogether. If you were to put the stock relay in you'd have super-fast 4-ways.
Pulled indicator bulb now they aren't flashing just solid if use left signal left ones are solid if I use right they are solid
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If I put stock relay in id have no flashing only time you have fast flashing is if either front or back is led and other is stock....
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What are the specs on your LEDs?
The page you have on the relay doesn't show it's current rating either.
I'm thinking prolly need a diff relay that was only 4 bucks so I wasn't very confident in it from the beginning
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Rear are 12v 5.4 watts front are 12 volt 6.48 watts
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This is the relay I bought and it works perfectly with LEDs on all 4 corners; I also did the diode mod on my cluster since I put LEDs into all the indicators.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-2-Pin-Motorcycle-Motorbike-Universal-LED-Turn-Signal-Indicator-Flasher-Relay-/261163628315?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cce90b71b&vxp=mtr
So in theory if I buy that take indicator light out I should be good?
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Quote from: cyamaura on February 28, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
So in theory if I buy that take indicator light out I should be good?
Yes that should work; I can't remember if I tested that relay with LED signals prior to the diode mod and LED indicator, but it may work with the stock turn indicator wiring as well.
I'm gonna mess around with it a little more before I order anything else it frustrated me so I quit messing with it for now. If anyone has any other ideas it would be greatly appreciated
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Get something like these, they work great. For 10 dollars don't bother messing around with diodes and what not.
http://www.thirdgear.com.au/products/Pair-of-Motorcycle-LED-Indicator-Resistors.html
Had same issues as you, swapped all 4 flashers with LED ones. plug those inline with stock relay works great.
I've seen them on ebay too.
Quote from: CraigR on March 01, 2014, 03:40:56 AM
Get something like these, they work great. For 10 dollars don't bother messing around with diodes and what not.
If you want to use LEDs in the cluster, then you have to do the diode mod for the turn indicator.
The stock Turn Signal Relay (TSR) is set up for a specific power draw through it; with a different power load it flashes at a different rate. So when using power resistors in parallel with the LED signals, you have to be sure the total load is the same as with the stock tungsten bulbs. I had initially tried to get mine working with some power4 resistors I had on hand and it didn't want to work right. I found it easier (and cheaper) to buy a universal TSR that to get a set of resistors which may or may not work.
Anyone else have any opinions why all four are flashing?
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The turn indicator connects the left side to the right side. LEDs use so little current that what goes through the indicator will fire LEDs on both sides.
You MUST do the dual diode mod to the turn indicator to isolate the left side from the right side. You might get away with replacing the indicator with a non-polarized LED, but the most reliable way is get 2 cheap diodes from Radio Shack for a buck (1N4001 or better.)
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Is the only way to solder them? I have no experience doing that
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For now, you can remove the turn indicator lamp.
Where are you located? (It is not in your profile)
I used to do it for people. I'd send them a modified gauge light harness for a couple bucks in exchange for their non-modded one. Usually I never got one back so I ran out of spares and got tired of the frustration. It was a big loss on my end.
I pulled the bulb out it did nothing still all flashing and they actually stay on but just flash brighter when you turn on signals . Im at work and there's a radioshack next door I bought the diodes and going to get a solder gun and solder at harbor freight tonight. I'm just worried there is something else going on also. I'm in spokane btw you sent me the chain guard
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Soldering is the bast ;)
Quote from: cyamaura on March 01, 2014, 05:37:40 PM
I pulled the bulb out it did nothing still all flashing and they actually stay on but just flash brighter when you turn on signals . Im at work and there's a radioshack next door I bought the diodes and going to get a solder gun and solder at harbor freight tonight. I'm just worried there is something else going on also. I'm in spokane btw you sent me the chain guard
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You have something wrong in your wiring.
With the bulb out, it is the same as the bulb burning out. All 4 signals cannot blink together with the indicator bulb out. That is the ONLY connection between the left and right sides.
Suggestion: Put things back to stock for now. When the passes are clear, ride over to West Seattle and we'll do a wrench day. I have a spare bedroom you can stay the night.
Could I have possibly mixed positive and negative on signals? I had to use butt splices to connect I really don't want to take them off..
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Could it possibly be that it is a 3 dollar relay?
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On the front or the back, could you have mixed up the wires?
Black/white is ground (negative) and all black/white are the same.
as I recall, green is the right signal positive and black the left signal positive. Same front and rear.
A cheap flasher relay would only make them blink fast, slow, stay on (when left or right is on with the turn signal switch) or not at all.
When you push in the turn switch to turn off the turn signals, all power to the signals is disconnected. They can't go on.
So somewhere you have some wires mixed up.
As adidasguy said, solid on, not on, or wrong flash rate is the relay; all on/flashing has to do with the turn indicator wiring and current draw of the turn signals. The best fix for the latter is the diode mod.
It has to be the relay everything magically worked perfect when I got home with the indicator bulb out and now all of a sudden there solid either right or left side I accidentally broke the indicator bulb so I'll order one of those and a better relay I got the diodes and solder iron so I'll put it together once they come in I looked at Adidas guys photos of how he soldered it and diagram of direction of diodes . Thank you guys for your help I would be completely lost with out it
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I should have taken a pic of my super clean solder joints when I did my diode mod; they were perfect and smooth :D
Mines an 05 model and never had any trouble with my after market indicatirs. Other than when i fitted them they flashed at warp speed just changed the relay for a good quality after market one and that was it job done . No soldering or removing lights etc
Quote from: Crasm on March 02, 2014, 05:25:23 AM
Mines an 05 model and never had any trouble with my after market indicatirs. Other than when i fitted them they flashed at warp speed just changed the relay for a good quality after market one and that was it job done . No soldering or removing lights etc
It depends how much power the new turn signals draw. In some cases with LED turn signals (primarily very low poer ones) and stock turn indicator, the turn indicator can act as a short between the 2 sides resulting in 4-way flashing regardless of whether you activate the left or right signal. In that case you either need load resistors or the diode mod.
If you are replacing the tungsten filament bulbs in the cluster with LEDs, then the diode mod is a must or else the LED would only work for one direction (unless you can find a non-polarized LED).
I've been to 5 stores this morning trying to buy a relay instead of ordering it.
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So soldered the diodes finally found a led relay in town everything is hooked up but indicator light is not working and left side blinkers not working and right side work perfect totally lost at this point
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I take that back I rechecked everything I had wired the diodes incorrectly resoldered them everything works perfect with the 35$ relay from napa thank you guys for your help
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Quote from: radodrill on March 01, 2014, 07:25:39 AM
If you want to use LEDs in the cluster, then you have to do the diode mod for the turn indicator.
Ahh yea ok, I replaced my whole gauge cluster with a koso RX2+ so wouldn't have that issue.
I did however have all the exact issues he was mentioning and those thingos fixed em.
Do you have a part number for that relay? I went to the local part store an they don't know what I'm talking about .
Technically the one I got is for trailers I went to many stores before I found it most people have no idea what they are looking up in there system r I would recommend ordering online just don't order the 4 dollar one I did lol
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BOZBC2U/ref=aw_ls__1?colid=1CSEW7MZOXH5C&coliid=I1EL0R8W4MW4OR
This looks like a good one
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Cool thanks.
Where the relay located
Quote from: smittybuilt92 on April 21, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
Where the relay located
I am quite amazed that people work on their bikes and have no manual at all.
Everyone must have a manual to maintain and work on your bike.
The manuals show where all the parts are in addition to regular maintenance, specs and trouble shooting.
Flasher relay on right side next to the voltage regulator and side stand relay on the metal bracket.
Hey now. I was given the bike and didn't receive one. I've gotten by just fine with out the thing. But back to the question all the other posts on this topic everyone says 2 pin relay. That relay on the bike is a 4 pin. So riddle me that one cuz I'm sure the manual wont tell me that.
Excuse the crankiness. It is Monday morning.
Do get a manual.
The flasher relay is 2 pins. The 4 pin would be the side stand relay. Flasher relay should be next to it. It may be a square black think or a round metal can.
On that metal bracket will be the regulator on the left (big thing with metal find). To the right will be the side stand and flasher relays. Further to the right would be the starter relay (has the fuse hidden in it and a big red wire going to the battery).
If you provide a picture of what you see we can point out the flasher relay (unless the PO moved it somewhere else).
Thanks I got it. Manual is on order.