I don't see any sort of serial number on the filtera themselves. but they look like pods. and according to the PO, they're K&N pods. the priblem I'm having is that they don't seem to fit too well. I had a hard enough time getting them on the carbs when it was off the bike. I'm having an even tougher time with one now that the carbs back on the bike. it looks like maybe the PO chopped off a bit from the bottom, attempting to make it fit better, but that's made it worse if you ask me. the bike has been rejetted. stage 3 dynojet kit according to PO. so then could I just swap them out for a K&N lunchbox instead? sorry for the wall of text. thanks in advance for the help.
TL;DR: K&N pods don't fit so well. want to swap for lunchbox, bike has been rejetted. will it need another rejet?
Swap it for a lunchbox is my opinion. They shouldn't be tight like that, they may be for different bikes. The lunchbox fits snug but not crazy tight and looks like it would provide about the same amount of filter surface area. And I like the idea of it being a self contained thing. Anyway just my 2 cents
yea, I would really like to swap for the lunchbox. According to the dynojet site the Stage 3 is "Intended for motorcycles with stock or mildly tuned engines using a well designed aftermarket pipe and individual air filters." which is whats tripping me up.
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 15, 2014, 10:34:56 AM
looks like it would provide about the same amount of filter surface area.
same surface area, that would lead me to believe that the jetting would probably be the same, if not slightly different? or is my logic mistaken here? (sorry, new to bikes and carbs)
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 15, 2014, 10:34:56 AMThey shouldn't be tight like that, they may be for different bikes. The lunchbox fits snug but not crazy tight
They're not tight per se, its more like trouble with clearance I guess you could say.
(http://wiki.gstwins.com/uploads/Upgrades/pods.jpg)
So mine seem to have the rubber part cut down quite a bit, which is making putting and keeping them on quite troublesome. I'll post a picture once I get home from work.
Dont believe that DJ garbage.
Lunch box or those pods - you need 40/150 1 washer 3 turns.
A kit with those + bolts for you float bowls are $25 shipped in US if you want em from me.
Slam dunk jetting - you ahve a slip on pipe right - then yea.
Cool.
Buddha.
Yea Buddha is right, it is better to rejet with OEM mikuni parts... the jets are cheap, dynojet kit is expensive and apparently not very good. Its easy peasy to do it using the OEM jets and needles + washers. And yea when comparing two intakes with the same filter material, the one with the larger surface area will have easier air flow. But from all the information I see the KN pods should have basically the same surface area as the KN lunchbox, therefore the same air flow (so same jetting, etc... treat them as the same). Also the lunchbox fits perfectly, no clearance issues at all... make it easy on yourself and get a lunchbox filter.
Quote from: The Buddha on August 15, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Dont believe that DJ garbage.
Lunch box or those pods - you need 40/150 1 washer 3 turns.
A kit with those + bolts for you float bowls are $25 shipped in US if you want em from me.
Slam dunk jetting - you ahve a slip on pipe right - then yea.
Cool.
Buddha.
yea. that sounds good. I actually just stumbled on the table with the different jetting options. I have a yoshi black can, was told its a full system, not too familiar with the stock exgaust so I can't say for sure.
I'll PM you with the pertinent info.
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 15, 2014, 01:31:12 PM
Yea Buddha is right, it is better to rejet with OEM mikuni parts... the jets are cheap, dynojet kit is expensive and apparently not very good. Its easy peasy to do it using the OEM jets and needles + washers. And yea when comparing two intakes with the same filter material, the one with the larger surface area will have easier air flow. But from all the information I see the KN pods should have basically the same surface area as the KN lunchbox, therefore the same air flow (so same jetting, etc... treat them as the same). Also the lunchbox fits perfectly, no clearance issues at all... make it easy on yourself and get a lunchbox filter.
yep. looks like that's the route I'm gonna be taking.
thanks for the info and help.
Alot of times you can get the lunchbox @ most autoparts places
well whaddaya know? its actually the same price at autozone as it is on amazon, thats a first. I wouldve expected a markup or something for buying it in store. looks like im picking one up tomorrow morning. :woohoo:
EDIT: need to special order it, dammit.
Quote from: crispy_22 on August 15, 2014, 06:24:07 PM
well whaddaya know? its actually the same price at autozone as it is on amazon, thats a first. I wouldve expected a markup or something for buying it in store. looks like im picking one up tomorrow morning. :woohoo:
EDIT: need to special order it, dammit.
check other local partshouses. Advanced and oreilleys both have them on hand. Around here anyhoo
yea. o'reilley would be my only shot at getting it in stores. I have to call and see if they have any in stock. but I don't mind eaiting. a friend of mine gives me her employee discount at autozone. so I'll probably just do that. unless of course I find it somewhere else perhaps. not sure where else you'd find k&n filters. maybe offroad warehouse...
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 15, 2014, 01:31:12 PM
Yea Buddha is right
Sneaky - very sneaky.
But you have to get up very very early in the morning to get one past me ...
Dont "Buddha's right me" missy - what happened to the bike whose motor you put in that bathtub and bathed off ...
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on August 16, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 15, 2014, 01:31:12 PM
Yea Buddha is right
Sneaky - very sneaky.
But you have to get up very very early in the morning to get one past me ...
Dont "Buddha's right me" missy - what happened to the bike whose motor you put in that bathtub and bathed off ...
Cool.
Buddha.
It was a gas tank not an engine!!! :icon_eek: :D lol
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 16, 2014, 03:01:44 AM
Quote from: The Buddha on August 16, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 15, 2014, 01:31:12 PM
Yea Buddha is right
Sneaky - very sneaky.
But you have to get up very very early in the morning to get one past me ...
Dont "Buddha's right me" missy - what happened to the bike whose motor you put in that bathtub and bathed off ...
Cool.
Buddha.
It was a gas tank not an engine!!! :icon_eek: :D lol
Yea yea yea, tomaato tomeeto. Where is the bike Joweaver88 ?
Cool.
Buddha.
putting the finishing touches on it this weekend, Ill throw some pics up in a different thread.
Quote from: The Buddha on August 15, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Dont believe that DJ garbage.
Lunch box or those pods - you need 40/150 1 washer 3 turns.
A kit with those + bolts for you float bowls are $25 shipped in US if you want em from me.
Slam dunk jetting - you ahve a slip on pipe right - then yea.
Cool.
Buddha.
so one other question, since it has a DJ Kit, will I need to get a hold of a pair of stock needles? or could i just adjust the circlip on the DJ one?
Quote from: crispy_22 on August 19, 2014, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on August 15, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Dont believe that DJ garbage.
Lunch box or those pods - you need 40/150 1 washer 3 turns.
A kit with those + bolts for you float bowls are $25 shipped in US if you want em from me.
Slam dunk jetting - you ahve a slip on pipe right - then yea.
Cool.
Buddha.
so one other question, since it has a DJ Kit, will I need to get a hold of a pair of stock needles? or could i just adjust the circlip on the DJ one?
You cant clip your way out of the thing from stock to K&N and pipe.
However if your bike ran 1/2 way decent, you can adjust it and not change the setup drastically and be fine.
150 mains will not work if you have DJ needles. Something around mikuni large slotted round - 135 is mains for DJ needle and K&N and pipe.
40 pilots no matter what ... that part is same as if you had a stock carb.
I'll read your post again and post more relevant info.
Cool.
Buddha.
If your bike ran good with them weird filters, K&N ru2970 lunch box will not change that.
Make a few test rides and post back.
Cool.
Buddha.
more likely than not, the filters were just pods with the bottom chopped down a bit.
I'll post pictures of em and report back once I get the new jets and everything dialed in.
so one other question, since it has a DJ Kit, will I need to get a hold of a pair of stock needles? or could i just adjust the circlip on the DJ one?
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Yes I believe you should... better safe than sorry. Better to swap them out now while you have everything broken down into its components. Go on bikebandit and check the parts fiche for the carbs... be careful though there is a mistake on the parts fiche (I ran into this when ordering my stock needles a couple months back). You will see that on the fiche image the needle is labeled #18 and the needle jet is labeled #20. But down on the product page you will notice that number #18 is $30 a pop... thats for the needle jet not the needle. For some stupid reason they transposed the numbers and wont change them even though I called twice to tell them about their mistake. So it is part number #18 on the fiche image, but you need to order part #20 on the list ($12). Of course you will need two of them.
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 19, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
Yes I believe you should... better safe than sorry. Better to swap them out now while you have everything broken down into its components. Go on bikebandit and check the parts fiche for the carbs... be careful though there is a mistake on the parts fiche (I ran into this when ordering my stock needles a couple months back). You will see that on the fiche image the needle is labeled #18 and the needle jet is labeled #20. But down on the product page you will notice that number #18 is $30 a pop... thats for the needle jet not the needle. For some stupid reason they transposed the numbers and wont change them even though I called twice to tell them about their mistake. So it is part number #18 on the fiche image, but you need to order part #20 on the list ($12). Of course you will need two of them.
Too bad the picture of the needle on the sticky doesnt show the full thing, so I could compare it to mine, I've heard the DJ needle has a more drastic taper.
I dont mind taking the carbs off and then throwing them back on, its not too big a deal. Although in theory couldnt you access that without removing the carbs, just removing the tank?
but I'll add that to my 'to-buy list' which quickly seems to be getting longer and longer
Here is a picture of the EU model needle... it is identical to the US model needle except that it has multiple c-clip grooves to be adjustable. The US market will only have a single groove (hence the need for the washers to shim the needle).
http://images.cmsnl.com/img/products/needle-jet_big1338301D10-01_810e.jpg
I was just about to edit my post to include a few pictures that I stumbled upon, but thanks for posting that one! I guess the one on here is the EU one too then? those different grooves did throw me off at first. I think mine is slightly different.
(http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/Photos/CarbnJetPhotos/StockvsDJNeedle.jpg)
(http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/Photos/CarbnJetPhotos/StockvsDJNeedleClose.jpg)
Left is stock EU needle I think.
Right one is DJ or other aftermarket needle.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: The Buddha on August 20, 2014, 07:41:57 AM
Left is stock EU needle I think.
Right one is DJ or other aftermarket needle.
Cool.
Buddha.
is the only difference between the EU and USA just the grooves at the top then?
and yea, the taper on mine is much more drastic. been too busy to pull the carbs. need to buy a choke cable too...
Quote from: crispy_22 on August 20, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: The Buddha on August 20, 2014, 07:41:57 AM
Left is stock EU needle I think.
Right one is DJ or other aftermarket needle.
Cool.
Buddha.
is the only difference between the EU and USA just the grooves at the top then?
and yea, the taper on mine is much more drastic. been too busy to pull the carbs. need to buy a choke cable too...
Yes thats the only difference, the EU model was adjustable and the NA model was not. Otherwise identical. I don't know if there are some other differences to the carbs though... there may be. But yea that other needle you have actually isn't a Dynojet needle. The dynojet needle tapers very extremely and not evenly... the taper almost "steps down". However that is still definitely some sort of aftermarket needle... just not dynojet.
The other aftermarket needles are Factory, but those are nearly just like stock. Maybe the euro version of the factory is like yours ?
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 20, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
The dynojet needle tapers very extremely and not evenly... the taper almost "steps down". However that is still definitely some sort of aftermarket needle... just not dynojet.
yea that's just the a random picture I found online while looking for a stock needle. mine definitely has an extreme taper. as you said it steps down. you can pretty much see a little ring where it gets wider all of a sudden.
Quote from: The Buddha on August 21, 2014, 04:54:34 AM
The other aftermarket needles are Factory, but those are nearly just like stock. Maybe the euro version of the factory is like yours ?
Cool.
Buddha.
once agin I've yet to get a chance to pull the carbs and get pictures. not enough time between work and nursing an angry tongue piercing.
My advice would be to just try out the lunchbox with your current jetting - it may actually work fine. You'll likely have issues if you swap the lunchbox and jets in without swapping the needles. And it could very well work out just swapping the lunchbox. Once the lunchbox is in, if you still have a mixture issue, get the mikuni jets and needles... Best case you save some time and dough, worst case you gotta wait a couple days on jets and needles.
- Bboy
Quote from: crispy_22 on August 21, 2014, 11:33:33 AM
not enough time between work and nursing an angry tongue piercing.
ohhh man I know that feeling, got mine pierced about 2 years ago... rough
Quote from: joweaver88 on August 21, 2014, 12:59:46 PM
Quote from: crispy_22 on August 21, 2014, 11:33:33 AM
not enough time between work and nursing an angry tongue piercing.
ohhh man I know that feeling, got mine pierced about 2 years ago... rough
yea I stretched mine, it was fine. a month later, its swollen and trying to eat the jewelry, haha. but it doent seem too angry anymore. at least I hope.
here are the long overdue pictures, now that I'm looking at it, they dont really look like the K&N pods...
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/495x371q90/540/DqkRIQ.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/495x660q90/540/6DaB60.jpg)
and then heres the photo from the wiki for reference.
(http://wiki.gstwins.com/uploads/Upgrades/pods.jpg)
so yea, it does kind of look like theyre different, but they still have a K&N logo on 'em. meh, I'm switching them out for a lunchbox anyway so no big deal. Just waiting on some stuff, and my next paycheck to start changing everything out. (should probably throw a breather filter on there as well)
if anyone cares, the stock needle vs my dynojet stage 3, in case anyone cares.
(http://i.imgur.com/b5N8dTP.jpg?1)