Hello All,
I've been scouring the inter-webs over the past couple months, and it's gotten me pretty confused. So I'd just like some clarification. I have an 04 GS500F, and I'm currently trying to upgrade my exhaust system. I'd like to do a full system upgrade (headers, mid-pipe and baffle), and I've read some contradicting things. I've read the exhaust system hasn't changed much for our bikes from '89-'09, its mostly just a question of matching up the flange work. I'm also curious if you could get the headers and mid pipe from one system, and use the baffle/slip on from another system (say, Jardine H+M and Twin Brothers Slip on). Is there any truth to this? Any have some experience to share?
its all about sizing... they are pretty simple. :thumb:
also there's no "mid" pipe on the GS. it's just headers + slip-on. :thumb:
One thing I will say, is make sure what ever aftermarket headers you get.. make sure they have that H section where the stock ones are at.. that's there for a reason. if you want to know why, head over to youtube and search for videos about exhaust system and how they are optimized.
the short and dirty response. the H section gives you a better torque curve, creates a harmonic change with the exhaust gases, and their pulses, helping the gas move a little bit faster through the system. as one cycle puffs out, it goes past the open pipe. part of those gases go into the pipe, creating a low pressure, so as the other cylinder fires, the low pressure created by the mid section is now on the other side, and it pulls the gases downward, and it rinses and repeats...
I've been trying to find the sizing I would need, but with no luck. Do you know how to take the measurements/where I could find just headers? I don't care so much if it's the same make for the headers+slip-on, I just want the as much of a boost as I can get with the sound I like the most.
Can't help on the size but there is a link on the site (do a search) where one of the members has several videos of different systems with audio. Does a good job of giving you an idea of what each one sounds like. The difference between stock and say a V&H is a real surprise. Makes the GS sound like a real crouch rocket. When a GS with the V&H hits 8 to 9 thou it really screams.
You wouldn't happen to know the URL offhand would you? I've searched a couple times but I haven't come across that thread yet.
My bad....they are on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xOx3PVukn8
There are a bunch of others with different exhaust systems
That's where I've seen a lot of the videos of the various systems for the bike. I like the Twin Brothers slip-on sound better, but I'd like to get a whole system.
So I was going to go with a Jardine RT-One full system, but I can't seem to find one anywhere. The dealership had them listed in stock, but when they went to pull it, they didn't have any, and the supplier had stopped carrying that exhaust. I feel like I've been sucker-punched. Does anyone have any experience with modding or building their own exhaust?
why the need for a full exhaust on this bike. ..... just get a slip on for a different look and sound.
I did a $90 ebay find from a gsxr 1000. matt silver finish like the frame. a $.99 cent connector from AutoZone and a welder. A little black paint and done.
Hi all , well let me tell you what I know , jardine is NLA , motad in uk (nexxus) (full system) will not confirm fitment on a gs500f ( the added oil cooler ) , same goes for V & H does not fit , ok predator in england has not confirmed fitment ( the added oil cooler) cobra in australia shows downpipes for $ 500.00 plus link pipe and muffler need to be added in price , never got confirmed fitment ( the added oil cooler ) or confirmed price and posted up on this site many times IF anyone has cobra , motad (nexxus) , predator , vampire (bsm) (germany) and laser deeptone fitted on a gs500f , bassani in anaheim needs 25 orders ( money down ) to start production , leaves me to think that the only system that fits a gs500f ( full stock fairing) that you can buy today is DELKEVIC ........ please if anyone knows anymore information please post up , thanks in advance rg500gamma
I don't know why you'd need a full system, other than some slip-ons require a certain flange set-up coming off the mid pipe. I've found someone locally who's willing to mock up some custom headers and mid pipe if I need it, I'm just trying to decide on a slip on so he can build to match. I'm tempted to go with Two Brothers exhaust, but most of their stuff is just out of my price range for a slip-on. Delkevic sounds aright, and I know they'd fit, I'm just not sure if I like how it sounds. I've seen people with the SS70 on the 500, and I think I like that sound the most. Thoughts?
I'm also curious as to the difference between the 350mm and the 450mm. Does the length affect performance, sound, or both?
Hi Knohel , the reason for me not cutting off the stock muffler and putting a slip-on is I have shad hardcase luggage and I have contacted all the companys that manufacture slip-ons ,( i.e. yoshimura is the one I really wanted ) and they all said no idea if it clears shad hardcase luggage , then delkevic told me that their full system SS70 (might clear) so I left my stock system in place , I go to search on the web everyday to see IF anyone out there has a different exhaust slip-on or full exhaust system with shad hardcase luggage and still no luck , IF I make the cut and the slip on muffler hits the shad hardcase luggage I will have problems , IF I try to fit-up a full system and it hits the shad hardcase luggage then I can go and put the stock system back in place . kind regards rg500gamma
Quote from: knohel on February 19, 2015, 12:44:37 PM
That's where I've seen a lot of the videos of the various systems for the bike. I like the Twin Brothers slip-on sound better, but I'd like to get a whole system.
Hi Knohel , you are saying here wanting a whole system
Quote from: knohel on March 03, 2015, 07:17:51 PM
I don't know why you'd need a full system, other than some slip-ons require a certain flange set-up coming off the mid pipe. I've found someone locally who's willing to mock up some custom headers and mid pipe if I need it, I'm just trying to decide on a slip on so he can build to match. I'm tempted to go with Two Brothers exhaust, but most of their stuff is just out of my price range for a slip-on. Delkevic sounds aright, and I know they'd fit, I'm just not sure if I like how it sounds. I've seen people with the SS70 on the 500, and I think I like that sound the most. Thoughts?
Hi Knohel then you give this message
Reckon it would be possible to buy any slip on a person preferred.... then go to a exhaust man that knows his stuff... "man!, that can to clear that case!.. new pipework and bracket to suit please!... go!" ...
It is. .. afterall. .. somewhat of a custom fit task... cost a 'few bucks' extra but you'd have your hearts desire!?
Well I'm saying I'm not sure if I'm getting/needing a whole system b/c if I can find a slip-on that already fits onto the mid pipe of the stock system, then I could use that. Or after talking to my fabricator guy, I could decide I want the whole system and and have him go nuts with the upgrades. Obviously one is a lot more easier than the other, but both are viable options at this point. And I what I want is 1) performance upgrade 2) unique-ness upgrade. Not that I have any issue with point #2. I'm already pretty unique in the area; I just want to stand out that much more. Plus it'd be nice to make cagers hear me so they don't try and cut me off (it's happened plenty of times).
Hi Knohel , yes I know what you are wanting , when you get it done please post some photos , what I did was mount-up a very much louder horn tell I get the exhaust up-grade done , take care Knohel
Yeah I'll post what I do. I'd really like to get the Two Brothers SR-1 Racing Slip-on or something from their Black series. I'll post pictures when I'm done as well. I'm planing on posting a complete list of upgrades/stuff I've done to my bike as it's pretty unique and I've yet to see anyone with similar upgrades. My concern with the SR-1 slip on is that it's very LOUD! It's not designed for the 500, rather it's designed for the GSX-R 600/750, and our bigger pure sport brothers. I've read that it can reach as loud as 122 db at the slip on, which breaks my local sound laws by about 10 db. I love the throaty sound of it though, so I'm wondering if I can get a silencer tip with the slip on. Another issue is that the slip on is closer to $600+, where as the Delkevic 350 and 450 systems are around $260 tops. That's a pretty big price difference. Delkevic also has a 8" carbon fiber slip on the GS as well. Are located in the states or somewhere else in the world rg500gamma?
Hi Knohel , what I have been looking at is on e-bay delkevic , great prices , some people I have talked to say its pretty good stuff , kind regards rg500gamma I am in california close to los angeles (whittier , santa fe springs )
I got the 8" Delkevic slip-on. It should be here tomorrow. I ordered it from Delkevics site, so it's coming from then in Colorado. I'm dropping it off to the guy who's building my headers, and we'll see what he says and what he's able to do with it.
I'm selling my delkevic exhaust for $125 if you're interested
Servus,
Picture please to me :cheers:
Shipping to Germany?
Schultz -
I had already bought it and it was enroute. Sorry dude, I would have definitely been interested! I got the can tonight when I got home from work. Unfortunately, the alternator went out on my car on the way home, so I haven't had a chance to savor the new can. I'm going to hopefully get a new alternator and replace the one in my car Fri, so I can run the can over to the guy who's building my headers. I'll post pictures later this week.
On another note, I got sent this calculator from someone in another forum. Could any of you guys explain it to me in plain terms? I know enough to kind of understand it, but I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking at here.
http://www.mez.co.uk/mezporting/exhaust_length.html
alright, they sound great man! enjoy it esp when you crack the throttle!
i'll be having a dual exhaust made for my cafe racer project
I seriously thought about making mine a dual exhaust. If I had more money, I would have for sure. I saw a video on youtube where someone took a 500 and put dual hayabusa exhaust's on. I wanted to something similar but with the two bros exhaust. But the slip-ons alone would have cost around 1.2k, and I just didn't have that kind of money laying around lol. I figured for that much, I could have saved a little more and bout a 1k bike
Pretty sure the visa twin zorsts were someone on this board?!
Visa = busa. .. sigh. ..
The Slip-on came in at the end of last week. Took it over to the guy building my exhaust as soon as I fixed my car. He told me that as long as he doesn't get too busy, he should be able to get it done this week and have it ready for me this weekend. Which is great. It's starting to get into the 50's around here. I'm seeing bikes out and I want to go ride myself. Soon.....
Quote from: Janx101 on March 12, 2015, 07:47:50 PM
Visa = busa. .. sigh. ..
Yeah, I saw a youtube video the other day where someone put dual 'busa exhausts on a GS500. If that's what you're talking about
So I just got back from vacation and the guy has my system ready. I'll post pictures shortly. I think I'm going to get some exhaust wrap and wrap the pipes down to the mid pipe. Thoughts?
Isn't wrapping known to quickly rust out what's beneath it? No real practical benefit as far as I'm aware. Am I wrong?
Interesting read, this thread is. If I have a question to ask here, my dad always encourages me to first do a search to see if the question has already been posed and answered. That brought me to this thread; glad I found it.
So does this mean that the Delkevic aftermarket slip-on is the only one, thus far, that has been cleared, fitment-wise, for the 2006 GS500F?
My dad suggested that I start looking for an aftermarket slip-on pipe for my bike, (he's partial to LeoVince SBKs and Yoshis).
Are my choices that limited?
Thanks in advance.
Simple slip-ons made specifically for the GS are pretty limited these days.
However, the GS can accommodate a surprising amount of exhausts if you don't mind a little elbow grease and have the know-how.
You could probably find some threads on GSTwins about odd fitments.
Thank you.
If that's the case, then I'll be targeting a Delkevic slip-on then. Particular model number, anyone?
Life throws me enough odd fitments as it is. Prefer to keep it simple whenever I can. :)
Check out on ebay. There are lengths between 8" to 18" I have a 9" myself. Really depends on the sound you want. Longer exhausts will be deeper and quieter. Shorter will be louder and have more "pep"
Now that I have a target manufacturer (Delkevic), I'll spend some time watching YouTube vids of various Delkevic slip-ons on some GS500s first.
Carbon is over-priced for this homeschooled teenager, so I'll probably be looking for an aluminum one to save some weight over a steel one.
Thanks again.
Honestly, depending on the length you get matters more than the material. The carbon 9" over the steel 9" Delkevic difference in weight is negligible. Maybe a pound. I'd assume the difference would be just as small with the other lengths.
The longer the pipe the greater the weight difference, I suspect. I'm inclined to seriously look at the 18" setup. The throatier and deeper the better. And less noisy (as in the piercing kind) on the highways is also desirable.
Don't expect to have bags or passengers, so the longer the better.
I've run wide open cans - like wileyco and D&D as well as the small dia "tight and quiet" GS spec V&H or yoshi's.
I think the WFO cans are louder when you're standing next to them and revving. They seem like they'd be very loud on the road. The smaller ID cans seem like they would soften out into a burble and be pleasant at regular road rpm's.
Except, it doesn't happen that way. The small ID cans sound loud @ higher revs to the rider. The large ID WFO cans seem to send the sound behind you and less of it reaches the rider on the road speeds.
I dunno about delkevic ... I am old school, but I like the old school Yoshi's. I have a Titanium tri oval on the GS and absolutely love it. It was a pipe needing a triangle flange. Accurate and good looking fitment was no picnic.
Cool.
Buddha.
When I was younger, my dad took me to endurocross events whenever they came to town. That's where I first noticed the sound differences between the two-strokes and four-strokes that competed, and that's where I first developed a preference for the deeper, four-stroke sound.
I guess that bias is now carrying over to my own bike. :)
BTW, does this mean that there is at least one Yoshi slip-on that fits our bikes: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yoshimura-TRS-Slip-On-Exhaust-Stainless-Fits-Suzuki-GS500F-2005-2010-SS-SS-AL-/331357175125?fits=Model%3AGS500F ?
There are Yoshis that fit, yes. Yoshis are some of the most popular slip-ons for the GS
As you can see, they're quite pricey compared to the delkevic.
Devikah - I have the 8" slip-on, but have yet to hear what it sounds like on the bike. My phone and washer decided to take easter literally and died, so I'm currently without a good working phone to take pics and videos. I'm trying to recover what I had on my old phone, but it's going to be awhile. As far as sound, the 8" can I bought does come with a silencer, if you're concerned about it being too loud for you on the highway. And I had custom headers/midpipe made, so I cut probably ten pounds off my bike. As far as wrapping with heat tape, the tape transfers heat away from the engine, down the pipes, and out the exhaust. The guys in the racing world (car, dragster, etc) wrap all their headers in them to help boost performance. That's where I got the idea from. As far as rust, it's negatiable from what I've found. You'll get no more rust than if you were to just leave them open and bare. As far as other slip ons are concerned, as long as you can get the right flange to fit on the bike, you can pretty much put any slip on on. Especially if you plan on cutting your own pipe to to the muffler. The guy I went to does racing pipes for cars, so he was able to help me out with the sizing. I went up a 1/4" in pipe (went from 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" pipe) to a 3" collector and stepped it down the the mid-pipe that came with the Delkevic slip-on. All I did for ordering was searched the mufflers for the 04500 on their site and selected the first carbon fiber 8" racing slip on. It's similar in specs to the Twin (or Two) Brothers racing slip on, but comes with a noise silencing baffle, which is what I wanted (in case cops give me issues here).
So im reading that the header crossover pipe is important. For what - low end torque?
I just bought a used VH system that I will mount on my 2009, it has no crossover pipe.
Am I going to be sorry? Should I add a crossover pipe?
hmm i'll post a video of my dual exhaust on my bike.
You can all get an idea. Then I'll post a video today or tomorrow
Quote from: Weedy64 on July 28, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
So im reading that the header crossover pipe is important. For what - low end torque?
I just bought a used VH system that I will mount on my 2009, it has no crossover pipe.
Am I going to be sorry? Should I add a crossover pipe?
Your engine is gonna go....BOOOOOOM
Booommmm......really, save your nonsense if you have nothing worthwhile.
dual pipes my friends, sorry for the crappy quality this cheapo phone is pretty crappy
Quote from: Weedy64 on August 07, 2015, 11:29:55 AM
Booommmm......really, save your nonsense if you have nothing worthwhile.
Hey hey calm down bro ;) .. we are a happy casual group here and Mr Finke has been around a fair while...
The boom thing is a occasional running joke and I'm sorry if he upset you with it... :thumb: ....
with some more time on this board you may notice how we all 'mostly' get along like a reunion event, a few jokes.. a few jibes... general chat. .. and even a few disagreements. .. what you usually won't find is massive flame wars and high aggression arguments.. which can be found on so many forums...
Its like the bike itself, easy to ride, user friendly and one anybody can enjoy...
:thumb:
Quote from: Weedy64 on August 07, 2015, 11:29:55 AM
Booommmm......really, save your nonsense if you have nothing worthwhile.
Sorry you're sensitive and can't handle a friendly joke.
Quote from: Janx101 on August 07, 2015, 02:41:10 PM
Quote from: Weedy64 on August 07, 2015, 11:29:55 AM
Booommmm......really, save your nonsense if you have nothing worthwhile.
Hey hey calm down bro ;) .. we are a happy casual group here and Mr Finke has been around a fair while...
The boom thing is a occasional running joke and I'm sorry if he upset you with it... :thumb: ....
with some more time on this board you may notice how we all 'mostly' get along like a reunion event, a few jokes.. a few jibes... general chat. .. and even a few disagreements. .. what you usually won't find is massive flame wars and high aggression arguments.. which can be found on so many forums...
Its like the bike itself, easy to ride, user friendly and one anybody can enjoy...
:thumb:
Thanks Janx :thumb:
Well said Janx!!! That is indeed how this forum is and I love it. :cheers:
I'm a member of a few different forums and this one is by far the most mellow, it's refreshing really. Sorry to thread jack, back to exhausts lol. :thumb:
Fair enough....guess I was just cranky :embarrassed:
All good from my view.. refreshing to see a newer member on any forum acknowledge an error and continue without angst! :thumb:
Yep back to exhausts
VH has larger headpipes and a much smoother transistion Y into mid-pipe\can, it does not need an H pipe. It will deserve a ceramic coating this winter. With the lunchbox K&N, recommended jetting, no emissions crap and advanced timing the bike has really woken up, and much better cold starts. Initial reports of better mileage, even with 15T front, but yet to be confirmed with a reserve to reserve test ride. Sounds like a bigger bike but yet not offensive, at least to me. I repacked the can.
GF (primary rider) is happy with it so really what else matters.
cept changing the oil filter is much less nice! Change oil more often and filter less I guess. :thumb:
Sorry I haven't been around much guys - I had knee surgery two months ago, so I've been pretty busy simply recovering from that! Needless to say, I didn't get a chance to ride this season - I just got back to walking a couple weeks ago, and my leg isn't anywhere close to 100%. But, on the bright side, I'm just about finished with all the upgrades I had been planning on doing to the bike. I got custom pipes made, (no crossover, went out 1/4" in diameter, down to a 3" collector) into the 8" Delkevic racing slip on. I'm planning on wrapping the pipes in black exhaust heat tape, to try and maximize the flow. I was running hot before as well (I actually melted the back of my wheel fender), so I'm hoping the shielding will help with that. She's in lots of pieces now, and I'm hoping to get her to a shop so they can assemble her and check the valves sometime in October. But I've got to buy a new phone that month too, so we'll see when I actually get her running. But even if I don't ride her, she'll be running by the end of the year.
As far as the thread jacking and general shenanigans... I don't care! lol I know that no matter how hard you try, eventually people will get off topic. Besides, I'm always down for some good natured teasing and fun! :D :cheers: