..... A toast , to go with the pâté ...... No that's not right!! ... Damn I'm tired!!
.... A game of sorts! .... Not so much a competition .... (And it may fall flat on its arse depending on participation) ... An... Hmm .. Anecdotal response to a question survey! ... Everyone got it? .... No???!
Ok.... To explain.... I'm ready to get my bike back on the road.... It's been sitting in the shed for a year.... Started it... Runs rough.... Drained and replaced fuel.. Still runs rough.. So I have the sinking feeling I need to remove and clean the carbs..... For which I need a JIS Screwdriver! ... Well WANT a JIS anyway... I could use a Phillips ... But .... Don't wanna! ..
So ... last couple days on my way home from work, I spot various tool shops.... To entertain myself I figured to go in and look/ask for a JIS ... I already know pretty much that the only option is online but sometimes it's worth a look anyway to see all the other shiny things and dream of the ultimate workshop!!! :woohoo:
So ... I've gone into various stores - auto parts, hardware, builder/trade tools etc... Been browsing along the screwdriver section... When various store muppets come up to "assist my purchase decision" ...
Just one example..
'Need anything mate?' .....
"Err yeah, but you probably don't have it" ...
'We have almost every tool type!, screwdriver you need? What tip?' ...
"JIS for my UJM" ...... ....... ......
Seeing their faces as they try to figure out what the hell I mean, PRICELESS!!! ...
'Oh yeah, so a Torx then?' ....
"Noooo, a JIS , looks like a skinny Phillips "
'Ahh a skinny Phillips , you need a #1 tip then...'
"No, it's same look as Phillips but slender blades"
'We have some German engineered driver bits over here with slim very strong tips!, that should work!
, the mechanics love them!, only $49 for the kit!'
"Yeah I bet, but I just need one screwdriver or driver tip in JIS .. Not a whole set.... You got Torx, square drive, Phillips, Posidrive, Allen ... And those weird security sets with every type of tip that I've never even seen a screw or bolt for!! ... But no JIS!"
'So what's it for? your URM?'
"Nah, UJM... Universal Jap Motorcycle, need to pull the carbs apart and I don't want to mess up the screws and have one stuck in there if I burr the head with a Phillips"
'Ahh yeah ok.... Come up to the counter and we can order one in!' ...
"I can order online easy enough, just thought I'd check on the rare chance someone had one, all good bro... Thanks for your help"
YES I KNOW .... Not really fair.... But entertaining.... I also got a lad trying to sell me a light mounting bar and security bolts...... Another that said they'd been out of stock since the weekend but the delivery should be here tomorrow (then couldn't find the reference code on the computer for them... No surprise !) ... And finally this afternoon ..
A stellar lad!! A veritable Einstein!! ... Who nodded and said
'Yep, what bike is it?... Ahh yeah, no we don't keep them... Your best bet is online! .. I've asked about getting a small order in before so we have some in the back shelf for those who really need them but the boss said no' ....
I nearly gave him $5 just for him knowing what the hell I meant!! :icon_lol: .. But 5 bucks is 5 bucks!
SO FINALLY .... If you lot feel like it.... And remember to..... Go into your various local tool stores and ask for a JIS for a UJM ... Then relate the entertainment here! ... Hopefully there will be some cool responses by the sales staff!?
..... Just a tired , extended , postwhorish thought!
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Hee hee Janx, you've been sucked in by the 'OL' JIS' scam... A bit like the one where the apprentice was told to run down the ironmongers to get a can of black and white striped paint!
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Righto then Jools, why is it a scam? .... what should I do instead? ... if I booger up a screw head I sure as hell don't want to stuff around with an extractor.... I don't particularly want to butcher the tip of any of the good drivers I have.....
So. ... mainly. .. why is it a scam?
Dude - I didn't read your post - its seems like you're post is 30 pages of irrelevant rant.
Here is how to fix a sitting bike that runs rough.
Disconnect the fuel line to the carb from petcock.
Get a inline connector.
Get 2-3 ft fuel line size hose.
Connect and put a funnel at the open end.
Heat water and Yamaha carb cleaner 3 to 1 to boiling hot in microwave.
Pour in.
Wait 2 hours.
Drain.
Repeat (if it floats your boat or if the drained out liquid comes out looking like beer) If light beer - its OK, if water like - even better. Some jelly like material is OK. Normal.
After 2-3 iterations of that - put just hot water and drain it while still hot. Float bowl should be hot. Like you clean a gun.
Then repeat with wd40. 1-2 times. Just a wee bit. Not filling up the bowl. WD40 removes water.
Then repeat with gas. Gas removes wd40.
Ride the sucker and see.
Cool.
Buddha.
Only Yamaha carb cleaner.
Second option is seafoam (ducks for cover).
Cool.
Buddha.
JIS is not a scam. It really has helped me not to butcher all the screws on my Japanese bikes. I had to order mine online too :).
always had fun asking for a water pump for a gs. or a 73 super beetle lol.
Buddha. . Yes it's irrelevant. . Its in odds and ends. .. maybe I'll tf it.... the bike being rough is the sideline topic.... the sales staff thing is the main topic.... relax, chill! :thumb:
Do appreciate suggestion but not pouring water into a closed carb set.... nope!
Whaaaaa - dude Yamaha carb cleaner instructions say you should.
I only changed a bit of the proportions. And made it hot instead of warm.
Cool.
Buddha.
or call shop and ask why does your gs500 sound like its running on 2 cylinders?. ( you would be surprised how many ppl would not know of our twin lol)
Quote from: Janx101 on September 15, 2015, 04:25:32 AM
Righto then Jools, why is it a scam? .... what should I do instead? ... if I booger up a screw head I sure as hell don't want to stuff around with an extractor.... I don't particularly want to butcher the tip of any of the good drivers I have.....
So. ... mainly. .. why is it a scam?
Just having a bit of fun with you bro' :wink:
Ok ok... I normally browse the forum just before sleep time... I get a bit. ... tetchy. .. sorry.
Quote from: The Buddha on September 15, 2015, 02:25:21 PM
Whaaaaa - dude Yamaha carb cleaner instructions say you should.
I only changed a bit of the proportions. And made it hot instead of warm.
Cool.
Buddha.
Yeah.... but. ... not knowing how gummed up/stuck open or not the internals are.... is there any risk of water down into the cylinders?
I'd rather pull the damn things off the bike!
Probably will anyway... not looked inside these type carbs yet.... only at photos which are fine if only referencing the real thing being right....
Have avoided fiddling with carbs overall.... not fearful of doing so.... but why yank something out that's run perfectly until now....
Also might lift the cam cover and investigate shims etc.... for the knowing!
You really don't run that risk. You'd overflow into the airbox first.
Besides, you're putting a few ounces, not gallons and gallons. And if you are really particular - make sure you get about the same quantity as you put in approximately.
Ok if after that its still bothering you, take out the spark plugs and crank it over after the first few passes with water. And spray wd40 into the cylinder via spark plug hole for good measure.
Cool.
Buddha.
Quote from: Janx101 on September 17, 2015, 04:16:14 AM
Quote from: The Buddha on September 15, 2015, 02:25:21 PM
Whaaaaa - dude Yamaha carb cleaner instructions say you should.
I only changed a bit of the proportions. And made it hot instead of warm.
Cool.
Buddha.
Yeah.... but. ... not knowing how gummed up/stuck open or not the internals are.... is there any risk of water down into the cylinders?
I'd rather pull the damn things off the bike!
Probably will anyway... not looked inside these type carbs yet.... only at photos which are fine if only referencing the real thing being right....
Have avoided fiddling with carbs overall.... not fearful of doing so.... but why yank something out that's run perfectly until now....
Also might lift the cam cover and investigate shims etc.... for the knowing!
Hmmm. .. ok... if you say its legit then I'll go with it.....
So drain the carbs first yeah?
Quote from: Janx101 on September 17, 2015, 10:16:31 PM
Hmmm. .. ok... if you say its legit then I'll go with it.....
So drain the carbs first yeah?
Yes and look at the color of what comes out. You really want to not see anything darker than light beer, and when its about that light beer color with the yami+water, switch to straight hot water. And if it gets clear, spray wd40 in through the drain or in the hose. Then gas. Again should not get any darker than what it went in as you get to the later stages.
Cool.
Buddha.
Haven't had cash for cleaner yet so not started that task....
Was a strong smell of fuel in garage tho..... looking looking.... when I took reserve line off frame petcock I must have split the end putting back on :/ .... not fuel everywhere but a weep down the line and lotsa vapours.... removed the split section and reinstalled carefully. ...
And while was at bike, started with full choke, 3k rpm max it would go..... then it slowly chugged down till 1500rpm and quickly stalled out.... (maybe bowls empty but didn't perform like that).... would I have gunk in the jets also?
..... so. .. yes I'll still do the yami clean thing...... but is that stuff going to touch the jets? Or is it just easier to pull the whole set off carefully and go whole hog?
I just ordered a set of JIS screwdrivers on Amazon. Been putting it off forever.
I wish my GS ran on two cylinders...
When I bought it and got it home, I put jumper cables on it and it fired right up but sounded like it had a terrible exhaust leak.
Didn't take very long to locate the problem.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ej0BGqBNxk0/Vghltww2P3I/AAAAAAAB4fw/fi_Hyr1ak3c/w408-h725-no/20150927_141725.jpg)
S'pose that's so you can peer in that hole to check that the other pot is working :cool:
Err removed with thread intact?... or blown out?