I want to get an exhaust for my bike. I need to hear from the full system and the can people out there.
I"ve been combing old posts and can't seem to get any real consensus about the advantage of putting on a can. The full system advantage is obvious, but I'm trying to save a few bucks.
So here is what I've seen about the cans.
1. Some say they are just for noise.
2. Others argue that they improve low to midrange.
3. Some say installation is easy, others say it is tough because the GS's system is fully welded (don't you just cut it anyway)
Here are my questions.
1. If i rejet and put on pods will a can help?
2. Is installation really a Buddha Loves You?
Any comments are appreciated. I'd like to order fairly soon.
Also, any good links to sites for cans or V7H prices would be appreciated.
So far I"ve found cans on bikebnadit for 159 and V&H for like 286.
thanks
Jake
I am not the expert, but you definitely want to rejet if you put a full exhaust on the GS. As documented here, the bike will run lean in stock configuration already.
As far as installation goes, I haven't done full on mine yet, but it can't be that tough. Just a few bolts and you're done.
ASLAM.
yeah, full is no prob. I"m just wondering more about those who have installed the cans, specifically the cobras.
jake
ok, you don't need a full system if you rejjet!
i rejjeted with a lot biger main (150) and pilot (40), put on a K&N pod filter and a gsxr can....that's just the can not the full system....my bike runs great, sound awsome and looks a lot better with a much biger can :)
i had to make my own flange so i can bolt the gsxr can to the pipe, so it did take some fabricating, moving the can a lot further to the back of the bike and welding
I have the cobra F1s. The hard part was hacking off the stock can. Took me about an hour to hack that thing off, but I was using this old dull hacksaw. Maybe with a better tool it would be easier.
I have an '01. I've rejetted, and replaced stock muffler with the Cobra F1R. No problems, sounds & looks great. Installation was not difficult. Erector-set stuff. I would personally not spend the extra $$ and trouble on a full system, as I just don't think there's any significant advantage.
Good luck, whatever you decide.
it took me about 3 min's to hacksaw through the pipe on my gs so that wasn't the hard part for me, it was making the flange for the gsxr can...anyway, her is what it looks like...i still have to take the whole exhaust off and paint the whole pipe
(http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294751_44_full.jpg)
sorry for the dark pic :(
i've found some decent prices on the V&H system.
MAWonline has them for 265. that might be doable.
they also have the cobra cans for 140.
jake
Quote from: jake42i've found some decent prices on the V&H system.
MAWonline has them for 265. that might be doable.
they also have the cobra cans for 140.
jake
full system???
frost,
yeah that's the full system.
bike bandit is closer to 290.
jake
I've already had 2 Cobra pipes on my bike....looks good...sounds nice but they are not durable...my second pipe in fact came loose on the rivets from vibrations. I am having a V+H installed...full system...'bout time too. :thumb:
OK I am a can man...
I have tried full systems, basically on bikes that I was working on. Most recently Gino's had a Full V&H and it was loud but not louder than my V&H can on stock header, flowed fine but didn't make more power than my header and can setup (hard to judge cos his bike itself made more power than my worn out 89 but my older 90 with slip on was similar to his).
Then my 91 had Yosh full system, which I swapped for stock header and slip on yosh can. the result.... well the can is quieter at low speed and makes better low end torque. I am sure I lose a little top end but I am still using airbox and stock filter in that bike so Its probably choked up high anyway.
BTW IMHO the best can I have had on the bike was a GSXR D&D can, it had a fist sized hole in it, was loud as hell up high "someone sticking a poker in your ear and scratching the back of your skull" loud but from 6-10K it revved up like nothing else, and was a clean 500 rpm better than the other can I tried on it which incidentally was a Yosh can off a full system fit on a stock header. I tried them both on the same bike so I know for sure. They were both slip on fitted to stock headers.
So I believe the WFO nature of the D&D can was what made the difference and if you cant get it in a full system, well slip on is the way to go. Full systems also usually dont come with the centerstand stop, hamper access to oil filter hatch and drain bolt etc and I dont think the performance advantage can be realised on the street.
Cool.
Srinath.
srinath,
you rock man. That's the kind of answer I was looking for.
thanks
Jake
I have never used a cobra though, and honestly I saw a few and thought they were sorta crap, the ones on my eli 1000 are certainly crap. Get a good aftermarket can from a sport bike off ebay... I bought the one on my 91 for ~80+shipping.
Cool.
Srinath.
how hard was it to fit the D&D and the Yosh cans to the stock header?
jake
I know a guy who can get the V&H full system for $263.46 (85% of MSRP) plus shipping. Problem is, in California you have to pay sales tax. Otherwise I'd consider it a great deal. If anyone wants to order from this guy let me know.
ASLAM.
Quote from: jake42how hard was it to fit the D&D and the Yosh cans to the stock header?
jake
It was easy, The D&D has that clamp on type fitting. You just have to get a pipe slipped on and flared and welded to the headers. Then its slipped on and clamped. The Yosh or the V&H kave to be welded in place, which makes it neccesary to take the bike to the muffler shop to make sure it doesn't hit stuff like foot peg carrier etc..
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Srinath.
If I want to put on a D&D pipe, what do I tell my parts guy that I want? What does D&D stand for and what model GSXR am i going to buy it for? I am planning on a K&N and jet kit as well as a can and a 15t front and 39t rear sprocket combo. Should my power feel alot stronger? And will a katana 600 shock affect anything like a wheelie ect?
Sorry for the thread jack, one question led to another! :kiss:
D&D is D&D... stands for ... well - really wide open exhaust... in french. Just kidding... D&D is pretty popular so mechanics/parts druids know. Mine came off a 90 1100 GSXR. Short and huge hole... big enough to lose a cell phone in... honest. Really though buy it from a wreckers, cos you'd spend 300 bucks for the damn thing new or ebay it. No need for a jet kit. Use the 150/40/1 washer/3 turns with K&N in place of air box.
Katana shocks probably wont affect the wheelie ability.
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Srinath.
Quote from: seshadri_srinathReally though buy it from a wreckers, cos you'd spend 300 bucks for the damn thing new or ebay it. No need for a jet kit. Use the 150/40/1 washer/3 turns with K&N in place of air box.
Katana shocks probably wont affect the wheelie ability.
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Srinath.
So even with a K&N and the pipe I don't need to rejet the motorcycle? Wouldn't a rejet while i have everything apart make sense, or it realy doesnt make a difference and is a waste of money? Also, i don't understand what you meant by "Use the 150/40/1 washer/3 turns with K&N in place of air box." I am still in the dark about that.
Thanks
Hey all... thanks for all the info on this topic.
I called my local salvage/wrecker/dealer guy today and he got me a great deal on a V&H system so I went with it. I convinced my wife that it was only 3 weeks till my bithday and she bit on that one and so I ordered it quick before she regained her senses.
Jake
Quote from: HarbouroneQuote from: seshadri_srinathReally though buy it from a wreckers, cos you'd spend 300 bucks for the damn thing new or ebay it. No need for a jet kit. Use the 150/40/1 washer/3 turns with K&N in place of air box.
Katana shocks probably wont affect the wheelie ability.
Cool.
Srinath.
So even with a K&N and the pipe I don't need to rejet the motorcycle? Wouldn't a rejet while i have everything apart make sense, or it realy doesnt make a difference and is a waste of money? Also, i don't understand what you meant by "Use the 150/40/1 washer/3 turns with K&N in place of air box." I am still in the dark about that.
Thanks
You have to rejet and the 150/40/1/3 is the jets and the settings you start with. Just dont buy a Kit is what I am saying. A kit is right about as effective as the jets and the jets cost a lot less.
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Srinath.
Holy crap man! I must have had some bad rum or something for me not to pick that up! I understand it completely now. I geuss you could say i was sleeping at the wheel! :oops:
I did the K&N replacement filter and 127.5/40/1 washer/3 turns. I'll probably rejet to 150 if I go full exhaust, but for now the bike runs pretty well. Maybe still slightly towards the lean side of things...
ASLAM.
Quote from: aslamI did the K&N replacement filter and 127.5/40/1 washer/3 turns. I'll probably rejet to 150 if I go full exhaust, but for now the bike runs pretty well. Maybe still slightly towards the lean side of things...
ASLAM.
No 150 is only for pods. With exhaust/slip on 127.5 is right. With stock and K&N drop in 125 is good. You are fine if you put on a exhaust.
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Srinath.
Ok thanks for the info. I'll stick with the current settings then.
ASLAM.
OK then where is it lean. Make sure your float level is right. Up to the float gasket and no more checked with U tube method.
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Srinath.