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Title: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 25, 2016, 09:06:21 AM
Okay, inspired by bikes like the "KTM Duke 2" and even the "Honda Grom" I played a little with Paint.NET (like photoshop but free) and came up with this:

(http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31978663/gs_sumo.png)

atm my GS is relatively stock, some little changes like bars, exhaust, etc... but this will be the first big changes I'm doing on a bike.
Hope I get this done, luckily a friend of mine will help me who works as a car mechanic.

So does anyone have some ideas what could look even better? or what to look out for while trying to build that?


Oh, and has anyone an idea which seat could maybe fit relatively good? I used Kreidler SM 125 seat in the pic, but idk if it would work in real life.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: mr72 on October 25, 2016, 09:28:46 AM
Quote from: Ne0n on October 25, 2016, 09:06:21 AM
Oh, and has anyone an idea which seat could maybe fit relatively good? I used Kreidler SM 125 seat in the pic, but idk if it would work in real life.

I think it'd be easier to just modify the stock seat by pulling the cover, making your foam shaped the way you want, then re-cover it so it is shaped like the seat in the picture.

Then get a set of broken/donor side plastics and google "plastic welding" to start on a long, difficult road of trying to make the sides look like that.

Putting on a headlight&fairing from whatever donor bike that has that style on it should be comparably simple.

Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Jim Knopf on October 25, 2016, 09:55:52 AM
Servus,

Heckrahmen komplett von ner Crosser nehmen, etwas längere Schwinge rein und ne Crossergabel. Speichenfelgen und Handprotektoren. Auspuff hochlegen. Fertig.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 25, 2016, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: mr72 on October 25, 2016, 09:28:46 AM
I think it'd be easier to just modify the stock seat by pulling the cover, making your foam shaped the way you want, then re-cover it so it is shaped like the seat in the picture.
[...]
Putting on a headlight&fairing from whatever donor bike that has that style on it should be comparably simple.

Yeah, thought about that one, too.
But I'm not sure if it would look that good compared to a "real" sumo/dirtbike seat?

yeah, changing the headlight is of course the easiest part about this.



Quote from: Jim Knopf on October 25, 2016, 09:55:52 AM
Heckrahmen komplett von ner Crosser nehmen, etwas längere Schwinge rein und ne Crossergabel. Speichenfelgen und Handprotektoren. Auspuff hochlegen. Fertig.
(Translation: Take the whole rear frame of a dirt bike, put in a longer swing and a dirt bike fork, spoke rims and hand protectors. Move the exhaust up. Done.)

Guess we should talk English in a English speaking board... :D

Yeah, well, all that stuff would be way above the budget I can put into the build.
Things like the swing, the fork and the wheels could be altered later on, but are not necessary atm, as the budget is rather small.

Hand protectors are maybe planned, not sure about it tho, moving the exhaust so it fits the rear is also planned, if necessary.

But the idea with the dirtbike rear frame sounds not that bad, could be better than just trying some bullshit with the original frame.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Bluesmudge on October 25, 2016, 01:13:17 PM
I'm just going to say it....

If the bike is that ugly in concept art I can't wait to see how ugly it will be in real life. Do whatever makes you happy but I hope you are not cutting up a stock GS that is in good condition.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: gregjet on October 25, 2016, 01:59:48 PM
Much easier to make the side panels in fibreglass/innegra
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 25, 2016, 02:31:34 PM
+1 for fiberglass... gregjet beat me to it lol

Good luck on your project Ne0n  :cheers:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 26, 2016, 02:38:16 AM
thanks for the tips and stuff.
Did a little bit more editing on the concept, puttin the rear a little bit higher.
Tried moving the exhaust up too, like it is for supermotos, but didnt liked the look of it.
Would need to adjust the angle of the exhaust tho so it fits the angle of the rear.

(http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31983637/gs_sumo_higher.png)
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Endopotential on October 30, 2016, 10:37:37 PM
How about this for inspiration?  It's the Vitpilen 701, hopefully to be released soon by Husqvarna

It's one of the prettier bikes I've seen of late    http://www.sportrider.com/gallery-husqvarna-vitpilen-701

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e124/Endopotential/husqvarna-vitpilen-gallery-02_zpsaa1x2ecw.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Endopotential/media/husqvarna-vitpilen-gallery-02_zpsaa1x2ecw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 31, 2016, 01:31:39 AM
Yeah, that one looks neat!
Lil bit to oldschool for me, I'm more into those really modern looking bikes, but especially the rear looks great. :)
Good inspiration, thanks!
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: The Buddha on November 02, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: Endopotential on October 30, 2016, 10:37:37 PM
How about this for inspiration?  It's the Vitpilen 701, hopefully to be released soon by Husqvarna

It's one of the prettier bikes I've seen of late    http://www.sportrider.com/gallery-husqvarna-vitpilen-701

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e124/Endopotential/husqvarna-vitpilen-gallery-02_zpsaa1x2ecw.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Endopotential/media/husqvarna-vitpilen-gallery-02_zpsaa1x2ecw.jpg.html)

Looks like an old MB5, which Ironically I believe the GS was made as an improvement on IMHO.
Cool.
Buddha.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: mr72 on November 02, 2016, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: The Buddha on November 02, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
Looks like an old MB5, which Ironically I believe the GS was made as an improvement on IMHO.

You man this 80s monstrosity?

(https://a9feded4-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/mb5supersite/info/mb5bro4.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cq4wMhWm-5cHBQgLhUT6w9PzVzQ9nHWS9aTyOJNl_S6Pz9MEMeYVgDFv2v6HASenplZ1gbsQa0KkKrlLTrKCrRsM9qhhUEk179_ZtauzEY7CqLWkSzeplffXlh0JLVZu_iX8np80H9JGGSB3hH8e1UgAUggDj1R3IIP4UNJK_SdgTrSkIsUrOiJNWpq0VN8Pvh6theYKc6oWBX9yg7CtVRQ7n_aIQ%3D%3D&attredirects=0)

I can't imagine how a 50cc 175lb overgrown moped could be at all related to the GS500, but I really don't know anything about the genesis of the GS500.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: sledge on November 02, 2016, 11:18:30 AM

(http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31978663/gs_sumo.png)

Hate to think where your pods are gonna end up when you have to slam on  :D

Seats like that work on crossers and trialers because the rider puts far more weight down through his legs, on a road bike its an accident waiting to happen  :dunno_black:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: iamhiding on November 19, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: sledge on November 02, 2016, 11:18:30 AM

(http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/31978663/gs_sumo.png)

Hate to think where your pods are gonna end up when you have to slam on  :D

Seats like that work on crossers and trialers because the rider puts far more weight down through his legs, on a road bike its an accident waiting to happen  :dunno_black:

that was my first thought haha Sledge knows the pain  :icon_lol: :icon_rolleyes: haha

interesting ideas, cant wait to see some progress on it.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on November 23, 2016, 08:31:31 PM
Found this when scrolling through a google search for custom gs500... reminded me of this thread!
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/c98.0.883.883/12105031_154020044944188_1832329324_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTA4Njc1OTgwNDcxMjg1MDk2OA%3D%3D.2.c)

Here's where the pic is from:
http://www.imgrum.net/user/treasuregarage/2083671348/1088857687452882855_2083671348
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: gregjet on November 24, 2016, 01:59:44 PM
If you go that style road, a more tapered ( conical) muffler will look better I think.
Ignore other peoples negative comments on looks. We all have different things we like. I am not a fan of the Vit Husky look, but I appreciate the style idea.
I also dislike the "cafe" style round bump rears. The original cafe racers did that for two reasons. They were copying the race bikes of the day that concentrated ALL their efforts on fairing the front without recognizing the flow release was as important.
AND there was race regulations that stipulated the size and position of the rear of the seat. There still is. The MotoGP bikes have strict rules of a similar nature, which is why instead of fully fairing the rear of the rider ( more like the 80's and 90's bikes) we have the tiny rear cowls.
A contemporary "cafe" racer built to the same ideas of copying the current race bikes would look very different from the current late 60's early 70's look.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Hupjai on November 24, 2016, 04:00:49 PM
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on November 23, 2016, 08:31:31 PM
Found this when scrolling through a google search for custom gs500... reminded me of this thread!
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/c98.0.883.883/12105031_154020044944188_1832329324_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTA4Njc1OTgwNDcxMjg1MDk2OA%3D%3D.2.c)

Here's where the pic is from:
http://www.imgrum.net/user/treasuregarage/2083671348/1088857687452882855_2083671348

Wow! I'm hold myself back from my grinder.  I would like to make something like that.... perhaps after college.....  :technical:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on June 22, 2017, 08:31:37 AM
Well, ya know, it never works as planned.
The engine of my car blew up, and my new car was wrecked 3 days after I bought it, so budget was and still is super low.
As I have not the skills to build a custom rear myself, I'm trying to at least get done what I can by myself.

As I said, budget got tighter and tighter, but I still got something done and got the light mask on the bike.
Looks really dope in my opinion:

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33380982/IMAG0115.jpg)



Also I have some cross bike bars and some 2-finger brake/clutch levers in the mail which should arrive soon.
(Shoutout to 'iamhiding' for stealing his idea of the cross bike bar  :cheers: )

Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on June 22, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
Ugh, sorry to hear about your bad luck there Ne0n!! But yes, that mask looks neat :thumb:

Great to see an update!!
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: iamhiding on June 29, 2017, 12:15:51 PM
remember that time something went to plan? ... nope me neither  :icon_lol: gutted to hear it neon, hope it works out as you have some interesting ideas.

always loved the mx style number plate headlight look. how do you find the light output? mostly the output is pretty pathetic/dangerous with that style in general, i've had to stop myself buying one a few times.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on July 03, 2017, 01:14:36 AM
Quote from: iamhiding on June 29, 2017, 12:15:51 PM
always loved the mx style number plate headlight look. how do you find the light output? mostly the output is pretty pathetic/dangerous with that style in general, i've had to stop myself buying one a few times.

Well I rarely ride at night, so I don't need the best light output. But the few times I rode in late evening I'd say it was bright enough.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on July 10, 2017, 01:04:23 AM
Parts have arrived, and I finally found the time to mount em.
After a short 3-hour ride I can tell you, MX-bars are the sh*t! It's just so much fun to ride the bike, I love it!
But I feel like poppin a wheelie every ten seconds, despite the fact I'm not able to with stock engine and stock gearing. :(

Anyways, it was a great decision, and the new 20 bucks AliExpress levers are way better than I have imagined. I definitly would recommend them.

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33489837/2017-07-1009_57_57-attachment.php783442.jpg)

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33489838/2017-07-1009_58_21-attachment.php878496.jpg)



Oh and a better pic of the new levers, if anyone is interested:

(https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33489859/IMAG0211.jpg)

Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 05, 2017, 11:42:58 PM
Finally some progress (coming).
Yesterday my Balu Racing bow spoiler has arrived.
I hope I get to put it on the bike this weekend and be able to provide you guys with some pics.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 05, 2017, 11:58:41 PM
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Sounds great!!! And I know cbrfxr will be really excited for pics :D
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 09, 2017, 07:21:59 AM
bow spoiler mounted. :)

(https://i.imgur.com/1bcdRlP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UJLVZDL.jpg)


Next thing on the list would be replacing the big ass numberplate holder with something smaller.
Also I wanna find a way to get the frame black without taking the whole bike apart.
Maybe I'm gonna try wraping it with black car wrap.

Oh and I definitly wanna get rid of the purple stock decals. Maybe gonna replace them later with something unique, but not sure about that.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 09, 2017, 11:34:04 AM
If you haven't already, check out the wiki section about fenderectomys... awesome and most of the time free way of modifying that huge part of the back fender. It was one of the first things I did when I got my GS!

That belly pan looks really nice... I never thought I'd want one for my bike but a while ago on the GS5 facebook group, someone suggested that my bike would look good with one and it's been in the back of my mind... how much did yours cost?

I'll be sad to see the purple decals go... guess I have a girly side after all lol!!! :icon_razz:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 10, 2017, 05:42:55 AM
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on October 09, 2017, 11:34:04 AM
That belly pan
Ahhhh, so it's called "belly pan"? Good to know, google translated it into "bow spoiler" haha :D


I've bought mine of a board member of our german gs5 board, I spent 42€ incl. shipping (around 50 bucks) for it.
It's used, but was already painted and ready to mount, which is nice.


But if you wanna try to buy one yourself, this is the website of the manufacturer: http://www.balu-racing.de/motoparts/subkat.php?id=2&sid=cbn223v1jp8ahvfj44hfui0k44
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 10, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
Thank you so much!! That is a better price than the one from the Skidmarx website :thumb:

Do ya have any more pictures of it you'd wanna share for me? :kiss3:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 10, 2017, 11:30:44 PM
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on October 10, 2017, 10:27:01 AM
Do ya have any more pictures of it you'd wanna share for me? :kiss3:
Sure. Should I upload them here, or just send them to you directly?  :thumb:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 10, 2017, 11:49:40 PM
Either one would be great! I'm thinking you should share 'em here though cuz there are others on the board who love pics :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 11, 2017, 05:12:17 AM
Okay, those four are the only ones I have on my phone right now.
If you want to see some other angles or stuff, just tell me, and I'll take some pics for you.

(http://www.acgpix.de/uploads/5e4f0cc00bc1dee963ff8fe8b4f94643.jpg)

(http://www.acgpix.de/uploads/70aaedc5bd81fb56207f5fd627626d3f.jpg)

(http://www.acgpix.de/uploads/d933485286954e960fb0fa28900de07a.jpg)

(http://www.acgpix.de/uploads/78d742c03431fabe8a080dedb347f811.jpg)



Oh and by the way, what did you mean with that?
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on October 09, 2017, 11:34:04 AM
If you haven't already, check out the wiki section about fenderectomys... awesome and most of the time free way of modifying that huge part of the back fender. It was one of the first things I did when I got my GS!
Not sure what "fenderectomys" is supposed to be, or if it's just a typo? Could your give me a link or something? :D
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: cbrfxr67 on October 11, 2017, 06:56:52 AM
Looking good just like that :bstar:  I say just enjoy it and ride :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 11, 2017, 10:27:36 AM
I think I like the look of that pan better than the others that I've seen! Thank you for the additional pics :cheers:

Does it have a drain or opening in the bottom of it to let water drain out? Sometimes my bike gets caught out in the rain while I'm at work :technical:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on October 12, 2017, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on October 11, 2017, 10:27:36 AM
Does it have a drain or opening in the bottom of it to let water drain out? Sometimes my bike gets caught out in the rain while I'm at work :technical:
That's a pretty good question tbh, didn't thought about it. I'm gonna take a look when I get home from work.

Oh and asking again:
What did you mean with that?
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on October 09, 2017, 11:34:04 AM
If you haven't already, check out the wiki section about fenderectomys... awesome and most of the time free way of modifying that huge part of the back fender. It was one of the first things I did when I got my GS!
Not sure what "fenderectomys" is supposed to be, or if it's just a typo? Could your give me a link or something? :D
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on October 12, 2017, 12:23:40 AM
Oh my, I am so sorry I missed it the first time! Thank you for asking again... I hate when I miss stuff. :nono:

It's not a typo, it's just a big word for shortening the part of the plastic fender where the plate mounts to. Here is the link!

http://wiki.gstwins.com/index.php?n=Upgrades.Fenderectomy
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: cbrfxr67 on March 21, 2018, 07:52:12 AM
Then what happened?  You must've been out riding and enjoying and forgot about modding anymore :laugh:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on March 22, 2018, 04:34:53 AM
Quote from: cbrfxr67 on March 21, 2018, 07:52:12 AM
Then what happened?  You must've been out riding and enjoying and forgot about modding anymore :laugh:
Nah, it's more like I'm not sure what I could mod...
I'd like to put in a different rear shock so the bike's rear is higher (SV650 or something like that), but I have no garage to work in, so that will be delayed until I have one (if I'll ever will).
And most other things (like custom rear and stuff like that) are things I can't do by myself and so they are too expensive...

-> So yeah, I just ride it like it is atm and focus on modding my car :D
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: cbrfxr67 on March 22, 2018, 06:48:55 AM
pics of car :dunno_black:





:icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: alpo on March 22, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
That looks great!

Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on March 23, 2018, 01:19:23 AM
Quote from: cbrfxr67 on March 22, 2018, 06:48:55 AM
pics of car :dunno_black:

:icon_mrgreen:
If you'r really interested, I'll post some when the new coilovers are installed. :D I'll just have to wait for the f*cking snow to go away haha
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: cbrfxr67 on March 23, 2018, 07:10:51 AM
Heck yea!  I just did my front and one back coilovers on my turd vw.  One more to go asa I get time.   :icon_razz:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on April 03, 2018, 08:01:40 AM
Before:
(https://www.acgpix.de/uploads/5063521beedde2ecd6f9cb957e100fb3.jpg)

After:
(https://www.acgpix.de/uploads/f76e57de7d9851418b57b5847e4ad8f4.jpg)


Can't go any lower because of TÜV... But it looks and handles far better than before.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: cbrfxr67 on April 03, 2018, 08:08:13 AM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/6eaab0d39bd1afa7be8985eb7ac2d28b/tenor.gif?itemid=4108687)
oooh sweet,...
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on May 28, 2018, 01:31:09 AM
Being on a tight budget gets you creative.

I've always wanted a black frame, but I have no garage or place to take the bike apart and paint the frame...

...so I've got the idea to use foil/wrap/whatever you're calling it in English. I've ordered some cheap carbon-fibre look stuff from aliexpress, it took about a month to arrive, and another month for me to get my lazy ass up and apply it. I'm not an expert, so it does not look perfect, but I like it more than the stock silver frame. Also used some stickers cuz why not.


Oh and don't forget the weight reduction because of the carbon-fibre, I bet I can go 10-20 mph faster now!!!

Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: ShowBizWolf on May 28, 2018, 10:25:10 AM
That looks pretty darn good! I like it.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: cbrfxr67 on May 29, 2018, 08:01:04 AM
rockin!  Came out great!  I like that use what you got mantra,...oh and buy whatever else from chee-na and wait a month for it to come in :whisper:
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Avazquez on June 11, 2018, 09:13:04 PM
Hey I want to put a digital gas gauge and speedometer on my GS500 I saw that you did it on this bike can you please show me how you did it so I can do it on mine thanks.
Title: Re: planned winter project - gs500e "sumo"
Post by: Ne0n on June 12, 2018, 06:37:18 AM
I'm sorry mate, but you must have mixed me up. I'd love to change the analoge to a digital one, but I have no idea myself how to do that.

Maybe you thought this (http://forum.gs-500.de/showthread.php?t=27889&page=4) was my bike? As her bike looks somewhat similar to mine.