The end of this month marks my one year anniversary with my GS. I've put around 1,200 miles on it over the first year, mostly just cruising with friends on nice days, but also to commute a couple of times while my truck was down and out. Which brings me to the purpose of my thread...my 2004 Ford Ranger has just hit 225,000 miles, and I'm hoping to get another year out of it before I buy a newer vehicle to daily. It isn't worth selling between the money I've put into it and the additional work it needs, so the ultimate plan is to keep it for "truck things" and buy a car for commuting to work that I can more easily transport the kids in. Preferably something I can have a little bit of fun with...I'm leaning towards a BMW, but I want a stick shift and would prefer to have AWD so my options are somewhat limited.
Anyway, in the meantime I'm going to try to put as few miles on the truck as possible. Cue the GS. May 22 is the last day of preschool for the kids, so after that I'll be able to ride the bike to work and back every day, and then go pick them up from the babysitter after I park the bike at home. So for those of you who've ridden as a primary or sole mode of transportation, outside of the obvious, what can I do to prepare for this? My commute is about 15 miles each way, mostly back roads until I get close to work. Traffic is not an issue, and if there's ever an accident I have plenty of alternate routes that don't require me going too far out of my way.
I've got a couple of things to check off the list for the bike:
Diode mod for LED turn signals
Check/Adjust valve clearances
Oil change & other routine maintenance checks
And then as far as gear is concerned:
My jacket has a waterproof liner, so if it looks like rain I'll pack that. I've only ridden in light rain once or twice, so that'll be an interesting experience when the time comes.
Especially if I ride in the rain I need to get a pair of riding pants that I can wear over dress slacks...any suggestions?
I'll probably need some sort of luggage too, I'm thinking tail bag...which I know I've seen some suggestions around here and I'll do more research over the coming months.
I don't have a tool kit for my bike...suggestions?
So what am I not thinking about, that I should be thinking about?
Quote from: rscottlow on February 01, 2017, 12:53:51 PM
The end of this month marks my one year anniversary with my GS. I've put around 1,200 miles on it over the first year, mostly just cruising with friends on nice days, but also to commute a couple of times while my truck was down and out. Which brings me to the purpose of my thread...my 2004 Ford Ranger has just hit 225,000 miles, and I'm hoping to get another year out of it before I buy a newer vehicle to daily. It isn't worth selling between the money I've put into it and the additional work it needs, so the ultimate plan is to keep it for "truck things" and buy a car for commuting to work that I can more easily transport the kids in. Preferably something I can have a little bit of fun with...I'm leaning towards a BMW, but I want a stick shift and would prefer to have AWD so my options are somewhat limited.
I would check out the newest gen Subaru WRX/STi. Checks all your boxes, and cheaper than a comparable BMW.
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Anyway, in the meantime I'm going to try to put as few miles on the truck as possible. Cue the GS. May 22 is the last day of preschool for the kids, so after that I'll be able to ride the bike to work and back every day, and then go pick them up from the babysitter after I park the bike at home. So for those of you who've ridden as a primary or sole mode of transportation, outside of the obvious, what can I do to prepare for this? My commute is about 15 miles each way, mostly back roads until I get close to work. Traffic is not an issue, and if there's ever an accident I have plenty of alternate routes that don't require me going too far out of my way.
I've got a couple of things to check off the list for the bike:
Diode mod for LED turn signals
Check/Adjust valve clearances
Oil change & other routine maintenance checks
And then as far as gear is concerned:
My jacket has a waterproof liner, so if it looks like rain I'll pack that. I've only ridden in light rain once or twice, so that'll be an interesting experience when the time comes.
Especially if I ride in the rain I need to get a pair of riding pants that I can wear over dress slacks...any suggestions?
I'll probably need some sort of luggage too, I'm thinking tail bag...which I know I've seen some suggestions around here and I'll do more research over the coming months.
I don't have a tool kit for my bike...suggestions?
So what am I not thinking about, that I should be thinking about?
As for commuting, in the summer, I ride every day there isn't rain in the forecast (and in the winter any day its over 40F and sunny). Obviously sometimes it rains anyway, but not much I can do about that. I just ride a bit slower and try not to make any sharp/sudden turns if I get caught in rain. As for getting wet, I've just kind of made peace with being wet. In the summer, its usually not a big deal, youre just wet now :dunno_black:. In the fall/spring, getting wet can make you pretty cold so a good set of waterproof pants with your jacket or a waterproof riding suit like an aerostitch roadcrafter or something (very expensive, but I have heard good things) might be a good idea. I don't have any specific examples since I haven't bought anything like that yet.
Last summer I just used my backpack, but this summer I'll be getting a tank bag or a tail bag that will always have a toolkit (lots of allen keys, a screwdriver, etc), whichever visor I'm not using (clear vs mirror), and my jacket liner. My dad has a tank bag, and I borrowed it once and I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. I thought it would get in the way or obstruct my view, but it was fine for the most part, and having the extra weight basically right in front of me felt pretty good, rather than having it behind me like a passenger.
Watcher would be a good person to ask about this, since IIRC he doesn't even own a car and just rides everywhere, rain or shine.
I don't personally have one, but I've heard a puncture plug kit is quite useful. The biggest issue I have when Taking my bike to work/placement/class is that when I'm in full kit (sometimes against my better judgement I only wear helmet and gloves) is that I don't have anywhere to keep my boots/trousers/jacket and lid. They're quite bulky so definitely won't fit in my bag, and I've worn my boots and trousers in class and it's savage. So I'd recommend scouting a good place to stow your gear.
Chris
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Awesome thread! Sorry to hear about your truck needing too much work :icon_sad: I'm a huge believer in keeping a vehicle for as long as possible, doesn't matter the cost or the mileage and I think you did above and beyond what most people do nowadays! The turtle van (1994 Caravan) is getting a new head this week... one finally cracked at 204,000 miles so I can't complain!
I'm looking forward to seeing what people post up in the way of tools to keep with ya.
With my ride to work only being 2.5 miles, I'd ride in the rain no problem... except I have NO place to hang wet rain gear when I get to work so it can dry properly. Plus I don't like the idea of my bike being out in the rain for 9 hours. I mean sure the rain could stop or whatever but around here... seems like if it's gonna rain, it's an all day affair lol.
And as I'm sure you've seen elsewhere on the forum, I'm a HUGE fan of my tank bag. Big Rich has the same one. Came with a rain cover and has the clear pouches in the top for a gps or a smart phone... neither of which I use lol so I made foam inserts/spacers for my iPod to be in one of the pouches and put speakers in my helmet and the other pouch I use for my garage door opener. If you wanna stop and get a drink or something else out of your bag, you don't have to even get off the bike to access your stuff with a tank bag. But of course, there are benefits to other luggage too and some day I'd like to get more.
Quote from: qcbaker on February 01, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
Watcher would be a good person to ask about this, since IIRC he doesn't even own a car and just rides everywhere, rain or shine.
My ears are burning!
Also, get ready for a novel.
As someone who by choice gave up the 4 wheeled cage for two seasons in the often rainy midwest I can offer some good suggestions, mostly pertaining to wet weather survival.
First being weather can turn on you in an instant. I've gone to work in sunshine and gotten out to a thunderstorm, more than once, and on days where the forecast called for 0%.
It's a good idea to pack rain gear with you regardless what the forecast says.
That being said you will learn to read the weather, and I pay more attention to the projected hi and low temps than anything else.
A larger than usual change from day to night temperature, or a significant drop or increase from one day to the next, can often indicate precipitation on the way. But if the day to day seems consistent you're usually pretty safe.
Re: rain gear I would use FroggToggs which are available at CycleGear. They work as overpants and jacket. Unlike rubber/plastic rain gear it won't hot-box you and make you sweat (not as much, at least). It's more of a cloth with a membrane. Does a good job of allowing some air to flow while still being waterproof.
On the topic of "waterproof", nothing short of one of those old timey brass helmet diving suits will actually keep you 100% dry for extended periods. My FroggToggs worked very well but on extended rides (maybe 30min or longer) I would start to get damp in places. Mainly where water can collect and won't run off of you, like the crotch, and in places where there's an opening like the cuffs.
Gloves are a big consideration here, as well. A good pair of waterproof gloves with a gauntlet can help with the aforementioned water penetration at cuffs. Icon Patrol gloves are great, and they also have a squeegee on the thumb to help you wipe off your helmet lens.
Boots may be a concern. I work in my boots so I didn't really want to wear waterproof boots all day (feet sweat). I ended up just buying an extra pair of boots and leaving them in my locker at work in case of rain, but you could always bring a change of shoes in a backpack or something. More on this later.
In the case of protecting my electronics I got some Pelican 1040 dry boxes. They're big enough for my Samsung Note3 in its OtterBox case and I toss my wallet in there as well. Then this box just goes in whatever luggage I am using that day. Bonus points since the Pelican is also crush-proof in addition to waterproof.
It should go without saying a Bluetooth for your helmet makes using the GPS in the rain possible, but is overall a quality of life upgrade since you can make and receive calls on bike. With kids this could be very important in case of emergencies or something.
I'd like to touch on luggage as well. Tank-bag! Get a TANK BAG, and don't skimp on it, either. Good ones come with a lot of fun features and often have rain covers.
Aside from other concerns there are 3 things that will always lead me to choose a tank bag over saddlebags or tail-bags.
1) In the case of magnetic bags they are no fuss when you actually get to where you're going.
2) being in front of you means you don't have a struggle trying to actually get on your motorcycle (the dreaded "luggage dance" hopping on one foot to put your leg "through" the motorcycle), and it won't interfere with a backpack should you need extra hauling room.
3) You can use a restaurant drive-thru with the greatest of ease!
If you want a waterproof bag to bring clothes in, in the event of commuting to work in rain, Kriega has you covered.
Kriega is not cheap by any means, but you get what you pay for and then some. I have two pieces of Kriega luggage, a backpack and a shoulder bag.
The backpack is only water resistant, not water proof, but it does take a good while for water to get all the way through it. I'd have no problem in light rain, but a downpour would inevitably get through.
The major selling point on the backpack, though, are the straps. It's more of a harness than a set of straps. Really comfy, and really STABLE. Best motorcycle backpack, hands down. I even crashed in mine and it hardly even shows road rash, top quality.
The shoulder bag is a dry bag. 100% waterproof. It has the typical roll-up top with a flap to cover it, and it works AMAZINGLY!
I have the smaller "sling bag" which is around 8 liters. I didn't initially get this for the dry bag, more for the shoulder bag, and I had it before I got my rain suit. I was able to roll up and cram a shirt, jeans, socks, underwear, and a pair of gym shoes in it so I could completely change when I got to work.
They have one that's almost twice as big, basically a laptop bag, both are awesome sources of waterproof luggage.
And the best part is most Kriega bags are convertible to tail-bags. They sell a kit with the mounts and straps you need for like $20, or you could be like me and just use some RokStraps to lash it to the bike if need be.
For actually RIDING in the rain, stability is key and this means good throttle control, too. Turns can seem intimidating, but what will make you slide more than anything else is slowing down or speeding up.
Be sure you're done braking before you even press to initiate your lean, and hold that throttle nice and steady throughout. Too little throttle and you engine brake, load the front end up, and might kiss pavement. Too much and you risk a rear wheel slide.
Don't be afraid of any of this, just understand the physics of how your bike maintains traction.
This is especially true in the rain but goes for all commuting riding. You gotta stay comfortable. If you are cold, overheating, stressed from work, pissed off at traffic, you won't be focused on riding. Especially in rush hour traffic this can be pretty dangerous.
Give yourself a little extra time to get to work and allow yourself to come home a little later. If you are feeling too cold, too hot, or hot headed, pull off to the side and take a few minutes.
Keep track of your fuel. ESPECIALLY on the GS! I have been late to work because I didn't make it off the interstate in time to get to a gas station.
Make sure you keep track of your milage, reset your trip at fuel stops, and play it safe.
I don't really have to touch up on maintenance, other than don't neglect your chain. I would clean and lube the chain about every 500 miles, or more conceptually every third fuel up. It might be a little overkill but when you ride regardless of the weather it can be hell on the drive system.
Have an alternative lens for your helmet! Easy to overlook this, but if you work hours that puts your commute in conditions where the sun might be rising or setting, or even have not yet risen or already set, you'll need a clear and a smoked lens. Sunglasses tucked into the helmet lining can work, but I always preferred to have a whole other lens. Also, smoked lenses are pretty terrible in rainy conditions. No need to ask me how I know. It never hurts to pack another lens, it'll fit very unobstructively in your tank bag.
I do have a tire plug kit but luckily never had to use it. They're about the size of a screwdriver, can't go wrong packing one.
Aside from basic hand tools like a multi-bit screwdriver and some pliers you don't need much for a tool kit. You won't be adjusting your rear shock on commute or redoing your wiring. Just enough to handle a few fasteners that may come loose or replace a leaking fuel line is enough.
Never hurts to have a pair of yellow or orange glow-sticks in there as well in case you break down on the interstate. Been there, done that, IN RAIN. Not fun. Luckily I wasn't going to work...
And the last thing you might want to consider is a Hi-Viz vest. I wear black on black for my jackets and such (never was too keen on Hi-Viz yellow and I change bikes so frequently I didn't want a red or blue or anything. And white gets too dirty too fast), but I have an Icon "Mil Spec" vest in bright orange with reflective stripes.
If I'm commuting or riding on the highway, especially at night or in bad weather, I have my vest on.
If I am hooliganing around I usually won't bother, but it's an invaluable boost to your visibility and conspicuity when distracted drivers are around.
If I think of more tips or advice I can offer you I'll gladly share, and any questions just feel free to ask.
I put a little over 20k miles on my last GS in one year from about April until October, so I've got some hard earned experience on that little bike. Maybe I haven't seen it all but I've definitely been in situations the average rider hasn't.
Overall it's a positive experience.
@ the_63
You might want to invest in some Moto jeans. Kevlar reinforced with pads, but not too bulky where you are uncomfortable wearing them all day. And the layman might not even make the distinction.
In fact, while I had a retail job where I was frequently kneeling to stock shelves I'd wear them regardless if I took the bike or not because they were simply more comfortable than regular pants.
Quote from: Watcher on February 01, 2017, 03:21:54 PM
@ the_63
You might want to invest in some Moto jeans. Kevlar reinforced with pads, but not too bulky where you are uncomfortable wearing them all day. And the layman might not even make the distinction.
In fact, while I had a retail job where I was frequently kneeling to stock shelves I'd wear them regardless if I took the bike or not because they were simply more comfortable than regular pants.
Something I've been considering for a while mate. Being a student money seems to come and go before I've even noticed. But they are on my list. Thanks for the recommendation :cheers:
Chris
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Wow. First off, thanks for all of the responses, and thanks Watcher for all of the info. I really appreciate it.
I work in an office, and I have to take my laptop to and from work every day. A good backpack is absolutely necessary. I'll check out Kriega, as keeping my computer dry and protected is a top priority.
If it's raining in the morning, or is predicted to rain on my way to work, I probably won't ride. Getting wet on the way home is no big deal, but it's a pretty big inconvenience to show up to work all wet.
As far as showing up late is concerned, I'm lucky to work in a pretty relaxed atmosphere and as long as I'm getting my work done, my schedule is pretty flexible. When getting home, my mom and MIL will be handling the babysitting over the summer, so if I'm running a little late they'll understand.
I'm glad I got a couple of recommendations for a tank bag. I've been leaning towards a tail bag, but you've changed my mind. I find myself often wishing I could check my phone for either the time or missed calls from the wife. I guess a tank bag with a spot for the phone would be a good solution.
I'd love to get Bluetooth for my helmet, but it might be cost prohibitive right now. Especially considering everything else I'll be needing to buy.
I try to keep a pretty close eye on fuel. I lean towards filling up around every 100 miles. Considering my commute is only 30 miles round trip, it's not too bad.
Sun is definitely an issue. I wear glasses, and have a pair of nice prescription sunglasses that I wear when riding on sunny days. I still would like to have another lens.
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Quote from: qcbaker on February 01, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
I would check out the newest gen Subaru WRX/STi. Checks all your boxes, and cheaper than a comparable BMW.
Thanks, my brother suggested the same. I've never thought much about buying a Subaru, but it sounds like they might be worth looking into.
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Quote from: ShowBizWolf on February 01, 2017, 02:42:42 PM
Awesome thread! Sorry to hear about your truck needing too much work :icon_sad: I'm a huge believer in keeping a vehicle for as long as possible, doesn't matter the cost or the mileage and I think you did above and beyond what most people do nowadays! The turtle van (1994 Caravan) is getting a new head this week... one finally cracked at 204,000 miles so I can't complain!
Ouch! Sounds like a big job. Thankfully I haven't had to do any engine work on the truck yet.
I bought the Ranger a couple years ago with around 190,000 on it. Since then I've done the clutch, starter, U-joints, battery, tires, cat-back exhaust, parking brake cables, and will be replacing the tranny sooner or later. I figure if I can get another year out of it, I can transition it into just a recreational type vehicle. Plus it's nice to have a back up if something goes wrong with our primary vehicles.
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I've always liked Rangers. You are totally right, it's always great to have a backup vehicle. I've personally not owned less than 3 vehicles at a time for the past 8 years!
This is the tank bag I saw in Rich's pics of his GR... and then I looked around online for what seemed like an eternity, comparing different ones and I still ended up getting the same one as him because I liked it so much more than any others I saw. It's the magnetic mount one.
http://www.motosport.com/nelsonrigg-cl2020-gps-tank-bag
I have never regretted the purchase. Big enough to hold a helmet if you expand it upwards and I already mentioned how much I love the pouches on the top. Getting to work and being able to just pull it right up and off the bike without straps or any extra crap is REALLY nice. BUT it does come with straps to make it into a backpack if ya need to!
I also use a Nelson Rigg. They aren't quite as expensive as some other options for tank bags, but at the same time they are very high quality. 100% recommended, and I'm sure ShowBiz would agree.
I didn't even think about it when I bought it, but my Buell doesn't have a traditional gas tank. The "tank" is actually an airbox cover. Plastic over plastic, so I couldn't use my magnetic bags. Had to sell them off and find a bag that mounts with straps.
I could have found a way to mount some big steel washers or something under the cover, but at the risk of being Bubba and not being able to replace the cover I decided to play it safe with straps.
Besides, the mounting bolts for the cover are actually good mounting locations for the straps.
It's less convenient, for sure, but I can still install and remove the bag in seconds.
Strap only bags are actually fairly limited. I ended up with a Nelson Rigg CL-2014 which is the smallest of their "Journey" line.
It's as wide as an Arizona Iced Tea can is tall, and as tall when expanded. As a nice touch, the rain cover also has an expansion zipper so it always fits snug.
Works perfect for me. I can fit a lens, a lunch, a bottled/canned beverage, some misc small stuff, my Pelican if need be, and it has loops and a cargo pouch inside that I use for a chapstick, a space-pen, and a rite in the rain notebook (sometimes it's good to have written directions).
There's also small pouches on either side I use for sunglasses and a lens cloth and spray bottle.
Perfect commuter size, if you ask me.
It could be pressed into light trips as long as you pack smart. Skip the lunch for Cliff Bars or something.
That's basically what I do when I'm teaching at a site a few hours away. Expand it, skip the sammich and cookies for some granolas, bring extra liquids.
It's a little small for day-trips, though. I end up bringing my backpack or Sling-Bag along for the ride if I'll be on the bike all day. Especially in the desert the room for extra water is a necessity.
Once more congratulations on deciding to commute on your bike. I can see why Watcher's experience was invoked. His instruction manual is terrific - well written and informative.
Come rideable temperatures here I nearly always ride everywhere, except for dog transporting. Unlike the others here, though, I use soft saddlebags for storage, and if I am transporting a laptop I put it in a laptop bag and then strap that to the rear seat using a cargo net. Anything that I want to stay dry I wrap in a plastic bag. Simple, cheap and effective. I have no issues swinging a leg over the saddlebags even after a hip replacement, but I have a 32" inseam.
For warmer weather riding I use a Joe Rocket mesh jacket and put the liner in for rain and temperature control. When it get up to the high 20s here I like the airflow, and I also have a pair of mesh trousers. I have an F model, so the bottom half of me is well protected in rain. Waterproof gloves of the gauntlet type are also good for keeping hands dry: I have used ordinary gloves and have had to stop and pour out the water! In rain I find that the visor tends to hold beads of water, but turning my head slightly will encourage them to run off.
I only take the standard tool kit with me. If I can't fix the problem with that, then most likely the side of the road is not the place to fix it anyway.
Good luck.
Quote from: Watcher on February 01, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
My ears are burning!
Also, get ready for a novel.
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I knew you'd be a great resource on this subject lol. Thanks for sharing your knowledge :cheers:
I rode today and I was reminded about something I wasn't sure was mentioned: make sure you regularly check your tire pressure. I know this is regular maintenance, but if your plan is to commute as close to every day as you can, make sure you are regularly checking to be sure your tire pressures are in spec. Mine were a bit low due to the cold weather, and I'll definitely be checking them again once it starts warming up a bit.
If anyone has specific tank bag recommendations for the GS, I'd also love to hear them since I'm also in the market for one.
Quote from: qcbaker on February 02, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
If anyone has specific tank bag recommendations for the GS, I'd also love to hear them since I'm also in the market for one.
As long as you don't mind sacrificing a name and overall fit/finish the CycleGear "Sedici" branded bags are a great option.
A variety of sizes, and the prices are on par with most bags, though I'd say the quality is a little lower than what my Nelson Rigg has so far displayed.
The materials are good, but there might be a seam that isn't as tight as the rest or some stitching might be a little crooked, stuff like that.
The rain cover is less than stellar, too, mine usually came with tags punched through them :icon_rolleyes:
The little cell phone window also didn't seem sized for any modern device, but it might fit a Garmin.
But what you sacrifice in fit/finish you gain in warranty. Sedici carries a lifetime guarantee through Cycle Gear, and it isn't a "defects and workmanship" warranty, it's a "satisfaction guarantee".
When I had my low-side my Sedici got some rash on it. Took it to CG and showed it to them, walked out in minutes with a brand new one.
I don't know if there is a clause for actually crashing or not, but since it was just a little rash I figured it was "Don't ask, don't tell".
But either way you don't need a reason. You change bikes and it doesn't fit too well, or you decided its too big or too small, you bring it back, they're obligated to return or exchange it for you.
Would have gotten another Sedici for the Buell, but they don't make a strap mount bag...
That being said, I like my NR much better so far. It's a little more feature rich, and the quality is a step up. But if I ever crash with it I'll just have to buy a new one. Lifetime warranty but it only covers craftsmanship and defects.
I remembered this pic some rando took of me without me knowing.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/922/604t9M.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm604t9Mj)
No tank bag in this trip, too wet and I had lost the rain cover.
But I have both my Kriegas.
My Sling Bag lashed to the tail and my R25 backpack on.
The backpack just barely sits above the tail bag in the riding position. If I sit up I'd feel them colliding.
Quote from: Watcher on February 02, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
As long as you don't mind sacrificing a name and overall fit/finish the CycleGear "Sedici" branded bags are a great option.
A variety of sizes, and the prices are on par with most bags, though I'd say the quality is a little lower than what my Nelson Rigg has so far displayed.
The materials are good, but there might be a seam that isn't as tight as the rest or some stitching might be a little crooked, stuff like that.
The rain cover is less than stellar, too, mine usually came with tags punched through them :icon_rolleyes:
The little cell phone window also didn't seem sized for any modern device, but it might fit a Garmin.
But what you sacrifice in fit/finish you gain in warranty. Sedici carries a lifetime guarantee through Cycle Gear, and it isn't a "defects and workmanship" warranty, it's a "satisfaction guarantee".
When I had my low-side my Sedici got some rash on it. Took it to CG and showed it to them, walked out in minutes with a brand new one.
I don't know if there is a clause for actually crashing or not, but since it was just a little rash I figured it was "Don't ask, don't tell".
But either way you don't need a reason. You change bikes and it doesn't fit too well, or you decided its too big or too small, you bring it back, they're obligated to return or exchange it for you.
Would have gotten another Sedici for the Buell, but they don't make a strap mount bag...
That being said, I like my NR much better so far. It's a little more feature rich, and the quality is a step up. But if I ever crash with it I'll just have to buy a new one. Lifetime warranty but it only covers craftsmanship and defects.
My gloves are Sedici, and I like them a lot. I'm familiar with the brand. I'll agree that the fit/finish is a little lacking, but they are pretty comfortable and that warranty is pretty boss. I'll look into the bags they have, since there's a CG shop really close to me.
I have a sedici helmet and gloves, both are fab. Motorcycle superstore house brand moto centric is not bad, I have a tail bag from them and I like it but it is not a perfect solution on a GS. The bag is great but the seat on my GS makes a crummy base for the bag. It moves around too much. But I have fit things in it you wouldn't think might fit like groceries including two 12 packs of cokes.
I have thought about daily riding my bike but there are just too many gotchas, but traffic makes it basically a non starter for me. Hope you make it work.
Quote from: mr72 on February 03, 2017, 06:30:41 AM
... I have a tail bag from them and I like it but it is not a perfect solution on a GS. The bag is great ...
... I have fit things in it you wouldn't think might fit like groceries including two 12 packs of cokes.
Haha! Mine's maybe not as big but my Kriega Sling Bag amazed me at first.
I had some extra cash and saw it and liked the bag. Wasn't so much after the waterproof feature but it was a +1. I just wanted a bag that was smaller than my backpack to pack some stuff in that would be more mobile than my tank bag, so if I was meeting some friends at the mall or something I wouldn't be stuck carrying a bag around by hand (yeah, the tank-bag had backpack straps, but they were a pain to use and weren't that comfortable).
So it runs essentially the same duty as a tank bag for me. Maybe lunch and a drink with room for my gloves and a pair of sunglasses and some small necessities.
What I got was a bag that could fit two 2-liters of soda with the top rolled all the way down! And considering the roll up top the final size of the bag is adjustable depending on the cargo and whether or not I really need to be waterproof.
Oh, bear in mind rolled "all the way down" is completely unnecessary. IIRC Kriega recommends 3 rolls for waterproof, I would call 2 rolls the minimum for water resistant, and "all the way down" is like 5.
The first problem with the Motocentric tail bag for me was that there's no good way to attach the bungee cords without going over what was then my freshly-painted side plastics. So I tucked the bungees in and attached a strap instead that goes over the seat base so basically the bag is affixed to the seat.
The problem then is that the base of the bag is not rigid enough to allow it to be firmly fixed to the seat... it flexes because it's wider than the seat so the inside of the bag has a sort of curved "floor". But it was $39. What can I say? It performs way better than I expected it to. I do need to rethink my method of attaching it.
I have fit amazingly big stuff in it though. My wife and I don't usually need much from the grocery store so I often ride the GS to the store and can bring home everything we need for the trip. I don't think there's any way I could do the same with a tank bag.
Ideally, I would rather have a (different) rear rack/carrier and a top case of some kind, but it's a project of either fab something up or spend a lot of money and I don't want to do either. So the $39 tail bag is going to have to suffice.
5 gallon buckets make best water proof containers.. http://imgur.com/a/vZMTm
Quote from: mr72 on February 03, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
The problem then is that the base of the bag is not rigid enough to allow it to be firmly fixed to the seat... it flexes because it's wider than the seat so the inside of the bag has a sort of curved "floor". But it was $39. What can I say? It performs way better than I expected it to. I do need to rethink my method of attaching it.
You could always make it permanent by bolting it through the seat.
Unless you frequently have a passenger...
Quote from: Watcher on February 03, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
You could always make it permanent by bolting it through the seat.
Unless you frequently have a passenger...
I never have a passenger. But I frequently don't want holes in my seat :)
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Quote from: Watcher on February 03, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
You could always make it permanent by bolting it through the seat.
Unless you frequently have a passenger...
I never have a passenger. But I frequently don't want holes in my seat :)
Well, to each his own.
You might then consider cutting a piece of Plexi to fit in the bottom of the bag to just give it more rigidity. Or affixing the bag to a base somehow and bungee the base, not the bag, to the pillion.
Quote from: Watcher on February 03, 2017, 01:49:16 PM
Well, to each his own.
You might then consider cutting a piece of Plexi to fit in the bottom of the bag to just give it more rigidity. Or affixing the bag to a base somehow and bungee the base, not the bag, to the pillion.
That is a pretty cool idea. My gym bag has a piece of plastic at the bottom that serves this purpose, and it works pretty well. I haven't bungied it to my bike though lol.
Quote from: qcbaker on February 03, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
That is a pretty cool idea. My gym bag has a piece of plastic at the bottom that serves this purpose, and it works pretty well. I haven't bungied it to my bike though lol.
You need something quite a bit stiffer than that flimsy plastic in your gym bag to avoid a bag sagging, I speak form experience. That being said I have bungied my gym bag to my bike a few times and if its even like half full it doesn't droop so far that its in danger of anything. Unless your carrying something fragile or something I wouldn't worry about it.
Scott, I haven't read the entire thread so pardon me if I repeat what has been already said.
Rain gear can be kind of problematic. I have a nice Joe Rocket 2 pc suit, but it packs kinda large when not in use. So I started looking at waterproof (or highly resistant) riding gear. End up with ARC Battle Born pants & jacket from Rocky Mountain ATV. The pants have been waterproof so far, but the jacket leaks occasionally from the bicep vents. My boots are waterproof TCX (can't remember the model), and I don't have waterproof gloves - I do have however, some waterproof glove covers. Wet hands don't bother me too much unless it's cold.... and if it's cold the glove cover add a layer of wind blocking material.
I did see that Showbiz mentioned the tank bag from Nelson Rigg. I use mine on every ride and love it. The included rain cover is kind of bulky, so it doesn't get stored in the tank bag itself - I either keep it in a saddle bag full time or leave it at home and take my chances.
I can't help with any kind of tail bag since I made a rack for my saddle bags (and it has a spot on top for whatever roll bag I use). Unless you want to make a trip from Cincinnati to New Castle, PA to fab up some type of rack...... I can help with that.
Quote from: lefty1615 on February 07, 2017, 09:55:18 AM
You need something quite a bit stiffer than that flimsy plastic in your gym bag to avoid a bag sagging, I speak form experience. That being said I have bungied my gym bag to my bike a few times and if its even like half full it doesn't droop so far that its in danger of anything. Unless your carrying something fragile or something I wouldn't worry about it.
I meant that it works well at keeping the bottom of my gym bag rigid lol. I didn't mean to imply it could be used for the same purpose when strapped to a bike. Yeah, you'd want something more robust than that
Thanks Rich. I'm pretty much sold on the Nelson Rigg. I'm starting a kitchen remodel tomorrow, and I expect to come in well under budget. As long as there are no big hiccups, I'm going to spend some of the leftover cash on the stuff for the GS. I think between that and my existing backpack, I'll be okay. If everything else fits nicely inside the tank bag, I can fit my laptop in my backpack and I'll get something waterproof (probably a plastic bag) to put the laptop inside to keep dry if it rains. I'm thinking of holding off on buying any rain gear, and just using my waterproof jacket liner if necessary. At least for the first part of the summer, I'm not going to ride to work if it's raining in the morning. Getting wet on the way home doesn't so much bother me.
I have always been afraid to put my laptop in my tank bag because of the magnets. Does anyone know if they would mess anything up on a computer :icon_question:
I'm with ya scott, it's always good to have a backpack too. I have a nice Red Cross one I got from work but I also have one of those drawstring backpack things... you know, the kind that are just fabric with the stings to pull it closed at the top... that I keep folded up in one of the side pockets of the tank bag. Got it on ebay for like $5 and the material is waterproof or water resistant, can't remember which... but it's got a coating on it and if it gets wet the water beads up and you can wipe it off. Just in case I'm at the store or something and find that I need a little bit extra storage omw home.
Ooooh also, Rich is right about the rain cover for the Nelson Rigg... it truly is a bit bulky to keep with ya at all times. One night while I was at work it started to rain earlier than I thought it would and so I grabbed a big clear plastic bag we usually use for inside the payload boxes. Anyway, I just put my tank bag inside of that and attached it to the tank like I normally do. Not the bestest ever solution of course but it kept the tank bag dry on my ride home and now I keep the plastic bag folded up in the side compartment as well.
Scott, I hate (and I mean HATE) those waterproof jacket liners. To me it feels like I'm wearing a garbage bag, and I get just as wet under the liner from sweating. And to top it off, your jacket still gets soaked from the rain. You know what might work better? A cheap set of Frogg Toggs from walmart worn under your riding clothes. I know if you wear them over your riding gear, they get shredded from the wind....
Showbiz - I wondered the same thing. A Google search said that name brand tank bags "should" have shielded magnets, so any electronic equipment would be protected. I'd hate to experiment with anything that I couldn't afford to replace. So.... try it with a work laptop first! Haha....
Quote from: ShowBizWolf on February 07, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
I have always been afraid to put my laptop in my tank bag because of the magnets. Does anyone know if they would mess anything up on a computer :icon_question:
If you have a traditional magnetic hard drive (old-school, spinny-platter type) then it could potentially screw that up.
But I should note those hard drives have a pretty freakin strong neodymium magnet in them anyway. So I don't think it's really that much of a problem. You'd likely not have any problem.
Quote from: mr72 on February 07, 2017, 03:12:38 PM
But I should note those hard drives have a pretty freakin strong neodymium magnet in them anyway. So I don't think it's really that much of a problem.
Magnets will not affect memory as we no longer use magnetic tape as storage.
I don't think it will have that profound of an effect on the screen, either. Typically CRT monitors will have issues but not LCD/LED.
The whole magnet vs computer is more or less a myth. Hell, the electric FAN even works on a magnetic field!
But most modern laptops are quite a bit large to be fitting in an average tank bag, unless it's like a netbook or something.
Expensive, but Pelican makes backpacks! Basically just one of their hard cases with straps and an additional storage area made of canvas. If I got a job where I needed to bring a laptop around I'd definitely pick one of those up.
I work in IT and my degree is in computer science so I can weigh in a bit here re: magnets and computers.
Quote from: Big Rich on February 07, 2017, 02:45:17 PM
Showbiz - I wondered the same thing. A Google search said that name brand tank bags "should" have shielded magnets, so any electronic equipment would be protected. I'd hate to experiment with anything that I couldn't afford to replace. So.... try it with a work laptop first! Haha....
If the magnets are "shielded" to protect anything in the bag, how do they attach the bag to the tank? Not saying what you read isn't true, I'm just confused as to how that works, as you cant "shield" a magnet, but then also have it still be magnetic enough to securely fasten it to the tank. ???
Quote from: mr72 on February 07, 2017, 03:12:38 PM
If you have a traditional magnetic hard drive (old-school, spinny-platter type) then it could potentially screw that up.
But I should note those hard drives have a pretty freakin strong neodymium magnet in them anyway. So I don't think it's really that much of a problem. You'd likely not have any problem.
Quote from: Watcher on February 07, 2017, 04:27:09 PM
Magnets will not affect memory as we no longer use magnetic tape as storage.
While Watcher is correct in that almost no computers use magnetic tape anymore, many computers still use traditional spinning hard disk drives (HDDs) which are a type of magnetic storage media. They are slowly being replaced by solid state drives (SSDs), but most mid-range priced laptops still use HDDs instead of SSDs, since SSDs are still rather expensive.
Anyway, any magnetic storage media can be affected by a strong enough magnet. That being said, the risk is very minimal unless you're actively trying to mess up the HDD. You would have to take the magnet and swipe it directly over the HDD to do any real damage, and it would have to be a pretty powerful magnet (like the neodymium ones actually in the HDD itself, which is how data gets written to the drive). Probably not going to cause any issues in a bag.
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I don't think it will have that profound of an effect on the screen, either. Typically CRT monitors will have issues but not LCD/LED.
This is correct. Magnets should have no visible effect on LCD displays. CRT monitors are affected by magnets, but I've never heard of a laptop with a CRT monitor lol.
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Magnets affect electrons only when they are moving. The force on an electron in a magnetic field is proportional to its speed. If it is stationary, the force is zero. In LCD screens there are no moving electrons, except when the image changes, so there cannot be any effect with a steady display. Any effect during a moving display will be very small (because the electrons in an LCD cannot drift as they can in a CRT), and will disappear once the display is steady again. The way CRTs display images is dependent on electrons being shot at the phosphor sheets behind the glass, so there are electrons constantly flying around (which is why there's an electric field around the screen, which is what makes your arm hair stand up if you get close to a CRT screen). If you put a magnet up to a CRT screen, those moving electrons are very easily affected by the magnet and the image will be distorted.
The other problem with CRTs is that they can become permanently magnetized, and thus always affect electrons as they fly to the screen, permanently distorting the color or warping the image. Behind the glass, there are the phosphor sheets that emit the colored light when hit by the electrons, and something called the shadow mask. A shadow mask is a metal plate punched with tiny holes that separates the colored phosphor sheets from the front glass of the screen. If the shadow mask becomes magnetized, its magnetic field deflects the electron beams passing through it, causing color purity distortion as the beams bend through the mask holes and hit some phosphors of a color other than that which they are intended to strike; e.g. some electrons from the red beam may hit blue phosphors, giving pure red parts of the image a magenta tint. This is why CRTs sometimes need to be degaussed. When activated, the degaussing circuit produces a brief, alternating current through the degaussing coil which smoothly decays in strength (fades out) to zero over a period of a few seconds, producing a decaying alternating magnetic field from the coil. This degaussing field is strong enough to remove shadow mask magnetization in most cases.
In LCDs there are no electrons flying around, and there is no shadow mask to magnetize, so the effect is negligible. So, in a very technical sense, yes magnets can "affect" an LCD but the effect is too small to be noticeable or cause any sort of issue.
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The whole magnet vs computer is more or less a myth. Hell, the electric FAN even works on a magnetic field!
Yes, and no. It used to be more of an issue when floppy disks were very common, since they are very easily ruined by contact with a magnet. The basic rule nowadays is just "dont rub a big magnet directly on your hard drive and you'll be fine."
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But most modern laptops are quite a bit large to be fitting in an average tank bag, unless it's like a netbook or something.
Expensive, but Pelican makes backpacks! Basically just one of their hard cases with straps and an additional storage area made of canvas. If I got a job where I needed to bring a laptop around I'd definitely pick one of those up.
I've been kind of looking at getting a hard shell backpack that would protect my laptop. I'll have to check out Pelican's offerings.
There's a little bit of misinformation here regarding magnetic fields, electrons, and magnets relationship to hard drives but it generally doesn't matter for this discussion.
A magnet's field intensity decays in proportion to the cube of distance, which basically means very small distances make a very big difference in field intensity. That's why you'd almost be guaranteed to have to remove a traditional hard drive from the laptop and intentionally expose it directly to a strong magnetic field in order to screw it up. Very unlikely any effect will be had from magnets in a tank bag but it is still possible.
If your laptop has SSD then it won't be affected by the tank bag magnets. Virtually all NEW laptops have SSDs but in my house I have about five of them that have traditional hard drives that are not totally immune to magnetic fields.
BTW my 13" MacBook Pro fits fine in my Moto-Centric tail bag but it's a bit of a squeeze to get it to fit through the opening in the first place. A 15" wouldn't fit. Really the only downside to this particular bag is the size of the opening. You can fit a lot of big stuff in there if you can get it in there to begin with.
In over a decade of commuting on a bicycle I've never worried about protecting my laptop with something like a hard case or anything more solid than a typical padded laptop bag or sleeve because I always figured if I had a wreck, the least of my worries was going to be whether my laptop survived. That said, I wouldn't mind having a top case instead of the tail bag mostly because it would be much easier to get the laptop in and out of it without having to cram it through the small tail bag opening.
Quote from: mr72 on February 08, 2017, 05:34:52 AM
There's a little bit of misinformation here regarding magnetic fields, electrons, and magnets relationship to hard drives but it generally doesn't matter for this discussion.
What did I post that was misinformation? If I'm incorrect about something, let me know. Maybe PM me though so we don't derail another thread lol.
I guess, looking back, I can see how one part may be misconstrued. The big neodymium magnet doesn't directly write data to the drive. Its used to actuate the read-write arm, which has another, much smaller magnet on the head of the arm which writes the data.
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A magnet's field intensity decays in proportion to the cube of distance, which basically means very small distances make a very big difference in field intensity. That's why you'd almost be guaranteed to have to remove a traditional hard drive from the laptop and intentionally expose it directly to a strong magnetic field in order to screw it up. Very unlikely any effect will be had from magnets in a tank bag but it is still possible.
If your laptop has SSD then it won't be affected by the tank bag magnets. Virtually all NEW laptops have SSDs but in my house I have about five of them that have traditional hard drives that are not totally immune to magnetic fields.
Right... I don't think I implied that it was impossible, just that it was pretty unlikely that a laptop would be adversely affected by a tank bag magnet. The magnets holding the bag to the tank would have to be ridiculously powerful for them to affect the HDD with enough force to flip bits.
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In over a decade of commuting on a bicycle I've never worried about protecting my laptop with something like a hard case or anything more solid than a typical padded laptop bag or sleeve because I always figured if I had a wreck, the least of my worries was going to be whether my laptop survived. That said, I wouldn't mind having a top case instead of the tail bag mostly because it would be much easier to get the laptop in and out of it without having to cram it through the small tail bag opening.
While I agree about the laptop being the least of your worries in a wreck, I don't think it means it wouldn't be worth it to invest in something to protect your laptop if you do wreck. Obviously, if you're prioritizing gear, purchase stuff for protecting your body well before anything like that, but I don't think it would be a waste of money to protect my laptop with a hard shell backpack. :dunno_black:
Quote from: qcbaker on February 08, 2017, 06:33:49 AM
What did I post that was misinformation? If I'm incorrect about something, let me know. Maybe PM me though so we don't derail another thread lol.
I didn't mean specifically you were posting misinformation :) We can PM it if you want to talk about it because it's irrelevant to the thread.
In short, SBW had a reasonable concern about magnets affecting a laptop hard drive but the risk is negligible.
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I guess, looking back, I can see how one part may be misconstrued. The big neodymium magnet doesn't directly write data to the drive. Its used to actuate the read-write arm, which has another, much smaller magnet on the head of the arm which writes the data.
Point being, this magnet is at least as strong as the tank bag magnets (trust me, take apart a HD and stick that magnet to your refrigerator... then try to get it back off), and it's actually
inside the HD's RF enclosure way closer to the platter than the tank bag's magnets could ever get so if it doesn't rearrange the HD then the tank bag likely won't either.
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Right... I don't think I implied that it was impossible,
...didn't say you did :)
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While I agree about the laptop being the least of your worries in a wreck, ...I don't think it would be a waste of money to protect my laptop with a hard shell backpack. :dunno_black:
Right on. :)
However, the insurance settlement will replace your busted laptop in a wreck, and you can get it set back up lickety-split as long as you didn't erase your old laptop's hard drive with your super-duper tank bag magnet :o
kidding... kidding...
Quote from: mr72 on February 08, 2017, 07:32:30 AM
I didn't mean specifically you were posting misinformation :) We can PM it if you want to talk about it because it's irrelevant to the thread.
In short, SBW had a reasonable concern about magnets affecting a laptop hard drive but the risk is negligible.
Ahh, gotcha. You mentioned electrons and stuff, which I was talking about re: CRTs/magnets so I thought that was directed at me lol.
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Point being, this magnet is at least as strong as the tank bag magnets (trust me, take apart a HD and stick that magnet to your refrigerator... then try to get it back off), and it's actually inside the HD's RF enclosure way closer to the platter than the tank bag's magnets could ever get so if it doesn't rearrange the HD then the tank bag likely won't either.
Like I said, I work in IT. I know all about how strong HDD magnets are. When I worked at a PC repair shop a few years ago, we used to take apart old hard drives to get the magnets for various uses. We would snap the thinner magnets from broken laptop HDDs in half using clamps and pliers (wear goggles if you ever do this, FYI), and stick the magnet fragments onto screwdrivers to make them magnetic when we were taking stuff apart. We would tape the bigger ones to the front of our vacuum so we wouldn't accidentally vacuum up any screws we dropped. They're super useful lol
But yeah, the tank bag magnets probably aren't anywhere near close enough or powerful enough to affect the HDD in any meaningful way.
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Right on. :)
However, the insurance settlement will replace your busted laptop in a wreck, and you can get it set back up lickety-split as long as you didn't erase your old laptop's hard drive with your super-duper tank bag magnet :o
kidding... kidding...
1. My laptop has an SSD, so magnets are the least of my concerns lol :cool:
2. Insurance wont replace squat if the accident was my fault lol.
I've got a RAM mount on my GS. Anyone have experience with compatible phone mounts? The tank bag isn't going to be in the budget for a little while, but I'm going to need to be able to see the time and to be aware of any important calls coming in. That seems like a reasonable solution for now.
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I've always just used the RAM X-grip systems. No issues whatsoever.
Right now my local Cycle Gear has these really basic strap-mount tank-bags for under $20, they're on closeout. Might wanna go see for yourself if you need something just to get you by.
Late to this thread, so haven't read everything. Watcher seemed to have most of it nailed though.
I spent 4 years without a car back in the early-mid '80s. This was in Albuquerque, so the weather was mostly decent, but I still rode in everything at one time or another.
Back then there really wasn't any motorcycle gear as we know it today. No armored jackets or pants, no Gore-Tex anything. No Hi-Viz.
I worked in sales back then, needed to wear a jacket and tie. I always had a backpack with a rain suit in it, in good weather I'd just put the tie in the pack and ride in my work clothes. Dress shoes, slacks, sport coat and off I'd go. Sounds crazy now, I know. :) In bad or colder weather I'd wear jeans and work boots, put the slacks and dress shoes in the backpack and put a leather jacket and/or rainsuit on.
Nowadays I have a good First Gear Gore-Tex jacket that I always wear, overpants for colder weather, and rainpants for warmer weather. Life is much simpler. :)
Quote from: Watcher on April 15, 2017, 07:05:38 PM
I've always just used the RAM X-grip systems. No issues whatsoever.
Right now my local Cycle Gear has these really basic strap-mount tank-bags for under $20, they're on closeout. Might wanna go see for yourself if you need something just to get you by.
Thanks. I'm going to order an X-Grip holder so I can at least access my phone when riding, as needed.
Man, I wish we had a Cycle Gear around here. The closest ones are in Indianapolis and Louisville which are both close to two hours away. There's a place called Cycle Specialities locally, but they're primarily a dealer that carries some accessories. They've got a handful of tank bags, but all for more than I'd pay online. It's nice to be able to go in and test stuff out, but I usually end up buying from them even though I'm paying a bit of a premium. I just hate to go into the store and mess with stuff, then order from someone else to save a few bucks. It makes me feel like I'm cheating a local small business.
Quote from: RichDesmond on April 16, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
Late to this thread, so haven't read everything. Watcher seemed to have most of it nailed though.
I spent 4 years without a car back in the early-mid '80s. This was in Albuquerque, so the weather was mostly decent, but I still rode in everything at one time or another.
Back then there really wasn't any motorcycle gear as we know it today. No armored jackets or pants, no Gore-Tex anything. No Hi-Viz.
I worked in sales back then, needed to wear a jacket and tie. I always had a backpack with a rain suit in it, in good weather I'd just put the tie in the pack and ride in my work clothes. Dress shoes, slacks, sport coat and off I'd go. Sounds crazy now, I know. :) In bad or colder weather I'd wear jeans and work boots, put the slacks and dress shoes in the backpack and put a leather jacket and/or rainsuit on.
Nowadays I have a good First Gear Gore-Tex jacket that I always wear, overpants for colder weather, and rainpants for warmer weather. Life is much simpler. :)
Thanks Rich. As of last week I've started riding to work whenever it isn't raining. It's not cold enough for the morning low temperatures to be an excuse anymore. I'm making due with the gear that I already have on hand (helmet, jacket, gloves, and an old backpack that fits my work computer). I would like to get a phone mount, tank bag, and a better waterproof backpack at some point during this season. They've been low priorities since it has been cold, but once I have those items I'll feel much more comfortable about commuting with the bike. I also definitely need a new rear tire and probably a front as well, as I'm confident that they're original (it's an '09 with a little over 12,000 miles).
On a positive note, the gasoline savings are significant. I've filled up my truck only once in about 3 weeks, and I've filled up the GS 3 times instead.
I ride mine year round, about 7000 miles, which included (3) 500 miles trips, the rest being local jaunts and daily riding. 20F lowest temp, 95F highest. For my tool kit: while doing regular maintenance I put a small piece of blue tape on the tools I used most often. I also threw in a spare spark plug, short length of tube for syphoning and/or checking float levels, couple pair of latex gloves, flat kit, and C02 inflation valve thing with small canisters. Rolled them all up in a a few ziplocks and stuffed them under the seat, surprised how much you can fit in there. Jammed an old tshirt to keep it from rattling around.
Quote from: Darkstar on April 17, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
I ride mine year round, about 7000 miles, which included (3) 500 miles trips, the rest being local jaunts and daily riding. 20F lowest temp, 95F highest. For my tool kit: while doing regular maintenance I put a small piece of blue tape on the tools I used most often. I also threw in a spare spark plug, short length of tube for syphoning and/or checking float levels, couple pair of latex gloves, flat kit, and C02 inflation valve thing with small canisters. Rolled them all up in a a few ziplocks and stuffed them under the seat, surprised how much you can fit in there. Jammed an old tshirt to keep it from rattling around.
I don't have any cold weather gear, and TBH I prefer the comfort of a caged vehicle if there's a high chance of rain or if I'm going to be out in temps below about 45 F. The other thing is that I absolutely won't ride if I've had anything to drink, so evening or weekend errands that I might need to run even if I've just had one beer, will automatically be in the truck. Until now, the bike has really just been for recreational riding, but there are so many pros to commuting including keeping miles off my truck and fuel expenses down, that I think I'll start to prefer it on most days.
Cool idea about the tool kit. Recently when fixing my turn signal wiring, I discovered the bike's original tool kit under the seat. I didn't even know it was there, but it's cool to have. I'll probably add a couple tools here and there, as I see fit.
Quote from: rscottlow on April 17, 2017, 08:26:07 AM
below about 45 F
soldered a heated shirt using high temp teflon coated 30 gauge wire connected to the battery. $45 and it feels good
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Quote from: rscottlow on April 17, 2017, 08:26:07 AM
below about 45 F
soldered a heated shirt using high temp teflon coated 30 gauge wire connected to the battery. $45 and it feels good
OMG, make a build thread if you can! That's awesome!
Rscott: did you check reviews on the X Grip? I have one, and my phone has come out before at speed (with a really impressive bounce off the blacktop I might add). I had to bend the arms a little bit to get more "bite" on the phone, and used glue to hold the black rubber tips onto the arms.
While the X Grip is a nice mount, it does have its flaws. I don't want you to be surprised like I was.....
Quote from: Big Rich on April 17, 2017, 02:04:50 PM
Rscott: did you check reviews on the X Grip? I have one, and my phone has come out before at speed (with a really impressive bounce off the blacktop I might add). I had to bend the arms a little bit to get more "bite" on the phone, and used glue to hold the black rubber tips onto the arms.
While the X Grip is a nice mount, it does have its flaws. I don't want you to be surprised like I was.....
Oh yeah the reviews are a little concerning, but from what I understand, they come with a tether now. And if not, I'll pick up some Velcro for extra security. For $11 shipped to my door, it was hard to pass up. Thanks for the heads up. That's a good idea about glueing the rubber tips on.
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I have seen the reviews and even video of the X-grips failing, that being said I've been using X-grips myself for a few years, over a few different models and positions and phones, and never had one fail. Never even had the rubber arms come off despite never gluing them (modern X-grips come with the glue.
There's also a video of ChaseOnTwoWheels low-siding an R1. The crash ends with the bike flipping from side to side and breaking off the whole front fairing. His iPhone stayed in the X-grip just fine.
The very nature of the way the device works is the further apart the arms are the more grip force it applies. If it was between really squeezing my phone in a smaller grip or comfortably seating it in a larger one I'd take the squeeze every time.
That being said, I'm not convinced that the failures weren't related to user error or poor judgement.
At any rate, new RAMs are coming with an added security measure. If you don't trust the grip itself you can use their rubber net thing to strap the phone in place.
Well, apparently it was too good to be true anyway. The item was listed at $6 plus $4.99 shipping, and it was from a new seller on Amazon with no feedback or ratings (in other words, I should've known before I ordered the item, that the seller was a fraud). I got an email this morning saying my order was cancelled due to "technical problems". Lo and behold, I go to the seller's page, and all of her items are "currently unavailable". I called Amazon, and because the item was offered through a 3rd party seller, they basically offer no support or pricing guarantee. So now I can either purchase the item through Prime at $25 or I can purchase a different phone cradle...either way, I'll be spending more than double what I had expected to spend :bs:
Quote from: Watcher on April 17, 2017, 11:17:19 AM
OMG, make a build thread if you can! That's awesome!
Thanks, here's the link where I got the idea from. Mine was slightly different though, I ran the wire on top of a long underweartop, keeping it closer to the skin, then put another tight layer on top.:
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/35-00-heated-jacket-liner-diy.514532/
And here's the thread I started on GS to adapt to our battery
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=71208.0
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Quote from: Watcher on April 17, 2017, 11:17:19 AM
OMG, make a build thread if you can! That's awesome!
Thanks, here's the link where I got the idea from. Mine was slightly different though, I ran the wire on top of a long underweartop, keeping it closer to the skin, then put another tight layer on top.:
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/35-00-heated-jacket-liner-diy.514532/
And here's the thread I started on GS to adapt to our battery
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=71208.0
:cheers:
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FWIW I got a "ROAM" phone mount on my GS and it works great. I don't even use the silicone add-on to hold the phone. The clamp alone holds it just fine.
https://www.amazon.com/Roam-Universal-Premium-Phone-Motorcycle/dp/B01LWDCSIZ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492539634
Quote from: mr72 on April 18, 2017, 11:22:34 AM
FWIW I got a "ROAM" phone mount on my GS and it works great. I don't even use the silicone add-on to hold the phone. The clamp alone holds it just fine.
https://www.amazon.com/Roam-Universal-Premium-Phone-Motorcycle/dp/B01LWDCSIZ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492539634
Thanks for the link. I'm somewhat committed to the RAM Mounts brand, as I already have the base and the connecting arm, but it looks like this one includes everything. Reviews aren't quite as good as the ones for the x-grip, but I suppose that's to be expected for a fraction of the price. What type of phone do you use with it, and how much use has it seen?
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Today is my first day facing potentially inclement weather. It's also the first time I'm wishing I had a larger backpack or a tank bag.
I have to go pick up my new glasses after work, and since my eye doctor is next door to kroger, I was hoping to pick up a few groceries at the same time. This also reinforces my need to be able to see my cell phone for GPS purposes while on the bike, since I don't know how to get to my eye doctor's office from work. Since I've got my laptop with me for work, I can't fit much into my small backpack. There's definitely no room for toilet paper, cat food, and stuff for tonight's dinner.
If it's raining when I get off work this afternoon, I'll head straight home. No sense in riding unfamiliar roads that are out of my way, in the rain. Otherwise, I'll probably just go get my glasses, and then make a separate trip with the truck to buy groceries. Either way, I feel like I'm just beginning to realize the challenges that come with a 2-wheel commuter. That being said, the benefits have already been evident. It's been quite a while since I've had to put gas in the Ranger, and my confidence and comfort level on the bike is definitely improving.
the one important thing no one has brought up is tires..... i recommend commuter tires ....
Quote from: dominickbuff on April 19, 2017, 08:26:46 AM
the one important thing no one has brought up is tires..... i recommend commuter tires ....
Yeah, about that...
Tires are higher on my list than probably anything else of considerable expense, because I've recently come to the conclusion that they're original to my bike. It's only got 12,xxx miles on it, but it looks like the tires were manufactured summer of 2008. The bike appears to have been garage kept it's entire life, but I think it'd be in my best interest to replace them. I've heard many people say that 5 years is about as long as you should go on a set of tires before the rubber compounds begin deteriorating. I'm sure this is greatly impacted by the climate, use, and other factors, but I'd rather play it safe. I will probably put the Bridgestone Battleax BT-45's back on it, as they seem to be the best all-around tire for my money.
+1 on a tire, not one that doesn't last past an oil change [5k miles]
I would also say get some HH brake pads, they last longer, produce less dust, and once warmed up, give ya some extra stopping power. they don't seem to ruin the stock rotors on the GS500s.
Quote from: J_Walker on April 19, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
+1 on a tire, not one that doesn't last past an oil change [5k miles]
I would also say get some HH brake pads, they last longer, produce less dust, and once warmed up, give ya some extra stopping power. they don't seem to ruin the stock rotors on the GS500s.
I've got a countdown going until my kids are out of preschool for the summer (one month from today), and my spending budget increases exponentially. I've got quite a few motorcycle items on my Amazon wish list...
I hadn't thought much about brake pads, but the ones on the bike are squeaking just a little. I'm not sure if the rotors just need cleaned up, or if it's getting close to time to put new pads on. I'll have to take a closer look. How long does a set of pads typically last?
Quote from: rscottlow on April 18, 2017, 04:35:17 PM
Thanks for the link. I'm somewhat committed to the RAM Mounts brand, as I already have the base and the connecting arm,
I also already had the RAM connector, but bought this anyway. RAM stuff too expensive.
QuoteWhat type of phone do you use with it, and how much use has it seen?
Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (4.6"), and I've ridden probably 100 miles with the phone on there on bumpy and curvy backroads along with a couple of 60+mph highway stretches. It vibrates some when in use but doesn't seem to have any risk of losing the phone, even without the silicone spider-web looking thing holding it on. With the silicone thing there'd be basically no way to lose the phone unless the mount broke, like in a crash.
I agree. I can't help but wonder if you're paying for the name. I'm mostly aggravated because while the base came with my bike when I bought it, I just wasted $8 on the arm. I could still return it, but that seems like more hassle than it's worth. Although it would practically offset the cost to purchase the mount that you've got :dunno_black:
Quote from: rscottlow on April 19, 2017, 11:59:00 AM
I can't help but wonder if you're paying for the name.
There may be some truth to this, but you also get a high quality piece.
The plastic they use isn't the type that seriously degrades with exposure to sun, rubber mounting means the phone doesn't vibrate, and they carry a lifetime warranty.
As with most things, you get what you pay for.
Quote from: rscottlow on April 19, 2017, 11:30:27 AM
Quote from: J_Walker on April 19, 2017, 11:04:15 AM
+1 on a tire, not one that doesn't last past an oil change [5k miles]
I would also say get some HH brake pads, they last longer, produce less dust, and once warmed up, give ya some extra stopping power. they don't seem to ruin the stock rotors on the GS500s.
I've got a countdown going until my kids are out of preschool for the summer (one month from today), and my spending budget increases exponentially. I've got quite a few motorcycle items on my Amazon wish list...
I hadn't thought much about brake pads, but the ones on the bike are squeaking just a little. I'm not sure if the rotors just need cleaned up, or if it's getting close to time to put new pads on. I'll have to take a closer look. How long does a set of pads typically last?
my HH pads, in the front last me about 7k miles, my rear ones about 5k. But I'm in stop and go traffic a lot, and generally use the rear brake along side of engine braking for most of my stopping, its more comfy that way.
QuoteThere may be some truth to this, but you also get a high quality piece.
The plastic they use isn't the type that seriously degrades with exposure to sun, rubber mounting means the phone doesn't vibrate, and they carry a lifetime warranty.
As with most things, you get what you pay for.
And when your trusting a 300-1000$ mini computer to a mounting device an extra 40$ doesn't strike me as ridiculous expense.
Quote from: lefty1615 on April 19, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
QuoteThere may be some truth to this, but you also get a high quality piece.
The plastic they use isn't the type that seriously degrades with exposure to sun, rubber mounting means the phone doesn't vibrate, and they carry a lifetime warranty.
As with most things, you get what you pay for.
And when your trusting a 300-1000$ mini computer to a mounting device an extra 40$ doesn't strike me as ridiculous expense.
Fair enough. At this point, it's the difference between spending $25 for the x-grip or $12 for the one mr72 linked. So I'll likely spend the extra few bucks and get the RAM.
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Got stuck in a downpour on my way home.
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I was going to do the photo challenge, but I was trying to beat out the rain. There's a backhoe parked on a job site on my way home that I'll try to stop at tomorrow. Anyway, the rain was a new adventure. To make it worse, I was stuck behind a school bus and had to keep stopping. When I pulled into my driveway, the rain stopped...
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Quote from: rscottlow on April 20, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
Got stuck in a downpour on my way home.
When I pulled into my driveway, the rain stopped...
That is 100% how these things work.
When I first started commuting by bike I was living in Illinois and working at a machine shop just off the border with Indiana. I would take Interstate 294 the whole way, which ran more or less diagonally South-SouthEast until it met with I80 and went straight East. I literally would take like the second exit off I80 and I'd be at work, it wasn't very far east I had to go.
One day the old man goes to leave, says goodbye and everything, then comes back in a minute later and says to me "Looks like you're gonna get wet on the way home, there's these nasty looking clouds rolling in." "... what? It's not supposed to rain today!"
Run outside, there's a rolling grey mass of clouds coming in FAST. Check my phone, the radar is blowing up, coming in from the North basically directly off the lake and it's heading mostly South.
I ask my boss if I can run to try and beat the storm, it's like a half hour before my scheduled end of day. He says it's fine as long as I made that half hour up the next day.
Jump into my gear, toss my phone into the Pelican case I had, basically dive onto the bike, screw waiting for it to warm up I'm racing down the street with the choke on full!
Just as I'm going down the entrance ramp it starts to drizzle, by the time I merge it's raining, another block and it's POURING. Now I'm thinking I'll stop under the nearest overpass to wait it out. Nope, by the time I got there I was already soaked through so I just pressed on.
Take my exit and when I come to a stop it's not raining, the sun is shining.
As I'm going through my neighborhood I'm seeing people cutting grass, walking dogs, kids playing Frisbee, riding bicycles...
I step foot in my house and my mom takes one look at me and says "What the F :nono: happened to YOU!?"
"Didn't a huge storm just roll through here?" She just shakes her head.
I grab my phone. Look at the radar. Literally the storm followed the interstate, turned South-West until it hit 294 and then turned straight south. It's like if you could imagine the storm being piloted by some jerk that saw me and thought "HAHA! A guy on a motorcycle, let's get him!" What's worse is it looks like it's already passed the machine shop.
I call my boss and ask him if it's still raining there. Nope. Poured for like 20 minutes, now there's already dry patches forming on the concrete. If I would have STAYED until the scheduled end of my shift I would have been DRY!
:flipoff:
I wish it would rain here, last time I saw rain I think it was in December...
Hahaha Watcher that's hilarious. I only have a 14 mile commute which is mostly back roads, and it didn't really start pouring until about mile 10, so it could've been worse. My wife told me it was going to rain, but of course I didn't listen :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: J_Walker on April 20, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
I wish it would rain here, last time I saw rain I think it was in December...
You can have some of ours :cheers:
Of course the opposite also happens.
It's supposed to rain, but you're 100% prepared. Got the rain-suit on, the dry bag packed, electronics stashed, waterproof boots, everything, and maybe it's even raining when you set off, but it'll stop and you'll be sweating because of the extra gear you have on...
Yeah, that's part of why I've committed to riding even if there's a moderate chance of rain in the afternoon. I don't mind getting wet on the ride home (even though it's not ideal), as long as I show up to work dry. If it's raining when I leave the house in the morning I'm taking the truck, no questions asked.
Quote from: rscottlow on April 21, 2017, 05:24:28 AM
Hahaha Watcher that's hilarious. I only have a 14 mile commute which is mostly back roads, and it didn't really start pouring until about mile 10, so it could've been worse. My wife told me it was going to rain, but of course I didn't listen :icon_rolleyes:
Quote from: J_Walker on April 20, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
I wish it would rain here, last time I saw rain I think it was in December...
You can have some of ours :cheers:
thanks, Disney might even pay ya for some of that rain.. since last I heard a couple of days ago, they are importing water in for their two lakes.. the fairy boats that are one of the ways to get into the magic kingdom, where *clears throat* running into dry spots of the lake.. and you don't wanna know what happens to you as a guest if those boats stop moving.. waiting 2 hours worth of line to get on a monorail, just to be packed in like sardines. or likewise on the buses... yikes no fun.
Small wonder they haven't come up with a way to mass desalinate and purify ocean water for the city, that's how Naval ships hydrate their sailors, reverse osmosis...
Quote from: rscottlow on April 19, 2017, 07:15:30 AM...This also reinforces my need to be able to see my cell phone for GPS purposes while on the bike, since I don't know how to get to my eye doctor's office from work...
LOL, do you have any idea how funny that sounds to guys my age?! :)
Quote from: RichDesmond on April 22, 2017, 06:46:42 AM
Quote from: rscottlow on April 19, 2017, 07:15:30 AM...This also reinforces my need to be able to see my cell phone for GPS purposes while on the bike, since I don't know how to get to my eye doctor's office from work...
LOL, do you have any idea how funny that sounds to guys my age?! :)
Haha! I'm pretty good about getting around, but the roads I ride the GS on aren't necessarily the same roads I drive when I'm trying to get somewhere. I looked up directions before I left the office, and got there with no problem. I just would've preferred to set the GPS to take back roads through a part of town that I don't frequent. Would've saved me sitting in a bunch of stop and go traffic.
I say all that, but I fully embrace the millennial technology culture. I'm pretty attached to my smart phone. There's something to be said for having instant access to an infinite source of information.
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Quote from: RichDesmond on April 22, 2017, 06:46:42 AM
Quote from: rscottlow on April 19, 2017, 07:15:30 AM...This also reinforces my need to be able to see my cell phone for GPS purposes while on the bike, since I don't know how to get to my eye doctor's office from work...
LOL, do you have any idea how funny that sounds to guys my age?! :)
too bad the dinosaurs aren't around any more to ask for directions, huh? :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: J_Walker on April 22, 2017, 05:12:08 PM
Quote from: RichDesmond on April 22, 2017, 06:46:42 AM
Quote from: rscottlow on April 19, 2017, 07:15:30 AM...This also reinforces my need to be able to see my cell phone for GPS purposes while on the bike, since I don't know how to get to my eye doctor's office from work...
LOL, do you have any idea how funny that sounds to guys my age?! :)
too bad the dinosaurs aren't around any more to ask for directions, huh? :icon_mrgreen:
I just always felt sorry for the guys chisling the maps into those clay tablets, that seemed like a tough job....:)