I have an '89 GS500e and the front and rear brakes are not the best. I know I need to change/replace the pads however do any of you have suggestions for upgrades to the entire front brake system? Also what front and rear tires do you all suggest for stock rims? I need to get some new tires this winter and want to make the best decision possible for my limited budget. (I will use my app to upload a couple pics of my bike)
Thanks in advance
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I always thought the GS had pretty good brakes.
The easiest improvement in stopping power is switching to HH brake pads.
If that is not enough you can replace your brake lines with stainless steel lines to remove the flex of the stock rubber lines. I have HEL lines on my bike.
Putting on a thick aluminum fork brace will eliminate some of the pull you get from fork flex under hard braking with a single brake rotor.
After that you are looking at something more complicated. A member on this forum used to sell a bracket to adapt 4 and 6 piston brake calipers for the front but I don't know if he still makes them.
The best upgrade is going to be swapping the entire front end to something like a Katana 600 or GSXR that has dual rotors.
For tires I recommend the Pirelli Sport Demons in the stock size. They have been the best overall tire I have used.
I recently replaced the stock brake lines, front and rear, with braided stainless ones. Motosport had a sale on Galfer ones back in March. Couldn't pass it up! I very much like the new lines.
I'm sure you'll have a bunch of replies with tire suggestions but I'll throw mine in anyway. I have a 140/80 Michelin Pilot Activ on the rear of my GS and I didn't have to modify anything to fit the bigger size. On the front I have a Michelin Pilot Street, stock size. I have no complaints about either of them.
Your clip-ons look great!
+1 to Bluesmudge... I had my reply all typed out and then he beat me haha. Almost forgot about the thicker fork brace! !
if you go with 80 talls in the rear on the GS, plan on getting slightly longer dog-bones to raise the rear a little, or put in a really stiff shock, otherwise you will be rubbing underneath bottom of the plastics on heavy bumps or with 2 up riding.
Properly bled, and some HH brake pads on the bike, make a world of difference.. don't put on anything else, its extra money, but its worth it.
Huh, that's strange... Walker, have you encountered that issue? I remember you recently bought new hoops... and I think you went with the 130/80 maybe?
I have stock dogbones and the stock shock on my GS (set to 5) and I've never had a problem with the tire rubbing on anything. I even have the Bandit 400 hugger as well. I do go over some crazy bumps here in PA and I also take a passenger with me from time to time :dunno_black: I will say though, that my chicky friends that have ridden with me were all on the more petite side :icon_mrgreen:
Kirk, look around for a front caliper from an F model. It has an upgraded piston design compared to the E model caliper. The rear caliper never changed. New braided lines, HH pads, and new fluid, and you'll be good.
+1 for the F brakes being good. I like mine
Thanks ALL for the replies, I am planning on making the bike look A LOT better this winter and make these upgrades. I will get the HH Brake pads and braided lines along with BizWolf tire suggestion. I typically do not have anyone on the back and the seat I am changing over to will not be the best for 2 people.
I am going to get progressive springs for the front, should I replace the rear shock as well? I was thinking the R6 sock, I think I read on here where that was a good upgrade. I am 6'4 210 lbs if that changes anything as for shock upgrades.
Thanks again :cheers:
Progressive springs are frowned upon.
http://sonicsprings.com/catalog/straight_vs_prog_tech_article.php
Go Kat750 for the rear. It's direct bolt in, and is closer to the original design than a yamaha product.
FYI I also have a Pilot Activ on the rear, stock size 130/70. Seems fine. I don't have much to compare it to.
On the front I recently switched from the Shinko 740 that was nearly worn out to a Pirelli Sport Demon again in the stock size 110/70. Night and day better.
There is a ton of information about tire choices for these bikes in the forum, including a lot IIRC from gsJack. Search, read up, etc.
BTW when I bought my bike it had a 6-piston caliper conversion and Hayabusa caliper. I switched back to stock. There is nothing to complain about with the stock brakes as far as I can tell. They seem more than fine to me. But again, I'm not comparing the performance to something else.
Quote from: mr72 on June 05, 2017, 09:53:49 AM
BTW when I bought my bike it had a 6-piston caliper conversion and Hayabusa caliper.
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Quote from: qcbaker on June 05, 2017, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: mr72 on June 05, 2017, 09:53:49 AM
BTW when I bought my bike it had a 6-piston caliper conversion and Hayabusa caliper.
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Haha.
My thoughts exactly. I sold the 6-piston caliper and conversion kit.
Bike stops on a dime with stock caliper. Works for me.
Kirk, have a look at this thread too, if you have time. Has some good info in it in regards to rider specs and suspension setups:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=69391.0
Quote from: mr72 on June 05, 2017, 10:16:46 AM
Haha.
My thoughts exactly. I sold the 6-piston caliper and conversion kit.
Bike stops on a dime with stock caliper. Works for me.
Yeah, I've never had an issue with stopping the bike. Only "issue" is that the front suspension seems to dive a bit under even light braking, but that's more of an "I should upgrade my springs" issue than it is a braking issue. But, I don't feel like investing more than I have to into my GS at this point since I'm planning on selling it and upgrading to GSX-R by next year.
I am using the EBC FA231 HH
They are really good.. could not feel any fading at all
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Quote from: Bluesmudge on June 02, 2017, 01:50:40 PM
Putting on a thick aluminum fork brace will eliminate some of the pull you get from fork flex under hard braking with a single brake rotor.
Never thought bout this.... nice!
I will study this and I will try to feel this effect under hard braking.... and maybe cut some Al for my GS also! :icon_razz: :thumb:
tks
The stock "fork brace" isn't. It is so thin and the holes are so near the edge it is only a mudguard support. They crack often.
I made a new stiffer one bu sandwiching 10 layers of carbon fibre clamped between 2X 5mm Al plates ( bonded to both). It is way stiffer.
Some pics: One of the rough work and the installed :
(https://s5.postimg.org/5x7u4mvoz/fork_brace_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5x7u4mvoz/)
(https://s5.postimg.org/ya3bv3p4z/forks_21.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ya3bv3p4z/)
Quote from: gregjet on December 17, 2017, 01:12:29 PM
The stock "fork brace" isn't. It is so thin and the holes are so near the edge it is only a mudguard support. They crack often.
I made a new stiffer one bu sandwiching 10 layers of carbon fibre clamped between 2X 5mm Al plates ( bonded to both). It is way stiffer.
Some pics: One of the rough work and the installed :
(https://s5.postimg.org/5x7u4mvoz/fork_brace_1.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5x7u4mvoz/)
(https://s5.postimg.org/ya3bv3p4z/forks_21.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ya3bv3p4z/)
Thanks! I appreciate that!
Quote from: Suzi Q on June 05, 2017, 08:40:44 AM
Progressive springs are frowned upon.
http://sonicsprings.com/catalog/straight_vs_prog_tech_article.php
Go Kat750 for the rear. It's direct bolt in, and is closer to the original design than a yamaha product.
I was planning to do the same.... so what do you think about:
1) just increase the spacer size (increase the pre loading)
or
2) fit some air valves on the top fork nut and put some compressed air inside it
cheers man!
interesting color combo. :D
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I still need to find some fenders and a new smaller headlight too.
Nice looking bike Walker, I am planning on a new seat and going to try to hide the wiring as well.
Quote from: 89gS500_Kirk on January 02, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
Nice looking bike Walker, I am planning on a new seat and going to try to hide the wiring as well.
Don't need to be nice here. my bike is a turd. :laugh: the closer you look the worse it gets. just squint and hop up and down while it goes past you at 50mph. it'll look its best.