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I've just bought a batch (4), of decent quality oil filters
(came from the land of 'The Evil Empire' ; No prizes for guessing !)
But here's the problem / kicker....
They came WITHOUT the (much wanted), outer 'O'-Ring that fits the circular-pan housing cover
BTW ; I Don't wanna Re-Use the 'old' prev' one, when new oil-change time comes around....
(hence asking advice, for "new")
Now, I "have" had experience with these older filter housing cover Suzuki 'O-Ring' in the (distant) past....
This is because I owned a 'New' GSX250 (1980's), plus, the wonderful GS.1000 that I own today (1980's thru 2020)
So I am 'conversant' with both size / shape / type of 'O'-Ring that fits the pan-cover, on those.
Whilst I 'know' the GS500's = ALL use the same filter, is the same true for the rubber 'O'-Ring seal ????
I ask, because (am out of touch w/modern-bikes), I've seen SOME 'O'-Rings for the GSF.1200 Bandit(s) AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT
I've only just this last few weeks bought my GS500 (2002 'K2' model)
No need for me to "oil-change" yet, as it was fully-serviced the week it was delivered (one month ago, today)
So, whilst I "won't" be splitting the cover anytime soon, I "do" wanna build-up a stash of spares for it.
My question is - Does MY year 2002/2003 ('K2' model), use the 1200 Bandit type 'O'-Ring ?
Or, does it use the (far) more older, traditional type 'O'-Ring (just 3 kinks), as found on GS850, GS1000's etc ?
I've seen a 'K&N' filter (Ebay), which clearly shows BOTH 'O-Ring types, but I don't know which mine uses ?
Can anyone reading this PLEASE "Enlighten Me" as to which type my 2002 build, 2003 registered GS500 'K2' will use ?
(P.S ; I'm in the U.K, not the U.S.A), Cheers.
P.P.S - I've included my questions / example, using the K&N GS500 photo', with added text, below....
My '06 UK model uses the second one, and according to the parts fiche every model since '89 also uses this.
Quote from: max on September 27, 2020, 11:41:39 AM'
My '06 UK model uses the second one, and according to the parts fiche every model since '89 also uses this.
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Cheers Max -
That will be an absolute 'God-send' to me,
as it'll mean that BOTH bikes will use the same filters & 'O'-Ring Rubber Gaskets
Basically, an "either/or" useage, depending on my future circumstances (whatever they might be)
Commonality of parts (& spare parts), is something that I'd never envisaged...
Given my GS.1000-E is a 1978 model
My GS.500 is a year 2002 model, so, essentially they're 24-years apart - some distance -
(Although I get the GS400/425/450 lineage & it's evident age)
Now the only trouble then, will be trying to get FOUR of the 'older' (#2), type 'O'-rings,
without being royally "ripped-off"
When I looked (briefly, the other night, on Ebay), they wanted nigh on £10.00
($13.00) for EACH rubber 'O'-Ring :icon_sad:
In U.S terms, that's $ 52.00 USD just for four paltry rubber rings !
(or Forty-quid, to us Brit's/Limeys)
Given that they (type #2), have been fitted inside GS425's (1979),
plus other 1970's Suzuki's, you'd think they'd be MUCH cheaper, right ?
If anyone knows of a 'U.K' vendor selling 'em at sensible money
(instead of just taking the p!$$), then please do holler !
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No problem. Can't help with sourcing the o-rings unfortunately - I order mine from wemoto for the filter + origins at about £3.50 for both. How much were your filters from 'the evil empire'?
Quote from: max on September 27, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
No problem. Can't help with sourcing the o-rings unfortunately -
I order mine from wemoto for the filter + origins at about £3.50 for both.
How much were your filters from 'the evil empire'?
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Hi again Max,
My "Batch of FOUR" Suzuki GS Oil-Filters were just £9.00 for all FOUR (!)
No Gaskets, mind. Here's the listing itself, below....
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4PC-Oil-Filter-For-Suzuki-GS500-E-F-H-GS450-GS550-GSX550-GS650-GS750-GSX750/143649296075?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4PC-Oil-Filter-For-Suzuki-GS500-E-F-H-GS450-GS550-GSX550-GS650-GS750-GSX750/143649296075?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
It was £9.50 start-price, or, "Best Offer"
I booted him up the nuts for £8.50, naturally expecting a 'knockback'
As I was up at night, he came back at me within the Hour, with a straight £9.00 offer
Thought "Bollocks, it's cheap enough & "if" they're $h!te, I'll just punt them back out again
But they're not - In all honesty they look ok
Take note that even the much vaunted famous 'K&N' brand ARE "Made in China", as these are.
Metal canister casing at both front & back - Bear in mind NO 'O'-Rings at all**
** (save the section that goes into engine/mating surface)
Given that ordinarily these self-same filters are £5.00 = EACH
£9.00 for FOUR sounds too good to be true, but, that's what they were.... ($12.00 for 4)
Pity that I have to go back on there sometime, then, go look for rubber 'O'-Rings too :icon_sad:
Next time, I won't p!$$-about, I'll just buy a dearer/more expensive one, WITH 'O'-Rings
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Dirt cheap, no name oil filters are false economy.
I use a good filter and try to buy it at a good price.
In the USA, I'll buy a Wix filter, Mann or HiFlo
I have a HiFlo HF133 for the Suzuki. Good filter, good gasket (o-ring) fair price ($7 US)
Quote from: Sporty on September 27, 2020, 04:20:28 PM
Dirt cheap, no name oil filters are false economy.
I use a good filter and try to buy it at a good price.
In the USA, I'll buy a Wix filter, Mann or HiFlo
I have a HiFlo HF133 for the Suzuki. Good filter, good gasket (o-ring) fair price ($7 US)
'
Well then ; $7.00 with 'O'-rings "is" as cheap as chips, plus I know the brand name, "Hi-Flo"
T'was a "Hi-Flo" air-filter that I bought, when I first obtained my rather lovely Kawasaki ZR.550 "Zephyr"
Yeah, I'm conversant with the name & brand & that price (albeit in USD '$') is dirt-cheap, esp' as it has 'O'-Rings included.
Worth pointing out tho' = Even the famous brand "K&N" Oil Filters ARE "Made in China" - (it's stamped on that listing I linked)
My uneducated (but still given my 5+ near 6 decade-wisdom), guess tells me that "HiFlo" are/were made in China ?
If the mighty famous brand-name of "K&N" (which I've known since 1981/1982), are "Made in China", then it's a crap-shoot !
These filters I've bought certainly do not LOOK like $h!te & I'd be willing to take a punt....
If the ones I've bought, plus the "Hi-Flo", then also the "K&N"s = ARE ALL MADE IN CHINA, we don't have much option ! :bowdown:
It's the 'O'-Rings (or, in my "this instance", lack thereof), that would put me off buying them again.
I'll be on the lookout for 'New' O-Rings in future, as I wouldn't chance it inside my dearly beloved GS.(1000)
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Quote from: Hornchurch on September 28, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: Sporty on September 27, 2020, 04:20:28 PM
Dirt cheap, no name oil filters are false economy.
I use a good filter and try to buy it at a good price.
In the USA, I'll buy a Wix filter, Mann or HiFlo
I have a HiFlo HF133 for the Suzuki. Good filter, good gasket (o-ring) fair price ($7 US)
'
Well then ; $7.00 with 'O'-rings "is" as cheap as chips, plus I know the brand name, "Hi-Flo"
T'was a "Hi-Flo" air-filter that I bought, when I first obtained my rather lovely Kawasaki ZR.550 "Zephyr"
Yeah, I'm conversant with the name & brand & that price (albeit in USD '$') is dirt-cheap, esp' as it has 'O'-Rings included.
Worth pointing out tho' = Even the famous brand "K&N" Oil Filters ARE "Made in China" - (it's stamped on that listing I linked)
My uneducated (but still given my 5+ near 6 decade-wisdom), guess tells me that "HiFlo" are/were made in China ?
If the mighty famous brand-name of "K&N" (which I've known since 1981/1982), are "Made in China", then it's a crap-shoot !
These filters I've bought certainly do not LOOK like $h!te & I'd be willing to take a punt....
If the ones I've bought, plus the "Hi-Flo", then also the "K&N"s = ARE ALL MADE IN CHINA, we don't have much option ! :bowdown:
It's the 'O'-Rings (or, in my "this instance", lack thereof), that would put me off buying them again.
I'll be on the lookout for 'New' O-Rings in future, as I wouldn't chance it inside my dearly beloved GS.(1000)
.
Edit:
Hi Flo are made in Thailand. I'd rather USA or EU, but I've taken Hi Flo apart all looked good and they get good reviews.
K&N Oil filters are just marked up rebrand from China... I haven't heard of any problems, I have used them, but it's nothing special, just the name. They ride on the K&N Air Fliter name recognition.
The problem with bulk lots of dirt cheap Chinese stuff... it can be perfectly fine, but it's often goods that failed an importers quality control, dumped cheap.
There is quite a bit to an oil filter. More than most realize. The GS500 filter includes a bypass, it needs to make a good seal on the middle spigot. The quality of filter media is important, as well as how it's bonded to the end caps.
As far as the orings, I think you'd be fine with a round o-ring... it's not much to conform to those three indents.
Quote from: Sporty on September 28, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: Hornchurch on September 28, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: Sporty on September 27, 2020, 04:20:28 PM
Dirt cheap, no name oil filters are false economy.
I use a good filter and try to buy it at a good price.
In the USA, I'll buy a Wix filter, Mann or HiFlo
I have a HiFlo HF133 for the Suzuki. Good filter, good gasket (o-ring) fair price ($7 US)
'
Well then ; $7.00 with 'O'-rings "is" as cheap as chips, plus I know the brand name, "Hi-Flo"
T'was a "Hi-Flo" air-filter that I bought, when I first obtained my rather lovely Kawasaki ZR.550 "Zephyr"
Yeah, I'm conversant with the name & brand & that price (albeit in USD '$') is dirt-cheap, esp' as it has 'O'-Rings included.
Worth pointing out tho' = Even the famous brand "K&N" Oil Filters ARE "Made in China" - (it's stamped on that listing I linked)
My uneducated (but still given my 5+ near 6 decade-wisdom), guess tells me that "HiFlo" are/were made in China ?
If the mighty famous brand-name of "K&N" (which I've known since 1981/1982), are "Made in China", then it's a crap-shoot !
These filters I've bought certainly do not LOOK like $h!te & I'd be willing to take a punt....
If the ones I've bought, plus the "Hi-Flo", then also the "K&N"s = ARE ALL MADE IN CHINA, we don't have much option ! :bowdown:
It's the 'O'-Rings (or, in my "this instance", lack thereof), that would put me off buying them again.
I'll be on the lookout for 'New' O-Rings in future, as I wouldn't chance it inside my dearly beloved GS.(1000)
.
Edit:
Hi Flo are made in Thailand. I'd rather USA or EU, but I've taken Hi Flo apart all looked good and they get good reviews.
K&N Oil filters are just marked up rebrand from China... I haven't heard of any problems, I have used them, but it's nothing special, just the name. They ride on the K&N Air Fliter name recognition.
The problem with bulk lots of dirt cheap Chinese stuff... it can be perfectly fine, but it's often goods that failed an importers quality control, dumped cheap.
There is quite a bit to an oil filter. More than most realize. The GS500 filter includes a bypass, it needs to make a good seal on the middle spigot. The quality of filter media is important, as well as how it's bonded to the end caps.
As far as the orings, I think you'd be fine with a round o-ring... it's not much to conform to those three indents.
'
Just caught you post Sporty - (Missed it, clearly, over the weekend)
Thailand filters, Hmmm, interesting :cry:
Update is, I got my first proper Suzuki 'OEM' gasket, or rather Oil-Filter 'O'-Ring
Some guy on the 'net has/had a modern Suzuki & had bought the wrong 'O'-Ring by mistake.
Saw the listing - Came in a proper Suzuki labelled bag c/w "official" part number (& is suitable)
Have noted (without going all 'anorak'), that many of these EXACT same 'O'-Rings carry differing numbers//*different applications"
Looks identical to my old GSX.250 and GS.1000-E = 'O'-Rings that I've used, in decades past.
Only cost £3.00 (around $4.50) and is obviously "new/mint/brand-new" (& of course, has the three known indentations, molded-in)
Luckily, the (very nice condition, low-mileage), bike that I've bought has Oil as clean, or cleaner than Extra-Virgin-Olive-Oil in a supermarket :icon_mrgreen:
Won't be doing any servicing yet a while, but I am & shall be adding some extra saddle-padding (my fat-ar$e), plus handlebar risers
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Quote from: Hornchurch on October 05, 2020, 11:08:17 AM
Thailand filters, Hmmm, interesting :cry:
Surprising isn't it?
http://www.hiflofiltro.com/why-hiflo
At least you found what you needed, the o-ring! :cheers: