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this is seriously stupid. i understand how infuriating it is when cagers run right into your lane, but kicking their doors in? and then threatening them? it's dangerous riding a bike....LIVE WITH IT. i guarantee two things will come out of that situation:
1. the lady in the car will not start driving better
2. the lady in the car *will* start hating riders actively
cagers are morons, but acting hostile towards them will only make things worse. i don't want to see action taken against motorcycle riders because of the bad reputation that a minority of us have earned.
such belligerent behaviour is pretty pointless IMO. i'd go so far as to say that the rider is making up for feelings of inadequacy, but it's a girl. maybe one of the girls can say something about whether this overaggressive behaviour has anything to do with being a girl on a fast bike?
That was pretty interesting. I am going to look that up and see who is at fault legally. I just want to know.
I agree with AR5ENAL. What the lady one the bike did was really stupid. Instead of thinking and acting on a way of getting out of the situation, she chose to stay close enough to kick that Camry. I wouldn't want to challenge any car... they have at least a 2000 pound advantage on me! I think the driver must have blinked when she saw the biker was a woman :lol:
Anyways... the whole 'going faster than traffic makes me feel safer' is a bunch of crap. While in my car, I remember the spacing between cars as I pass them on the highway. The cars ahead and the ones that pass me I don't care about cause they are ahead of me. I check my mirrors and blind spots, but there's no way I'm going to see a bike weaving through traffic going 10-20 mph faster than traffic flow. I go more by spacing than visual cues when changing lanes... so that supposedly 'safer' biker going fast is going to get nudged.
Quotethe whole 'going faster than traffic makes me feel safer' is a bunch of crap.
20mph is not defendable, 3-7mph faster i will agree with. it doesnt matter what you drive, if you going slower then "FLOW" your obstricting traffic and that is dangerous to more then one person. motorcycles fit into blind spots way too easyly, so scooting past the "Average Flow" (not the ones doing warp 3) 3-7mph faster will keep you from being in blind spots for long and it makes you a Moveing object in others "Feild of Vision" as to kicking in doors? yeah its dangerous, so is the person in the car, she might aswell held a gun, potentialy just as leathal. I have posed this same question to numerous cops, Moto and cruiser. all say same thing, "KICK THE BLOODY DOOR IN, either way its thier word against yours". (i like taking mirrors off myself i own 3 now, 1 Mits Galant,1 GTI, and one from a lex ES300? ) whats that? Get away? well, good an all if you can safely do so without endangering another or putting yourself from one frying pan into another, ask me about gaurd rails some time, or riding concreat curbing 2' wide at about 60mph for 500'. or flat tracking at 45-50 in grassy median between lanes of travel.
Yes Bikes are dangerous, get use to it? No way, Dangers of the road and weather are one thing. NO ONE has the right to Threaten My life beyond my own allowences.
Side note: Most the drivers who "Didn't See Me" often wave "Sorry my bad" its the ones who blatantly look right at me and then decide to do it anyway that feel my wrath. No where in the U.S. does Lane spliting apply to CARS. Very few states allow it for Bikes.
Eh, I should make a distinction then... if someone tried that on a Long Island parkway, I'd kick the door in, then go flying off onto the median because the lanes are only 8 ft wide and there are no shoulders (and that's why there is no splitting in NY... some roads are way too narrow!). If on one of the normal highways, there's enough room to escape if you pay attention. The biker was just being confrontational and probably could have gotten away if she paid attention rather than looking for a fight.
As for blind spots, sure, go a little faster or slower than traffic flow. I do that in my car to get out of those!
Anyways, for lane positioning... Lets say you are in the left hand lane of a 2 lane highway. I put myself in the rightmost part of the lane (and the leftmost part if I was in the right lane) in order to make myself more visible to drivers who might want to get into my line. Gives the appearance of the spot taken up, rather than hanging out in the far part of the lane and giving the car driver a nice juicy spot to push you out of. What about if you were in a middle lane of a 3+ lane highway?
Yeah I think he didn't take the MSF class!
Does anyone recall a few years back the two soccer moms in atlanta ga that were driving along when soccer mom #1 cut off soccer mom #2. ensuing an all out mommy dearest hellfest. they followed eachother off the highway, soccer mom #1 with her kids in the car no less goes walking over to the other mother, screaming and acting like she's gonna hit the lady so soccer mom #2 still in her minivan pulls out her gun, bought just for a situation like this although I imagine her envisioning a rather large man instead of her body double in soccer mom clothing. Long story short, one shot and soccer mom #1 no longer goes to soccer practice, infact mom is doing much these days six feet under ground. or how about the eighty year old man on the sunken meadow parkway in long island near northport long island who was flagged over by a younger gentleman for impeading his process of doing ninty in a fifty five zone. The older man shot him in the face and drove off. If you want to test the sanity of others do so at your own risk...
Ummm .... OK is it just me or are the chicks over there really really really over compensating...
Cool.
Srinath.
Gee I don't know why people don't like motorcyclists . . . .
PSYCHO!!!
In my opinion, people like that shouldn't be on a motorcycle.
LaBusas for women :lol:
I don't kick doors, I rarely flip off people. I am aware that I am one irate @$$hole away from getting run over from road rage. So I forget about most things dunb people do.
Amen! Stephan is right. This woman did no good for the sport or her fellow motorcyclists. We complain that cagers are out to get us, but I notice the same driving habits when I'm in my car as I do on my bike so I don't take it personally. Actually, those drivers that do notice me on my bike usually show me a little extra curtousy. So the approach I take is to be sure to give a thumbs up or a polite wave to drivers that give me a break, and do my best to avoid the idiots.
Rich
One of the beauties of living in Canada is that I dont have to worry as much about somoene pulling a gun out and blowing my head off. If eel pretty safe kicking off mirrors, denting doors, smashing tail lights. You know all the good stuff to get back at cagers who f%$k with me.
I totally endorse how this person reacted to the lady in the Camry. Ignorant bitches like that deserve whats coming to them. I hate it when people have too much pride to admit that they are wrong. I smash away!
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Quote from: Rich500One of the beauties of living in Canada is that I dont have to worry as much about somoene pulling a gun out and blowing my head off. If eel pretty safe kicking off mirrors, denting doors, smashing tail lights. You know all the good stuff to get back at cagers who f%$k with me.
I totally endorse how this person reacted to the lady in the Camry. Ignorant bitches like that deserve whats coming to them. I hate it when people have too much pride to admit that they are wrong. I smash away!
You'll do that one day in the fall, the driver will knock you off the road, and they'll find your body after the spring thaw ;) Canadians aren't
that polite, you know :lol:
/\---Luckily where I live it doesnt really snow all that much.
I just get so sick off cagers. They are so ignorant. Especially come spring. THey forget how to drive with motorcycles on the road. They just floata orund in their lanes, dont shoulder check, you know how it is.
As for Ed_In_Ass's comment about gun control, I think we should leave the subject alone. I think others may remember how pissed off I got last time this subjectw as brought up here. Not happy about the US gun policy. Lets leave it at that. :cheers:
lol. You really think that just because you have gun control laws that means nobody has a gun?
that's funny.
the only difference is that the people that still have guns in canada, while there are fewer of them, won't hesitate to use them if they can get away with it.
If you have a gun legally you know what you are and aren't allowed to do with it.
If you have a gun illegally, you do wtih it whatever you think you can get away with... which is actually no different than what you could get away with in the US, since unless they actually thought you were going to kill them, if the so much as pulled a gun on you you could get them sent to prison for years. If they fired, it's a murder charge... so really no different than canada.
Granted, there are probably people that get concealed permits that aren't even tempered enough to have them... but then, the people in canada who have them (and if you really think that nobody in canada has a gun, you really are dreaming) are pretty well *all* unsuited to have them, since it's only people who don't care about the law who have them there....
I know your views on the subject, Rich, and that's fine... but your implication that just because you're in canada, you're free to kick in anyone's door w/out fear of retaliation is ludicrous. particularly since if you kicked in my door and I were really ticked (now, keep in mind that I am always careful to keep an eye out for bikers, so it wouldn't happen), I wouldn't pull a gun on you... that would be stupid. I'd just swerve a little harder and take you out, since it'd be pretty easy to do that and claim that it was a reflexive response to the kick... since it scared me out of my wits, you know.
Of course, I'd be terribly sorry afterwords.... but you'd have far less of a case against me, and that's assuming you survived whatever happened to you.
I'd rather be shot at while I was go 75+mph and moving around than swerved into anyday. most people can't hit a bike from a moving car, and if they don't hit you the first time, you get your rear end out of there and call the cops... after checking the license plates.
Richard, Weve been through this, remember?
Im not getting into it!
Im not saying Im free to do this stuff, Im just kidding around. Playing devils advocate. Its not something I do on a regular basis.
Seriously, leave it at that.
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=] :guns:
Caught myself knocking on windows a few times before.
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Well, after talking it over with my insurance professor today. The bottom line is if you cause damage to another vehicle in that manner you are held responsible for the damage that you caused another. but the thing is, you are supposed to protect your self and your vehicle from apparent danger according to most insurance policies. It's weird no one in my class could really determine fault. But the court wouldn't hold you responsible. It's really screwy on fault for this one. We are now having a group discussion on the matter next. Anyways, who ever is at fault doesn't really matter if you get killed in the process. You all be safe out there, esp in those more popluated areas.
whats an insurance professor? :dunno:
Wow Wow Wow!!
That's funny story!
I always think about kicking the car when they squeeeeeze me from MY lane!! This is girls' thing?!
I am ok with kicking a car or knocking a car to let them know I am HERE!!! (But I don't...) If I do, I know I will lose a control!! Both ways, I will fall down. LOL
~*Brat*~
Quote from: johnI am aware that I am one irate @$$hole.
Ah awareness.
Quotejohn wrote:
I am aware that I am one irate @$$hole.
(http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/images/smilies/motz2.gif)hmmmm, he finally admits....(http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/images/smilies/3dbiggrin3.gif)
Depends on how i feel that day...
Good day - Realize, they aren't trying to run you over intentionally.
Outcome - Change lanes, everyone wins.
Bad day - Realize, they aren't trying to run you over intentionally.
Outcome - Change lanes, slide under car in next lane or eat a section of guard rail (I prefer tree).
Great day - Realize, the aren't trying to run you over intentionally.
Outcome - Kick the hell out of the door and then wave hello. Unless you KNOW you have an OPEN lane to quickly dart into.
Randall
No judge would fault you for simply "Putting your leg out so you didn't get run over".
Good Luck
On the way to the beach the other day, a car passed me in MY LANE!
:guns:
I was goin a little faster the trafic (~3mph faster) in the left most lane, and keeping on the left side of it (away from all others) The car behind me, passed on the right part of MY lane... about one foot away from my handle bar.
Needless to say I was pissed, but I couldn't catch up to the acura something (GS can't accelerate for crap above 60mph... Even when in 4th)
Reflecting on it, I guess it's good that I couldn't catch up...I can get very...what's the word I'm looking for...tarantinoish :mrgreen:
I understand the frustration, but do try to follow the "Right of Weight Rule"
(no one argues with an 18 wheeler... I could be wrong :dunno: ?)
Cheers,
-Denis S.
Quote from: dsmirnov83On the way to the beach the other day, a car passed me in MY LANE!
:guns:
I was goin a little faster the trafic (~3mph faster) in the left most lane, and keeping on the left side of it (away from all others) The car behind me, passed on the right part of MY lane... about one foot away from my handle bar.
Needless to say I was pissed, but I couldn't catch up to the acura something (GS can't accelerate for crap above 60mph... Even when in 4th)
Reflecting on it, I guess it's good that I couldn't catch up...I can get very...what's the word I'm looking for...tarantinoish :mrgreen:
I understand the frustration, but do try to follow the "Right of Weight Rule"
(no one argues with an 18 wheeler... I could be wrong :dunno: ?)
Cheers,
-Denis S.
In that situation, I like to keep my bike to the right hand side of the lane. Keep to the right in the left lane, keep to the left in the right lane... I don't know if that is correct, but I figure, even though it limits the free space I have for reacting, it would keep events like that happening in the first place.
Let's say you are hanging out between two big SUVs and you are on the outside part of your lane. Cars in the other lane might see a nice space and won't be able to see your bike in it. And it keeps drivers from intentionally using your lane to pass. I've had drivers pull that crap on me before, that's gotta be the most infuriating thing. Driver can be blind, okay. Driver can be sneaky, well that sucks. But when a driver disregards you on your bike and totally abuses your right to be on the road :x
QuoteThe car behind me, passed on the right part of MY lane... about one foot away from my handle bar.
YUP! only i didnt let them go, i didnt have to chase hard, cars dont fit through spaces like bikes do. and when traffic built to where they couldnt get away, i rode up and slamed my hand down grabing mirror, see, they are designed for running into somethingand folding, but not for Downward smashes, or boots as you roll by. im very proud of my 3 mirrors. one day i shall take a picture of them on a chain around my neck.
so I was at work today, bored of course, trying to think of something to do so i started reading topics on the board, and ran across this one. thinking about this later I decided to go for a ride, full gear reflective vest included across town and back..... cut off three times, two cars pulled out in front of me, and a mustang just decided to merge into my lane. the retard was on the phone with the music blaring didn't even bother to look just started to come over. this is where the story gets better... I hit the throttle lock grabbed his phone and tossed it in the air. you should have seen the look on his face, it was hilliarious. i was still about half pissed off when I got home so i threw the vest off grabbed my roommates mossberg slung it cross body over my back and went to the range. it was great nobody whould follow me. nobody whould drive next to me, nobody tried to pass me it was one of those great rides where you don't have to worry about cars at all. allthough I did get pulled over, the cop just wanted to know why I was riding around with a shot gun slung over my shoulder. because it's too big to stuff in my pocket with my wallet retard, I am going to the range. I was about 600 yards away, he didn't know it was there I guess. but he let me go. the lesson I learned was hallogen headlight+ orange reflective vest= target for cages, black shotty laying against a black jacket= 4000 pounds and 2 more wheels in the eyes of other drivers.
:x yep :x
BTW: since when is it allowed to cary weapons around without a safe??? :? I can't go practice with my 9mm withought having a special permit from the sherif and a little safe to hold the thing and all of the ammo. But, this is NJ... :dunno: ... I guess laws in NC are VERY different.
Oh well I love the idea though! :thumb:
Cheers,
-Denis S.
as far as i know, most states, you can transport (not the same as Carry) in a sealable container. I.E. zippered Pouch under your seat or in backpack. in a locked glovebox unloaded. or latching box on back rack. i use to transport my rifle/shotgun across my backseat wraped in sheets(didnt have cases) even in my car. never in my trunk though, it always leaked and didnt have a lock.
Man, that Mel fellow sounds like a real winner. Many of the other board members don't seem to be too inteligent either. That is one of the stupidest moves I've ever heard of. Some of those stories (the phone for example) sound a bit made up. Anyway, I'm appauled.
-Anti
k. i cant see how the lady thought she would have had the right of way but he shouldnt have kicked back. I would have looked for an escape route and used it.
I had an ejoyable ride last week riding the other bike.....it has a pair of Police issue horns which are louder - by far- than most cars. A blast will get the attention of a meandering car really fast. The fact that they are a manly baritone, rather than road runner beepers also helps.
You should see the cars jerk back to their own lane.
Avoidance rules, 1.5 tons of car will always win.
Has anybody doubled the horns on a GS?
Quote from: TravelerI had an ejoyable ride last week riding the other bike.....it has a pair of Police issue horns which are louder - by far- than most cars. A blast will get the attention of a meandering car really fast. The fact that they are a manly baritone, rather than road runner beepers also helps.
You should see the cars jerk back to their own lane.
Avoidance rules, 1.5 tons of car will always win.
Has anybody doubled the horns on a GS?
The louder the better, but hitting the horn and moving as much as reasonable to avoid a collision should be the first things to do. The driver's instinct will always be the same(unless they are trying to hit you), as a reflex, they will pull away from the direction of the noise, = problem solved. If not, well then kick 'em, or claim their mirror, above all avoid a crash.