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For Sale / For Trade / Wanted / Hot Deals / Re: Craigslist Finds
« Last post by e_cho93 on Today at 03:04:13 AM »
- Selling 1993 Suzuki GS500E -
Professionally cleaned and tuned carburetor
Regularly maintained (at least while I've had it)
Great runner and perfect starter bike that can still hustle!
Approx. 9500 miles on it, no internal problems - only small cosmetic damage.
Gas tank is has small dent on the left side would be the main one, and some paint chipping
on the back of the front fender - everything else is just useage wear, you know how it is.
Wheels and tires are still clean and solid, brakes have been done.
Just needs some TLC, only selling because I want to get a bigger bike.
Will include the Clymer manual (teardown & rebuild) with it.
If you want to test ride it please have your endorsement, and be cool with me
holding your license while you're on your ride. (just because I've hear horror stories
about jacked bikes) Sold as is, any questions shoot me a text.
General GS500 Discussion / Re: AJP Caliper seals ??
« Last post by Kookas on July 20, 2019, 09:13:51 PM »
Were any aftermarket seals ever found? I need to take my AJP rear caliper off so fancy giving it a rebuild, but again the kits all seem to be for the Tokico calipers.

Even the Tokico seals don't fit. Twice now I've bought seals that were supposedly for my exact bike that were just completely wrong - once front, once rear. I've pretty much resigned myself to needing to replace whole calipers when my existing seals kick the bucket. I'm not sure about the rear but I know the front right one off an SV650 is compatible (and of course has way more parts support, because if you buy another GS caliper, you'll just have to do the same again next time).
Tard Farm / Re: Last Post Wins - V3
« Last post by peteGS on July 20, 2019, 08:40:56 PM »
'Tis indeed quiet in here!!! Guess I'm winning  :icon_mrgreen: :woohoo: :cheers:

Oil leak on the Kat confirmed fixed... except now I have a new one as the left shock seal let go on our ride yesterday  :technical:

Oh well, Koni's are rebuildable although I did that already back in September 2015. Guess they've been sitting for nearly four years but I've only done about 1200 kms on them...
Odds n Ends / Re: Helmet help
« Last post by Watcher on July 20, 2019, 08:39:11 PM »
Odds n Ends / Re: Helmet help
« Last post by mr72 on July 20, 2019, 06:26:47 PM »
First ride with this helmet was home from the store, as noted. Probably 45 minutes in oppressive heat.

Since I got back from my business trip, I did a number of short trips and then this morning got up early and did a 2+ hour ride on country highways and backroads with speeds up to 70 and averaging about 55-60. It. Was. Windy. This was precisely the type of trip that was the worst with the Strada.

The result? I really love this helmet. The fit is still absolutely perfect. Cheek pads are breaking in nicely. This time without my bluetooth earbuds in I could hear the wind but it was very windy. I'd have to say it's not perfectly quiet by any means but I bet it's avg. 10dB quieter than the Strada. Also kept noticing how much wider the eyeport is. And I have become addicted to the drop-down visor, so handy to be able to put it up and down as the light conditions change like this morning where the sun was way behind the clouds and then peeked out time to time. No wind buffeting at any angle. Above 65mph I can feel the slightest hint of it trying to lift at the chin but it doesn't actually move like my Strada did. Also I got a couple of real hard bug strikes, guessing dragonflies, but somehow the helmet had no bugs on it when I got home. Crazy!

I do have one slight complaint, which may be something I can adjust or modify. The detents where the visor stops are not secure enough to keep it open if you are riding more than about 40 mph, the wind shuts it. The Strada in particular was much more firmly in its position, often annoyingly so. In fact the Strada had this protrusion on the visor that snapped into a matching hole in the helmet when it was closed that made it nearly impossible to get open while you were riding... I filed that off on that helmet.
It's quite a high mileage engine and the cam chain was stretched to its limit per the Haynes manual, hopefully not a waste of time to replace it then?
Why was the cam chain needing to be replaced ? I've never seen these cam chains go, except ofcourse when a lot of other crap was gone, like a bad rod bearing.
Projects / Builds, Racing and Tech / Suspension and Tail Tidy
« Last post by gingerninja9234 on July 20, 2019, 10:51:43 AM »
G,day lads and lasses. First time poster here.
Had my 2012 Gs500 for about a year now down in Queensland, Australia, and I'm looking to upgrade the front and rear suspension. Just wondering what you guys think are the best springs and shocks to fit the bike. Keep in mind, I'm about 110kg.

Also, looking to clean up the rear of the bike, so does anyone know what the legal consequence is of cutting the rear fender with a grinder?
Odds n Ends / Re: Difference between various motorcycle training programs?
« Last post by Watcher on July 20, 2019, 06:53:31 AM »
Maybe its just me, or maybe its just a product of the GS's ergos, but I find it much more difficult to shift my upper body in the way you describe while also keeping my knees on the tank. I can do it, but my core feels a little... twisted? (its hard to describe the feeling lol).

I wanted to articulate in more detail what the technique should be, and I actually thought of a great way to explain the position.  You should "dab".  :laugh: 
No, seriously!  If you attempt to "dab" while on the bike you'll be replicating the correct body position.  Though, obviously, keep your head up so you can see where it is you're going.

In all seriousness, I found an awesome picture of this.  I was hoping this rider wouldn't have his knee out, but it's a great representation of the upper body none the less.

Notice how his chest is facing the apex of the turn, and he is leaned gently forward.  The rider appears to be relaxed with his shoulders in a naturally low position, achieved by dropping that inside elbow.  If it helps to get that elbow down, you can think of slightly modifying your grip to hold the bars "like a screwdriver."  It should be comfortable and feel natural.  It's a gentle angle, more forward than down or off to the side, but of course the further you go the more it will progress into turning the hips as well as moving off the seat and eventually into a full hang off.
How far you can lean before requiring some movement in the hips may simply depend on your own personal physiology.  For me, it seems like I can put my chin over the edge of my gas tank before I need to adjust my seating.

I'm also in an approximation of this position in my current avatar, said as such since I'm nowhere near as aggressively leaned.  I've posted the full size, uncropped photo below.
For perspective, the camera is mounted as close to dead center on the bike as I could eyeball it, and the photo is unedited.  I'm turned slightly away from the camera (into the turn), my outside arm is slightly extended, and my inside elbow is slightly dropped.

The source of that photo is here, if you care to watch.  Nothing about the video is spectacular, especially not my technique, but it was interesting enough at the time for me to upload it.
I always meant to remake it with better planning for lighting and a better viewing angle, not to mention more purpose to my riding, perhaps this discussion is enough of an incentive for me to explore it again.

Anyway, this is all in stark contrast to the following image.

This rider is practically facing out of the turn.  His chest is still in line with the motorcycle and his lean is a side-to-side type of flex, as if you stood in a T-pose and tried to touch your right hand to your right knee by only bending at the waist.  That's not a particularly comfortable way to bend.  He also has his shoulders really tilted.  He didn't drop that inside elbow down, rather it seems he raised his outside shoulder up.  That looks all kinds of uncomfortable.

Interestingly enough, that image came from a RideApart article about the benefits of body position.  You'd think they'd at least demonstrate it appropriately.
The first image comes by way of a website called LifeAtLean, which seems to be all about track day and sport riding.

And as a matter of clarification, I'm not saying that you need to be like, MotoGP-style, full hang off, close to dragging knees/elbows all the time, I'm just talking about moving your upper body as you describe, but also shifting your lower body into a "sportier" position, so to speak.

Gotcha, maybe I expected too much and defended as such.

I didn't mean to imply that novice riders should immediately be taught full-on sport style body position from the start. My point is just that "knees on the tank" isn't really the goal, is it? The rider learning to support themselves with their lower body/core is the goal. And, IMO, that should be the focus of the instruction rather than "knees on the tank" without any further context. I would rather emphasize the actual goal of the advice, rather than focusing on the literal advice itself, if that makes any sense lol.

Well, it's kinda two-fold.  You do want to emphasize support from the lower body, including the legs, but you also want to make it so that, for the students, the motorcycle behaves in a predictable manner and they gain some confidence and trust in the machine.  This comes from a simple concept, being connected to the bike.
We can both agree that any sort of change in body position affects the dynamics of the bike and changes both the angle of lean and the effectiveness of any steering input.  New riders have a tendency to put their knees out while the motorcycle is leaning into a turn, I guess it's reflexive if they feel off balance, and when that happens mid turn they inadvertently change the bike's cornering behavior, which in turn causes them to feel uncomfortable.  Then they tend grip the bars tighter, which makes the bike feel heavy and unwilling to turn.  Then they start running wide and when that happens they tend to slow down mid corner, which stands them up even more, which makes them run wider.
It's crazy how common that chain is, and we have a hand gesture specifically to suggest knees against the tank so we can coach the rider without having to stop the exercise.  Once they get that stability, they start making the turns, they start picking their speed up, they start having more fun, that confidence starts growing.

And it's not just in a bad way at curve speed.  If "knees against the tank" isn't drilled into their muscle memory early on, it's damn near catastrophic when it comes to low speed.  Ironically, trying to balance the bike with your knees causes it to become more unstable.  Trying to u-turn with your knees flailing around causing the bike to become wobbly, it's a sore sight and a nervous rider, and it all starts from the beginning and the concept of being connected to the bike.

Once a rider is confident I have no issue talking to them about body position, but until then I need those knees against the tank!

It's natural for the knee to leave the tank if you're moving a buttcheek off, as keeping the knee on the tank would turn your hips awkwardly.

Maybe its just a matter of how I worded what I said, because it feels like you just described the same "twisted" feeling I was talking about earlier.

Yeah, that seems to be the case.
In a way trying to keep your knees on the tank while also trying to hang off would lead to a sort of "crossed up" body position where you aren't leading the bike with your body so much as holding onto the side of the bike as it leans over.  Definitely not ideal, nor comfortable.  Look up Mick Doohan for a quite spectacular demonstration of "crossed up" riding, it's amazing he was as successful as he was riding like that.

Actually, on the topic of "crossed up", I did notice something while scrolling through photos.  Almost invariably it seems a "crossed up" rider has their head and shoulders still centered with the motorcycle while their lower body is hanging off the side of the bike.
Hopefully I'm not fabricating a connection here, but it seems to me that getting comfortable putting your upper body in the correct position before attempting to shift your derriere into hang off position would naturally lead to proper form, and this would support the "knees against the tank" instruction.  Once you have the right orientation, you can begin to lower yourself down further into the turn by hanging off the seat.
Yeah, just take it to the garage that did the work and let them sort it out.
I was thinking the noise was the cam chain slapping somewhere in the engine, not the valves hitting the piston.
I set the timing wrong once and bent the exhaust valves. The fix is to simply replace the valves. I didn't want to do that, so I just replaced the entire top end with a known good one. A decent shop should have no problem replacing the valves. While they are there it would be a good idea to replace the valve seals since its a high mileage engine.
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