wheelies

[denman]

do it dirtbike style,stand on the front pags and when you dump the clutch force your weight down on the back wheel.    it has worked for me the last 34 years.   and yes i have replaced back fenders tail lights and other broken parts.   that's why i take good care of my gs and not misstreat it. have fun out there.

[Ed_in_Az]

do it dirtbike style,stand on the front pags and when you dump the clutch force your weight down on the back wheel.

If you have to "dump the clutch" to pull a wheelie, and you just have to pull a wheelie, then dump the bike instead and get a more powerful bike that will pull the front end up by the use of THROTTLE ALONE. It's so much more satisfying, controllable, and less harmful to the machine. If you can't handle a more powerful machine, you probably shouldn't be doing wheelies anyway.

I do realize none of you are my kids and if you want to break your toys, the money to fix them doesn't come out of my pocket. This was only a vote for common sense. You may all now return to debating the proper way to trash a GS500.

[Jundie]

awesome Jundie  

yeah, thats awesome, is it all stock? she must also weight like 90 pounds.

i looked up her explanation and its all stock...
she gives some pretty good advice, but im too lazy right now to translate is from dutch

[john]

The only way I could wheelie the GS was to fan the clutch in first gear.  If I remember I would cruise in 1st at about 4500 rpm and fan/dip whatever the clutch and throttle it way up and up the front goes.

Remember that learning to wheelie means you may very well crash and hurt yourself and your bike.  Make sure it's worth it before you attempt.

[94suzuki500]

How do you post videos?  I am wondering cause I am planning on getting some footage this weekend of me on my bike and putting it on here.

[Blueknyt]

I DON'T GET WHY EVERYONE IS SAYIN GET A BETTER BIKE SO U CAN DO WHEELIES. IF U CAN DRIVE U CAN DO A WHEELIE ON ANYTHING. MY BUDDY USED TO RIDE THE HONDA 50'S AROUND THE SHOP ON ONE WHEEL. ANDOTHER DID A 12 O CLOCK STOPPIE ON AN 80 AND HE IS OVER 200LBS. ME I HAVEN'T LEARNED HOW TO GET IT UP ALL THAT GOOD BUT I MEAN ALL U NEED TO DO IS PRACTICE. ALSO SOMEONE EARLIER ON SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT BIKE YOU USE, " IT IS GOING TO GET EXPENSIVE NO MATTER WHAT BIKE YOU USE. i AM STILL TRYIN TO DO WHEELIES ON MY 04, I GOT A 42 TOOTH REAR GETTING MADE FOR ME AND WITH A 15T FRONT. I AM PLANNING ON BUYING MY FRIENDS DADS 91 500E AND GETTIN MAYE A 72 OR SOMEWHERE IN THE 60'S SPROCKET.

 Sigh!


YOU CAN WHEELIE DAMN NEAR ANYTHING. ( echo echo )

but yes, lets use those 50's and 80's from that prev example,  look at the placement of weight, NOT TOTAL WEIGHT.  wheelie on 50's and 80's are super simple as all the weight transfers to over the rear axle very early in the wheelie process.  ok, better yet,  why is it a little 16" BMX bike is easyer to wheelie Vs a beach cruiser?  is it the power? gearing?  the single bigest factor deciding factor is the placement of weight.  the shorter wheel base and the fact the major portion of weight is transfered to over the rear wheel with relative ease makes it easy to lift the front up and hold it up with very little power.

as you seen in those Videos, she has some skill to hold it up, but the engine doesnt really have the power to just motor the front up without popping the clutch. If you drop the gearing to be able to use just engine power to bring it up, you tach out, redline, or run outa power very quickly, now being as she is popping the clutch to get the front up, your using Crankshaft momentum to Snatch the front wheel up, thats a sudden shock to the ENTIRE driveline which hurts. the GS frame is also setup where the major part of the weight on the bike is toward the front making the engine having to work harder.  and even with skill, you need to have alittle HP left to fight gravity a little to set the front end down soft, face it, the GS redlines at 11k, but really doesnt make usable power much above 9k. 2k worth of rpm left till redline that doesnt make a lot of power isnt much use with the front wheel in air. soooo that front end is coming down harder then you really want too,This was shown in the video to.

With a Bike that has a Fair amount of HP, the engine doesnt work as hard to do the job, you can gear it to motor up without clutching which is much nicer to the entire driveline (pistons to cushdrive) as its not hammering everything, and your likly to have a few ponies left to set the front end back down a bit softer then just letting it drop, this too saves on front end parts.  


So for the benefit of those just tuning in and a repeat. the GS can wheelie yet is very impractical and costly,  Useing sport bikes with HP and Dirt/Dualsport bikes are the better choice for both power and design and isnt as Taxing on the bike as a whole.  

Whos next to attempt to change known physics and time proven facts on this WELL worn out subject?

[Mat]

I AM PLANNING ON BUYING MY FRIENDS DADS 91 500E AND GETTIN MAYE A 72 OR SOMEWHERE IN THE 60'S SPROCKET.

i wouldn't go that high

when you get to the larger sprockets like mine the chain will start to rub on stuff like the sprocket cover and the centerstand feet (i also have a gsxr shock on my bike so that doesn't help the rubbing)

i have a 48 on mine and it just barely rubs the sprocket cover and i had to grind a little off the foot of the centerstand

and for the record i top out at an indicated 110 (6th gear redline) on my bike with that rear sprocket

and for me to do wheelies i just slip the clutch 2 grand


but if you want to do it go for it

i just want to know the results

[Jake D]

I love this thread.  It is like watching parents yell at their kids for jumping on the bed and the kids keep right on jumping!  

But, IMHO, if you are going to learn how to wheelie, learn on the GS!  Don't we always preach that it is a great beginner bike?  

Then when you get your R1 next summer, wheelies will seem easy.  

To be honest, I don't have the balls for this wheelie business.  Maybe later this summer.   But I suck as a rider, so. . .

[gs500freak]

HEY MAT, THANKS FOR THE INFO, I MIGHT SEE ABOUT THAT SIZE THEN WHEN I GET THE OTHER 500 THIS SUMMER. I JUST ORDERED A 42 FOR MY 04, AND I HAVE A 15T FRONT RIGHT NOW. I AM TRYING TO GET SOME FRAME SLIDERS TO FIT ON THE 500 NOW. IF IT WOULD QUIT RAININ HERE IN HOUSTON. CUZ I KNOW I AM GOIN TO NEED THEM, I BEEN TRYIN TO DO SOME STUNTS ON THE 500. LIKE I KNOW IT HAS NOTHING ON TORQUE AND H.P. THEN THE GSXR OR OTHERS. BUT I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE IF U KNOW HOW TO RIDE. I FINALLY GOT THE STOPPIES DOWN AND SUPERMANS AND OTHERS. I MEAN THIS PAST WEEKEND I WAS SHOWING OFF IN FRONT OF SOME GUYS I WENT TO SCHOOL W/, AND THEY LOOKED AT ME LIKE HOW IS THE ONE OUT HERE WITH THE SMALLEST BIKE DOIN SOME SHYT LIKE THIS. I MEAN A GUY HAD A NEW NINJA 600 WAS DOIN A BURNOUT I DID A BIG STOPPIE NEXT TO HIM AND STARTED TO DO A BURN OUT BUT I DID A 180 AND TOOK OF STILL SPINNIN TIRES AWAY FROM HIM EVERYONE MOVED AND THOUGHT I WAS GOIN TO EAT MY SHYT. SO I STOPPED AND LOOKED AROUND AND SHOOK MY HEAD AND DID A WHEELIE. BUT GO GS500 THEY ARE ALSO FUN TO HAVE I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE BIKE NOW SINCE ME LAST WRECK ON IT. BUT I GUESS I HEAR WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYIN SO DON'T THINK I AM SOME LIL PUNK ASS KID JUST WANTIN TO DO STUNTS. I KNOW FROM SOME OF MY FRIENDS THAT ARE OLDER. I KNOW I NEED TO LEARN TO RIDE BEFORE I START DOING SOME OF THE CRAZIER STUFF.

[stefman722]

Is it just me or does typing in CAPS hurt your eyes when you try to read it.

[davipu]

yep, it sure does. but maybe the crappy english has something to do with it.

[94suzuki500]

gs500freak
great to here your having a good time on your gs.  I have wheelies down but I still got to work on stoppies abit.  how big is the rear sprocket on a gs stock?  congratualtions on your stunting.  Peace

[Daniely]

do it dirtbike style,stand on the front pags and when you dump the clutch force your weight down on the back wheel.

If you have to "dump the clutch" to pull a wheelie, and you just have to pull a wheelie, then dump the bike instead and get a more powerful bike that will pull the front end up by the use of THROTTLE ALONE. It's so much more satisfying, controllable, and less harmful to the machine. If you can't handle a more powerful machine, you probably shouldn't be doing wheelies anyway.

I do realize none of you are my kids and if you want to break your toys, the money to fix them doesn't come out of my pocket. This was only a vote for common sense. You may all now return to debating the proper way to trash a GS500.

Actually, have you have ever tried a wheelie, clutching is MUCH safer than a power wheelies. Yes, they are a little hard on the clutch, but so are all sorts of things. I can do them clutching on my CBR all day long no problem now, but i will NEVER power one up, eventually you will build more speed, i take pride in being able to do slow wheelies on my bike near the balancing point rather than squidly power wheelies (i know thats a bad remark, and kinda contradictory since I do wheelies on my CBR, but eh). Power wheelies are frankly scary, clutching, sure its bad on the clutch, but its MUCH safer (how safe can you be doin a wheelie anyways eh? lol).

Anyways, my 2 cents, get rolling, maybe 5 mph. Pull the clutch in and rev to say 7 maybe 6 and bounce a tad to preload the forks and dump it. You may not bring it up, but its certainly good practice, and will get you comfortable with the jerky motion of the bike catching and trying to pull up.

Sorry if my post offended anyone .

[gs500freak]

94suzuki500 hey thanks dude. hey quick question for everyone on here why is it that some of u always hatin on how i type. is it that u are that anal and worried on how it's spelled out. i mean damn i type a certain way but i thinks it's cuz i am younger and from another type of generation that u are used to. i'm not an old kat like sum. Anyways hey dude i did a stoppie earlier, man i got it to bout 10 almost 11 o clock. i am tryin to get the wheelie part down but i am not sure to gas it or clutch it it is harder clutchin but i will get it. i used to gassing it but not sure since i lost it and wrecked. i am trying to get an older one i can pick up for $200. so that way i can f%$k up the $200 not the new $6000 one i got. i am thinking bout putting some clip-ons, and getting some custom dog bones made at this shop near my house. first i am goin to get it painted first then get my lowering parts and if i can find someone to put on my gsxr can. but to everyone else that is out there and has been giving good vibes peace out guys. keep on riding and be safe guys, i don't wanna here about someone falling like one guys dad i think it was. i said a prayer for him hopefully he is gettin better.

[davipu]

the typing thing, because it is a pain in the ass to read.  because it shows your lack of understanding of the english language.  because we have a international base of people here by not typing in decient english some people won't be able to understand you.  because it is retarded.   but hey that's my two cents.

[Mat]

how big is the rear sprocket on a gs stock?

39 teeth

[cummuterguy]

94suzuki500 hey thanks dude. hey quick question for everyone on here why is it that some of u always hatin on how i type. is it that u are that anal and worried on how it's spelled out. i mean damn i type a certain way but i thinks it's cuz i am younger and from another type of generation that u are used to. i'm not an old kat like sum. Anyways hey dude i did a stoppie earlier, man i got it to bout 10 almost 11 o clock. i am tryin to get the wheelie part down but i am not sure to gas it or clutch it it is harder clutchin but i will get it. i used to gassing it but not sure since i lost it and wrecked. i am trying to get an older one i can pick up for $200. so that way i can f%$k up the $200 not the new $6000 one i got. i am thinking bout putting some clip-ons, and getting some custom dog bones made at this shop near my house. first i am goin to get it painted first then get my lowering parts and if i can find someone to put on my gsxr can. but to everyone else that is out there and has been giving good vibes peace out guys. keep on riding and be safe guys, i don't wanna here about someone falling like one guys dad i think it was. i said a prayer for him hopefully he is gettin better.

94suzuki500 hey thanks dude.

hey quick question for everyone on here, why is it that some of u always hatin on how i type.
is it that u are that anal and worried on how it's spelled out.
i mean damn i type a certain way but i thinks it's cuz i am younger and from another type of generation that u are used to.

i'm not an old kat like sum.

Anyways hey dude i did a stoppie earlier, man i got it to bout 10 almost 11 o clock. i am tryin to get the wheelie part down but i am not sure to gas it or clutch it it is harder clutchin but i will get it.
i used to gassing it but not sure since i lost it and wrecked.

i am trying to get an older one i can pick up for $200. so that way i can f%$k up the $200 not the new $6000 one i got.

i am thinking bout putting some clip-ons, and getting some custom dog bones made at this shop near my house. first i am goin to get it painted first then get my lowering parts and if i can find someone to put on my gsxr can.

but to everyone else that is out there and has been giving good vibes peace out guys. keep on riding and be safe guys, i don't wanna here about someone falling like one guys dad i think it was. i said a prayer for him hopefully he is gettin better.

now, which is easier to read?

[94suzuki500]

davipu and commuter guy why does it matter about the way he types?  it really doesnt, many other people type the same way but arent dogged on.  Anyways, commuterguy, look at your self, your balding.

[94suzuki500]

gsfreak
I dont know if I would put clipons on the bike you want to wheelie.  Cause it is harder to wheelie that way, you might want to keep the stock or put mx bars on to learn and once you get it down then put clipons on the bike.  I had drag bars on the switched to mx and its alot easier.   but what ever you want I dont really think it will take to much longer to get it down.  Good luck with wheelies and make sure you cover your rear brake.  Oh ya, thanks mat for the info on the sprocket.  Peace.

[davipu]

what I missed someone? dammit