Anyone want a 90 GS?

[Mayoke]

I think I live maybe 5 or 10 min's from you.  If you want bring the bike over, I never worked on a pre 04 but it can't be that different.  Also I know these are good but they may be better than what you have.  I have factory springs with spacers sitting here if you want them to replace yours.  They came out of a 05.

Let me know

Dave

Dave, that would be AWESOME!
I know so little and I have no book and I have no space.

I live in Norcross at 85 & Jimmy Carter.
I'm a little low on funds right now but could buy you dinner or something. (Stupid 2 week pay periods)

I'll gladly accept any help.

[Mayoke]

Rode the bike to work this morning out of sheer determination and the hope that maybe if comething was "stuck" it would unstuck. (Can't blame me for trying the whole optimism thing.)

Anyway, same as usual except now I also get lovely little puffs of black smoke.
The thing was pig rich when I got it and it is apparently just getting worse.
Still the same, won't idle unless you play with the choke and then blip the throttle about 10-15 times and then you get an idle anywhere from 2000-3200.
Lots and lots of surging.

Of course, the only thing I had done was replace the plugs with what was in it before. Champion RA6HC.
As interesting an idea of the resistors being bad is, I really think it's just jetted WAAAY off.

Finally got to work and was parking.
Idle was at about 1800 after fiddling a ton and I put the kickstand out and leaned her over.
Idle rose to about 4000.
Pull the bike up center, back down to 1800.
On kickstand again, 3500.
Is that normal?
I swear I've NEVER seen a bike do that and I KNOW my other GS didn't.

This thing needs help.

I also noticed that the bolt in the exhaust hanger is backing itself out.
Look down, no nut on it.
BRILLIANT!
Just one more thing to get.

Oh yeah, before I forget.
The bike also didn't have the little metal spring clip that holds the bulb in the reflector.
Anyone have a spare or do you think I could get one from a "stealership?"

Yeah, I got a winner.

[ssinema]

I had a 92 GSX600F that did the same thing with the idle on the stand. I figured out that it was snagged in the mess under the tank, and once freed and re-routed, the idle fluctuations stopped. that bike got so bad I couldn't start it on the side stand without idling up to about 7K. Id say check when your cable is run through for the culprit of that problem.

[Mayoke]

I had a 92 GSX600F that did the same thing with the idle on the stand. I figured out that it was snagged in the mess under the tank, and once freed and re-routed, the idle fluctuations stopped. that bike got so bad I couldn't start it on the side stand without idling up to about 7K. Id say check when your cable is run through for the culprit of that problem.

I'll look into that too.
Hopefully, I have some local help and maybe we can get the poor thing running right.
Thanks for the tip.

[blue05twin]

  I'm not the best but I will try to help I'll pm you my addy.

[Mayoke]

I'm not the best but I will try to help I'll pm you my addy.

I appreciate it.

[The Buddha]

Side stand vs center stand is probably somehting with float level and fuel flow.
The steering turning left (happens when on side stand) vs steering straight = cable hanging up, typically choke cable.
I asked you to check choke bar on the carb a few days ago. I think choke is getting held open, and the steering plays a part in that.

The exhaust hangar bolt, must have lost its nut. Certain bikes somehow loosen some bolts, no idea why. I have a 96 that my friend owns that loosens the tach cable. Even when tightened with pliers, it will loosen it. My old 89 used to shake the tail and lose tail light bulbs so bad. It also used to lose the exhaust nut thinking of it. I got it that way actually. Get a nylock nut. Maybe get like 3/8th dia fine thread, nylock.

Carbs are either float - still has my $$$ and in fact, getting worse definetly is float IMHO, and stuck need not neccesarily get unstuck with use, or choke.
BTW, check float level with U tube method. If floats are stuck, it will show there.

Oh ... the spark plugs in it were new. if you have the old ones, why dont you swap them back in and try. I have had some serious bad luck with NGK's, but you put the 809 champions back in, anyway, try swapping the ones I had back in.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

Side stand vs center stand is probably somehting with float level and fuel flow.
The steering turning left (happens when on side stand) vs steering straight = cable hanging up, typically choke cable.
I asked you to check choke bar on the carb a few days ago. I think choke is getting held open, and the steering plays a part in that.

The exhaust hangar bolt, must have lost its nut. Certain bikes somehow loosen some bolts, no idea why. I have a 96 that my friend owns that loosens the tach cable. Even when tightened with pliers, it will loosen it. My old 89 used to shake the tail and lose tail light bulbs so bad. It also used to lose the exhaust nut thinking of it. I got it that way actually. Get a nylock nut. Maybe get like 3/8th dia fine thread, nylock.

Carbs are either float - still has my $$$ and in fact, getting worse definetly is float IMHO, and stuck need not neccesarily get unstuck with use, or choke.
BTW, check float level with U tube method. If floats are stuck, it will show there.

Oh ... the spark plugs in it were new. if you have the old ones, why dont you swap them back in and try. I have had some serious bad luck with NGK's, but you put the 809 champions back in, anyway, try swapping the ones I had back in.
Cool.
Srinath.

I can't put the plugs that were in it back in.
They are so fouled I don't see how they were firing in the first place.
I mean they were SO CAKED UP that there was barely gap left.
They are SOLID BLACK.
That's how rich the damn engine is running.

I put new RA6HC (the same ones that you had in the bike) in last night. I bet if I pull them, they're already fouled to hell too.

In the short run I had when you delivered it, I thought it was running rich but thought it was just me and not having ridden a bike in a while.
Hindsight is always 20-20 they say.
It smelled like a gas station when it ran then and smells like a gas station when it runs now.

Hopefully gonna get it taken care of tonight or soon.


On the center stand, with the choke pushed all the way, it doesn't close fully.
I didn't check it with the steering turned.
I'm not that mechanically inclined and never worked on motorcycles.
That's why I was looking for a bike that didn't need to be tinkered with.

[The Buddha]

On the center stand, with the choke pushed all the way, it doesn't close fully.

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Problem. My bet - the cable is kinked or the cable end at the carb is out of its seat.

The bike did not smell like gas - your house would hahve smelt and I'd never have left it like that. I know from experience loading on the back of a truck and running it 250 miles, it can cause things to come loose.
Carbon fouled plugs can be cleaned, and in fact that works better on plugs. I still suggest you clean and refit the old plugs (pretty new anyway not old).
Trust me, you have a iffy plug and you tear the bike open trying to fix it and its still bad, and you find out its the plugs - you are going to feel stupid.
True story. Me and Ginovega did this exact same thing ~3 years ago and it took us 1 week to figure it out. Then on day 7 he mentioned that all he did was swap plugs after I left his house and I think, well maybe I should try a different plug, and I put 809 champions and the bloody thing ran like it was a race horse.
The quality of plugs and additives in fuels have somehow conspired to turn the act of swapping spark plugs into russian roulette.
Old plugs back in after a tooth brush clean. That will tell you. BTW bad plugs can make your ignition trigger mechanism short out and die. My virago 535 did that. Pretty much the damn yamaha's all get new plugs every 3 months of use.
NGK's turned to sheite IMHO, who knows Champions are next BTW, they are all made in the same damn factory in Mooresville NC.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

Three cheers for DAVE! (blue05twin)

We got the bike running and idling.
The floats were not stuck.
When he dropped the bowls, there was a LOT of rust particle in there so we (he actually as he did like everything) figured it was a clogged jet.
Sprayed carb cleaner in there.
Dumped a little seafoam in the tank and after a little swearing, the bike fired up.

Amazingly enough, it even idled well.
Probably still a bit rich but at least it's smooth and running.

The tank has some good rust in the bottom so I'm told to get "415" and gonna treat it in a week or so.

Thanks again Dave for staying up late and helping a desperate guy try to work out of a bad situation. 

[blue05twin]

Here's a link to it.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=8364.0

POR-15 sorry my por must have sounded like a 4 

Anytime and let me know when you want to do the front springs thats a lot faster and easier

[The Buddha]

OK stop ... that tank did not have rust ...
You may have gotten it from the gas you filled.
How about you send me that tank if needed, I'll POR it free if needed, or I'll send you a quart can of it free. However I am betting it was transient rust, not resident rust.
Put a fuel filter first. Well slosh it like crazy and dump the fuel ... then get fresh new gas, and fit a filter.
Anyway, how did rust make it and smell like gas
I can see how it clogged jets and messed up the running. Acting rich and smelling like gas ... nope.
And, congrads to both of you.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

Here's a link to it.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=8364.0

POR-15 sorry my por must have sounded like a 4 

Anytime and let me know when you want to do the front springs thats a lot faster and easier

I have crappy hearing. You probably said it right and my head translated it to "4." 

[Mayoke]

OK stop ... that tank did not have rust ...
You may have gotten it from the gas you filled.
How about you send me that tank if needed, I'll POR it free if needed, or I'll send you a quart can of it free. However I am betting it was transient rust, not resident rust.
Put a fuel filter first. Well slosh it like crazy and dump the fuel ... then get fresh new gas, and fit a filter.
Anyway, how did rust make it and smell like gas
I can see how it clogged jets and messed up the running. Acting rich and smelling like gas ... nope.
And, congrads to both of you.
Cool.
Srinath.

No clue but you can ask Dave how fouled the plugs were that I pulled.
That rust isn't "transient" either. Upon closer inspection, it's all over the bottom of the tank.

I'm gonna "por" it and put a fuel filter on it.
Then I'm probably going to sell it.

[The Buddha]

OK here is my thought on this.
Fouled plugs and smelling of gas and poor gas mileage etc are indicative of a super rich condition, as is black smoke and what not.
Clogged pilots will not cause that. They will cause lean condition.
Rust in tank will clog pilots, but will make it lean not rich.
So, ride it and post back here what its doing. Somehow I dont think its fully solved yet.
I can treat your Tank with POR 15 if you want. I can also send you a can ... I dont have the cleaner and the acid, but I would use a little muriatic acid to do both cleaning and etching.
Anyway, the important thing ... tank has to be dry dry dry before you toss the POR-15 in it. And you will need gastank liner, not the usual POR-15.
I have another idea ... come over to my house with the tank and carbs. I'll treat the tank and look over the carbs - 3 hours and you can get back on the road. For good measure, bring the petcocks too. I got some serious crap to coat the tank, block off plates for the top, block off's for the petcock, and all the needed chemicals and what not and no ... you cannot do any of this indoors, POR-15 is loaded with lead. You definetly dont want that crap anywhere near you when its not dry and hard and cured. Also bring lots of rags and like plastic etc ... you dont want mishaps in your car, you'll be rotating the tank all the way back home, every 10-15 mins.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

Stopped by an auto parts place and got some stuff to eat the rust out the tank.

When I dumped the tank, I had enough crap to build a sand castle.
It was horrible.

Gonna treat the tank tonight and hope it does the trick.
(Got something that will remove the rust but nothing to coat the tank.)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go build a sand....errr....sediment/rust castle.


Hey Dave, I think I'll take you up on those springs.
I'm determined to get this bike actually running right and keeping it a bit.
I'm on a mission now.

[The Buddha]

Damn ... I had it for over 500 miles, and several people including average here rode it. When average rode it ... it idled at 1500 when cold and 2500 when hot. That was it. After that I re set the floats and re did the idle. Bowls were clean and those carbs were dirty outside and squeaky clean inside always whenever I opened it.
2 things may have happened - it was caked up with old gas turning into varnish and locking the crap in there, in the crap pockets and came loose with my trucking it and your subsequent riding. Or it came out of a gas station. With loose crap, it actually affects its running very immediately.
Now, you still rich and still smelling like gas
Cool.
Srinath.

[werase643]

is this the red GS that Diaz rode around for 20 odd min a couple of weeks ago?

[The Buddha]

Yes that's the one.
Cool.
Srinath.

[Mayoke]

I dunno man but it was seriously an awful lot of stuff came out and that was BEFORE I put this stuff in there to eat the rust out.
You know how big the cap is for Seafoam? It would have filled that cap at LEAST 3/4 with just the sediment that came out when I emptied the tank.
Not exaggerating, not making stuff up.
There's still crud all over the inside of the tank so I may have to give it a second treatment.
Whatever it takes, I'm gonna make this thing run.
Just wish I would have known this stuff before hand.
You say it wasn't like that but I'm telling you and blue05twin saw it firsthand too.
This thing was in some serious dire straights.

I'm just hopin to get it all straightened out and enjoy a motorcycle.