Shooting

[bubba zanetti]

Seeing that there hasn't been a shooting thread for a while, I thought I'd bring y'all up to date on my shooting.

At the beginning of September I travelled away with my BIL to the state titles, 1000km's travel to get to where they were being held. The weather was crap, with a constant wind that was moving the shot about a foot to the right. I managed to get 4th in the aggregate in my class so I was pretty happy with being 4th in the State.  My BIL defended his title and is the state champion. I also managed to shoot some PB's, my offhand was the best I had ever shot. I also managed a 4th in the flintlock shoot, which was surprising considering that I hadn't shot it in over 12 months and never really been successful at shooting it.

Then at our September club shoot, I shot bloody terrible, putting in a rifle target that looked like it had been shot with a shotgun.

Yesterday we had October shoot and it was a total turn around. I won the muzzleloading shotgun, for the first time. I got second in the rifle event with a score of 93 out of 100, 50yards, prone, with open sights. There was even a flintlock event which I'm still having some trouble with, only getting 9 scoring shots on the target, with a score of 66 from 100.

I've one more competition shoot in two weeks, then the years shooting is about over. I just need to get some practice in for next year and hopefully start picking a few medals. 

[bettingpython]

I excersised my right as an American to pick up a new toy this weekend at the gun show. Got me a used para p10 45 and a couple of AR-15 lower receivers.

Winter project time will be upon us soon. Got a subframe and cowl to do the tail swap on my wifes f4i, gonna do my custom carry work on the p10 and put together a couple of AR-15's. Thinking of doing one in a C/F bull barrel flat top for long range stuff. The other one is going to take a butt load of paperwork. 10.5" supressed tactical rifle. The ultimate home defense weapon.

[spc]

Nice!  Sounds like you have some fun coming up BP!

I got my CX4.  f%$king SMOOTH!!!  I've already thrown 1000 rounds downrange with it   For a handgun munition it is incredibly accurate.  I nailed a 'little green man' at about 300m  all but twice,

[jserio]

i'm actually of the impression that a good shotgun is the perfect home defense weapon. put a pistol grip on it. cut the barrel down as close as you can. you only need to aim in relative direction to an intruder. aim for the knees. 

[jserio]

oh, btw bubba, congrats and good luck with competitions.

[bubba zanetti]

We don't have guns down here for home defence.

But I do have a mag lite, one of the four 'D' battery ones. 

[pandy]

WoooHooo! Congrats on the good shooting, and g'luck on getting medals!!! 

[bettingpython]

Congratulations BTW bubba.

i'm actually of the impression that a good shotgun is the perfect home defense weapon. put a pistol grip on it. cut the barrel down as close as you can. you only need to aim in relative direction to an intruder. aim for the knees. 

Believe what you want. Studies of close range shootings have found otherwise, I am too lazy to bother with looking up the info but the minimum effective round for shot guns is 00 buck, not a lot of pattern. You are better served by a pistol or a short barrel rifle for CQB. Proponents of the birdshot load in shotguns are arguing that it does not have room to room penetration thus not endangering your family. Many instances of lightweight shot being used in home defense situations have lead to lawsuits by the intruder suing the homeowner for damages. If you enter my home your gonna die. My sons choice of bedrooms in house was decided based upon points of entry and lanes of fire.

Our state has a make my day law and recently adopted a make my stand law which enlarges the boundries of your invioable right to absolute safety outside of the home and into not just your vehicle but any public setting where you may be. It is currently being tested in the courts here and many of us are watching the upcoming developments closely.

[spc]

Georgia is coming along that path, heavily influenced by our southernly neighbors.  While, technically, it is within legal bounds to defend yourself with force up to and including lethal when threatened, you better be damn ready to defend your actions in court.  You also should be prepared to be handcuffed and processed until the situation can be sorted out.  That is the 'in public' scenario.   Recently the bounds of domicile defense have been extended to any private property.  ie.  lethal force is considered appropriate with no warning if you justifiably believe that either yourself, your family, or your property is in danger.  Previously, this was only applicable to the interior of your house.
But that's just georgia.

[bettingpython]

Yes you need to be fully prepared to defend your actions in court. We have a 67 year old man here who is legally licensed to carry a concealed weapon that shot and killed a drunk meth head 20 years younger thasn him who followed him in a road rage incident early in the summer. The DA has just decided to file charges in the last 2 weeks. Unfortunately his voluntary cooperation with officers may have hurt his case he should have asked to consult with a lawyer before speaking to the police. He is a subject of much discussion on a local shooters forum and in the news. I wish I would get selected for his Jury.

[Kasumi]

I think here in the UK we should be allowed to defend our homes and families with at least Tazer weapons. Its illegal to own a handgun here in the UK but i think you should be able to carry a tazer weapon or own one in the home to protect your family. Too many home owners here get sentenced for beating buglers with baseball bats, cricket bats, whatever they have. I think it is an ABSOLUTE f%$king OUTRAGE that someone who breaks into your home can come out of a court as a free man yet the man who defended his family got the sentence i mean WTF?

If i broke into someone's house i would be bloody prepared to be beaten to death before i went in because i shouldn't have f%$king been there in the first place.

The government and courts undjustly convict so many people for defending themselves from the real thugs that now people here in the UK are too frightened to stand up for ourselves. Even if you are attacked by a man in a pub and you beat the crap outta him in defence you will be the one in trouble because you hurt him more than he hurt you! Well thats f%&ked up because he just picked on someone much tougher than he thought and got the consequences. I dunno whether the government likes it like this, likes to keep us too scared of the reprocussions to try and defend ourselves so thearetically we look like a more peacfull nation.

[jserio]

BP, so you suggest i get a .44 magnum loaded with largest and heavyest ammo available to place on my nightstand?

[bettingpython]

BP, so you suggest i get a .44 magnum loaded with largest and heavyest ammo available to place on my nightstand?

I would not use a shotgun loaded with lightweight shot, nor would I aim for the knees. Ever heard the phrase a mans home is his castle?
Many states recognize the inviolable right to safety within your own home, when that is the case I fully believe in bringing to bear the maximum amount of firepower at my disposal. My home is my place of retreat just as a castle was, and if your gonna beard this lion you would be lucky to live.
You stated an intent to do malicious harm to an individual by aiming for the knee's that can be misconstrued by any good attorney and land you in a civil suit you will never see the financial bottom of. My intention is simple anyone bold enough to enter my home is a threat to me and my family and I wish to eliminate that threat and not ever have to worry about that person or persons again.

Your choice of wepons and training regiment should reflect ones desire to survive at alll costs, usage of half measures suggests that maybe you were not afraid and opens you up to serious reprecussions.

[spc]

You want to stop em dead in their tracks 100% of the time???  A .44 mag or LC will definitely do the trick.

[toyopete]

You want to stop em dead in their tracks 100% of the time???  A .44 mag or LC will definitely do the trick.

to all you shooters,
the caliber is of no importance, give me a .22 and Ime more dangerous than most cops with a .38 or .45 actually I spoke to some cops and they admitted the shoot like crap with there .45's
unfortunately laws on arms owners are getting impossible here, wich is all in favor of the criminals who can and will carry whatever,..

( my favorite would be a Glock  25 in 380cal. )

[spc]

EVERY factor is of importance in shooting.  In a CQC confrontation where aim is not as vital a factor, caliber can be a very decisive factor in your survival.   Shoot a crackhead in the chest with a .22 and see what happens.   While the .45 is not the most accurate overral, it does have incredible stopping power at close range.  Most of the cops here carry a 'backup' firearms on the ankle, generally of the kel-tec variety.   This is an incredibly light and accurate .380, but it will not have the power of the primary weapon.
Never, ever, f%$king discount any factor in shooting.   The terrain you are standing on can be a vital factor.

[jimbo1]

While the .45 is not the most accurate overral

That is my most accurate pistol.

[bettingpython]

While the .45 is not the most accurate overral

That is my most accurate pistol.

Love the .45ACP

My Colt officers series 80 was the dogs bollocks. It would feed any ammo of any type mix out of the mags and not even bobble in the slightest.

Out in the garage earlier digging up my smithing tools, cant wait to dig into the P10.

Wilsons beaver tail grip safety, commander hammer, trijicon night sights, 1 piece tungsten guide rod, extended slide release ambidextrous extended safety, re-ramp and polish feed ramp, mildly throat the chamber flared ejection port. Suprisingly the slide doesn't need tightened and lapped to the frame it's got a fantastic fit already. Since this is going to be a carry weapon I will probably not do much with the trigger group since it feels really clean and crisp and breaks at 3 1/2 poonds already. Melt down all the sharp edges and give it a nice new k-kote finish

[spc]

With an experienced operator the .45 can be incredibly accurate.  However with an inexperienced operator, it has a tendancy to pull.  My most accurate pistol is my Makarov bore 9mm FEG PA-63, trying to find ammo sucks though.

[yamahonkawazuki]

i want this. a friend of mine just bought one  http://www.biggerhammer.net/barrett/   . BUT the cost is HIGH. ill have to settle for an ar50