SCOTUS actually making logical and constitutionally-based decisions???!?!?!?!?!?

[yamahonkawazuki]

Or with the proper tools and a bit of time and a nice lil workshop space, i can make my own.  seriously. if you want something bad enough, you can get it. the criminals ruin the fun for us decent folk. grandma always said locks ain't for honest folk.  i miss my g-ma....

your grandma sounded like a wise woman. and ive built shotties before, and TG,  what about concealed carry users. referring to a coment you made earlier, shotties would NOT be practical

[trumpetguy]

TG, exactly, there is a line that needs to be drawn and there needs to be a massive crack-down on these unregulated transfers at shows.  Unfortunately, the gun lobby so vehemently opposes any thing to do with firearms that they are unwilling to pursue a middle ground.  If they would put their efforts into getting legislation passed prohibiting unregulated transfers and requiring basic safety courses there would be many fewer gun-related deaths.  We require a license to drive on a road and vehicle registration, why not have all gun-owners be required to test for a license and register ALL firearms.  I'm not opposed to a more strict system, I'm opposed to this bullshit mentality that says law-abiding citizens should be left naked and at the mercy of criminals.

Actually, I'm 100% in agreement with you here!  And I'm glad you won't kick the sh!t out of me...

Now, I'm ready to bet a pizza that DC's murder and crime rate do not go down in the next three years with the influx of handguns.  Anybody on?

[yamahonkawazuki]

hell im in for that bet 

[spc]

They might, they might not.  There are many criminal aspects of that city that never touch the average law-abiding citizen, so it's really up in the air.  This is a small concession to ease troubled minds in my eye and if it saves one honest citizen's life while costing 50 criminals their's, it is well worth it in my eyes.

[trumpetguy]

hell im in for that bet 

Alright, Yama...July 27 2011.  We'll look at it.  I'll take a Pizza Hut supreme.   

[yamahonkawazuki]

fair enough, ill do the same. BUT lets get a few things straight. what if it went down for a bit next week, but up the following. would it still apply that it went down? or are we talking about on average over a 3 year total?

[trumpetguy]

fair enough, ill do the same. BUT lets get a few things straight. what if it went down for a bit next week, but up the following. would it still apply that it went down? or are we talking about on average over a 3 year total?

I was talking about at the end of three years.  How about the average of 2011 vs. average of 2008.   Murder rate and crime rate.  If either one goes down I'll buy the pizza.

[yamahonkawazuki]

fair enough. , you seem somewhat hell bent on it not working though. i wonder why?

[trumpetguy]

fair enough. , you seem somewhat hell bent on it not working though. i wonder why?

It comes with being a member of the reality-based community (i.e. liberals).   

[bettingpython]

Gun ownership in homes will not decrease DC's violent crime rate.

OKlahoma's stranger on stranger violent crime offenses have declined with the passage of the self defense act but crime is still on the rise it is criminal on criminal crime that continues to rise.

I would be willing to bet you see decreased home invasion crime numbers in DC over the next 3 years. I am in for a pizza bet TG I will even ride into the flatlands to pay off if I am wrong.

Got a bet?

[yamahonkawazuki]

fair enough. , you seem somewhat hell bent on it not working though. i wonder why?

It comes with being a member of the reality-based community (i.e. liberals).   

[Jughead]

Alternate Reality? 

[trumpetguy]

Gun ownership in homes will not decrease DC's violent crime rate.

OKlahoma's stranger on stranger violent crime offenses have declined with the passage of the self defense act but crime is still on the rise it is criminal on criminal crime that continues to rise.

I would be willing to bet you see decreased home invasion crime numbers in DC over the next 3 years. I am in for a pizza bet TG I will even ride into the flatlands to pay off if I am wrong.

Got a bet?

I'll take this bet just to see BP ride into the flatlands if I win.  But can we get stats on DCs home invasion rates?

[bettingpython]

http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,Q,543308,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,%7C,.asp

And in all reality DC is city with a steadily declining population level. The overall crime numbers appear to be dropping. Lets use the burglary number that blends in business and home burglaries.

I wish they had specific data numbers breaking down home invasions, stranger on stranger, and criminal enterprise crime.

[frankieG]

i don't know why America is such a violent country, with or without guns.  it holds more people in prison than any other country 1 in 100 persons just recently beating out china.  and i believe it  kills more people with its death penalty including women and those with learning disabilities and borderline retarded either per capita or outright the most(i am unsure of the exact numbers)  so something is wrong that goes beyond gun ownership.  i guess there is a Nobel prize out there to be won to the person who can figure that question out...someone other than i

[trumpetguy]

FrankieG, that was the big question asked by NRA member Michael Moore in "Bowling for Columbine."  It is certainly a cultural thing, not caused by gun ownership,  Canada (IIRC) has more guns per capita and much lower violent crime.  Why?

[trumpetguy]

http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,Q,543308,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,%7C,.asp

And in all reality DC is city with a steadily declining population level. The overall crime numbers appear to be dropping. Lets use the burglary number that blends in business and home burglaries.

I wish they had specific data numbers breaking down home invasions, stranger on stranger, and criminal enterprise crime.

Agreed.  But to be fair, we'll have to use crimes per capita.  The population is declining, so crime should be, too.  Unless only the good guys are moving out...


Modified -- HEY, I JUST QUOTED BP!!!!!  Holy sh!t, Batman!!!  New version of SMF, perhaps.   

BP is no longer "The Unquoted One."   BWAHAHAHA   

[spc]

The per capita statistics are on the page when you scroll further down.  I'm with BP, there probably won't be a huge change in violent crime due to the amount of gang on gang/criminal on criminal, but I bet there will be a sizable decline in home invasions/robbery.

[frankieG]

one big thing i have noticed, being a dual citizen and living on both sides of the boarder, is fear.  america lives in fear, fear of guns, fear of gangs, fear of terrorism, fear of the bogeyman.  Canada just does not operate that way.  right now the biggest fear in Canada is the change in the hockey night in Canada theme song  data da da dadada

[yamahonkawazuki]

i thought it was the fear of an american hockey team winning the big game