Who are you voting for, for President?

[cafeboy]

You get over your self!!!!
Look there is no african-american you are one or the other.
If you are an american then be one and if you are an african, asian, mexican, and so on then be one but you can only pledge alliegiance to one flag and one country. I am not a french, irish, cherokee, latin, american. I am an AMERICAN. Like it or not. What I mean by he's not black is that how would you feel if you where oh let's say half latin and half "white" but every one called you mexican. Well thats what you are doing to him so it sound to me like you are being a racist. JMHO If it where me I would not like it and fined it offensive. I am (other) in race and an American so you get over it.

[cafeboy]

I have trouble understanding your argument.

Over your head ?

[trumpetguy]

CB, I am not trying to start a flame war.  I apologize if I sounded inflammatory with my "get over yourself" remark.  My meaning is that it isn't really how you or I look at him that matters (I think he'd agree 100%).  There are still some Americans who classify themselves and others by the color of their skin.  I think it's amazing and a sign of positive progress that we have reached the point where the color of Obama's skin does not DISqualify him from consideration for the presidency.  I (and it sounds like we agree on this) would welcome a color-blind society.  Obama said as much last night in his speech, and so did McCain.  We are all Americans.  For that I am thankful.

I had a discussion with a co-worker this morning who said "I'm so tired of hearing that he's the first black President -- that doesn't qualify him to be president."  My response -- of course it doesn't qualify him to be president, and no one is saying it does.  What it means is that the color of one's skin is no longer a barrier to the presidency.  We still have work to do in the areas of sexual orientation and religion.  An openly ghey person will not be elected president in the next fifty years, and neither will an atheist, agnostic, or Muslim.

[cafeboy]

No prob here. I am just saying every one is harping about he's a black pres. and throwing his entire mothers side of the family out. I don't think no son would be happy about that. I no I would not. I owe my mom that much. I want the pres to be the best man for the job. If he is great and if he's not then hopfully we'll make it thrue. All I am saying is don't leave out half of the man, it's just not right. 

[quiktaco]

Hey spc...  That guy in your picture was right-wing, but the "yes we can" is left wing.  I think you meant to either have a picture of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx or the slogan "Country First" or "Deutschland uber alles," which is really similar to Country First.

You know, I never put that together before.  Germany above all others, Country Before Others, Country First.  Wow.  Good call spc.

Um....he may have been right wing in his country at the time...but he was still a socialist, so that makes him extremely left in our country at this time.  Probably voted number 2...right after Obama, and right before Biden.

Just for oh my goodnesss and grins, lets wait till all the votes are actually counted seeing as the media has been calling states in Obama's favor even before counting began.

Votes no longer matter, because McCain conceded at 11:15pm.  Even so, Fox News called it Obama at 11:05pm.  And if you think Fox News is liberal biased, then you got issues.

If you really hate socialism and communism, you should be REALLY REALLY mad at our government for the Bail-Out.  You should vow to NOT vote for anyone that was pro Bail-Out.  Then, you should fight to get rid of all those terrible socialist programs we have.  Get rid of interstates, FDIC, SEC, Social Security, Fannie Mae, Unions, weekends, public schools, electricity in rural communities...  In fact, you should fight for every small town to handle all of their own needs, like power generation, sewage treatment, roads, etc.  Even better would be to have each PERSON handle their own sh!t.  You should convince every person in the US to go completely off grid, generate their own power, grow their own food ('cause the federal gov't is the only thing keeping most farms alive, yes, that's socialism), defend their own land, and so on.

If you're against socialism, you should try to keep money where it comes from.  Remove all welfare and unemployment.  You should fight tooth and nail to get rid of all federal taxes and federally funded programs.  So, money from rich "socialist" cities like New York, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, etc should stay there and not fund the rest of the country.

I can only imagine what your non-socialist USA would be like.  There are many states that would simply collapse without our country's thousands of Socialist programs.

I'm really mad about the bail out.  It was a very extremely Socialistic thing that he and the liberal congress did.  I just don't get why America voted for someone who IS Socialist, cause now, that type of stuff will happen all the time.  But he speaks well, so it's ok.

Not all programs are bad, just most of them.
I'm fine getting rid of Government run Social Security, Fannie Mea, Unions, public schools, welfare, unemployment...and tons of other things as well.  Federal Taxes are a necessary evil.  They pay for the defence department that keeps this nation free.  Unfortunately they also pay things like welfare, which keep the poor, poor.  Why do the rich have to fund everything?  Straight tax.  That's fair.  Static percent that varies based on need.  But it doesn't change for pay scale.  Everyone pays 20%, then the poor would be paying their fair share.  Why do they get to get by for free?  If they don't make much, then they don't pay much.  If you make 100k, then you pay 20k in taxes...that's a ton more than a poor person making 20k a year which only pays what, 4k.

The states have their own taxes, why should other states pay for their states needs?  If they don't make much, because there's not many people there, then they don't need all that much to keep it up and running.

A great patriot once said "It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from it's government"  I think true patriotism will shine through in the dissident hearts of those that will be seen as rebels during these trying times.  Our constitution does not allow for 'redistribution of wealth', that phrase is almost directly from a soviet analysis of communism.  We are guaranteed 'Life, Liberty and THE PURSUIT of happiness'.  That framework does not call for the feeding of mouths unwilling to work with the toil and blood of those who have accomplished something.  That framework is not just a suggestion either, it is the most absolute law of the land and yet it seems that not only the general public but much of Washington has forgotten this heritage in the pursuit of socio-communism.  I am saddened that the people of this country are so easily led astray by the wolf in sheep's clothing, but the spirit of Democracy shall prevail AT ALL COSTS.

This I'll defend. 

I'll defend that, too. Very well said.


It's still not over...there's still something like 11 lawsuits that are still pending against his citizenship.  It's still not been proven that he is eligible.  It would definitely suck for all those who got wrapped up in his propaganda for him to be disqualified. 

[jserio]

so what happens if he is disqualified? what then? what is the contingency plan for that? 

[frankieG]

The first black presidant of the US is change.

He's not not not not not not not not NOT BLACK

oh yes he is..get over it. 

[quiktaco]

so what happens if he is disqualified? what then? what is the contingency plan for that? 

That's a very good question.  I don't know if there is anything in the law about it, because people usually give up their proof of citizenship easier and at the appropriate time.

First thing I would think is that Biden would take over, but then again, he would have been elected as VP on false pretenses under Obama, so that wouldn't really be proper.

Perhaps another election between McCain and Clinton (the next person in line on the democrat side)

Really don't know

The first black presidant of the US is change.

He's not not not not not not not not NOT BLACK

oh yes he is..get over it. 

He's half.  get over it.  Actually Kenyan-American if you want to be all PC.  All I see is a person that is (potentially) American.  His father's from Kenya, his mother is irish, and something else I think, living in America.  He may have had citizenship in Indonesia at one point, but now he's here, so he's AMERICAN.

[cafeboy]

The first black presidant of the US is change.

He's not not not not not not not not NOT BLACK

oh yes he is..get over it. 

White mama. so not black.
Thats like calling you a scared to serve. I would be wrong, correct ?

[frankieG]

i can hardly wait until his first visit to Kenya. i don't know why you are insisting he is not black? are you ashamed? or what is the deal. i was surprised by some on this site with the bile and anger they vetted about losing the election.  the left does not behave like that and i like to think we are all better than that on this board.  the republican/red neck anger worries me....who knows how far they may take it.  this was not just a win but a landslide.  i am so proud to be an American right now..i don't know if i have ever been prouder.  and what is this disqualification foolishness, and it is foolishness.  a true gentleman is gracious in defeat.

[quiktaco]

i can hardly wait until his first visit to Kenya. i don't know why you are insisting he is not black? are you ashamed? or what is the deal. i was surprised by some on this site with the bile and anger they vetted about losing the election.  the left does not behave like that and i like to think we are all better than that on this board.  the republican/red neck anger worries me....who knows how far they may take it.  this was not just a win but a landslide.  i am so proud to be an American right now..i don't know if i have ever been prouder.  and what is this disqualification foolishness, and it is foolishness.  a true gentleman is gracious in defeat.

I thought you were Canadian.  Although Canada 'accepts' both citizenships, the US doesn't.

And no, it wasn't considered a landslide.  It was a large win, but technically not a landslide.

When this Socialistic Power impedes my freedoms, I will stand up with the rest of the Conservative base, and defend them, because they are worth fighting for.  I truely believe that this next 2.5 months is going to be the biggest gun selling/buying time in history.  I'm thinking about getting 2 more guns before it's illegal.

[frankieG]

sorry to burst your bubble but i have been a dual citizen my whole life and served in the us military. i thought that was common knowledge on this board about me.  besides you need two to tango how else could you have dual citizenship yeesh

[cafeboy]

Look there is no african-american you are one or the other.
If you are an american then be one and if you are an african, asian, mexican, and so on then be one but you can only pledge alliegiance to one flag and one country. I am not a french, irish, cherokee, latin, american. I am an AMERICAN. Like it or not. What I mean by he's not black is that how would you feel if you where oh let's say half latin and half "white" but every one called you mexican. Well thats what you are doing to him so it sound to me like you are being a racist. JMHO If it where me I would not like it and fined it offensive. I am (other) in race and an American so you get over it.

If you would read you may under stand what I was saying

[quiktaco]

sorry to burst your bubble but i have been a dual citizen my whole life and served in the us military. i thought that was common knowledge on this board about me.  besides you need two to tango how else could you have dual citizenship yeesh

Then the US must not recognize that you have Canadian citizenship.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought the US only recognized one citizenship.

[cafeboy]

I don't belive in duel citizenship like I don't belive in the boogie man

[frankieG]

got it i understand but he is still black...i have often called myself irish american but i know what you mean.  although america has not been a country long enough to really have true blue american only.  only 221 years  which in the scheme of things is not that long at all.

[quiktaco]

I don't belive in duel citizenship like I don't belive in the boogie man

Yeah, how can you have loyalty to the US, when you have dual citizenship.  I guess the same way you can become president when you have Indonesian citizenship.

[frankieG]

I don't belive in duel citizenship like I don't belive in the boogie man

take it up with your senator i don't care what you think i'm as american as anyone.

[jserio]

i'm an american, born and raised.      

[frankieG]

i caution anyone who may question my loyalty