Huge Non PC post - Please leave your sensibilities at the door or stay out.

[Toogoofy317]

Actually, on our Wednesday night services we are discussing this. We started studying the book of Judges. I guess the first question I asked the pastor is why would God tell the Isrealites to Kill the Philistines. he said that for many years God had tolerated their false worship and vile ways. For fertility they worshipped a god named Baal and the "sacrafice" was to have sex with a prostitute in the temple. So, because they defiled God and his word it was their punishment. They killed 10,000 and cut off the thumbs and big toes of the Kings. why the toes and the thumb because without the thumb they could not pick up a sword and without a big toe they could not run away. So, why were the Isrealites later punished in Judges because they disobeyed God by not killing the Philistines. So why was that so bad. Because, then the Philistines intermarried and passed on their paganism to the Isrealites and they disregarded God so then they to must be punished but then this was after many generations of non obedience.

So not everybody lives their life in a shell and not think about what others go through. BTW why did you pick the military as your career if I was this conflicted about it I would have at least waited to make this choice.

Another thing my Chaplin friend talked to me about before I became a Christian that made a lot of sense. He said think about this if I'm a true Christian that means I live a just life, I do good things for people, and am a good citizen. If I'm right at the end of my life I will go to heaven and receive a new body and be with Christ. Now if I'm wrong then I die at the end of my life and that's it I still lived a full life. Now what if I'm a non-Christian I will still probably be a good person do good things and the sort and when I die that's it. Now what if I'm wrong and a non-Christian when judgement day comes and God looks at all of my inequities I am then doomed to hell because no human is sinless. So, as a Christian what do I have to lose nothing? If I'm non-Christian and there is a judgement day what do i have to lose? Everything.

Now that's not why I became a Christian but to a logical person it makes a lot of sense.

Mary

[wladziu]

BTW why did you pick the military as your career if I was this conflicted about it I would have at least waited to make this choice.

Covered that in a previous post.  Then I started getting hallucinations from my moral structure breaking down.  Shot a guy in the liver and realized I had fun doing it.  Bye bye, psyche. 
Pretty typical.

[yamahonkawazuki]

so you did that, and then said " f%$k this im done"?

[wladziu]

Not exactly.

My platoon sergeant tried to leave my tank crew after our fuel pumps quit.  That's strike two.

I stuck a piece of wire in the control system to jumpstart the pumps, but I'd forgotten which was the right hole.  One in about 50 or so chance (50 slot panel) that I'd be electrocuted.  Said goodbye to my wife and family in my head, told my crew that it was great serving with them. 
f%$kers didn't bother saying thank you.    Strike three, and I'm done.



Meanwhile, my platoon sergeant (same guy as above) got a Silver Star for "rescuing a soldier from a burning tank in a firefight".  I watched the entire thing:  no firefight (friendly fire incident, documented), soldier crawled out under his own power while this jacka$$ stood in front of the tank and yelled at him for being "too stupid to get out with the rest of his crew" (his words).   SFC Camacho.  Quite a guy.
Lives somewhere in Puerto Rico, now.  Real hero 




Edited for sounding like a little b!tch.  Haha

[wladziu]

I thought you were asking why I got out.  Nevermind.


No, I shot that guy about halfway through.  I kept fighting; didn't want the people behind us to get hurt in their little humvees.  Somebody accused me of trying to sound pompous about that, but it's what I did.  The best thing I could figure out to do. 
Sucks pretty bad to have to keep shooting guys, though, when you're worried about being a murderer. 

Hence, why I feel qualified to speak about radical Christians. 

[wladziu]

Much as I've been b!tching on here, I probably need one of these:

http://www.vagisilkit.com/kit2/index.shtml

[godzillaburritomeat]

My opinion is this. Religious beliefs aside, anyone who thinks it's a good idea to blow themselves up is a fundamentally flawed human being.

[The Buddha]

My opinion is this. Religious beliefs aside, anyone who thinks it's a good idea to blow themselves up is a fundamentally flawed human being.

Not counting Kamikaze pilots etc, a bomb installed on a person who blew herself up - This was first done by an Sri lankan tamil tiger in 1990. That single act cost them the sympathy of Indian population. They killed Rajiv Gandhi who was the Indian Prime Minister at that time.
Religion had nothing to do with it.
Cool.
Buddha.

[godzillaburritomeat]

Religion had nothing to do with it.

That's why I said religious beliefs aside. They weren't the first to do it by a long shot, and they won't be the last. Religion really has nothing to do with it, it's the indoctrination by someone they hold great respect for (though who on earth would respect a guy that says "Go here and blow yourself up" when HE obviously isn't going to do it, seems kind of moronic to me. But hey, I'm an American so what do I know eh?  ) I think they'll eventually wipe themselves out though. There's probably as much hate for the different kinds of Islam as there is for us.

[nightrider]

My opinion is this. Religious beliefs aside, anyone who thinks it's a good idea to blow themselves up is a fundamentally flawed human being.

Not counting Kamikaze pilots etc, a bomb installed on a person who blew herself up - This was first done by an Sri lankan tamil tiger in 1990. That single act cost them the sympathy of Indian population. They killed Rajiv Gandhi who was the Indian Prime Minister at that time.
Religion had nothing to do with it.
Cool.
Buddha.

"The first modern suicide bombing occurred in Iran in 1980 when 13-year old Hossein Fahmideh detonated himself as he ran up to an Iraqi tank at a key point in a battle of the Iran-Iraq War."

Wikianswers

[Toogoofy317]

Actually another attempt of suicide bombing occured in WWII. This was one such attempt:
Just a week after the failed attempt of March 13, Maj. Gen. Rudolph von Gersdorff volunteered to kill Hitler with a suicide bomb while the Führer inspected captured Soviet arms and equipment. Gersdorff planned to hug the Führer and explode a bomb in his greatcoat, but Hitler rushed through the exhibit before Gersdorff could detonate the bomb.

If it would have worked I think he may have been the first.

Mary

[yamahonkawazuki]

These may be teh first DOCUMENTED cases. perhaps there were those that never were seen/reported/documented?

[Toogoofy317]

I guess if you wanna go waay back Sampson could be considered a suicide (while technically not a bomber) killer. It is stated that he killed more in death than in life(book of Judges). So I guess it has been going on for millenia.

Mary

[The Buddha]

Sorry I actually forgot what I had heard back them. It was the first instance of a head of state assasinated by suicide bomb.

BTW muslims do some other ridiculous things.
You've heard of arranged marriages. The Indian style arranged marriage (hindu) has been much misconstrued, but typically they dont decide at the time they are kids or at any time before the people to be married hit what is called a marriageable age. Then they use a horoscope to match up to the other person. They also do a socio economic religious match. They also have a character match, like they wont marry a grease monkey like me to a clean freak like my wife. Or a drinker like me to a non drinker like my wife, or a scam artist like me to an honest abe like my wife ... or a liar like me ... you get the idea.

They dont want to look like beggars compared to the other person's family or vice versa. They also match future desires and decide if it works. Then the bride and groom to be meet, possibly just 1 time, maybe more than 1 time. They do get time to talk to each other in private a little. Then they decide with the final over rule being from the bride or groom. Its a marriage where a lot of arrangements including meeting is done before they meet. Ironically There is a lot of choice, no one is locked in till they are done meeting and talking. Agreed you dont know what a person will be like with just that, but its not as blind as its implied by the media. And on ocassion if the boy and girl decide to get married anyway and declare to their parents, they sometimes go through all the other steps in a way so as to peek into their future and see if any hiccups are comming down the road. They sorta believe in that horoscope business very deeply. Nice scam, and there are some serious software packages and this and that to do this. Really insane. Also in a lot of cases they match many people for 1 person in the span of a few months. The first ones who agree all the ones after that are cancelled.

I have seen muslims who actually are from say bangladesh who marry through a entirely blind arranged marriage someone from Morrocco. That is weird, even though I am well aware of the arranged marriage, but marrying someone you've never met from another country you've never been in is really weird to me. Maybe they have a crazy horoscope that really can very perfectly match to anyone in the world. I dunno.

And they also have dowry, and its not paid by the bride's family to the groom ahead of the wedding as used to be Hindu custom. Even though this has been effectively abolished, the new thing is that the bride's family drags the groom to a high end clothier and get tailored suits etc with cost no object type BS. Excellent, since I bought a $30 suit at an after christmas sale and took it to India. Booya, they were out 35 bucks, come on, the tie was 5 bucks.

The groom pays the bride's family after they spend the night together. If that's not weird, I dunno what is.

Cool.
Buddha.

[godzillaburritomeat]

marrying someone you've never met from another country you've never been in is really weird to me.

Kinda make you wonder about our country though, one of the guys in my old platoon was considering a mail-order bride...wonder if he ever did that.

Is the demonizing of the left hand common anywhere other than Islam?
Another thing, this wierd thing they have about NOT sitting on a toilet. They'll stand on it and crouch down. More often than not, missing the spot they're supposed to be aiming 

[The Buddha]

Left hand isn't demonised in India. We however dont use it for much cos its usually used to lets just say ... well ... in the bathroom.
And the hole in the ground method ... well you cannot sit on that ... really. It used to be the norm in countries without a full sewer system. They also cannot miss cos ... well, its where ever they hit that is the toilet. Open air baby ... you dont want to be down wind of that for sure.

I dunno what that is with respect to islam. Maybe they all are in the non indoor plumbing category ?? 
Cool.
Buddha.

[godzillaburritomeat]

Lmao you can so sit with the hole in the ground method. One of my platoon sergeants had this nifty chair he made with a hole in the middle, so yes you CAN  .

[The Buddha]

Dude ... only cos he needs it. They dont sit per say, they squat.
Cool.
Buddha.

[godzillaburritomeat]

I'm just sayin. 

Back to the original topic, the Israelis will probably kick their arses. You really shouldn't mess with them. They're gangsta 

[Weston]

Note to other countries: Dont shoot missles at Israel.   lol