Torn between two firearms

[Jackstand Johnny]

I've had my eye on two firearms of completely different creed and I'm torn between which one to settle on. The first is the Remington 870 tactical with pistol grip stock and 18" barrel. The other is a Glock 22. Not sure whether I want fixed or adjustable sights on that yet. Both have pro's and con's. I want the shotty for home defense. Same with the Glock but I planned on getting a coneal and carry permit for that a little down the road. Any input?

[ke7syv]

I was at the same trouble a while ago. For me it was a choice between a 870 and Hi-Point .45  I took the .45 but I'll get an 870 here soon enough. Great shotgun especially if you get a rifled barrell for slugs. Ooooh Yeah! Aside from the .45 I have a
Ruger Mini-14 (.223/5.56)
1946 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M44 (7.62x54R)
Ruger 10/22 (.22LR)

[Porkchop]

I'd go with the 870 for the following reasons:

1.  Home defense seems to be your primary mission.

2.  If you ever need to leave home armed, shotgun will be most versatile.

4.  Nothing says "Don't F**k with me" better then a shotgun in a tactical sling when walking in public.

3.  You can get the Glock down the road when you get your CCP.

JMHO - Porkchop

[97gs500e]

+1 on the 870 - excellent for home defense.

If your were going to get a .40 for CC I would look at something smaller than the G22, like a G23, G27, Springfield XD40 subcompact, etc etc.  Standard or tactical size frames are too difficult to conceal on your person IMO. 

[bettingpython]

Get the Glock, pistol grips belong on pistols, and shotties need 00buck or slugs to be effective against a bad guy, bird shot is for birds and that's the only thing you're gonne be shooting in a pistol grip shotgun. Been there and tried that.

Check out the box o truth if you don't believe me about shotgun loads. I would give you a link but work blocks gun sites just google it.

First line of defense in my home when things go bump in the night is my Ar15 with a weapon mounted 225 lumens tac light, 30 round magazines insure sufficent volume of fire to neautralize a home invasion issue.
Next line of defense is my pistol, 8 round magazine capacity in a 1911 but multiple magazines available insure rapid reload capability.
The shotty would be my last choice for home defense and it damn sure would'nt have a pistol grip.

YMMV

[bombadillo]

Shotgun with centurion defense ammo.  Its got a .65 cal ball followed by 6 balls of 00 buckshot.   The best ammo I've seen for close quarter use.  Also, get the 870 because if its for home defense, as stated above it'll be better than a handgun any day of the week.  Just go to Big5 and grab the 870 standard with the bird barrel and the 18.5" home defense barrel.  It'll take 3 1/2 magnum loads and its a beefy gun.  Either that or a mossberg 500/590 for practicality or versatility.  Get a handgun down the road and do it fast if you live in California because after 2010 they're making some garbage laws come into play.

[lilwoody]

Another voter for the 870 and another suggestion to lose the pistol grip. If your not a believer the first time you shoot a )) buck load in it or really try to actually hit something with it you will become a believer. A shot gun still needs to be aimed to be effective and you can't aim a shotgun with a pistol grip. If you can get one of the suggested guns with 2 barrels that is the ticket.  A 18 or 20 with rifle sights and a 28" with screw in chokes chokes is the stuff. You can have a home defence gun, a gun for any fowl that flies, a gun for small game and a gun that will take any big game in North America if the shots are under 100 yards. Even further if you pratice and buy the right slugs. The 12 gauge shot gun is truely the most versital fire arm there is.

[yamahonkawazuki]

id go fo rhte shotty tbh, especialy if you can afford or justify both, then the .45 however if it were one or the other, id get the .45. recently ive been eyeing a tommy gun. local shop has 4 of them

[Revere2]

Do what Betty says.......don't get that damn 12 with a pistol grip. Maybe you could "borrow one" and try it out at the range before making your decision. I venture to say that with 00 Buck in 2 and 3/4, you ain't gonna wanna shoot it much at all. Remember, hopefully you will be "getting older". You will not like that kind of punishment when you age a bit. Get a full stock if you have to have it.
I have an Ithaca model 37 featherlight in 12 gauge with no recoil pad. It is punishing. I can't even imagine a day at the range with a pistol grip on it.

[bettingpython]

Hell I was young and fit, 18" Mossberg pistol grip with stock forend and damn near broke my wrist. Even with a pistol grip pump forend your time on target recovery is just too damn slow. Reload times suck too and I think someone else mentioned yes you have to aim just ponting a shotty in the general direction and pulling the trigger does not work. I think the 870 has a load fork adapter designed to allow you to chamber Aquila mini slugs, that allows you to carry 2 extra in the tube. Theres no such thing as enough magazine capacity when your fighting for your life.

[natedawg120]

yeah the shotgun will not be very functional with 00 buck shot and an pistol grip.  A full stock is much more user friendly when not shooting at birds or skeet.  It is also hard to beat a shotgun as a home defense weapon, I will be getting one soonish for home and hunting.  Until then my Ruger will do just fine 

[Kasumi]

Hehe you guys make me laugh.

But anyways in the REAL world. Lets be practical. For home defense the bigger the gun the better. Your aim is not to kill that person but to scare the shaZam! out of them in the hope they get away. If you don't shoot very often then a shotgun is an excellent choice as its point and shoot and anyone who dares break into your home isnt going to get up and try to fight you even if you just clipped em with the spread of the shot. Plus if theyre close you will put a hole in them. Bonus either way. Pistol is good if you can keep your cool and just shoot them streight off but your never going to hit them if your shitting your pants becasue someone broke into your house and your trying to chase them off.

[bettingpython]

Hehe you guys make me laugh.

...Your aim is not to kill that person but to scare the oh my goodness out of them in the hope they get away. ...

Negatory Big Ben. The objective is to neutralize the threat. Almost every state recognizes castle doctrine over here, only in a couple is their an obligation to retreat. The most effectively neutralized threat is one that can't come back and try again. Unlike England in many states the act of breaking in is an automatic immunity from civil prosecution in the case of a self defense shooting or justifiable homicide. This is not yet the UK where a criminal or his family have more rights and can come after a homeowner in a civil case.

My intent is not to kill but overwhelmingly and rapidly neutralize any potential threat in my home. Notice the term potential again castle doctrine recognizes the usage of any force up to and including lethal force in a home invasion. No warning shots no course of last resort, I will shoot and let the police ask questions later.

[Revere2]

Let us go look at the shotgun recoil tables.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htm

Now...........the 12 guage with the heavyweight ammo is 52 foot lbs. While it might not spin you around like a weathervane, it's certainly brutal. What can we compare that kind of recoil to? The .416 Remington Magnum, that's what, used for dangerous African game and a premier brown bear load. I'm sticking with Betty on this one. It's bad enough on the shoulder but insanity for taking it "on the wrists".

On another note and for ponderance. The .460 Weatherby Magnum @ 100 ft. lbs. of energy makes the .50 Cal BMG look mild.
Hahahaa. I know......the BMG weighs 30 pounds so that helps a lot.
Vicious recoil like the .460 can cause detached retinas and dislocated shoulders if not held properly.

[spc]

I can deadlift 495 for low reps and you wouldn't catch my ass shooting a 12 with any sort of meaningful load from just a pistol grip   Get the 12 and if you really want the pistol grip get a folding stock for it

[Revere2]

The Model AA-12 (12 gauge) when ya just gotta have more. Class 3 (full auto) and light recoil for serious "crowd control". Rate of fire is determined by trigger pressure/time (no selector switch I believe) Here.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wg1pFNwTOE&NR=1

[bettingpython]

Tromix lead delivery systems. Tony Runmore a.k.a Tromix is here in Tulsa.

They do tactical conversions on Saiga shotguns. Clip fed 10rd detachable magazine. Do a tax stamp and get that bad boy in a 12" barrel with 00 buck theres a home defense shotty.

[makenzie71]

Hehe you guys make me laugh.

But anyways in the REAL world. Lets be practical. For home defense the bigger the gun the better. Your aim is not to kill that person but to scare the oh my goodness out of them in the hope they get away.

Just like BP said...if someone is in my house, I may give them a warning to leave (depending on my situation), but the instant I can put them in my sights they'll not be doing any more of this "home invasion" nonsense.  An unwelcome guest in my home is just that and, with a family, there are no margins for error nor time to find out if they're hostile.

[Kasumi]

Do as you wish, live in fear.

[jserio]

the only thing you have to fear is fear it self. a home defense weapon of any kind, (i've only got a baseball bat by the bed at the moment), is a tool. and like any tool of any other kind, it serves a purpose. i'm sure many of you have tools in your tool box that you seldom use. but, you have it so that on that rare occassion you need one, it's there. better to have it and never have to use it then to not have it and need it someday.  'tis not fear, or fear-mongering or any of that nonsense, it's simply understanding the times we live in and wanting to be prepared.




now, on the flip side, my dad lives in kansas. told me a story bout a local home invasion. said dude A broke into dude B's house. Dude B has a pistol. fired 9 rounds, in his living room at dude A...and missed them all.