Fook yeah! Stem cell research!

Toogoofy317 · March 13, 2009, 06:13:23 PM

Adult stem cells are harvested from bone marrow. So, they have yet to get their assighnments either. Biggest difference from what I read is how many generations they last.
Can't get refrences with PSP.
Mary

ohgood · March 13, 2009, 07:32:26 PM

my raising taught me life was precious, and you deal with what you're dealt.

abortion and stem cells fall into the same group for me: it's not something for -man- to decide.

cafeboy · March 13, 2009, 09:28:47 PM

Quote from: ohgood on March 13, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
my raising taught me life was precious, and you deal with what you're dealt.

abortion and stem cells fall into the same group for me: it's not something for -man- to decide.

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

yamahonkawazuki · March 13, 2009, 11:01:35 PM

aye thats where my issue is. id have a hard time advocating playing "god"

Toogoofy317 · March 14, 2009, 02:11:51 AM

I mean when are we playing God? @ what point a blood tranfusion or a heart transplant, or the AICD controlling the heart. I guess when transplant reenters my life there will be much to pray about and am confident HE will guide me.
Mary

yamahonkawazuki · March 14, 2009, 04:28:19 AM

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 14, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
I mean when are we playing God? @ what point a blood tranfusion or a heart transplant, or the AICD controlling the heart. I guess when transplant reenters my life there will be much to pray about and am confident HE will guide me.
Mary

Mary thats the question that tears at me, how do we know if we are playing god as i pu tit, or if god was gguiding our hand /brain/soul to do something? or if someone was going around god/trying to be god, how does oen know this?

murf425 · March 14, 2009, 05:59:06 AM

Not to piss in any of the fanboys' Cheerios here first thing in the morning, but...

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=44943

QuoteObama Signs Law Banning Federal Embryo Research Two Days After Signing Executive Order to OK It
Friday, March 13, 2009
By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief

President Barack Obama (AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) - On Wednesday, only two days after he lifted President Bush's executive order banning federal funding of stem cell research that requires the destruction of human embryos, President Barack Obama signed a law that explicilty bans federal funding of any "research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death."

SEC. 509. (a) None of the funds made available in this Act may be used for—(1) the creation of a human embryo or embryos for research purposes; or (2) research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death greater than that allowed for research on fetuses in utero under 45 CFR 46.204(b) and section 498(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 289g(b)). (b) For purposes of this section, the term ''human embryo or embryos'' includes any organism, not protected as a human subject under 45 CFR 46 as of the date of the enactment of this Act, that is derived by fertilization, parthenogenesis, cloning, or any other means from one or more human gametes or human diploid cells.

bombadillo · March 14, 2009, 07:51:25 AM

Quote from: murf425 on March 11, 2009, 05:14:27 AM
I don't have a problem at all with stem cell research.

I have a problem with tax dollars funding it. Let's get one thing straight...there has never been a ban on the research. There has only been a ban on federal funding for it. And you know what? That's good. There is nothing that gives the federal government the power or authority to spend our tax dollars subsidizing a private corporation to do the research they want to do. If someone wants to do the research, by all means go ahead. But fund it yourself.

100% Agree. I believe it should be a privately funded project that the libs can set up if they so desire.

wladziu · March 14, 2009, 09:43:07 AM

Christ. Right back to the politics and name calling, person that calls people fanboys yet has a Colbert avatar.

The funding doesn't prohibit buying real estate, building, and furnishing equipment for a lab which may or may not do such research in the future. A change in mission statement easily sidesteps the funding issue, as long as there are no active abstracts mentioning embryonic destruction.

I don't care about the political views. I'm only interested in the point at which one begins to waffle on their morality.
After all, we all know that it's easy to reap the benefits of an issue we didn't agree with, as long as we blame the responsibility on the opposing party.
Regardless of the funding, WOULD YOU or WOULD YOU NOT let your (theoretical) 8 year old girl receive treatment for horrible disfiguring burns using skin grown from stem cells from aborted fetuses? Or perhaps shorten your own life?

murf425 · March 14, 2009, 10:01:05 AM

Quote from: wladziu on March 14, 2009, 09:43:07 AM
Christ. Right back to the politics and name calling, person that calls people fanboys yet has a Colbert avatar.

It was on the page I found when I Googled "funny avatars."

trumpetguy · March 14, 2009, 10:07:31 AM

If your religion opposes abortion and stem-cell research, fine. But don't try to make laws imposing your religious views on everyone else. Simple enough.

ohgood · March 14, 2009, 01:51:36 PM

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on March 14, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
I mean when are we playing God? @ what point a blood tranfusion or a heart transplant, or the AICD controlling the heart. I guess when transplant reenters my life there will be much to pray about and am confident HE will guide me.
Mary

harvesting organs from a dying person doesn't seem like playing god to me. it seems like taking the very best possible approach to a bad situation.

you need an organ, and someone has an accident, rendering their life over, but organs still good.

you can have my heart should that be the case. i would hope my family would celebrate my tissues giving life to another person.

wladziu · March 14, 2009, 02:03:12 PM

These are both very good points, and I agree entirely.

Judging from your responses, I suppose that both of you are not too obstinate to at least understand the opposing viewpoints.
I'm not asking you to agree with them at all. I'm just supposing that you understand.
Now, do you find it the least bit interesting that we find ourselves in such a situation as species?

I've been wondering if someone who feels strongly toward either position could somehow admit the futility of the conflict. Not in order to sway their opinion either way, but just as sort of a measure of the common man.
Would have been nicer if there had been some sort of argument, previously. I don't know the term for it, when an opposing party races the other to agreement and resolution just as a way to further the conflict passive-aggressively. Those things are interesting to me.

ohgood · March 14, 2009, 07:21:28 PM

Quote from: wladziu on March 14, 2009, 02:03:12 PM
These are both very good points, and I agree entirely.

Judging from your responses, I suppose that both of you are not too obstinate to at least understand the opposing viewpoints.
I'm not asking you to agree with them at all. I'm just supposing that you understand.
Now, do you find it the least bit interesting that we find ourselves in such a situation as species?

I've been wondering if someone who feels strongly toward either position could somehow admit the futility of the conflict. Not in order to sway their opinion either way, but just as sort of a measure of the common man.
Would have been nicer if there had been some sort of argument, previously. I don't know the term for it, when an opposing party races the other to agreement and resolution just as a way to further the conflict passive-aggressively. Those things are interesting to me.

it must be raining where you are, and all your 'inside' toys are broken.

vtlion · March 14, 2009, 08:03:57 PM

I hope that one day my brother in law can get out of his wheel chair, give me a smile, and take a walk with my niece through the North Carolina wilderness.

you know where I stand... I love you all.... debate on.

Just in case anyone is wondering... he is a cancer survivor.... a relentlessly upbeat person, devoted father, and one of the most inspirational people I have ever been privileged to meet.

ineedanap · March 14, 2009, 08:16:48 PM

wladziu,

You need to work on your arguement starting skills.

Next time try "what's the best oil".

Toogoofy317 · March 14, 2009, 09:51:06 PM

yeah, I had a really good ethics class in college. I'm not going to fight about it why because it really doesn't matter because it will be done somewhere. I'm sure in some lab in China it's already started! Honestly, morals are in our own heart and we have to live with our choices. But, I don't think I'd accept a heart from a "grown embryo". Oh, sure I'd love to have a healthy life but at what cost? As I was trying to say in my earlier post at what point do we draw the line on undesirables.

Just thinking if some genetic testing came out that would pinpoint my heart problems would I have just been used as spare parts or flushed down the toilet. Even though I'm disabled I like to think I do contribute to some of the good things that happen in this world. Yeah, at times life REALLY sucks i.e this week but in my beliefs things happen for a reason I know for me if I hadn't had this heart problem. I would still be a very lonely and angry person. If I had it to do all over again I'd walk the same path.

I'm very in favor of stem cell research but we don't have to destroy in order to create. The hippocratic oath first says do no harm and I believe that is for good reason.
http://www.stemcellresearchfacts.com/pros_cons.html

Mary

yamahonkawazuki · March 14, 2009, 10:28:55 PM

Quote from: trumpetguy on March 14, 2009, 10:07:31 AM
If your religion opposes abortion and stem-cell research, fine. But don't try to make laws imposing your religious views on everyone else. Simple enough.

or vice versa. i wonder why the change of mind on obamas part though? all i ask is if my tax dollars have to pay for it, ive got teh option to back out. if you TG (or anyone else) want tehir tax dollars to go for it. fine. cool. not an issue. this is one of those issues, that no matter what you do, someone will get pissed off. TG even though we may disagree STRONGLY on politics, im sure we can agree on that last line

spc · March 14, 2009, 10:44:05 PM

The reversal was part of the Pelosi/Reid omnibus spending bill and either a failed excercise in blatant misdirection or a display of gross incompetence in the white house staff. I'm going with incompetence.

trumpetguy · March 14, 2009, 11:04:55 PM

Quote from: yamahonkawazuki on March 14, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
all i ask is if my tax dollars have to pay for it, ive got teh option to back out. if you TG (or anyone else) want tehir tax dollars to go for it. fine. cool. not an issue. this is one of those issues, that no matter what you do, someone will get pissed off. TG even though we may disagree STRONGLY on politics, im sure we can agree on that last line

As long as I can have my tax dollars back and not used on a "War on Drugs," "War on Terror," or any other senseless exercise phrased as a "War" on an idea. We both know that kind of thinking won't work.

We need basic research, and it will benefit all mankind, including those who don't want their tax dollars spent there. If my tax dollars are being spent on $900 hammers and billions on F-22s (or whatever the f$%^ they are) that the military doesn't want, you can lose a few pennies on basic research without coming unglued.

Abortion will always be with us. Do you want it safe, legal, and rare, or some other way?

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Fook yeah! Stem cell research!