Making good - Joshr08

[The Buddha]

You're not a liar?  I don't have the facts?


Here's your break-down of your pricing:
"He didn't realise 100 was for the top triple weld up, and machining the stem, 150 for fork seals and 35 for bearings."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0
However, you were trying to charge me $450 just for the parts themselves, then charge me extra for all the same work you're talking about there. 

Sorry kiddo, I was charging you 450 for the whole deal with new seals and some parts that you have not even imagined of. Werase knows a little about that, ask him. If he remembers. I was going to charge you extra (the nickel and dime business) for powdercoating the legs.

Here you are selling the same front end, but saying it doesn't have new seals (like you just said it did, in the post above):
"BTW I also have a katana FE for $450+shipping ... It does not have new seals though."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41024.0

That was april 2008 - 1 year ago. And I had new bearings in it. Sorry never even close to selling it to you, its been gone for over a year.

You're sure you're not lying?

Yes I am absolutely sure I am not lying. except about taking on your bike 3 weeks ago.

Here's a prime example of your business ethics:
"I would buy it off you, but there is atleast 3 katana's lying face down in the mud in a 10 mile radius (cos I yanked their FE's) ... and them clowns have no clue, I can get it form them for less than the cost of priority mail from you to me."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0

Here you are talking about a worthless '88 front end (remember trying to sell me one for $300?):
"88 FE's ... not worth the effort of swapping over ... if it is the 39 ... its nearly useless. "

Sorry where did I try to sell you a 39mm fork ... you mis heard something. I was around a lot of noise (my welders shop is by rail road tracks and there is 2 more shops that hammer away at stuff all day long) ... No one here has ever seen me recomend or even talk about anything but 89-95 kat forks. I think you were not hearing things right ... maybe I had to repeat cos I heard a noise as I was saying these numbers. No worthless 39 mm nothing ... never had it, and never talked about it (or not intentionally) ...

Lying face down in the mud does not mean I can get it out from the mud for free. You have that 220 cycles in your town, he has a lot of things in the mud, try to buy it from him. Worthless = I wont buy it ... not that they will let it go free.

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0

This is you bashing someone for daring to underbid you, and you trying to sell your own junk on the same thread:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80

Not selling my parts in that thread. Just recomending somethign different for various reasons.

This is you in April, but you say you were committed to a front end swap to CStilt at the time:  (same thread)
"One more time for the hard of comprehension ... I am not selling a front end, and I have only sold 2 ever almost a year ago to GSTwin people (active) and I am not selling one now."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.80

Did you ever see me post about selling a FE. I also agreed to sell you a FE. I didn't sell it in that post and I got you and cstilt to ask me for them. I dont post anythign but machining. That doesn't mean I dont have a Kat FE ... and if someone buys it its their option. I present it to them as such.

Here you are selling progressive springs for $90, WAAAAY over what they're worth retail:
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41161.0
"Progressives alone are $90"

Oh niiiiice ... very nice ... OK dude, sorry, not my progressives, not my forks and I was selling it because its owner asked me to and the prices were called by him. And I wont tell you who it is, but you can ask werase and check if it does or does not belong to me.

Here's you saying that progressives are crap, anyway:
"Stock forks with progressives is a total waste of $$$ IMHO."
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=47191.40

And again:
"progressives are a waste"
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=44115.0

Yes progressives are a waste, and the ones I have prove it. That does not mean I wont sell it for someone else because who ever owns it has been nice enough to let me borrow it and I would like to return the favor by selling it when he ask me to.

This is you laughing at someone not wanting to pay you $450, and buying rusted forks like you just did:
Its one of those things he does, He didn't want to pay 450 for my katana forks.
So he bought some rusted sheite"
http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=42137.0

Yes I bought rusted forks thinking they were good from my trusted friend. This guy bought seriously brown forks cos they were like very very cheap and tried to get them to work. Out of context.

And, yes, it's my business that you harass someone I was doing business with.  You do it all the time on here.  Selling things from under people, pushing your junk on other folk's threads, telling people how much they are allowed to sell things for. 

Why are you even concerned about who I'm buying parts from?  Do you know how f*cking creepy that is? 

I am sorry, you following my posts is creepy and you claiming sheite that I didn't say as what I have said is down right lying. I'll be sure not to do any of the other things though I usually dont.

I can't even find the thread where you and another guy were pumping yourselves up about charging so much for the FE's.  Talking about ebay prices, and gathering all the parts, etc, convincing another guy to bump the price up $250.  But, according to you - you get these things all the time!  "Three of them laying in the mud", remember? 

You cant find the thread because its in your head. Three of them lying in the mud - dont have any front end any more.

I'm sure I don't have all the facts, but I have enough to tell me something is screwy.

And now look at you!  Smearing someone's name over the price of shipping?  Someone you've done regular business with? 

Your facts are all nearly wrong or 1/2 true, or out of context or out of date. Something is screwy all right ...

Smearing over shipping yes, I fess up. However when we worked it out I also posted back and PM'ed him.

Cool.
Buddha. - Srinath.

[The Buddha]

If you have to look so freaking hard for the last year+ about what I did and didn't do and this is all you come up with when I have really never shown any discretion really ... I am begining to look like "the buddha".

Keep looking, I am pretty sure you can cut and paste different post snippets into a nice picture of me.

I also managed to get on other sites, like maxim and savage etc and got some posts there too.
I sell stuff on savage site, so maybe you can see what I sold where ...

Cool.
Srinath.

[The Buddha]

The truth is, if I had remembered werase still had it, I'd have sent you to him and I'd have been there with cheap beer to bug him.
I need to give him his GSXR tail section anyway.
Cool.
Srinath.

[wladziu]

Sorry kiddo, I was charging you 450 for the whole deal with new seals and some parts that you have not even imagined of. Werase knows a little about that, ask him. If he remembers. I was going to charge you extra (the nickel and dime business) for powdercoating the legs.

Bullsh!t. 


You told me $450, and that you hadn't even touched the seals and bearings.  $50 for the seals, $50 for the gauge carrier crap, and extra for the welded stem.  And, yeah, extra for powdercoating... which would have been really freaking nice on $450 of USED parts. 



Forget Werase.  Why don't you tell ME what these mysterious, unimaginable parts were?  Your autograph on the calipers? 
I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would be giving away parts without mention, as much as you grub for $$ around here.  Solicitation is like your biggest skill - you were trying to sell me this same stupid FE back in September, when I replaced my brake system! 


Complain all you want.  "Buyer Beware!"  "Buyer Beware!"  Whatever...   Pot calling the kettle a crook, if you ask me. 

[The Buddha]

That extra numbers were all prices I was going to drop ... you didn't hear anything right.
450 -50 if you dont want the carriers, -50 if you didn't want new seals, and I cant powdercoat legs that aren't split, and I had legs that have been coated and it will ahve to be extra and you're stuck with the new seal one ... come on man, your memory cant be this bad.

Whatever, I am not giving anything away free, but I also dont charge for things I dont do ...

Here is one more thing for you ... I recomended you part your bike when you didn't have a title ... OK not sink $$ and effort into it. Look in the post you made about the crash you had.

Sorry man, you didn't understand what I was saying. I have unit prices for everything. Headlight ears modded GS ears with grommets, fits like stock, $25 - included in a 450 FE. 04's need banana bars, 25 included in the 450 ... one of those 2 only cos fairing bike dont need ears.

Seriously you really aren't subtracting when you should and adding instead. I also wont split a fine FE, and you pay for a FE when you start the job, cos I cant have people say, yea they want it, and never show with $.

I will charge you for everything, but when you need X I dont sell you Y. You only buy what you need. You need float needles, I dont try to sell you a whole carb.

Yea I prolly tried to sell you FE in sept, I sometimes dont draw the line between advise and sales pitch. But that's all you got. Sorry your count of what I'd do with the FE was off. And I'd like ot see any one who would do Fork seals parts and labor for 50. Even forgetting the mystery magic parts. And sorry mystery magic parts are not in the calipers ... forks. I am not going to tell you, there is someone else involved in that and its his trade secret. All I can tell you is, It will really really extend your fork seal life ... better than new. And sorry you dont get this information, its not somethign I have found, it really involved someone else who gets to make a serious living doing these things in race cars. Sorry ... not you , not any one here and i have mentioned it in passing to people (2 if I remember and that's all you're getting from me on this)

BTW powdercoat - yes looks a little crappy ... if you had come to see it, I'd have shown you and I also told you as much.

Thanks for helping me solicit. Maybe it only looks that way cos of all the questions from people ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Sorry kiddo, I was charging you 450 for the whole deal with new seals and some parts that you have not even imagined of. Werase knows a little about that, ask him. If he remembers. I was going to charge you extra (the nickel and dime business) for powdercoating the legs.

Bullsh!t. 

You told me $450, and that you hadn't even touched the seals and bearings.  $50 for the seals, $50 for the gauge carrier crap, and extra for the welded stem.  And, yeah, extra for powdercoating... which would have been really freaking nice on $450 of USED parts. 

Forget Werase.  Why don't you tell ME what these mysterious, unimaginable parts were?  Your autograph on the calipers? 
I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would be giving away parts without mention, as much as you grub for $$ around here.  Solicitation is like your biggest skill - you were trying to sell me this same stupid FE back in September, when I replaced my brake system! 

Complain all you want.  "Buyer Beware!"  "Buyer Beware!"  Whatever...   Pot calling the kettle a crook, if you ask me. 

[The Buddha]

I was talking to cstilt before you, and please ask him what I was charging him for what.
Cool.
Buddha.

[wladziu]

Won't do you any good to question my memory or cognition. 







The only "discount" you said you'd give was if I wanted different forks:  the ones without rebound, and the ones without dual disks (the 88's you swear you didn't mention).

You wanted $300 for the '88's, $400 for the others, $450 for the good ones, $50 for seals, $50 for carrier bracket, and $100 for powdercoating.



You kept talking about discounts, but you never dropped below $450 unless I opted for "worthless" forks.  (You forgot that I cross-reference to your earlier posts.  Doesn't take a genius...) 
Also didn't take a genius to figure out how badly you want to get rid of those crappy forks... especially given the awkward pauses you put after your sales pitches.
And that no one else wants to buy then for the same reasons.


And that's how you lost my business, sounding like a cheap, desperate info-merccial salesman. 







And then you go and harrass someone I chose to buy from instead. 






Regardless, you told another guy on here that all that stuff is included (except coating).
Yet, you talk about screwing over past customers by dropping prices.
So are you doing them favors by charging more, or just being greedy? 

[wladziu]

Alright, let's subtract:

$25 for headlight ears?  Fixed mine for free...
$25 for banana bars?  I didn't need them...
$50 for gauge carrier bracket?  Fixed with $.02 of aluminum
$50 for seals? But, you're saying you won't change seals for less than $150... And, why are you selling forks that need new seals?
$50 less for different forks

That's $200 total.
$450 - $200 = $250

So, how much for Katana forks with dual disks and rebound? 
$450 or $250? 

And, don't say the extra is for labor.  You said labor would be free.  Want me to pull the quote?

I will charge you for everything, but when you need X I dont sell you Y. You only buy what you need. You need float needles, I dont try to sell you a whole carb.

Are you kidding me?  You do this all the time!  You're f*cking FAMOUS for it. 



I don't give a crap about mysterious super-duper fork-seal-saver treatment. 
But, why were you trying to charge me to replace the seals, if the secret is so good? 
More snake-oil salesmanship.








Dude, you can argue for weeks, but everyone here knows your style.  They're just too scared to say it, in case they need they need carb work or something out of your f*cking junkyard. 
They'd wise up and realize you aren't the only show in town, if you stopped peddling your junk every day.  That's why you're spending so much time arguing with me here. 

Personally, I've got nothing to gain or lose. 

[The Buddha]

Since you said - Won't do you any good to question my memory or cognition. 
I guess that leaves your integrity then.

And -

Sorry man, all of this is wrong. And I dont have the energy to quote you to refute every point.

1. No one has ever heard me mention anything without dual disks. So I dunno who you were talking to ... certainly not me.

2. No one has ever heard me mention anything without rebound. Again dunno who it was that you talked to. I dont even sell rear shocks that got no rebound.

3. I did say I'd sell you 96 and later for 350 didn't I - and if I didn't its cos that was locked by cstilt. Those you  may have misunderstood, do have rebound, they have non DOP calipers. Legs are fine calipers are not as good. Maybe you thought those didn't have rebound.

4. I had to cover whoever was in front of you. I am sorry people who have committed, have paid for things regardless of what it is they decide to do and are working on finding out what works and how for them are going to get priority. If we dont get a consensus I give them a refund and move on. Sorry cstilt was going to get what he wanted before you did.

5. I harassed werase only cos he posted in this thread about the forks he sold you. Very first post after mine.

6. People are scared to say it - really ... why are there no stores or shops that do bike work or whatever in america ... really.

7. And all of it is included for 450, and I have actually posted before that is it and sold it too. There have been some changes, like I used to have a stem with new bearings (which are a huge upgrade over the stock suzuki bearings but in many cases its not neccesary, so I have moved away form it unless I got bad bearings to start with.

8. 100 bucks for powdercoating are you on crack. I dont even believe I gave you a number for this, and really, you have no right to say anything, powdercoating is handed off to a different place, and I recently was quoted 60 for psyber_optix's wheel ... you're out of your mind.

9. Headlight ears - you didn't need em, so I wont charge you. You fixed it for free cos who ever did your FE did you a favor ... banana bars - not needed for 89-00, 50 for carrier bracket - I am yet to make it and your aluminum is a solid mount, you can do that even if I was doing your FE besides that bracket is a new design, I am yet to even get a working proto. Till last year I used to charge 50 bucks for a GS ear set cut and welded to a kat top triple. Again grommet mount. If you want them hard mounted, there is always the sheet of aluminum.

10. Seals on a fork is 150 bucks of which its prolly 50 or so in parts. No one will do it for less unless they were already in your debt. At 150 its still a loser if you took it to a real shop. I'd do it for 50 only because these forks are already apart, and I got them that way. You do realise that parts of forks dont sell for very much. I took em apart, 3-4 sets in fact, put all the good parts together and they need seals before they are useable. They are all 89-95, all identical bits, good was put in the set and bad was tossed out. If its all fit back together it would cost you 450.

11. 50 less for different forks - maybe this is how you remember the 96-98, also realise that I cannot split perfectly good forks and do seals for 50 bucks.

You've arrived at 250 finally but it does involve some impossiblities. Seals and different forks cant ... 1 sec ...

96-98 forks 350 (I quoted this to CStilt so I am not making up this and I also told you) carrier bracket -50, headlight ears -25, banana bars (though cstilt is getting these) -25. Its 250. Do the same with 89-95 forks it will be 400 instead of 350 but remember I didn't have one of those, and that was why I bought from joshr08 etc etc. WhenI did that I was going to sell that to cstilt for the cost I paid joshr08, much closer to the 250 than the 300. That was really why I bought it.

Labor would be free if you were working with me on it. Yes. I have often invited several people including average for various things, but I am not that well set up really to do a very efficient job on these things. However cal76 and mm75658 did come over do a carb and pipe job as well as some others have come with other things to work on. I am no where as nice as werase's setup though. Cramped, chaotic, out in the weather etc etc.

And this actually summarizes your lack of understanding of anythign mechanical.

I don't give a crap about mysterious super-duper fork-seal-saver treatment. 
But, why were you trying to charge me to replace the seals, if the secret is so good? 
More snake-oil salesmanship.

The secret isn't a substitue for fork seals. I have them do something to the forks when they are apart. The fork seals have to be replaced once you open it. The process can only be done to forks that are split. It makes fork seals last a lot longer than they will other wise.

After you skip all the extras you would still have a steering lock that works and the lock will be flush with the top face.
Look at these pics.
http://picasaweb.google.com/srinath.the.man/KatFEPics#

Look at the way the dash fits the triple. Look at what the headlight and the headlight ears look like, look at the grommets. That is what you are paying extra for.

I am sorry the machinist I use is actually cheaper to get the stem turned, threaded, and the boss cut out. He has a 4 jaw independent head chuck and a spindle carrier with bearings. He would take 10-15 mins to set up the job, but once its in, turn, thread, cut done in another 10-15. The ironic thing is the spacer method, goes like this. Set up, turn. Remove it. Set up the aluminum. Turn spacer 1. Cut. Turn spacer 2. Cut. It would cost more @ the machinist. Then I dont have to weld the thread boss back in ... and that really equals out.

However a hobby machinist does not have the capacity to thread. So they turn the stem. Then they turn spacers. If I had a lathe I'd do that too. I dont have either, and its break even either way for me.

You were talking about powdercoating this and that, why dont you ask who ever did your forks to powdercoat them.

You wanted new seals, why didn't you ask whoever did yours to give you a new seal job.

You were jerking me around way before you posted on this thread, and I was giving cstilt the higher priority so you weren't getting anywhere. So you decide to lash out where you really have no reason.

Cool.
Srinath.

[The Buddha]

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=41328.0

Going back to may 2008. OK. If you read that, it had new stem bearings, and I had welded top triple for guages. Where is your cross reference now.

So I wasn't calling it 450 + all the extra stuff, It was 450 way before you ever asked me for all of it included. The thing though, this FE could not have had anything left out. You're stuck with the GS ears on the kat triple, and the new bearings in the stem. Now I can omit or leave a lot of the original things and save $. Which when we spoke you started adding instead of subtracting. That was an 89-95 one, with rebound and twin disks. The pics should tell you.

Cool.
Srinath.

[wladziu]

And there we are.  The root of the matter.  My word against yours. 
You finally get around to it.  After trying to bash my reputation around, also.
Running out of excuses, hunh?  No more room left to run?  No more "spin" left?


1.  YOU'RE the one that stands to lose business.
2.  I have NOTHING to gain or lose in this argument.  No one likes me here, already, and I don't give a crap either way.
3.  I used to respect you, until I noticed your sneaky ways.
4.  Back up everything you've said, like I have.  Try it.   You've got nothing.  Just excuse after excuse after excuse.
     Insult my intelligence, my integrity, hell, insult my grammar.  That's all you've got.
     You back-track, throw pepper on the trail to throw off someone that's got you figured out, and basically weasel your way out of every
      argument on here.




Where's your right to question my grasp of mechanical concepts?

Crack open the water pump on the latest Cummins 4-cylinder.  I designed that.  I've got a patent pending on a new industrial engine hoist used in their robotic manufacturing process.  I helped TEACH Solidworks, the first freshman at my university to ever hold such a position in the engineering department.

I left mechanical engineering because I was BORED.  Not enough challenge.


What have you got, Buddha?
The fact that you've been working on motorcycles for up-teen years, yet you needed two people to TEACH you how to change a front end?
And a yard full of parts that you've scrounged because you can't find challenge in life? 




You design childish little parts and you clean carbs.  And you flood an internet forum so everyone thinks you're a genius and pays you respect.
You hold a mediocre ethical system that lets you find any possible loophole to wring a dollar out of somebody, when you're clever enough to hide it. 
It's cowardly, greedy, underhanded... serves you right that someone screwed you over, finally. 

[The Buddha]

Thanks man. Its too big to go in my sig, but I pulled my favorite into it. Bye now, have a nice life.

BTW this last post of your has nothing of substance except conjecture, name calling and your opinion. Hence I am walking away, you dont have any more valid points about this or that.
Yea, you must be bored with mechanical engineering, and must be designing water pumps and getting patents on things. Yes, that must be why you have a crashed GS you didn't get a title for the normal way and are nickeling and diming me about FE's (and its my damn FE, I sell it for what I please to whom I please) Yea. Its on the internet, so it must be true.

Cool.
Srinath.

Text in red added 1.53 pm EST.

[Grommett2k]

Even though it has been somewhat entertaining, and I went through some popcorn reading the posts, this thread should be locked and put to rest.

[Bluehaze]

i concur..

[jdw03n]

Aye, lock or farm it.... two well respected forum members only doing damage to their reps...

[The Buddha]

Guys, I dont want to touch it. You are free to ask any other mod to do it.
Cool.
Buddha.

[bubba zanetti]

I'll do it, it's becoming a bit tiresome.