Hydraulic clutch?

[Dr.Sparkie]

I just searched the forum, and now I'm hacking through some suzuki microfiche, but I wanted to know, is there a hydraulic clutch that would be compatible with the gs500 srocket cover? the shape of the little cover over the adjustments just looks too weird to me to be ONLY for a cable system... I'm betting that if i look hard enough I'll find a suzuki hydraulic that will plop (or screetch-crunch) right in there.

Any thoughts?

[the mole]

Why?

[Paulcet]

For shorty levers off of a GSXR maybe?

Eliminate adjustments for cable stretch probably?

Interesting, anyway.

[The Buddha]

Yea the SV1000 guys, the GSXR1100 guys of old etc etc all go cable from the hydraulic we got, and you're going hydraulic ?

BTW the cable has been the only one in that style cover AFAIK.
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[Dr.Sparkie]

 

as to why, i find my cable clutch has an extrodinary pull force (yes i do lube it), its a bit of a PITA to adjust, and as it warms up my contact point moves around. the three hydraulic clutches ive used have felt alot nicer, and i imagine thermal expansion wont knacker up the clutch feel as Im riding.

why do people switch out from hydraulic to cable though?

[The Buddha]

Hydraulic clutch does get severely affected by heat.
The feel is ... well there is none in hydraulic, so it expands and moves about and you get no feel. I also hate brake fluid and just overall prefer cable.
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[Dr.Sparkie]

I drank some brake fluid once (didnt swallow, lewinski style ) and i concur, I hate brake fluid as well. all im really looking for is consistent feel and an easy trigger, i dont need to count the plates in my clutch as they engage.

but if the hydro is affected by heat badly then i'll just suck it up.

[gsJack]

i find my cable clutch has an extrodinary pull force

Adjusting the push rod free play under that little cover will reduce lever effort.

[The Buddha]

I drank some brake fluid once (didnt swallow, lewinski style ) and i concur, I hate brake fluid as well. all im really looking for is consistent feel and an easy trigger, i dont need to count the plates in my clutch as they engage.

but if the hydro is affected by heat badly then i'll just suck it up.

The old GSXR air oil cooled bikes got hotter than a barbecue pit ... GS does not get anywhere near that hot. They would really do a number on the hydraulic fluid ... it would get worse as it got older too ...
SV1K had hydraulic, 650 had cable. They swap on the 1k, but of course SV 650 parts are plentiful and cheap ...
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[werase643]

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/192/4223/ITEM/Moose-Racing-Easy-Pull-Clutch-System.aspx


Moose Racing
Easy-Pull Clutch System
$36.95


    * Constructed of high-strength forged aluminum
    * Inner linkage increases leverage ratio and eases clutch pull

[KasbeKZ]

i hate to keep challenging people here, but hydraulic clutches should not change with heat if they are properly bled. that's why cars use them, because they are more predictable. it's the air that changes with heat, not the fluid. if there's a reason motorcycles would be different, i'd love to hear it. i'm not saying i'm the only one that knows anything here!

that being said, i say fix your cable clutch instead of messing with this idea. there's obviously something wrong with it.

[The Buddha]

Cars dont have the option of running a cable though those tight and many bends ... hydraulic can ...

Brake fluid has a very high temperature threshold. However as it takes in water with age it will start to get affected ...

Pure pure pure brake fluid will be almost un affected ... if you run DOT5 it will be better for longer ... but remember 5 already is not as good against heat as 3-4.
I would really not convert to fluid. In fact, the sought after mods all do the opposite.

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Buddha.

[gsJack]

If you have too much freeplay in the pushrod adjustment the lever inside the front sprocket cover has to swing too far before actuating the clutch changing it's angle and loosing half it's leverage.  I just corrected my clutch adjustment in all three places and the clutch effort was cut in half.  Lubeing the cable didn't help, gotta get it adjusted properly first:

http://gstwins.com/gsboard/index.php?topic=49424.msg559283#msg559283

[MikeNW]

I think cars /\ use hydraulic systems because of the difficulty of making a nice routing for the cable.  Whereas, a hydraulic line can bend easier.

I had a cable on my Honda Shadow, it would stretch but if you replaced it every couple of years, it worked well.  Also you would eliminate the possibility of it breaking somewhere in BF, Iowa some dark night.

Had hydraulic clutch on my Concours, it was always getting contaminated due to heat, I bled it twice a year.  Fortunately, it never failed, or else I would have to buy the master cylinder AND a slave. 

I would take the cable.  It is more user-friendly with fewer expensive parts. 

[Bridger]

Some cars do have cable operated clutches.  For example, a 91 Civic I used to have....  Worked great as long as the cable was adjusted correctly, and readjusted after clutch break in.