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Started by The Buddha, February 02, 2011, 02:28:55 PM

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yamahonkawazuki

Quote from: Toogoofy317 on February 06, 2011, 12:10:54 AM
Yeah, its great that America has created all of these medical miracles but typically those with money and insurance are the ones that benefit. I mean take a look at Yama's leg over in the Tard Farm. In a country like the good 'ole US of A that atrocity should not happen. One medication for my Crohn's disease is about $2,000 for one infusion. My Ranexa about $400 for a half month supply. The Duragesic patch another $350. The Multaq for my arrythmias $4.50 per pill!

Of course there are probably some out there that think if we can't afford the medication then we don't deserve to live survival of the fitest eh? But, if that were the case we would have to say good bye to Stephen Hawking right? I mean what does he have to contribute to our society. All he has is the use of a part of one finger.

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trumpetguy

I find it odd (and offensive) that most of those who think US government spending is out of control refuse to discuss the elephant in the room.  If you remove Social Security and Medicare from our budget (they're supposed to be trust fund items), we spend more than 50% on the military -- directly or indirectly.  We spend more on military than the next FIFTEEN countries COMBINED.  We spend that way because the corporations who buy our legislature want it that way.

You want to cut spending?  Let's start with where we are overspending in an absolutely ridiculous way.  Bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan now, and from Europe and Asia.  Defend our borders like the constitution says.  Our spending problems will go away in a hurry.
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The Buddha

Tell that to the tea party and all the other fools who think they can cut the defishit by cutting special education programs (like bright beginings in NC) which totally helped my son who has autism, and helped him not be a child who needs a lot of help. Yea a whole 4-5 million will be saved. OK so we're looking at 15 trillion. So we kill bright beginings 3 million times we should be good.

That is one reason why I consider the tea party a toothless snake. It looks like a snake, but once it tries to bite any one it will be obvious its just an oversized caterpillar.

I am a conservative, and sadly none of the 2 parties is conservative. Do I hate the liberals who say they are not conservatives more, or the conservatives who are not conservative more ... the latter cos they are liars. The Tea party is the worst of the worst.

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jserio

It really does upset me to hear them talk about needing to cut the spending. Mainly because one of the first things they talk about cutting is education funding, and then in the same breathe turn around and say that our education is lacking in America and is so far behind everyone else in the world. WTF?
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The Buddha

In a twisted way I agree ... you see there should be no federal loan BS, no grants of any kind, no nothing, heck schools shouldn't even be run by govt. There should be a board of education, they should do EOG testing every year or other year, but they should fund schools via fees from students. The end result will be ... a proper education system where the good survive and the bad die.
Hospitals - same thing.
Colleges - same thing.

See college costs are rising ... and they are rising cos colleges charge a lot of $ for worthless crap cos they got a captive customer base, one that is young, impressionable and has credit ... Copy the asian system. Every thing is private, everything is run to make a profit, however if the value doesn't get to the consumer the profit quickly turns into a loss and it quickly unravels. Of course they also dont build new crap every other year and take on huge debt to finance, and they dont put in millions into sports and take that from the fees, they also dont have huge unweildy bureaucracies sucking the value out of everything.

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nikfleisch

god you are an idiot, 99 percent of people in the tea party agree that defense needs to be cut, and fyi, YOU idiot in 2010 defence accounted for a mere 19% compared to the whopping
Social Security: 23%
Medicare: 12%
Medicaid: 7%


so before you continue to talk, know what the hell you're talking about.
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XealotX

Oh Lord, what has the world come to now that I'm about to defend The Buddha...

Idiot is a bit much. The Buddha calling himself a conservative is certainly a stretch but there is no need sink to name calling. Also, you'll have to post a link to the poll siting 99% of self proclaimed tea party members being for defense cuts. I suspect we'll be waiting on that link for some time.
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trumpetguy

Here is a link defending my numbers (read the explanation and RE-read my post):
http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

OVER 50% of non-trust fund spending is on military (current or past military and debt related to military spending AND hidden military spending channeled through other budgets).  Read and learn.

Another statistic -- we spend SEVEN times as much as the next most militaristic nation (China).

I anxiously anticipate a link defending your bogus numbers about the (non-existent) tea party, Nikfleisch. (insert sound of crickets here)
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nikfleisch

I apoiligize I must have missed the part about taking out medicare and social security, but even if we still do it's not over 50 percent if its only 19% and you take out the 33% as of 2006 for social programs thats not over 50. That charts statistics are wrong, But i do agree is needs to be cut, the whole damn government needs to be cut, I consider myself a conservative libertarian.
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yamahonkawazuki

Quote from: trumpetguy on February 08, 2011, 08:56:06 PM
Here is a link defending my numbers (read the explanation and RE-read my post):
http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

OVER 50% of non-trust fund spending is on military (current or past military and debt related to military spending AND hidden military spending channeled through other budgets).  Read and learn.

Another statistic -- we spend SEVEN times as much as the next most militaristic nation (China).

I anxiously anticipate a link defending your bogus numbers about the (non-existent) tea party, Nikfleisch. (insert sound of crickets here)
Fair enough  ill see the mil cutting, we tried this before, but we failed in 1 apsect. ask those that had to go on requisition missions about what was missing. we have enough parts on standby that IF needed somewhere, they are avail. tehn cut budget , then also unemployment will skyrocket., so well have to make allowances for that. to me, the tea pary ORIGINALLY. was against govt waste. where theyve gone since, PLEASE let me know. left wastes, right wastes, centre wastes. sadly we all do. we ALL need ot waste as little as possible, then wed NOT have any problems whatsoever. but nobody seems to get this.. clean out teh UNNECCESSARY pork barrel spending, and wed have alot of this taken care of. notice i didnt say KILL it OFF. i said clean up/out the UNNECCESARY
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The Buddha

If I am not fiscally conservative I dont know who else is - I dont know any one else who is. Seriously, the only debt I ever have incurred - ever - OK not ever, but outside of the 94-98 time frame when I had a car loan, is my house. I took a 15 yr, and we're 8 yrs in, and it would be paid off in another 2.
I also dont make revolving payments on anything (especially credit cards) and never have been hit with any fees on anything, late payments or anything.

OK tightwad - fine and proud of it. However I rarely am penny wise, pound foolish.

K so nikfleisch - cutting military is the third rail of politics for a democrat, and for a republican (which the tea party is full of) its suicide. And I know of not 1 situation where I have heard of anything remotely like it from any tea partier. I've heard it from Ron Paul but he's not tea party - yet. Rand Paul is, but Ron Paul isn't is he ? If he is, finally I would respect the tea party for something.

The 4 things you mentioned in your numbers total 60% right now and that doesn't even include retiring baby boomers and returning veterans. That number would easily shoot up to 90% in a few years. No one has any intention of stopping or even slowing it down. The other 10% is what goes to schools etc which are likely to keep the future of the rest of the country from going down the crapper. The tea party/republicans want to cut transit projects, education and govt services for poor etc. That put together will not turn any real numbers into the black for now, and will increase the outflow in future.

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The Buddha

One other thing to consider -

Of all the major economies in the world that are not lucky enough to have huge valuable resource exports just about the least subsidised is the US. Ok well, maybe not, it may be India but india is still a 3rd world country where there is serious corruption which in turn indirectly is a subsidy to the industry which has bought politicians. I'd say the US is the country which has the smallest subsidy to industry and all of our competetion (germany, england, france, china, japan etc) all heavily subsidize theirs. I dont even think shrinking that footprint is wise. The govt should not be made smaller, it likely needs to be made smarter. It needs provide better subsidies, kill the un productive ones and provide a better safety net.

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madjak30

Quote from: The Buddha on February 09, 2011, 07:36:27 AM
I dont even think shrinking that footprint is wise. The govt should not be made smaller, it likely needs to be made smarter. It needs provide better subsidies, kill the un productive ones and provide a better safety net.

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Buddha.
Okay, now that is stating the obvious... ;)...but who is going to be the one to judge which are unproductive and what is a better subsidy...each elected official has their own agenda on what is needed and what can be cut...

You have to remember, Buddha, if everyone was as fiscally responsible as you our whole economy would implode...our economy is based on consuming product...debt servicing is what keeps us afloat...if we went back to the 40's and 50's mentality of "if you don't have the cash, you don't get it" spending would all but stop...just the essentials would be continued...groceries, fuel, utilities, etc...new car sales would stop, bikes would dissapear from North America (only for the rich...they are toys after all)...

But no fear!!  I am doing my part...net worth is still positive, but just barely...so government spending is also a good thing, but like you said, they just need to get smarter with the money...just not sure who is providing the "smarter" part!!

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The Buddha

Ya, you're right. What works for individuals does the opposite for the economy as a whole.
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The Buddha

Oh, also remember our country's debt is held by individuals, both foreign and domestic.
The right way to have stimulated the economy would have been to let AIG, Goldman Sachs, and any one else who needed a bail out fail. Gone, bankruptcy. Chapter 7, 11, 13, 22, whatever - dead.
Then buy their assets @ fire sale prices and resurrect only the sensible aspects of the business.
Instead of the bailout adding 2-3 trillion to the debt, they would have taken 2-3 trillion off and had more effective use of the 2-3 trillion spent.
Instead they preferred to give the $ to goldman sachs via the AIG bail out, and ended up with no benifit and a 2 trillion price tag.

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yamahonkawazuki

Quote from: trumpetguy on February 08, 2011, 07:44:21 AM
I find it odd (and offensive) that most of those who think US government spending is out of control refuse to discuss the elephant in the room.  If you remove Social Security and Medicare from our budget (they're supposed to be trust fund items), we spend more than 50% on the military -- directly or indirectly.  We spend more on military than the next FIFTEEN countries COMBINED.  We spend that way because the corporations who buy our legislature want it that way.

You want to cut spending?  Let's start with where we are overspending in an absolutely ridiculous way.  Bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan now, and from Europe and Asia.  Defend our borders like the constitution says.  Our spending problems will go away in a hurry.
As well as the bogus earmarks on all bills that would cut spending as well tg ;)
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Vielen dank Patrick. Vielen dank
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neither one of us will be happy"- Alan Silverman MD

The Buddha

Well the egypt protests now make me sad. It succeded, and in 18 days, if it had been going on for longer and they gathered steam, there is some chance it may occour here.
Only thing is what would we unite against. Even on gstwin we cant get any number of people to agree on much. Oh yea except that the crap pockets suck, and suzuki should have made a more powerful GS (I'm not so sure about that second one).

1/2 the people would want the new health care law, 1/2 would want it to go away.
Taxes will be universally hated, however atleast some people work for the govt. So they could lose their job, and they would say they do an important job. Cant disagree with that. I cant see taxes going away either, it will make for a disaster ... imagine building your own roads and running water and electricity yourself to your house.
1/2 the people would want illegal immigration reform. The other 1/2 wants illegals to leave cos they committed a crime by  sneaking in.
On wall street and other ceo's making out like bandits - well the horse has bolted and no sense protesting against them besides they are all in 100 different cities.

Oh yea, Michelle Bachman is hottt hot. Move over Sarah Palin, we have a better rhetoric spewing bobble head on the scene. Maybe you can be her VP running mate.

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XealotX

Hmmmm...all politics aside...






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trumpetguy

There are plenty of hot women out there with IQs higher than a can of tomato soup.
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yamahonkawazuki

Quote from: trumpetguy on February 12, 2011, 08:19:29 AM
There are plenty of hot women out there with IQs higher than a can of tomato soup.
and to beat all, many are non liberals as well . idk. i dont think id want a woman, that some would consider hot. main reason is because id be a fightign man. ehh. i think ill remain celibate til the day i die anyways. tired of getting lied to. and with health problems getting more dominant in my life recently. ( other day worst lol :(. ) ill just stay single :angel:
Jan 14 2010 0310 I miss you mom
Vielen dank Patrick. Vielen dank
".
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"if you come in with the bottom of your cast black,
neither one of us will be happy"- Alan Silverman MD

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